From what I saw, his claims seemed to be sincere, but I think he did overuse the claim. Also, I'd like to point out that claiming `newbie' might be an excuse for ignorance, but not necessarily for scumminess, as it is perfectly possible for newbies to actually be scum.Muerrto wrote:1. I want everyone's opinion on BaB's 'newbie' claims. Several points: Are they sincere? Are they too numerous? Are they justified? Should it matter?
Seeing how BridgesAndBaloons appears to be eager to learn, I'm surprised that he hasn't actually read the wiki guides or other games to get an idea of what is considered scummy---actually, he indicates that he did read other games, but he doesn't seem to have learned much from it, confer him lying to trick curiouskarmadog.
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I don't think that asking for a deadline in a standstill situation like the game was in at the time to be overly scummy; Occult neither requested that it'd be a non-retractable deadline nor that it be overly close. In a situation like that, I'd expected a deadline two or three weeks away, retracable if discussion picks up (which, anyway, it did; so even if that might not have been Occult's motive, it was his effect).Muerrto wrote:2. What's your opinion on Occult's/my support of a deadline and his claim that it was just to spark discussion? He claims he was under the assumption it was retractable, is that believable? Also, was this a scum tell?
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I think that lurking itself is not inherently scummy, there are dozens of reasons why someone might not actually post for a while. What is indeed scummy is when someone picks up a prod and then continues to lurk, which didn't happen here.Muerrto wrote:3. Does WLC/Black lurking bother you? Is it a scum tell? Have they improved?
Also almost everyone of the original players is guilty of flaking out, thus they must have lurked during the game at least once.
While not having flaked out so far, WeyounsLastClone has been lurking in the past (I actually do think he has improved on that), but even Radio_Interference has had four days between posts (twice).
Obviously, in a game where everyone has been lurking at some time, lurking cannot be a scum tell.
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I think theory discussion might be helpful, because it requires that players abstract from the actual game, which helps ordering thoughts and forming opinions. However, excessive theory discussion might also lead away from actual scum hunting, which in principle is a bad thing. Balance is the key here.Muerrto wrote:4. Do theory discussions distract from scum hunting? Are they useful? Can semantics and definition discussions be used as scum tells etc?
While I believe that discussions on the definition of something don't belong in the game, discussions on the applicability of a certain definition certainly do.
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No, I don't think it's his playstyle. His experience, however, is something to be wary of; he seems to know how to hide `his emotions and opinions,' but that wouldn't change even if he wouldn't use his style.Muerrto wrote:5. Does RI's playstyle make it easy for him to hide his emotions and opinions? Does he seem more experienced than he first claimed? Did it bother you that he claimed to be new and not an alt then finally came clean about his extensive history with werewolf etc.?
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ICs are still normal people, basically they are as likely to get emotional when provoked as newbies. IC just means `played a couple of games,' not `emotionally stable' or `can control his/her anger.'Muerrto wrote:6. Did it surprise you to see CKD go off on BaB? Was it normal for an IC? Was it coincidence Bog did the same thing earlier? Is displaying emotion a scum tell?
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For the time being, I don't have anything to add here.Muerrto wrote:7. Don't have anything about Amor or Sauce at this time so if anyone else does please put it up.
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Why is it necessary?BridgesAndBaloons wrote:2) RI: I need to see your post by post case against Amor. Sorry for the inconvenience, but it is entirely necessary imo.
How would it be useful?BridgesAndBaloons wrote:I love theory discussions. Especially in a newbie game it's useful.
Why would it be helpful?BridgesAndBaloons wrote:Speaking of the summary, I asked you because I think it would extremely benefit the town if you did. It would be helpful to see fresh eyes on the thread, it would be really helpful to have another summary, and it would be great to get some lengthy posts from you considering we have very little to go on about the person you are replacing.
I'm going to maintain that it will be extremely beneficial for town for you to write a summary, but if you think not, well, I guess you won't do it.
You seem to state things as useful/necessary/scummy/whatever as if it were a fact that they are, when it isn't obvious why they should be. I'm surprised you got that through without anybody asking (except for when you said certain actions where scummy and curiouskarmadog challenged you to say why they were, but even there, you failed to provide reasoning). Please clarify.
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I noticed you claimed that `vague' was the wrong word before. What interests me is what you think would have been the right word? You haven't said that so far.BridgesAndBaloons wrote:Did you read post 261? I'm guessing not. Basically, vague was the wrong word. Your statements weren't vague. Again, you're hammering me for using the wrong word again. Trying to de-credit me?
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BridgesAndBaloons wrote:There's a whole lot more reasons besides me being scum. I agree though, it seems very strange that I haven't been lynched. Maybe one of those four is correct?
How come that you changed your mind on what is happening this quickly? Which of the options do you think it is and why?BridgesAndBaloons wrote:You completely disregarded all the options I that said, one of which is actually occurring.
curiouskarmadog - 1 (BridgesAndBaloons)
Amor - 1 (cerebus3)
td - 1 (WeyounsLastClone)
Not Voting - 4 (curiouskarmadog, JimSauce, Radio_Interference, td)