HAGGLE IV - Mafia Style - Guardian Wins

[Greasy Spot]

It's time for a new Haggle Game. This one will have a Mafia theme (imagine that).

If you don't know what Haggle is, read all about Haggle here, here, and here.

The cards we are going to use are as follows:
[mrow]Anti-Town[col]Pro-Town[col]Non-Aligned Godfather[col]Cop[col]Lyncher Goon[col]Townie[col]Jester Cult Leader[col]Doctor[col]Lurker Cult Recruit[col]Vigilante[col]Kingmaker Werewolf[col]Seer[col]Hero [col][col]Serial Killer

Rules

There are 16 types of cards, total number of cards will be determined when players have signed in. Each player recieves the same number cards to be determined. Cards are worth an unknown amount of points, and the goal is to end up with the most points by trading cards and rules. There are 20 rules, which determine the scoring of points. Each player will start with the knowledge of 2 rules. You can trade your rules with each other to get more knowledge of the values of cards.

You are only allowed to communicate in this thread. If you want to trade cards or rules with other players, post it in bold. You are not allowed to pm each other any rules, but I will pm the rule to you if you got a rule from someone. Both players in a trade must post the trade in bold for it to be official.

The game will end after 2 weeks from the start date. Then I will calculate your score and announce the winner. Post here to be /in. Thanks to Coolbot for the idea.

Players:

1) Wizardcat: Rules: 5 and 7; Cards: Godfather (1), Goon (3), Cult Recruit (1), Cop (2), Townie (1), Doctor (2), Seer (1), Lyncher (2), Kingmaker (1)
2) Max: Rules: 6 and 19; Cards: Godfather (2), Goon (1), Cult Recruit (1), Werewolf (1),Cop (1), Townie (3), Doctor (1), Seer (3), Jester (1)
3) JordanA24: Rules: 2 and 4; Cards: Godfather (1), Goon (1), Cult Recruit (1), Cop (2), Townie (3), Seer (2), Jester (1), Lurker (2), Serial Killer (1)
4) Danix: Rules: 8 and 17; Cards: Goon (1), Cult Leader (1), Werewolf (4), Cop (1), Townie (1), Doctor (1), Vigilante (2), Seer (1), Jester (1), Serial Killer (1)
5) dahill1: Rules: 7 and 11; Cards: Godfather (2), Goon (3), Cult Recruit (1), Townie (3), Seer (2), Jester (2), Hero (1)
6) pickemgenius: Rules: 2 and 10; Cards: Goon (3), Cult Leader (1), Werewolf (1),Cop (1), Townie (3), Doctor (1), Vigilante (1), Jester (1), Serial Killer (2)
7) hasdgfas: Rules: 1 and 19; Cards: Goon (5), Cult Leader (1), Cop (2), Townie (3), Seer (1), Lyncher (1), Lurker (1)
8) ooba: Rules: 11 and 20; Cards: Godfather (2), Goon (4), Cult Recruit (1), Cop (1), Townie (1), Doctor (2), Lyncher (1), Lurker (1), Serial Killer (1)
9) ashmite84: Rules: 14 and 16; Cards: Godfather (3), Goon (1), Cult Recruit (1), Townie (1), Vigilante (1), Seer (2), Lyncher (3), Lurker (2)
10) Andycyca: Rules: 13 and 15; Cards: Goon (3), Cult Leader (1), Werewolf (4),Cop (1), Townie (2), Jester (1), Lurker (1), Kingmaker (1)
11) andersonw: Rules: 9 and 18; Cards: Godfather (2), Goon (1), Cult Recruit (1), Townie (5), Seer (1), Lyncher (1), Hero (1), Serial Killer (2)
12)

UnofficialRulerOfEveryone

Snix: Rules: 6 and 20; Cards: Goon (3), Cult Leader (1), Werewolf (2),Cop (1), Townie (2), Vigilante (2), Jester (1), Lurker (1), Serial Killer (1)
13) Guardian: Rules: 3 and 12; Cards: Goon (5), Cult Leader (1), Cop (2), Townie (2), Vigilante (1), Seer (1), Jester (1), Lurker (1)
14) Oman: Rules: 1 and 17; Cards: Godfather (2), Goon (1), Cult Leader (1), Werewolf (2), Cop (1), Townie (5), Lyncher (1), Serial Killer (1)


Sign-ups are now closed. Pms will go out in the morning.

PMs have been sent. Game will last for 2 weeks and will end Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:53 am.

[Greasy Spot]

Also, since when is Lurker a role? :/

It's not an official role normally.

[Greasy Spot]

just read the other games .. why is knowledge trading not allowed?

Rules can be traded, is this what you mean?

[Greasy Spot]

/in sounds fun
how many players will there be?

We will start when aat least 10 players have signed up. Probably on the 14th.

[Greasy Spot]

Alright we have enough people to play. I will send PMs in the morning. I left the roles on my computer at the office.

[Greasy Spot]

There is no need to respond via PM unless you have a question.

Game starts now and will end in two weeks from NOW.

Start posting

[Greasy Spot]

Damn, don't get your panties in a wad. I'll post it in just a minute.

[Greasy Spot]

We are trading the knowledge of the Rules. If person A knows rules 1 and 2 and then trades for rules 3 and 4, they then know rules 1,2,3, and 4.

Just a reminder:
Both parties have to post the trade in the thread in

BOLD!

[Greasy Spot]

Could you please tell us which players have which roles at the outset - will help in trading ..

The first post has been updated to include who has which Rules.

[Greasy Spot]

I'm gonna be out for a few hours. I think I have everything current now. I will make new trades later tonight.

[Greasy Spot]

Have Imissed anybodies trade?

[Greasy Spot]

Damn! Don't you guys have anything better to do than HAGGLE! haha didn't think so.

Alright you guys are killing me. Let's try this, ok? When you make an offer/trade to someone please phrase it as such:

Greasy Spot trades: Goons(2), Rules 3 and 4 -> Guardian for Townies(5) and Rule 20

and the person confirming can post

CONFRIM Greasy Spot trades: Goons(2), Rules 3 and 4 -> Guardian for Townies(5) and Rule 20

.

If the person who is confirming wants to make a change please quote the first offer and then write your counter offer in the same manner as the first offer. It would also be nice to reference the post # of the offer you are confirming.

I am working on the outstanding trades on the totals and will post them shortly.

[Greasy Spot]

ooba 1 GF + Rule 12 + Rule 20 -> 1 Cult Recruit + 2 Seer + 1 Townie
dahill. 1 Cult Recruit + 2 Seer + 1 Townie -> 1 GF + Rule 12 + Rule 20

This agreement was in Post 182. dahill1 only has 1 Seer so this trade is not valid. If you want to renegotiate do it in the thread.

[Greasy Spot]

Trade Guardian Doc for Cop
trade pickem cop for doctor

This trade is NOT valid as Guardian doesn't have a Cop or Doc.

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[Greasy Spot]

trade wizardcat rule 8 for rule 10
Trade dahill Rule 10 for Rule 8.

This trade is not valid as dahill does not have Rule 8.

[Greasy Spot]

trade Andycyca Rules 1,2,3,4,5,7 for goons(3), cult recruit(1) kingmaker(1)
Trade Guardian Goons (3), Cult recruit (1) and Kingmaker (1) for rules 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7

This trade is not valid as Andycyca does not have a Cult Recruit.

[Greasy Spot]

This is a current list of what everybody has unless I missed something. Please let me know if this is not right.

[Greasy Spot]

Trade Guardian Doc for Cop
trade pickem cop for doctor

This trade is valid as Guardian doesn't have a Cop or Doc.

I'm fairly sure I had a cop at that time; I started with 2, and only ever traded 1 away.

Which direction was the transaction in post 179/180 going? I may have done it incorrectly.

[Greasy Spot]

Trade Guardian Doc for Cop
trade pickem cop for doctor

This trade is valid as Guardian doesn't have a Cop or Doc.

I'm fairly sure I had a cop at that time; I started with 2, and only ever traded 1 away.

Which direction was the transaction in post 179/180 going? I may have done it incorrectly.

I traded a cop and rule for godfather and goon.

Was that my second cop trade? If so, okies.

Yes it was.

[Greasy Spot]

This is my current count for everyone. Please let me know if you disagree.

[Greasy Spot]

Umm think i have 1 GF , 2 goons ?

Actually I think You should have 0 GF and 1 Goon. I think I took 1 GF away from dahill on that last trade instead of giving it to dahill.

ooba starts with 2 GF and 4 Goons

trades 2 Goons to Gaurdian post 52

trades 1 GF and 1 Goon to Gaurdian post 180

trades dahill 1 GF in post 335

Tell me what you think.

[Greasy Spot]

Hmm okies. I was sure that my goon was higher than GF - juse didnt know i had 0 gf's :S

If you can find a trade I missed I will be more than happy to fix it.

[Greasy Spot]

Trade: 6 and townie, for 11 and there is a no selling on clause except if you pay me 2 rules (but once all rules you own have been given to me there must be no trades of that nature.

Accept Trade. Rule 11 for 6 and a Townie

Just so you are aware I will not be enforcing the above clause attached by Max. Do you guys still want the trade?

[Greasy Spot]

I believe I am current on all trades. Let me know if I missed yours.

[Greasy Spot]

Effective Immediately

Snix will replace UnofficialRulerOfEveryone. If UROE posts please do not trade with him.

[Greasy Spot]

Okay, as it stands UROE has been replaced by Snix(Thank You) and Oman and Danix have both asked to be replaced. The decision is yours. I can continue to look for 2 replacements or I can try to disperse their cards and rules evenly between all the remaining players.

Please PM me if you want me to disperse their cards or continue to look for replacements. Also if you guys know of someone that may be interested let me know.

[Greasy Spot]

Game will last for 2 weeks and will end Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:53 am.

Okay, here's the delima. I will be on vacation from the 26th thru the 29th (Sorry, I forgot). I will have very limited internet access. We have two options: 1) We extend the game thru the 30th which will give me any extra time I need to make all trades that may have happened while I was away or 2) We end the game short on Midnight of the 25th and I will posts the results on the 30th when I get back. You guys discuss and let me know how you feel.

Also on the Replacements vs. Dispersement Issue
Replacements (1) (Guardian)
Dispersements (1) (Dahill1)

Don't forget this is a game of HAGGLE. You can't win if you don't trade anything.

Let the HAGGLING continue!!!

[Greasy Spot]

Current Count

Replacements vs. Dispersement Issue
Replacements (1) (Guardian)
Dispersements (2) (Dahill1, ooba)

Deadline Change
Shorten to 25th (1) (ooba)
Extend to 30th (1) (Guardian)

[Greasy Spot]

C'mon people times a wasting and I know someone who's running away with this game. Make your trades or your gonna lose.

[Greasy Spot]

Guardian by any chance?

Exactly why I voted to disperse. Many trades are stalled.

Guardian is not the only one in this game. Besides the rules he doesn't have might make him want to change his position. If I disperse (and I haven't decided) a players possessions then rules will most likely be given to all so that benefits the ones that only need those rules more than it benefits the guys needing a lot of rules.

If activity doesn't pick up I will most likely end the game early on the 25th.

[Greasy Spot]

Trade Snix's goons(3) for Gaurdian's rules 9-16 and Gaurdian's jester

Snix and Guardian
Is this rules 9 and 16 or 9 thru 16?

[Greasy Spot]

Actually the

Game will end Mon Apr 28, 2008 10:53 am.

I should be able to make all trades this weekend.

[Greasy Spot]

The game is officially over. I believe all trades have been made. I will post the results in a little will.

[Greasy Spot]

The scores have been talled. Here are the Rules:

Rules:
1)Townies and Goons are your typical players in a Mafia game and so they each receive 5 points.

2)Godfather and Cop cards are worth 7 points each.

3)If you have the most Godfather cards, then everyone else's pro-town cards are reduced by 20 points unless they have the most Cop cards of anyone. If you have the most Godfather and Cop cards then your total score is reduced by 30 points.

4)Werewolf and Seer cards are worth 7 points each.

5)If you have the most Werewolf cards then everyone else's pro-town cards are reduced by 20 points unless they have the most Seer cards of anyone. If you have the most Werewolf and Seer cards then your total score is reduced by 30 points.

6)Cult Leader cards are worth 0 points. Cult Recruit cards are worth 1 points each.

7)If you have at least 1 Cult Leader and 1 Cult Recruit and the most Cult cards of anyone else then you become the cult group and recruit half of the Goon and Townie cards from the 3 players with the lowest number of Goon and Townie cards.

8)Both Doctor and Vigilante cards are worth 9 points each.

9)If you have more Doctor cards than Vigilante cards add 20 more points to your Pro-Town score, if not subtract 20 points from your Pro-Town score.

10)The Lyncher and the Jester cards are worth 3 points each.

11)If you have an equal number of Lyncher and Jester cards then triple the value of these cards.

12)The Lurker card is worth -5 points. Nobody likes a Lurker.

13)The serial Killer card is worth -1 points. If you have the most Serial Killer cards you get a Bonus.

14)If your lucky enough to get the most Lurker cards then double the card with the highest point value you have.

15)The player(s) with the most cards at the end of the game gets a 25 point bonus. The player(s) with the least number of Rules at the end of the game gets a 15 point deduction.

16)If you have more of the Serial Killer card than any other person then the top 3 three player's value of Doc and Godfather cards is cut in half.

17)If you have more lurker cards than pro-town cards double the effects of the pro-mafia cards.

18)If you have the most Cop and Seer cards then half your total Mafia score.

19)The Hero card is worth 10 points and the Kingmaker card is worth 2 points.

20)If you have both the Hero and the Kingmaker cards then add 50 points to your total score.

They are scored in this order: 1,2,4,6,8,10,12,13,19,7,14,11,9,16,17,18,3,5,15,20.

[Greasy Spot]

Congratulations to Guardian for a blistering game.

Guardian[col]233 Points dahill1[col]115 Points Wizardcat[col]79 Points ooba[col]74 Points Max[col]63 Points andersonw[col]55 Points pickemgenius[col]46 Points Andycyca[col]33 Points hasdgfas[col]26 Points Danix[col]21 Points Oman[col]15 Points JordanA24[col]12 Points Snix[col]11 Points ashmite84[col]2 Points

[Greasy Spot]

Thanks for playing guys. It was really fun for me. I realized that when tallying the scores that they really favored people with a higher anti-town score. It wasn't too balanced. Guardian was right, if he'd have known Rule 17 he could have potentially doubled his score.

Thanks for hanging in their and playing the game.