Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[curiouskarmadog]

(petting MoS's ego)..there there little guy, it is ok..shhhhh....want a cookie? Yeah there you go, you are a great mod...shhhh....

[Twomz]

I BELIEVE IN YOU MOS!!!

[Mastermind of Sin]

[Mastermind of Sin]

*bump*

[the silent speaker]

Player list:
UltimaAvalon
ZONEACE
jediknight
KaleiÐoscøpe
Sir Tornado
armlx (replacing somestrangeflea)
stark
Kison (replacing FaerieLord)
mneme
Belgarion
Flameaxe (replacing Battle Mage)
curiouskarmadog (replacing mole)
Thyroidectomy
The Fonz (replacing Oman (replacing Bamboomancer))
Twomz
Nocmen

Players we shouls not under any circumstances be lynching any time soon:

Belgarion
CKD
Jediknight
mneme
Nocmen
Sir Tornado
the silent speaker
Twomz

People who should be among the first to go:

armlx
Flameaxe
Kison

People with some good reason to suspect, and possible connections, but some demonstrated role power (so should not be the first to go, but may warrant a second look once we know a few more scum):

Fonz
Shanba
Thyroid

The rest:

stark
Ultima
ZONEACE

Of the latter group, the alphabetical order matches how I sort them; stark I have some bad vibes on but am more-or-less neutral, Ultima I am neutral-to-maybe-very-slightly-favorable, and ZONEACE seems to have been a scum target and I am favorable on him.

Of the "confirmed-but" group, I rate Shanba the highest, partly because of some of his earlier interactions and partly because I have been liking Fonz a lot better than I liked Oman. (Also, Bamboo's posts in retrospect were clearly angling for QFT's, so that supports his story.) It is worth noting, however, that since we appear to have only the one killing group (plus the dead SK), and the town has some fair power including (now) an infinite doctor loop, the scum group should be pretty large and have some powers of their own to keep the game from being completely broken. If it only includes two of the "lynch these first" group, then it almost certainly includes one of "the rest" or the "confirmed-but" and not inconceivably two -- most likely in that case one from each, depending on the odd man out of door number 2.

If we can pull into an endgame with no one but the "can't touch this" group, then we will be in a very strong position. All of these are players confirmed or morally certain to be town, by either investigation, demonstrated pro-town use of role, or sound scumhunting with no red flags.

[the silent speaker]

I

thought

I had missed someone --Kaleidosope is on the "can't touch this" list.

[Kison]

Your list is 9 VS 8, suggesting good odds. I need to formulate a list of actual roleclaims linking to the actual post where they were made. This is part of why I'm struggling to catch up with this game.

I don't think The Fonz is a good prospect after he demonstrated his multivoting. He could very well be scum with that ability, but there are better prospects as you say(myself included for the time being).

Don't think Shanba's a good prospect, either. Here's why :

If the majority buys the tickets, all scum actions will be blocked the next night. I don't know if this includes the mafiakill.

You said the tickets will block all scum abilities. Was it stated as such? Reason I ask : if you flip town and we realize you're telling the truth, then whatever force is resurrecting these corpses can't be scum driven.

I'm tempted to vote Flameaxe, but he's being replaced apparently.

[Shanba]

What does that have to do with me?

[Kison]

Ignore that. I'm getting you confused with the resurrections.

[armlx]

Just wondering TSS, but where did mneme claim or do something to go on the don't lynch list. Same with yourself.

As for jedi, the off chance of him being some kind of CL has been discussed, but frankly I'm willing to conceed that we lose to him if he is unless theres a major reason to think he is.

[Shanba]

Hey TSS - have you seen anything that could be construed as independent thought from stark? Also, could you look at stark's play yesterday on the Jdodge wagon?

[Thyroidectomy]

working on it

[armlx]

Working on what?

TSS hasn't posted since his last one here. Waiting his response to the various questions.

[the silent speaker]

Something I noticed in my post that needs to be clarified: in the paragraph where I said, "Of the "confirmed-but" group, I rate Shanba the highest, partly because of some of his earlier interactions and partly because I have been liking Fonz a lot better than I liked Oman," I meant that I rate Shanba the highest level of

scumminess

-- i.e. I feel

worst

about him, then Fonz (who has been goin down in scumminess lately) and then Thyroid.

Hey TSS - have you seen anything that could be construed as independent thought from stark? Also, could you look at stark's play yesterday on the Jdodge wagon?

I noted without great approval how he was all against lynching JDodge until it came time to cast the hammering votes, which struck me as possible distancing; however, I don't have a strong read on stark. With armlx and Flameaxe and Kison ahead of himfor certain, stark's not my topmost priority this second, but when the wheel turns to his name, I'll have better arguments for his placement than "lynch them all and the mod will know his own".

How important is it for me and my buddies to kill you and mneme? I can't find your claims.

That's an excellent question. I'm glad you asked.

[The Fonz]

TSS- could you give a one-line reason for why each of your players is in the category they are?

[armlx]

How important is it for me and my buddies to kill you and mneme? I can't find your claims.

That's an excellent question. I'm glad you asked.

Your attempts to slander me fair. See The Fonz's post.

[armlx]

Your attempts to slander me

fair

. See The Fonz's post.

Err, fail, like my spelling.

[Shanba]

I noted without great approval how he was all against lynching JDodge until it came time to cast the hammering votes, which struck me as possible distancing; however, I don't have a strong read on stark.

Do you not find this at all interesting? He was against lynching a scumbag until the hammer, at which point he asks permission from the town to hammer. He combines concern with his own image with a completely passive role on the Jdodge wagon and a late attempt at bussing. Besides which, his play has hardly been stellar all game - his role on the early thyroid wagon is just about the only time he sinks his teeth into doing any thinking for himself. He follows me on to Oman after one PBPA, he follows the crowd on the Nocmen wagon, the only wagon he doesn't really follow the crowd on is the Jdodge one, on which he restricts himself to making passing comments and casual defences of Jdodge before suddenly jumping on and hammering.

[Mastermind of Sin]

PBuG replaces Flameaxe and SSF352 replaces UltimaAvalon. Please welcome them to the game.

[Twomz]

Welcome to the game!

[Nocmen]

meep

[Kison]

Nocmen.

Also, welcome. Been a while, PBuG.

[mneme]

Hmm. Shanba, you may have a point about stark.

[the silent speaker]

Do you not find this at all interesting?

Um, he

is

about fourth or fifth out of eighteen on my ranking, and first or second of the six not on The List of obvtown or obvscum. I repeat: I'm not that interested in going after him

yet

, because I have juicier targets in my sights, but I wouldn't say I find him uninteresting.

Fonz, I have an offer to make you. I will QFT-spam you if you agree not to use those extra votes unless the following conditions are met:

1. The player for whom you intend to vote-- henceforth That Guy -- is not on The List of obvtown.
2. A player who is on The List is voting That Guy or has asked you to vote for That Guy.

These terms don't require you to use your extra votes, and you remain at discretion to decline to do as a List player asks, and you can even cast your first vote on conscience; but any extra vote you do cast must conform to these terms.

Acceptance, and compliance, will be construed as acceptance of an analogous offer for all future days (The List may be longer if more people are added) so long as all of the following players live: Sir Tornado, The Fonz, the silent speaker, Twomz.

Do you accept?

[armlx]

TSS, answer the questions you were asked.