Designer Mafia 2007 - Game Over, Final Scene Posted!

[The Fonz]

I'll note that Oman's role is more or less broken as mafia (it lets the mafia win from 5/2 town/mafia if QFT-spamming works and the town doesn't have double voters or night kills!).

Just a quick point- the multivote stops working at all when there are five or fewer players left living.

Is it per QFT or per different player QFTing? (ie, does spamming work?)

Per QFT. Or rather, I think per post containing a quote of me, and a QFT. QFT spamming does work, since I think half of my six QFTs yesterday were by Belgarion. If only one per player counted, I'd only have two votes.

But yes, if it stops working given 5 living players, as a mafia role, it lets the mafia potentially control the vote given 3 living mafia (lets them win an 11/3 going into night, assuming they can spam), but not given 2 living mafia and no extra kills.

Well, for starters, it isn't a mafia role. And i really don't think it's likely there's a scumgroup with three members, though there may well be three or more living antitown roles.

Why would I do that? I'm not Oman, and being able to think like him is not an ability I'm particularly keen on acquiring.

True. Can you give your own opinion on, say, Kali?[/quote]

Will do. Gimme a little while.

[the silent speaker]

Flameaxe's last post: March 24
Flameaxe's last post of substance: January 18 (using a friendly definition of "substance")
Flamaxe's first post of substance: January 13 (again using a generous definition of "substance," but I'm just that nice a guy)

Plus he's the top of my scum list.

I say the hell with it, let's just kill him.

[armlx]

I think a replacement is more appropriate then a lynch there, unless you believe his predecessor did scummy things too.

[The Fonz]

His predecessor was Battle Mage...

[armlx]

Your point?

[armlx]

EBWODP: Or are we applying Stoofer's 5th Law here?

[curiouskarmadog]

Nocmen, did you ever claim what your power did?..do we know..I thought that we did, but cant find that information.

Fonz, why the vote on armix....

and your thoughts, is it possible for the same alignment to have two multi-voters?

kscope, reason for the vote?

[Nocmen]

Nocmen, did you ever claim what your power did?..do we know..I thought that we did, but cant find that information.

Fonz, why the vote on armix....

and your thoughts, is it possible for the same alignment to have two multi-voters?

kscope, reason for the vote?

Well, being that I'm pretty much screwed right now and I'm unsure of my conidition once this day is over, jediknight (IIRC) went and revealed that I had something much like the role he created. Which I do have, it is a night ability that can either be a Cop or be a Vig. Once per night. Right now I've tryed to investigate Kaliedoscope on Night 1, but I did not get any result. I got an innocent on Belgarion Night 2.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Finals week, kinda busy. Need something? PM me and I'll either take care of it or forward it to IH.

[armlx]

Belg being innocent makes an interesting scenario. I think no one should QFT Fonz any more unless we would lose under the assumption he was town and we didn't give him multiple votes. With that restriction I'm not 100% sure that Fonz is town.

[the silent speaker]

Oman certainly did plenty to suspect him, but some of that is association with other scummy players. We can afford to keep him around while we poke at those, and if the linkages continue to turn up black for him, take him out then. There are enough players who are confirmed pro-town or moral certainties or best given benefit of the doubt that we can afford to take our time with Fonz and let him provide his own self-hanging rope if necessary.

I second the request for information on why Fonz chose to vote armlx.

And i really don't think it's likely there's a scumgroup with three members, though there may well be three or more living antitown roles.

Elaborate plz? Especially since balancing would have been done at the start of the game...

In conclusion, Flameaxe must die. Why make the mod go to the trouble of finding yet another replacement when the role has already been replaced once and he's probably scum anyway? Hell, maybe the whole reason for so few kills is Flameaxe and others like him. Bump 'im off, I say.

[armlx]

Replacement > just killing people.

[Nocmen]

Belg being innocent makes an interesting scenario. I think no one should QFT Fonz any more unless we would lose under the assumption he was town and we didn't give him multiple votes. With that restriction I'm not 100% sure that Fonz is town.

That doesn't really mean much. It was one result, with the way my character is flavored as a coward or something I wouldn't be surprised if I wasn't sane. That's why I'm trying to get more results. Though I may think about firing off a shot at someone tonight, as I'm not sure if I will make it through the night.

[Nocmen]

EBWOP: I didn't realize how much Flameaxe hasn't posted in this game. Last one was March 24th, and I'm not sure if the mod(s) is looking for replacements or not.

[the silent speaker]

Replacement > just killing people.

Not in Flameaxe's case. Any why are

you

so urgent on seeing him replaced? He your scum buddy?

[armlx]

Why are you so intent on lynching someone before they have a chance to claim?

[the silent speaker]

He's had four months to post. It's been a month since he even posted non-content. How much more time does he need?

[armlx]

If he hasn't posted in that long, thats a mod issue, not a player one.

[the silent speaker]

Yes. And the mod should resolve it with a modkill. Quicker, neater, doesn't put a replacement in an impossible condition, and it's helpful for more of the players.

[armlx]

I hardly see this as an impossible situation.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why are you so intent on lynching someone before they have a chance to claim?

good point.

TSS, you didnt answer Armix's question, why do you want to lynch him before he can claim?

[Mastermind of Sin]

I'll be doing an activity check on Tuesday and looking for any replacements for people that don't respond.

[jediknight]

sorry for my absence.

Can anyone tell me why I wouldn't be getting email updates when someone posts a new reply on this thread? I used to get them. Is it broken?

There have been a score of replacements in this game. I have no clue who has said what and don't really have time for a 67 page reread. Let's see what MoS comes up with in his checks and go from there I guess.

[The Fonz]

OK, My take on Kalei:

Day one, bandwagons a lot, doesn't really say anything. Par for the course for Scope.

Due to scope having created the Grim role, JDodge killing said role, and Scope pointing this out, it's hugely unlikely that Scope is scum with JDodge, since he would presumably have warned him, or at least, not brought it up himself.

Then he votes CKD. Hmmm.

Schis' interactions with Scope, to me, do not look particularly like bussing (also, see my meta of disliking people who think 'bus' as soon as a scum is lynched).

I've got him as non-groupscum for now, unless it becomes clear we have multiple groups.

Your point?

My point is saying 'unless you think his predecessor did scummy things' is somewhat redundant when said predecessor is BM, who always does scummy things.

Fonz, why the vote on armix....

and your thoughts, is it possible for the same alignment to have two multi-voters?

Well, I don't see two multivoters. I see what is in effect a mason pair under the control of a single player, and one player that has a multivote in specific circumstances. I also see the existence of a kingmaker, that renders multiple votes ineffective on the day (s)? it's used. When you add in whatever powers scum might have, sure, it's totally possible.

AS for Armlx: SSF wasn't on the Schiz wagon, attacked Nocmen who is fairly likely town, attacks Nocmen and Thyroid with fairly bad arguments (the first worst than the second, though note how he attacks Thyroid for promoting his tickets after having bought one himself) and subtly defends JDodge.

[Sir Tornado]

Due to scope having created the Grim role, JDodge killing said role, and Scope pointing this out, it's hugely unlikely that Scope is scum with JDodge, since he would presumably have warned him, or at least, not brought it up himself.

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