Mini #556 - The Most Excellent People Ever - Called.

[Guardian]

If I kill, my claim would be proven.

Not only that, killing anyone is greater than me being lynched. If I were at lynch -1, I'd likely try to kill everyone, as a last ditch effort to prove my claim and avoid being lynched.

I am confirmed town to myself. No one else is.

[Rosso Carne]

Your vote count, m'dear.

{1} Thanatos (WhoMe?)

{3} Guardian (Korlash, The Jester, Panzerjager)

Not Voting (lovo14, Oman, Cavebear with a toothache, Guardian, Thanatos, DizzyIzzyB13)

With 10 alive, it'll take 6 to lynch.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

I think it was the best course of action for me to claim a few irl days ago. So I'll claim now.

I am Juan "Johnny" Rico of Star Ship Trooper fame. There is a significant quote from the movie that my drill sergeant told me that makes a lot of sense with the flavor of my role, but I am hesitant to repeat it for fear of breaking the rules.

I am a one shot day-vig. My vig ends the day if used. I may only vig under certain conditions. Korlash does not fulfill those conditions at present; if he did he'd be dead.

Now, please vote Korlash.

I have no idea who this is. Is there any chance you could enlighten me, please?

[Guardian]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Rico

[Korlash]

Korlash does not like claiming, period. Razz You'll have to understand that.

I like fakeclaiming. And so I love claiming because it may be a chqnce to fake claim! XD

I am debating the wisdom of trying Kill: X on every player or something; maybe incapacitated is a real status but not publicly revealed.

Perhaps it has something to do with number of votes on a player. Like, a player atL-1/L-2 may be incapacitated. Thats my two cents....

I have no idea who this is. Is there any chance you could enlighten me, please?

"DO you want to live forever?" Ahhh... great movie... basically he is the greatet soldier earth has in the future... I believe the link shoudl answer all questions.

Okay, that's two really reasonable posts recently by Korlash...

now Im confused. How is that. My last two posts were like "Guard claim" and "Rico is amazing <3" ... Now Im confused..

[Guardian]

Until school's out (Early May), expect my dedication to mafiascum to suffer, perhaps greatly. Then I'll have little access at all for a week. Then I'll be back in full swing. I'm posting this notice in all games I'm playing; sorry if my activity suffers.

[Guardian]

Okay, that's two really reasonable posts recently by Korlash...

now Im confused. How is that. My last two posts were like "Guard claim" and "Rico is amazing <3" ... Now Im confused.. :(

I was referring to post 501 and 520.

501 was townlike because you appeared to be being reasonable and trying to get me to understand your suspicion.

520 was really reasonable because, as scum, I'd expect you to find some reason to not like the claim, whereas instead you found a reason to like it, and concede that you think it's a really good fake-claim or the real deal.

You also note and take issue with Oman's post asking you to claim, which feels town-like. Oman seemed to be asking for a claim quite prematurely; I was really the only one to express significant suspicion of you Korlash; there was no reason for you to claim at that point.

unvote

if I still am btw. Korlash, how do you do this to me. Why can't you just be consistently scummy; if you are town in this game I'll have to totally reevaluate my game-view :(.

[Korlash]

Its ok... A lot of people have that problem with me...

*pat pat*

unvote:

myself in light of the claim.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

I've read the book and seen the movie Starship Troopers (book is excellent btw, and not at all like the movie) although both were years ago, but I can't really understand why Rico would kill helpless/incapacitated people. In fact, killing helpless people seems like a very un-excellent thing to do. If anyone has the movie (it was the character from the movie, correct?) in recent memory and can explain this, that'd help.

Anyway, I don't see why we can't just try that claim, if someone indeed has a way of incapaciting people (night ability, I guess?). How about we vote for two people, lynch one of them, and see if the other one is incapacitated and so can be killed tomorrow? That way we'd confirm a townie (out-of-ammo-vig), and if there's an incapacitator (?) out there they wouldn't have to reveal their identity. If it's not a role but the effect of something else (ie nobody is incapacitated tomorrow), we lose nothing, except the chance to confirm Guardian. The only real downside to this that I can think of is that we would "waste" the dayvig; I'm not experienced enough to judge how much of a loss that would be or if there's a "best" way to use them.

[PJ.]

I have a large feeling Guardian is lying. His unquotable quote that clears him isn't said by Juan Rico. It's said by Lieutenant Jean Rasczak. And again, Rico would never kill someone who was helpless.

[Guardian]

Panzer found the quote. Panzer, you could type it for everyone, so they know what it is.

Rico also says that quote in the movie. My PM says how the liutentant taught him well, then has the quote.

I think Rico would definitely kill helpess bugs (scum). I don't think the flavor is *particularly* fitting, but it is what it is.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

Interesting. My unfamiliarity of the character means I'm neautral on whether the flavour is appropriate, but judging by the Wiki and other people's responses, it seems like it's the kind of person who'd qualify as awesome, even by the questionable standards of whoever created the roles.

[Guardian]

Upon getting the role, I was inspired to re-watch the movie.

Rico is indeed excellent, and day-viging is excellent. Incapacitated doesn't really fit in well, but it is what Rosso Carne told me. Note how I didn't include the bit about being incapacitated when I originally claimed; I don't think it particularly fits.

[lovo14]

ok first sorry for lack of activity. i recently had to go to hospital with obviously no net connection
but im back now

Well, I can paraphrase: it is about if I don't vanquish the enemies, my squad trainer will end my life. You can extrapolate from there.

I've claimed my real role

. If you guys want to not believe it and lynch me, I'm resigned to it at this point; Korlash's attempt at clarification isn't getting through my thick skull, and I really am quite frustrated by the large amount of suspicion on me that I just can't comprehend.

why wouldnt u give your real role if you were town
though Rico and his role fit into this game, so im inclined to beleive the role claim.

im curious as to what the incapitated thing means. anyone got any ideas as to what this might be/anyones role that could shed light on this (obviously dont come forward if you think it prudent to stay hidden from scum)

[Korlash]

Rico is indeed excellent, and day-viging is excellent. Incapacitated doesn't really fit in well, but it is what Rosso Carne told me. Note how I didn't include the bit about being incapacitated when I originally claimed; I don't think it particularly fits.

Sorry. But an admital of no fully claiming when claiming is enough to doubt your claim. There is no reason town should ever leave something out when caliming. Unfortunitly, I could see Rico killing (once) someone who is down.

Biggest example from the movie would be:

Rico killing Rasczak to save him from the bugs.

The big thing here to remember is Rico killed someone From his own side/team/whatever. He did not kill a bug here.

There is a significant quote from the movie that [c]my drill sergeant told me

that makes a lot of sense with the flavor of my role, but I am hesitant to repeat it for fear of breaking the rules.

I have a large feeling Guardian is lying. His unquotable quote that clears him isn't said by Juan Rico. It's said by Lieutenant Jean Rasczak. And again, Rico would never kill someone who was helpless.

He never said it was said by Rico. You phail. Then again Rascazak was not a drill seargent either. he was in fact the squad leader, or "lieutenant" to be more accurate.

So heres what I think about the role. We accept it for now, and continue on with whatever. Once we get another candidate to L-2/L-1 or whatever we have Guard try to kill them. To me it fits with the role, the movie, whatever. Guard, I would chck with the mod (if you really are Rico that is ) about if it means you can only vig people at L-1. That is the equivalent of about to die so shoot me so the bugs don't get me blah blah blah.

[DizzyIzzyB13]

If a mercy killing is what inspired the flavour, then is it possible that you can only vig Town-aligned people who are close to being lynched? Or is that what people have said so far and I don't get it? I mean, that'd make sense. Then if you tried to vig someone who was about to be lynched and it didn't work, that'd coinfirm them as scum.... right?

Or maybe I'm just confused.

[Guardian]

[There is no reason town should ever leave something out when caliming.

This is patently untrue, fyi. Most of the rest of your post I agree with.

[WhoMe?]

So heres what I think about the role. We accept it for now, and continue on with whatever. Once we get another candidate to L-2/L-1 or whatever we have Guard try to kill them. To me it fits with the role, the movie, whatever. Guard, I would chck with the mod (if you really are Rico that is ) about if it means you can only vig people at L-1. That is the equivalent of about to die so shoot me so the bugs don't get me blah blah blah.

So we get another candidate to L-2 or thereabouts, and we don't ask for a claim, we just set Guardian on them? That is BS, I'm notliking you or guardian at the moment. Anyone else think this is a good plan?

[Korlash]

Wow Major reaching and strawmanning there Who. that's gotta be the stupedest thign I vere heard you say.

First off it will be a town consensus when and who to kill. Duh. So if a claim is needed it's asked for first. if found unbelievable it is voted on if we kill or not. jeese...

[WhoMe?]

Wow Major reaching and strawmanning there Who. that's gotta be the stupedest thign I vere heard you say.

First off it will be a town consensus when and who to kill. Duh. So if a claim is needed it's asked for first. if found unbelievable it is voted on if we kill or not. jeese...

which bringsup my other question.

Crappest power role ever.

Stand back! I am limited vig man, I can kill people who are at L-1, thus ending the day early!.

ummmm so can I early vig man, by, you know, hammering.

unvote vote Guardian

I'm really really not buying it

of course it could just be that the working theory of what constitutes incapacitated is wrong, but I still don't like the claim, not for the name, but for the power that he is claiming.

[Guardian]

I find the above vote bullshit, and very likely to come from scum.

Kill: WhoMe?

Did it work? Doubtful.

vote: WhoMe?

if not.

[Cavebear with a toothache]

WhoMe?: If that's how the role works, at least we'd have a confirmed excellent person/townsperson. Plus it's almost like he'd have two votes.

I dunno though... Guardian, your pm indicates that it would be obvious if a person is incapacitated, right? Well, I don't think we've had a votecount with anyone at L-1 (Lloyd went from L-2 at one votecount to lynched at the next) so that would be easy enough to check if that's it, we just have to get someone to L-1 and avoid to hammer that person before we've had a votecount. I kind of doubt it though; incapacitated seems to me like it's a status that would prevent the person from taking action, and that's something the person would have to know about. If being put at L-1 makes you incapacitated, I'm thinking it'd be in the rules.

[WhoMe?]

WhoMe?: If that's how the role works, at least we'd have a confirmed excellent person/townsperson. Plus it's almost like he'd have two votes.

not even quite as useful as 2 votes, more like a vote and a hammer. I would buy it more if he hadn't specified it were one shot. It's just completely sucky power, and I think it's bogus.

[Korlash]

While I won't agree it's a sucky power, I still think the mod would confirm what incapacitated is. So as it sits Rosso better have a pm in his box asking about it and once he gets around to doing a vote count it should be answered.

[Guardian]

This just in: It will be explicitly stated by Rosso Carne if someone ever gets the status "Incapacitated".

So right now, we can be assured that no one is incapacitated.

I can post kills all I want, but they won't do jack right now.