Open 65 - Mini Love (Over!) before 578

[Sethaniel]

There's a difference between "discussing NKs is a scumtell" and "trying to use NKs to prove protown status is a scumtell."

[eldarad]

Flameaxe, what do you think?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Vote Sethaniel.....IF YOU SUMELLLLL WHAT THE RAMP IS COOKIN'

[ThAdmiral]

Vote Count:

Sethaniel - 3

(Korts, Babygirl, ABR)

Korts - 1

(Elderad)

Not Voting -

(Everyone else)

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Finding replacement for Flameaxe.

[Jex]

Role PMs

You are a member of the Mafia with XXXXXXXX. You may talk with your partner at night. Have one person from the group PM me the name of the player on behalf of the mafia. The named player will be killed. You win when the mafia equals at least half of the town.

You are a Townie. You have no nightchoice. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

You are a Cop. Each night, you may PM me the name of a player. If that player is alive, I will tell you if that player is Mafia or Not-mafia. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

You are a Doctor. Each night, you may PM me the name of another player. That player will be protected from a single kill effect that night.You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

You are a Roleblocker. Each night, you may PM me the name of a player. That player will be treated as having not made a nightchoice that night. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

[Jex]

Ack! I totally just posted that in the wrong game...you can delete it

[Jex]

Sorry for my long hiatus there (other than the random wrong post...sorry). Midterms this week so I've been studying instead of mafia-ing.

I really don't like Sethaniel bringing up the WIFOM argument of "why would I kill farside?" Why would anyone kill him? Who knows. It doesn't prove anything and just makes me think you are scum.

I would like to hear more from Flameaxe, babygirl, and silence in regards to what they think about things since they have been extremely quiet through the whole game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

A vote would be helpful to see where everyone stands.

[dahill1]

i believe a korts lynch will give us the most information based on his alignment and how it goes with possible connections, defending/attacking other player
my main points against korts are that he seemed to be a bit too eager for the Seth lynch D2. he even later admitted that setting up a D2 wagon would not be beneficial to the town..
also i agree with elderad about ABR seemingly losing interest in Seth, then returning to him is strange
i admit Seth is looking scummy and i'm considering him as a possible D3 lynch, depending on what happens today.
as for babygirl, this seems to be how she plays in all of her games, from what i have read. but i still would appreciate more feedback from her.

vote Korts

[Korts]

i believe a korts lynch will give us the most information based on his alignment and how it goes with possible connections, defending/attacking other player

I don't think that's the correct way to hunt scum, lynching someone who, I gather from this post, you judge to have a 50% chance of being scum, and an equal chance at being town. Also, my possible connections? I attacked Yoshi and Seth. But my turning up town won't prove Seth's guilt. My suspicions don't have solid proof. I'm not defending him, just pointing out holes in logic.

my main points against korts are that he seemed to be a bit too eager for the Seth lynch D2. he even later admitted that setting up a D2 wagon would not be beneficial to the town..

I'm not any more eager for his lynch than I was for Yoshi's. I have a fair suspicion that he's scum, and since I didn't see any better place to start from at the start of D2, I voted for him. Also, I admitted that setting up a D2 wagon wouldn't be beneficial for town, but I added that it wouldn't be beneficial for scum, either, therefore it is a null tell. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

also i agree with elderad about ABR seemingly losing interest in Seth, then returning to him is strange

Strange? Maybe. Scummier than Seth? Nooooo.

i admit Seth is looking scummy and i'm considering him as a possible D3 lynch, depending on what happens today.

You admit that Seth's scummy, therefore you will consider voting him

tomorrow?

Clarify this, please. You haven't expressed more than light suspicion of me, and you call Seth scummy, yet I get the vote. Is it only me, or do you see the hole in logic too? You don't want to lynch your buddy unless you really have to, is that it?

So, to summarize your post, you agree that Seth is scummy, then you throw around suspicion on everyone on Seth's wagon, I presume to see what sticks. Also, trying to minimize suspicion on babygirl by saying she lurks all the time.

FoS dahill

that's a big FoS, but I still think Seth's the play today.

[ThAdmiral]

Vote Count:

Sethaniel - 3

(Korts, Babygirl, ABR)

Korts - 2

(Elderad, Dahill)

Not Voting -

(Everyone else)

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

We have

TWO

new players!

Kravhen replaces Flameaxe,
Coron replaces Qman.

[dahill1]

I don't think that's the correct way to hunt scum, lynching someone who, I gather from this post, you judge to have a 50% chance of being scum, and an equal chance at being town. Also, my possible connections? I attacked Yoshi and Seth. But my turning up town won't prove Seth's guilt. My suspicions don't have solid proof. I'm not defending him, just pointing out holes in logic.

that's not at all what i'm saying. i know that if you turn up town seth isn't automatically guilty, but you also seem to have buddied up with ABR as well. i'm definitely not thinking that you are 50% scum, 50% town

I'm not any more eager for his lynch than I was for Yoshi's. I have a fair suspicion that he's scum, and since I didn't see any better place to start from at the start of D2, I voted for him. Also, I admitted that setting up a D2 wagon wouldn't be beneficial for town, but I added that it wouldn't be beneficial for scum, either, therefore it is a null tell. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

read these quotes

Sethaniel's bandwagon I'll be leading, as promised. Dahill I don't understand...

I said I would lead the Sethaniel wagon, so

Vote: Sethaniel

Hey doc, what about Seth?

seems to me like you were eager for a seth lynch

Strange? Maybe. Scummier than Seth? Nooooo.

never said it was scummier than seth

You admit that Seth's scummy, therefore you will consider voting him

tomorrow?

Clarify this, please. You haven't expressed more than light suspicion of me, and you call Seth scummy, yet I get the vote. Is it only me, or do you see the hole in logic too? You don't want to lynch your buddy unless you really have to, is that it?

yes, i think seth is scummy, but i also think you are. and i think you will be the best lynch for today. before i said i'm leaning towards voting for you, and now i did.

So, to summarize your post, you agree that Seth is scummy, then you throw around suspicion on everyone on Seth's wagon, I presume to see what sticks. Also, trying to minimize suspicion on babygirl by saying she lurks all the time.

the only suspicion of someone i have on seth's wagon is pretty much you. and now you're saying i'm minimizing suspicion on babygirl?? you just said i sentence ago that i was throwing suspicion at her (she's on seth's wagon)! she does lurk all the time, i'm just saying that for me, it doesn't change my suspicion anymore or any less because from what i've seen, she does it all the time. not that i'm saying it's a good playstyle, but just informing other players.

[Coron]

Hi guys! I'd be surprised if yesterday's lynch didn't involve a good bit of busing.
To me jex doesn't seem very scummy, ABR has seemed scummy, but no reason to vote him until we have a counterclaim(which if anyone is doctor I would suggest counterclaiming now). I'm at school now, so more reactions later.

[Korts]

I don't think that's the correct way to hunt scum, lynching someone who, I gather from this post, you judge to have a 50% chance of being scum, and an equal chance at being town. Also, my possible connections? I attacked Yoshi and Seth. But my turning up town won't prove Seth's guilt. My suspicions don't have solid proof. I'm not defending him, just pointing out holes in logic.

that's not at all what i'm saying. i know that if you turn up town seth isn't automatically guilty, but you also seem to have buddied up with ABR as well. i'm definitely not thinking that you are 50% scum, 50% town

I gathered from your posts that you weren't really decided whether or not I'm scum or town. I may have been wrong, but you didn't express any more than vague suspicion.

I'm not any more eager for his lynch than I was for Yoshi's. I have a fair suspicion that he's scum, and since I didn't see any better place to start from at the start of D2, I voted for him. Also, I admitted that setting up a D2 wagon wouldn't be beneficial for town, but I added that it wouldn't be beneficial for scum, either, therefore it is a null tell. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion.

read these quotes

Sethaniel's bandwagon I'll be leading, as promised. Dahill I don't understand...

I said I would lead the Sethaniel wagon, so

Vote: Sethaniel

Hey doc, what about Seth?

seems to me like you were eager for a seth lynch

You're misrepresenting me, I didn't say I wasn't eager for a Seth lynch. I said I am no more eager for his lynch than Yoshi's. Kinda less, in fact, but that wasn't my point.

Strange? Maybe. Scummier than Seth? Nooooo.

never said it was scummier than seth

You raise points against ABR, you fail to raise points against Seth, this leads me to the conclusion that you find ABR scummier compared to Seth.

So, to summarize your post, you agree that Seth is scummy, then you throw around suspicion on everyone on Seth's wagon, I presume to see what sticks. Also, trying to minimize suspicion on babygirl by saying she lurks all the time.

the only suspicion of someone i have on seth's wagon is pretty much you. and now you're saying i'm minimizing suspicion on babygirl?? you just said i sentence ago that i was throwing suspicion at her (she's on seth's wagon)! she does lurk all the time, i'm just saying that for me, it doesn't change my suspicion anymore or any less because from what i've seen, she does it all the time. not that i'm saying it's a good playstyle, but just informing other players.

To clarify my point. You made points about ABR and me, and you mentioned babygirl as a prominent lurker. About ABR and me, you declared that you find my lynch the best, and that ABR's actions have been strange. About babygirl, however, you say that this is her playstyle. Maybe this is only about informing other players, but it isn't hard to see ulterior motives in there.

[eldarad]

Post 258 bugs me. A lot.
I need to think about what I am going to do about that.

In the mean time, it would be nice to hear from the people who replaced in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Post 258 bugs me. A lot.
I need to think about what I am going to do about that.

Me too.

[Jex]

I did a quick read on dahill and his posts just don't sit right with me. I don't have to time to pull out direct quotes at the moment, but here are my general thoughts.

1) dahill's argument on yoshi being scum claimed that yoshi was "wishy-washy" with his votes.

2) dahill's arguments seem to attack sethaniel then korts then sethaniel then korts...back and forth. Seems strange that his vote for yoshi was based on indecisiveness yet he can't make up his mind himself.

3) ..... i don't really have a 3.... those points are enough for me to

vote dahill

[Albert B. Rampage]

Jex and Sethaniel...

[eldarad]

Hmm.

my main points against korts are that he seemed to be a bit too eager for the Seth lynch D2. he even later admitted that setting up a D2 wagon would not be beneficial to the town.

i admit Seth is looking scummy and i'm considering him as a possible D3 lynch, depending on what happens today.

Having voted Korts for setting up a lynch a Day ahead, dahill then attempts to set a lynch up a Day ahead... it's like he wants to use my argument as an excuse to vote for Korts but needs to give himself wiggle-room for Day 3.

as for babygirl, this seems to be how she plays in all of her games, from what i have read. but i still would appreciate more feedback from her.

This seems like a gratuitious mention of babygirl, and it involves justifying her lurking. Strikes me as odd.

unvote
vote dahill

[Albert B. Rampage]

NO, GUYS, NO!!! SETHANIEL AND JEX!!!

[eldarad]

NO, GUYS, NO!!! SETHANIEL AND JEX!!!

dahill is the play for Today I think. I say this with the utmost seriousness.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. You don't understand. We have to eliminate Sethaniel today. We have to. Sethaniel.

[Coron]

Every time ABR posts I want to vote him just so he stops annoying me.

Again, more later, I've been kinda busy.

[dahill1]

Having voted Korts for setting up a lynch a Day ahead, dahill then attempts to set a lynch up a Day ahead... it's like he wants to use my argument as an excuse to vote for Korts but needs to give himself wiggle-room for Day 3.

no, setting up a lynch for D3 would be me saying "Hey guys, today we're lynch Korts, and tommorow Seth". i could completely change my mind about seth by D3.

This seems like a gratuitious mention of babygirl, and it involves justifying her lurking. Strikes me as odd.

i mentioned babygirl because a couple posts above me Jex said she wanted to hear from the lurkers. i know Flameaxe doesn't play like this, and i've never seen any of silence's games, but i have seen some of babygirl's. and i know from them that she lurks heavily whether intentional or not, so i pointed it out so others could know

[Sethaniel]

vote: dahill

dahill wrote:
"i admit Seth is looking scummy and i'm considering him as a possible D3 lynch, depending on what happens today. "

You admit that Seth's scummy, therefore you will consider voting him tomorrow? Clarify this, please. You haven't expressed more than light suspicion of me, and you call Seth scummy, yet I get the vote. Is it only me, or do you see the hole in logic too? You don't want to lynch your buddy unless you really have to, is that it?

Or it's because he knows I'm town. Dahill is distancing himself from the Sethwagon, and trying to throw suspicion on its members so that when I'm proven town, they look like scum and he doesn't.