mini #585 - A Tempest Has Formed (Over), Thanks Patrick!!


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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:05 pm

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Vote : Elias te Thief

Ahh, it feels good doing it.
Also, why would you confirm by PM?

mod note: exactly what happened was that Elias sent me the message "k." right after he got his role pm. I took that to mean confirmation.

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2 Gaspode (Evilgorrilaz, Marmalade)
1 alvinz95 (iamausername)
1 mellowed man (ashmite84)
1 ashmite84 (Mellowed Man)
1 Evilgorrilaz (CoheedCambria09)

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:50 pm

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vote: marmalade


because everyone knows strawberry jam is better. :P
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:18 pm

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Evilgorrilaz wrote:@Hypatia
You don't believe in it?
And can you change ur avatar, it freaks me out T_T
In random voting? I can take it or leave it.

About the avatar, sorry but no. I consider my avatar much less sensibility-offending than many out there.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:55 pm

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Vote: Mellowed Man


I'm hungry, and your name reminds me of marshmallows.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:34 am

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nobodys yet to give a tell, its making it difficult
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:59 am

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unvote, vote ashmite84
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:03 pm

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Mellowed Man wrote:
unvote, vote ashmite84
:lol: you were already voting for me
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:08 pm

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Maybe he was making his vote appear on the second page to make sure everyone sees it. Trying to start a bandwagon, perhaps?

Yes, I'm reaching. :roll:
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:56 pm

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iamausername wrote:Maybe he was making his vote appear on the second page to make sure everyone sees it. Trying to start a bandwagon, perhaps?

Yes, I'm reaching. :roll:
:lol:

Random voting seems to be winding down so I'll
unvote
. I will say though that this struck me as odd: when everyone else is just making random votes in a jokey way, in response to my random vote against him, Mellowed Man says -
Mellowed Man wrote:Vote: ashmite84
which seemed a bit abrupt. Then when Cream threw him another random vote, Mellowed says:
Mellowed Man wrote: unvote, vote ashmite84
Now I
think
he meant to vote for Cream. This was equally abrupt. What say you mellowed?
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:36 pm

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hmm
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:40 pm

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ashmite84 wrote:
Now I think he meant to vote for Cream. This was equally abrupt. What say you mellowed?
I'll agree with that.
Unvote, Vote: Mellowed Man
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:47 pm

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I was just selecting a random name to change my vote to, and did not discern that I was voting the same person. The reason being, this game appears to be in the random stage.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:50 pm

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.................. :?

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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:57 pm

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we havent really had any real discussion
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:07 pm

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Vote : Evilgorrilaz

He likes silly bandwagons.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:06 am

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There's (slow) wifi on UK trains! Who knew? I'm kind of disappointed I missed the random vote phase--I was looking forward to some ridiculous IS-like behavior.

FOS: CoheedCambria
. The "no tells" and "discussion" posts are both small tells in themselves.

FOS: marmalade and EvilGorrillaz
. Random-voting someone who can't post doesn't do much good, in my opinion. And EvilGorrillaz seems quite bandwagon happy.

major FOS: ashmite
. That was a really, really great way to start a bandwagon without being too personally involved. The vast majority of players I've seen (including myself) have pulled that one at least once (usually unsuccessfully).

No vote yet, just some observations.

Also: why was the vote count included in populartajo's post? It caused me some major confusion.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:15 am

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Gaspode wrote: FOS: CoheedCambria. The "no tells" and "discussion" posts are both small tells in themselves.
Disagree. The most we could discern from that is that he is trying to push the day and getting impatient, which is already a stretch.
Gaspode wrote: FOS: marmalade and EvilGorrillaz. Random-voting someone who can't post doesn't do much good, in my opinion. And EvilGorrillaz seems quite bandwagon happy.
We are supposed to know you can't post? -.-
Also, how are we supposed to get discussion going if we don't apply any pressure?
Gaspode wrote: Also: why was the vote count included in populartajo's post? It caused me some major confusion
The mod edits the top post of every page so we can always have a semi-up-to-date vote count that can easily be located.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:10 am

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FOS: marmalade and EvilGorrillaz. Random-voting someone who can't post doesn't do much good, in my opinion. And EvilGorrillaz seems quite bandwagon happy.
We are supposed to know you can't post? -.-
Also, how are we supposed to get discussion going if we don't apply any pressure?
I agree that Evilgorrilaz is wagon happy and that could be dangerous for the town, but considering the situation, a bandwagon could be more helpful than not doing anything. Wagoning can be used for scumhunting or for scum. Right now, a bandwagon would help the town because it can make the scum give off hints that they are scum. If he tried to wagon on a real discussion, then that would be scummy. I'll keep an eye out for any more bandwagons after the random phase. :shock: - evilgorrilaz
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:11 am

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evilgorrilaz wrote:
Gaspode wrote: Also: why was the vote count included in populartajo's post? It caused me some major confusion
The mod edits the top post of every page so we can always have a semi-up-to-date vote count that can easily be located.

this is correct.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:28 am

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Gaspode wrote:FOS: marmalade and EvilGorrillaz. Random-voting someone who can't post doesn't do much good
I'm not sure I agree with your observation here; can you elaborate on your reasoning? (I do agree with the rest of your post, by the way.)
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:07 am

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Evilgorrilaz wrote:Disagree. The most we could discern from that is that he is trying to push the day and getting impatient, which is already a stretch.
JEEP wrote a great article entitled "ScumTells" a few years ago, which is now on the wiki. If I remember right, according to his very extensive research, the first person to ask for "evidence" in a game is about 5 or 10% more likely to be scum or a cop. I considered the "no tells" post to be an extension of this, except that it probably doesn't say anything about copness, as it relates to in-thread "tells" and not "hard" evidence. I think there might be something in there about substance-less "we need discussion" posts too. Even if it doesn't, the "we haven't had discussion" post was pretty pointless, which occasionally can be considered a small tell.

Both points are obviously relatively minor, which is why I didn't vote based on either.

And I agree, alvinz, that bandwagons are a very important part of the game, and "bandwagon hunting" isn't always bad. It was just something else I noticed regarding EvilGorrillaz' behavior that is occasionally considered scummy. Without the other stuff, I probably wouldn't have even included it in my post.

Re: Marmalade, EvilGorrillaz on voting someone who's away:
Yes, you were supposed to know I couldn't post--I mentioned on page one that I was going to be in Scotland with little or no access from Tuesday to Thursday.

That said, I suppose it's not such a terrible thing to vote someone who's away for a couple of days--I just tend to think that in the random phase, voting someone who
is
around is much more likely to provoke a useful reaction. In this case, I suppose it's moot, because it's promoted discussion anyway, and I didn't have to go as long as I originally thought without internet access.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:33 am

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um this is my first game, i was just pointing out a few of my noob observations, i didnt know that by saying there havent been any tells, was a tell, srry if im confusing anyone
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:35 am

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Gaspode wrote:
Yes, you were supposed to know I couldn't post--I mentioned on page one that I was going to be in Scotland with little or no access from Tuesday to Thursday.
AHHHH SRRY
I tend not to read the posts in the conformation phase, so I guess I missed it. =p
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:05 am

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CoheedCambria09 wrote:um this is my first game, i was just pointing out a few of my noob observations, i didnt know that by saying there havent been any tells, was a tell, srry if im confusing anyone
I would advise not using an excuse of the type "I am not experienced, and therefore sorry for my mistake."


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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Apr 10, 2008 11:11 am

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Golly Gee, Mellowed Man does seem to vote-hop a bit. Not that there is anything wrong with that per se, but changing without reason your random vote, unwittingly to the
same person
, seems fairly odd. Not sure about whether this is exactly suspicious. Just an observation, for now.

@Gaspode -- I can understand your early concern, but I'm fairly sure that this is only a playstyle difference.

(Also, I'm Scottish, and we do have internet, you know. :wink: ((Nah, I understand that you may not have had access where you were going. Only joking about the typical backward-nature that is perceived Scotland has.)))
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