Mini 574: Portal Mafia: HUGE SUCCESS

[Guardian]

It would lock the scum in to a claim; presumably we are in the day before lyol, and I'd rather people are forced to claim today rather than tomorrow.

Put another way: I see very few possible disadvantages to mass claiming.

[Incognito]

Exactly what Guardian said.

How are mass claims typically done? How is the order determined?

[Gorrad]

Ok, I follow. Usually the order is determined randomly.

[Guardian]

I'd be comfortable with Gorrad choosing the order.

In absence of confirmed townies, there are multiple ways to mass claim:

popcorn style: A nominated person starts, they choose who claims next, ad. infinitum. generally, I highly favor this when few scum remain.

random: obv. I generally favor this when many scum remain.

agreed upon non random list: I have come to dislike this, as it has never worked out beneficially for me, and I've used it twice as town.

I'd say we go with whatever order Gorrad picks -- assuming we all agree to mass claim.

[Gorrad]

I'm good with any of abovementioned choices. Should I be chosen to make the list, I'll use the d20 in my pocket.

[Your Worst Nightmare]

I don't see any huge benefits to it, could you explain your reasoning?

I guess it can't hurt.

Do I need to claim? If so, last I presume?

[Ether]

I thoroughly agree with the massclaim.

But if it's all the same to you, I'd like to go after Guardian and Incognito.

[Guardian]

I am OK with whatever Gorrad decides. But rationally, every player would 'like' to go after every other player. So...

[Incognito]

Honestly, it doesn't matter when I claim. I don't mind going first, second, third... whatever. But I'll wait for Gorrad to decide the order and for Miztef to agree with going along with it.

[Gorrad]

Guardian, Mistef, Incognito, Ether, YWN

Not including myself, as I have already claimed.

All results determined by d20.

[Guardian]

Hider.

Night 1, no hide.
Night 2, hid with Gorrad.

Gorrad is 110% town.

Miztef, you're up.

[Your Worst Nightmare]

Uh oh. Somebody cut the cake. I told them to wait for you, but they cut it anyway. There is still some left, if you hurry back.

Someday we'll remember this and laugh, and laugh, and laugh. Ohhh Boyyy. Well Miztef, you may as well come on back now.

[Miztef]

I am a vanilla little townie. I have nada abilities.

there is actually quite a few odd roles out there, I feel like being vanilla makes me seem more scum like lol.

[Incognito]

All right, I guess I'm up then. I'm the

vigilante

.

On Night 1, I killed The Jester and on Night 2, I killed scotmany12.

The reason why I wanted the massclaim is as follows:

We essentially have two confirmed townies in Miztef and Gorrad since Gorrad is the Gunsmith and Miztef was investigated by Gorrad during N2 and was determined to have no killing ability. I am pretty much confirmed by the kills that I made (if you have any questions as to why I chose my targets, feel free to ask me). That essentially leaves two people who are unconfirmed: Guardian and Ether.

If we assume that we have a three person scum team, we know that two of them have died already and were revealed to be Goons. I don't think the remaining scum would be a Mafia Roleblocker. My reason is both Gorrad and Mach-Mafia were able to perform their night actions, and I would think that a Roleblocker would have blocked their abilities. My guess is there are three possibilities on the roles of the remaining scum:

1) Another Goon. I find this unlikely considering the fact that we now know we had a Weak Doctor, Vig, and a Gunsmith.

2) A Godfather. My guess is if the remaining scum is the Godfather, he/she is likely to be unnightkillable. I think that's the only way for the remaining scum to counteract my killing ability.

3) A Traitor. The reason why I include this possibility is I could see a traitor being implemented to counteract Gorrad's investigative ability. Because of that, I think YWN shouldn't be considered fully confirmed yet even though he was found to have no killing abilities during N1 by Gorrad. I could think of the possibility where YWN is only allowed to kill after the two Goons die.

Therefore the way I see it, we should lynch one of either Guardian or Ether today. If he/she is scum and that ends the game then great, we have ourselves a town win. If he/she isn't scum, then at least I can get my shot off hopefully killing the other one of the pair even if I'm chosen as an NK. And if it gets this far and no kill happens tonight and two bodies aren't seen tomorrow, then we can probably assume that I targeted an unnightkillable Godfather. Either way, we're practically guaranteed to have two confirmed townies at end-game which should lead to a town win unless there is something I'm overlooking.

Lastly, the other reason I wanted to claim now is because I was worried about an end-game scenario where the scum is still alive (possibly due to the unnightkill ability) and where I was forced to claim my role. I didn't want a scenario where someone would either counterclaim me leaving it at my word against their's or a scenario where people think I'm a serial killer. I think getting it out in the open now that I'm a vig circumvents those possibilities.

Let me know if you have any questions or comments about any of the above.

[Guardian]

Everyone: No comments until we're done.

Ether, you're up.

[Ether]

I'm a roleblocker. I blocked Tornado/Guardian on Night 1 and Ever on Night 2.

I knew when Gorrad came out with his information today that Incognito was the second killer. I wanted to make sure he'd actually claim vig, but I do pretty much believe him.

[Guardian]

YWN, you're up.

I have a question for Ether -- after YWN claims. YWN?

[Guardian]

Until school's out (Early May), expect my dedication to mafiascum to suffer, perhaps greatly. Then I'll have little access at all for a week. Then I'll be back in full swing. I'm posting this notice in all games I'm playing; sorry if my activity suffers.

[Guardian]

There's no harm in asking now, I guess:

Ether, WHO did you block night 2 exactly?

Probably best to respond after YWN claims though.

[Your Worst Nightmare]

I am vanilla town. The reason why my post #455 transpires that I have an ability was to force the last scum to claim a weird role. Which is why Guardian feels funny to me at the moment. Nothing founded, really just a feeling, but I'll re-read the thread when I am able to and see if I can find something.

[Gorrad]

There's no harm in asking now, I guess:

Ether, WHO did you block night 2 exactly?

Probably best to respond after YWN claims though.

She said it was Ever. Ever is Scot.

[Guardian]

Ah, thanks Gorrad.

Ether, what did you mean by "other" killing role?

YWN, I didn't get that at all from #455, but um, whatever. Also, I'm not sure "weird role" is at all indicative of scum in this game, and I'm unsure why you'd think that... Weak Doctor, Gunsmith variant, Hider... none of those are your standard mini inclusions. What made you think "weird power role" would be suspicious in this game?

Ether's claim seems fishy. She wanted to claim last -- and she ends up claiming a RB who targeted me night 1, the night when Tornado took no action, and on scot night two, a dead vanilla townie. It's like a cop who only targeted dead people; she's a RB who only targeted those who took no actions. Could be legitimate, could be scum trying a convincing fake claim.

I'd like to note that since I did claim before her, and had absolutely no way of knowing she was a RB, if she is, in fact, a RB, my not having hid night one is pretty good proof that I wasn't making up a power role claim. If I was scum and made up some power role that had some action night 1 with a result, I'd be dead in the water -- I'm not, I'm just relaying the facts.

Here's my vision of the best case scenario: Ether is lying scum, is the last mafia [goon, godfather, RB, whatever], we lynch her, we win.

My vision of the worst case scenario: Ether is telling the truth. The town has 4 power roles. One of Miztef, YWN, is an investigation-immune godfather/Gorrad's role only works if that person is actively killing/whatever. Incognito is a serial killer.

The only constant is that Gorrad is definitely town.

What's the plan? Scum-hunt. Lynching Ether very well could end the game, and that would be great -- but we very well could be 1-1-4 right now, in which case a mislynch would be disastrous. Whenever I get a chance, this game is top priority, I'm going to read through with a fine tooth comb and see what unearths.

[Incognito]

I'm a roleblocker. I blocked Tornado/Guardian on Night 1 and Ever on Night 2.

I knew when Gorrad came out with his information today that Incognito was the second killer. I wanted to make sure he'd actually claim vig, but I do pretty much believe him.

I'm inclined to believe this claim over Guardian's at the moment. I like the fact that Ether was able to surmise that I was the other killer based on the information she drew from the thread and through her own abilities if she is in fact the roleblocker.

Ether, what made you target Sir Tornado on Night 1? I noticed in your Post 7 that you mentioned that you could go for a Tornado lynch on D2, but I don't remember you mentioning much about him during D1.

Also Guardian, what are the specifics of your role? I've never even heard of such a role before you brought it up today.

[Guardian]

Hider
My role is what's described there.

Incognito, why do you frame your belief in terms of "either or"? Did you read my previous post? Do you disagree that Miztef or YWN could be scum?

Do you find it irrational for me to consider that Ether and I are both town, YWN or Miztef is scum, and you are an SK? If so, why?

[Incognito]

Incognito, why do you frame your belief in terms of "either or"? Did you read my previous post? Do you disagree that Miztef or YWN could be scum?

I did read it, yes. I agree that YWN could be scum, but I'm less inclined to believe that Miztef is scum. I was under the impression that investigation immune Godfathers are immune to Cops but we don't have a Cop here; we have a Gunsmith. I believe a Gunsmith is a more interesting role to include in a mini-game than a Cop because it doesn't give you a flat-out guilty or innocent result. Instead, it forces you to determine that if you find out someone is able to kill is that person most likely aligned on the side of the town or the scum. Therefore I doubt a Godfather would be immune to a Gunsmith's investigation. I could however see a Traitor being immune to investigation early on (because he lacks the ability to kill at that point until the Goons die) and that's the instance where I could agree with YWN possibly being scum. But Miztef was just investigated last night and Gorrad found him to be clean. Therefore, I think Miztef is town.

Do you find it irrational for me to consider that Ether and I are both town, YWN or Miztef is scum, and you are an SK? If so, why?

See above about YWN and Miztef. I think it's rational for you to consider you and Ether town, yes, if YWN is scum. I think it's irrational for you to consider the possibility of me being an SK. My targets have pretty much gone in line with my suspicions during the day, and I was the one who brought up the mass claim idea to circumvent the possibility of town thinking I'm an SK.

[wifom]

If I were an SK, I would not have done that.

[/wifom]