Open 65 - Mini Love (Over!) before 578

[dahill1]

alright, Korts' vote on me to "see the reactions of the town" only confirms my suspicions of him
1) what did you think the town would do/say?
2) was it really just the town in general? there must have been someone specific that you wanted to see.
3) you say you voted for me to get reactions. why did you vote me then? did you think voting me would provoke the most reactions? if you wanted reactions, do you think voting for someone else would get them? if so, why didn't you?

[silence]

You ought to focus exclusively on lynching scum. If you're right and Jex is a treacherous lover, her lover will figure it out before you do.

Why would this be so? The lover has no magic power anyway

Anyway, I don't understand why ABR sees Jex as scummy (and even less, how does he deduce that she is more likely to be the treacherous lover than the regular goon?)

[eldarad]

You ought to focus exclusively on lynching scum. If you're right and Jex is a treacherous lover, her lover will figure it out before you do.

Why would this be so? The lover has no magic power anyway

OK. Let's assume Jex is the treacherous lover, and someone else - we'll call him Mr A - is her lover.
1) Mr A knows for certain that Jex is his lover
2) Mr A can night-talk with Jex
3) If Mr A believes Jex is scum, then he knows that she must be the treacherous lover, rather than a goon.

The vanilla townies and the doc (and the other 2 lovers) don't know any of those 3 things.

[Korts]

alright, Korts' vote on me to "see the reactions of the town" only confirms my suspicions of him
1) what did you think the town would do/say?
2) was it really just the town in general? there must have been someone specific that you wanted to see.
3) you say you voted for me to get reactions. why did you vote me then? did you think voting me would provoke the most reactions? if you wanted reactions, do you think voting for someone else would get them? if so, why didn't you?

Alright.

1) I was trying to see who else jumped on a wagon with such a weak case.
2)someone specific: anyone who would accept semi-bullshit reasons or come up with bullshit to vote you.
3)I voted you because I didn't think you lynchworthy based on the small case against you, and I wanted to see who would be eager to jump on. I thought the validity of the case on you (parts of it fully valid, some parts less so) was enough to warrant impatient scum to jump on, and not yet such a strong case for town to hammer.

Vote: Sethaniel

[eldarad]

What about ABR's jump onto the dahill wagon? Was that scummy to you?
Moreso than Seth's?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm a doctor. Talking about me serves nothing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about ABR's jump onto the dahill wagon? Was that scummy to you?
Moreso than Seth's?

However you raise a valid point, bringing up a possible double standard of sorts.

[Korts]

Eldarad, was your question directed at me, or at dahill?

[Albert B. Rampage]

To you Korts.

Guys. Jex is scum. Lynch her now.

[dahill1]

alright, Korts' vote on me to "see the reactions of the town" only confirms my suspicions of him
1) what did you think the town would do/say?
2) was it really just the town in general? there must have been someone specific that you wanted to see.
3) you say you voted for me to get reactions. why did you vote me then? did you think voting me would provoke the most reactions? if you wanted reactions, do you think voting for someone else would get them? if so, why didn't you?

Alright.

1) I was trying to see who else jumped on a wagon with such a weak case.
2)someone specific: anyone who would accept semi-bullshit reasons or come up with bullshit to vote you.
3)I voted you because I didn't think you lynchworthy based on the small case against you, and I wanted to see who would be eager to jump on. I thought the validity of the case on you (parts of it fully valid, some parts less so) was enough to warrant impatient scum to jump on, and not yet such a strong case for town to hammer.

Vote: Sethaniel

i know you said you were trying a gambit
and no offense, but it seems like your reason to vote for me was a bullshit reason

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yeah, he had a bad reason to vote you. So did I, and this proves that town can do such things. I don't see it as inherently scummy.

[kravhen]

ABR is nasty.
First claiming doc on day 1, then lists yoshi as scum, which he was.
Now he magically lists Jex as not only scum, but TREACHEROUS LOVER SCUM??

I'm not sure whether ABR crossed the line between silly and illogical, if there is even such a line for him. He also lived thru night 1 as a doc... I know that's kinda WIFOM but still... I would have voted ABR by now if it wasn't for one little fact that saves him out of my scum list for now: I really doubt if he was scum, that he would bus TWO teammates.

[dahill1]

I really doubt if he was scum, that he would bus TWO teammates.

this is WIFOM too. just saying

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really doubt if he was scum, that he would bus TWO teammates.

this is WIFOM too. just saying

Why are you still voting Korts ? That doesn't make much sense.

[dahill1]

I really doubt if he was scum, that he would bus TWO teammates.

this is WIFOM too. just saying

Why are you still voting Korts ? That doesn't make much sense.

i think he's scum

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's just petty OMGUS.

[dahill1]

That's just petty OMGUS.

really? i'm pretty sure i was voting for him before he voted for me

[Albert B. Rampage]

You voted him based on an empty case and now you're sitting on it because he voted for you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK. Let's assume Jex is the treacherous lover, and someone else - we'll call him Mr A - is her lover.
1) Mr A knows for certain that Jex is his lover
2) Mr A can night-talk with Jex
3) If Mr A believes Jex is scum, then he knows that she must be the treacherous lover, rather than a goon.

The vanilla townies and the doc (and the other 2 lovers) don't know any of those 3 things.

It has no impact on whether or not the person is scum. Being a lover and being able to night-talk doesn't make you a better scumhunter.

[Sethaniel]

unvote

1) I was trying to see who else jumped on a wagon with such a weak case.
2)someone specific: anyone who would accept semi-bullshit reasons or come up with bullshit to vote you.
3)I voted you because I didn't think you lynchworthy based on the small case against you, and I wanted to see who would be eager to jump on. I thought the validity of the case on you (parts of it fully valid, some parts less so) was enough to warrant impatient scum to jump on, and not yet such a strong case for town to hammer.

Vote: Sethaniel

Wait a minute! I voted for dahill before Korts. Korts's vote put dahill at L-2, in fact. The only person who jumped on the dahill wagon

after

Korts was ABR.

Korts pushes a Sethwagon, then abruptly switches to dahill, first with no reason, then giving as his reason as he didn't think he could get enough support for a Seth lynch. Then, when he gets pressured for switching his vote, he basically repeats Jex's reasoning from post 296, the difference being that Jex was the one who started the wagon, not the fourth person to jump on it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Anything that you find suspicious from Korts is invalid if it also applies to me. I am the living proof that a townie could want dahill to claim for his atrocious beliefs and to attack Sethaniel for scummy play.

[eldarad]

Anything that you find suspicious from Korts is invalid if it also applies to me. I am the living proof that a townie could want dahill to claim for his atrocious beliefs and to attack Sethaniel for scummy play.

Huh.
You'll only be proof once you're dead...

vote Korts

[Korts]

Hey, I can see where you wouldn't believe my explanation, but Seth: if I stated my reasons for the switch when I switched, you think the gambit would've had any remote chance of working?

Also, how many votes am I at? If it comes to it, I'm willing to self-hammer.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you fucking stupid, Korts ? Self-hammering is just low, unhelpful and spiteful.

You noobs need to vote Jex.

[kravhen]

I've self-hammered once thinking it was a cool and "die in honor" thing. What was that japanese term for honorful suicide?
Anyway.
It's not cool. You won't become a role model for emo kids everywhere and you won't have a cameo in an anime show