California Trilogy - Going to San Francisco (Game Over!)

[Mr. Grey]

SensFan has failed the posting requirements, and will be replaced as soon as a replacement is found.

[Mr. Grey]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

BBMars: 3 (MichelSableheart, NabakovNabakov, Rogueben)
Thesp: 3 (Gaspar, PookyTheMagicalBear, Xtoxm)
MichelSableheart: 1 (Thesp)
OhGodMyLife: 1 (MrBuddyLee)

[Gaspar]

I find it interesting that Thesp drops me to the bottom of his list today. Did nabbing Fae convince you that I'm probably protown?

Nabakov's vote annoys me. I hate when people say "I am going to bandwagon you to get reactions" because

it warns people - especially the wagonee - that their response will be scrutinized

, thus making it less likely that they'll react in a blatantly scummy manner (unless "blatant scumminess" is a part of their identity).

I could totally go for a BBMars lynch right now. Flameaxe has an opinion, but he is refraining from sharing it under the "I want to check with my partner, who is AWOL" guise. Tell us who you suspect, and why, Flameaxe.

[Thesp]

I find it interesting that Thesp drops me to the bottom of his list today. Did nabbing Fae convince you that I'm probably protown?

Yes. On the high likelihood that SCAPE is some form of scum, it's ridiculously unlikely you'd be scum with FaerieLord. While the possibilities exist that SCAPE is a one-man thing or is something else entirely, or that you're some other scum, it's more than enough to look elsewhere at this point.

[Niv]

I have contributed my thoughts.

I've done so because I want to kill scum.

Really pooky, All I've seen you do is ask questions and post lists of players with none of your own logic what so ever. I would like to know how you believe you have contributed your thoughts and how you have contributed to the town.

[Xtoxm]

Perhaps Gaspar is scum and his "good reason" is I'm town?

I think he's town, so i'm happy to go with it. If I thought he was scum, then I wouldn't be.

BBMars would also I be happy to lynch.

[Mr. Grey]

LoudmouthLee replaces SensFan.

[NabakovNabakov]

Actually playing the game, I see no particular reason to disbelieve the account of what happened in the basement. If one was scum lying, the other townie would have exposed them, and them both being scum seems very unlikely just from the perspective that it would mean Gorrad got completely and unescapably screwed by the setup.

Agreed (unless there's the highly unlikely scenario that they're both scum, but for different factions/for themselves, but I find this to be dubious at best). I'm struggling to avoid potentially harmful speculation here.

Unallied scum/anti-towns would still have no reason to corroborate each other's story.

Nabakov's vote annoys me. I hate when people say "I am going to bandwagon you to get reactions" because it warns people - especially the wagonee - that their response will be scrutinized, thus making it less likely that they'll react in a blatantly scummy manner (unless "blatant scumminess" is a part of their identity).

Do you honestly think BBMars would not think he+she was under scrutiny if I hadn't said that? It's pretty hard to miss what with half the town expressing an interest in his+her bandwagon. At least what I did served to get a reaction rather than

just

as a tip-off.

[Thesp]

Actually playing the game, I see no particular reason to disbelieve the account of what happened in the basement. If one was scum lying, the other townie would have exposed them, and them both being scum seems very unlikely just from the perspective that it would mean Gorrad got completely and unescapably screwed by the setup.

Agreed (unless there's the highly unlikely scenario that they're both scum, but for different factions/for themselves, but I find this to be dubious at best). I'm struggling to avoid potentially harmful speculation here.

Unallied scum/anti-towns would still have no reason to corroborate each other's story.

I think I was unclear here - I can't imagine any way they'd lie about what went down in the basement, but I think it unlikely that both

are scum

regardless (unless that unlikely hypothetical actually obtains).

[Thesp]

Also, no love for a MichelSablehart lynch?

[MrBuddyLee]

Please read OGML's contribution to the game before thinking about lynching anyone else. He was in a basement of three people that voted out a townie. I find it highly unlikely that the mod would put three townies in such a situation. That, combined with his play today, makes him significantly scrutable.

[Gaspar]

Nabakov's vote annoys me. I hate when people say "I am going to bandwagon you to get reactions" because it warns people - especially the wagonee - that their response will be scrutinized, thus making it less likely that they'll react in a blatantly scummy manner (unless "blatant scumminess" is a part of their identity).

Do you honestly think BBMars would not think he+she was under scrutiny if I hadn't said that? It's pretty hard to miss what with half the town expressing an interest in his+her bandwagon. At least what I did served to get a reaction rather than

just

as a tip-off.

Weak to moderate scums flail more often than not when being wagoned without reasonable explanation. Telling someone you want to scrutinize a reaction lets them know exactly why they're being wagoned, and it mitigates any possible reaction that could have been obtained.

So yes, I do honestly think that your statement made a difference. And I do honestly think that the difference is probably not insignificant. (A double negative!)

Please read OGML's contribution to the game before thinking about lynching anyone else. He was in a basement of three people that voted out a townie. I find it highly unlikely that the mod would put three townies in such a situation. That, combined with his play today, makes him significantly scrutable.

BZZT!

I find it entirely reasonable for one (if not both) of the three-person "mini-towns" to have zero scum. "The town automatically loses two roles" is very easily balanced by making the non-Attic, non-Basement townies more powerful as part of the setup.

I would expect someone playing Outguess the Mod in this game to be punished. -150 points for this kind of misleading speculation/assumption.


I'll flesh out a full list sometime Thursday for Friday, but for now....

Unvote
Vote:

BBMars,

Thesp

, MBL

[Gaspar]

EBWOP: I almost said "the difference is unlikely to be not insignficant," which states the same thing, but uses a triple-negative. Would that have been too confusing for you folks? ":P

[OhGodMyLife]

MBL, why is it so unlikely that three townies would be put in such a situation? Do you think it necessary that one of the other missing three be scum as well? I personally find it more unlikely that more than one scum would be among all six people who were originally missing, as two/??? however many scum there are is bound to be a high proportion of the bad guys.

I don't think trying to outguess the mod on this is the wisest course of action. Its exactly that kind of thinking that got gorrad lynched.

And what exactly about my play is raising red flags with you?

[Gaspar]

Virtual simulpost. Assuming OGML didn't ninja-pirate my post, that was awesome.

And if he

did

ninja-pirate my post, well... that is awesome.

[LoudmouthLee]

here. Will read and post tomorrow.

[OhGodMyLife]

Woah, hi Gaspar, thanks for agreeing with me as I wrote my post.

[Thesp]

I find it entirely reasonable for one (if not both) of the three-person "mini-towns" to have zero scum. "The town automatically loses two roles" is very easily balanced by making the non-Attic, non-Basement townies more powerful as part of the setup.

I was trying to avoid stating this outright.

[vollkan]

For the record, my only intention in reposting the PM was to make sure everybody was on the same page regarding reveals. I consider the whole "well, you wouldn't know because your PM has a different allignment" idea to be underhanded and superficial, and if Vollkan placed just as little worth on it, I think a "reasonable question" is raised in: "Then why did he post it in the first place?"

I questioned CKD over the issue simply to see how he responded to being questioned over it, and how he rationalised it. Am I only meant to follow up very likely leads? I don't think so.

Please read OGML's contribution to the game before thinking about lynching anyone else. He was in a basement of three people that voted out a townie. I find it highly unlikely that the mod would put three townies in such a situation. That, combined with his play today, makes him significantly scrutable.

Unless it was all chosen randomly.

[Glork]

I find it entirely reasonable for one (if not both) of the three-person "mini-towns" to have zero scum. "The town automatically loses two roles" is very easily balanced by making the non-Attic, non-Basement townies more powerful as part of the setup.

I was trying to avoid stating this outright.

Why?

[MichelSableheart]

Vote: MichelSableheart

Reasoning? Your only comments on me are made in post #296, and you have completely ignored my response to that.

I find it entirely reasonable for one (if not both) of the three-person "mini-towns" to have zero scum. "The town automatically loses two roles" is very easily balanced by making the non-Attic, non-Basement townies more powerful as part of the setup.

Also, please take into account that we still aren't sure what made CKD and OGML return. Sure, it could be that they lynched Gorrad, but other explanations are also possible. If they returned for other reasons, the statement that the town automatically loses two roles wouldn't be true even if all missing players were town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My lists are how I rank people who I believe I have a feel for in this game.

It puts them in the group I believe them likely to be in.

Those are my thoughts on who is scum in this game, who is town in this game, and who I am unsure on.

The list is created from player actions, player interactions, my own gut feelings, and divine inspiration.

I'm not quite sure why you believe thought needs logic to be considered "thought".

I believe my thoughts certainly have been of a contributive nature to this town.

[Mr. Grey]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

BBMars: 3 (MichelSableheart, NabakovNabakov, Rogueben)
Thesp: 3 (Gaspar, PookyTheMagicalBear, Xtoxm)
MichelSableheart: 1 (Thesp)
OhGodMyLife: 1 (MrBuddyLee)

Current Condorcet Winner:

BBMars

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Rogueben has not posted in 72 hours and has received his first strike.

[Rogueben]

@Pooky. Is there any reason why you have decided to take such a questioning approach in this game?

I'm getting good vibes from Gaspar still. Bad vibes from niv, especially in his sustained attacks against Pooky.

Just to clarify. The basement people are not sure whether or not they HAD to lynch to get out of there so setup speculation based on that is BAD.

Unvote, Vote: BBMars

, Niv

[Thesp]

I find it entirely reasonable for one (if not both) of the three-person "mini-towns" to have zero scum. "The town automatically loses two roles" is very easily balanced by making the non-Attic, non-Basement townies more powerful as part of the setup.

I was trying to avoid stating this outright.

Why?

Because the implication is that if town, then basement-leavers are more likely to be power roles, as you've nearly directly stated. I'm not sure how beneficial it was to

tell everyone

that.

Reasoning? Your only comments on me are made in post #296, and you have completely ignored my response to that.

Your response was crap. Your attack on SensFan is still flabbergasting and unintelligible by any stretch of reasonable, and you continued to disavow the usefulness of your vote. I'm not sure why it was deserving of response. Looking back, I'm also noting that you'd swapped Machiavellian-Mafia over FaerieLord 36 hours before the deadline (you'd had FL above him prior to that). Convenient.

So who are your partners?