Thespival Mafia (Denouement)

[Mizzy]

I realize I haven't said much or submitted more notes, but things have gotten busy here since I'm now in my "window" for labor to start at any time (ugh, doctor visits = do not want.) Anyway, my two cents are that CKD is probably town (hugely supported by his little skitzo episode because I just did one of those myself in a different game and fully understand it in this one...he feels like town to me.)

I would like CKD prodded as well, because active players posting = yay for town.

[curiouskarmadog]

uh, I thought I was lynched (was wondering why it didnt say "night")...ok, will answer whatever questions tomorrow sometime, not that it will matter, the town is being lead by a two word faking scum.

[Thesp]

Final D4 Vote Count

Note:

Cult of the Couch Members:

1 (Mr_Gnome_It_All)

curiouskarmadog - 5

(hasdgfas (1), Battle Mage (2), Mathcam (5), petroleumjelly (7), Holy (9))

Battle Mage - 1

(Iammars (3))

hasdfgas - 1

(curiouskarmadog (4))

mathcam - 1

(Beep! Beep! (8))

Not Voting - 4

(Mizzy, Mastermind of Sin,

Cult of the Couch (1 vote)

)

[Thesp]

Well, we're one short of a traditional lynch, but the time limit has been reached, as we're getting near the end of our time here. We've got to finish this game before everyone has to go home, right? That means curiouskarmadog, you've got to show us your card.

curiouskarmadog,

Mafia Scum

, has been lynched.

It is now Night 4. Please have all nightchoices in within 72 hours of this post. Thanks.

[Thesp]

I know some of you have flights to catch, and some need to hit the road to make it where you need to go by any sane hour (not like you've slept enough to be on the road safely anyway! Still, can we just finish this one game?

At least two more people can go home.

Battle Mage,

Jester's Nemesis

, has been killed.

Mastermind of Sin,

Mafia Scum

, has been killed.

Beep! Beep! declares, "That couch looks comfortable! Point your Scepter of Suspicion wherever you like and I'll follow!"

Beep! Beep!

has been recruited into the Cult of the Couch.

Day 5 begins.

With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

[Mizzy]

Well. I can't decide whether CKD's "Omg has is scum-laden" was distancing or a plain bid to come off as more townie. He certainly had me fooled :/

Has, I know you can't say much, but do you have any response to his tirade against you?

[petroleumjelly]

MGIA, explain why you recruited Beep! Beep! into the cult after the town had specifically come to the conclusion that you should not recruit.

[petroleumjelly]

^ Also, I would suggest nobody vote. If MGIA is scum, he may have stolen a vote on the assumption that the scum vote would outnumber town. I suggest people consider this game in a state of LyLo. I would like to doubt that there are 3 mafia left, but it is certainly possible.

I will point out that if there were 3 scum alive last night, they would have

won

if MGIA is scum and a townsperson had died in place of MoS.

[petroleumjelly]

hasdgfas, did you receive an ability last night?

[petroleumjelly]

Technical addendum:

I will point out that if there were 3 scum alive last night, they would have

won

if MGIA is scum and a townsperson had died in place of MoS,

and MGIA stole a vote from a townsperson as opposed to a scum-partner.

[Thesp]

• Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. Not even a “Bah!” post.

[Mr_Gnome_It_All]

MGIA, explain why you recruited Beep! Beep! into the cult after the town had specifically come to the conclusion that you should not recruit.

Three reasons:

1) It's my decision to make. Not anyone elses.

2) There's no way that I can trust that anyone who said anything about not doing so is in fact town.

3) There

was

the possibility that if I didn't the scum vote could have outnumbered town. We still don't know how this game is set up.

I know people's arguments have been that scum would just kill me to get their votes back, but between me and another possibly more helpful role, who would the town rather lose at night?

[mathcam]

4) This way is much more exciting to try to work out.

I think PJ has a good point that it might have been a guaranteed game-winner for a MGIA scum team had MoS not been killed, but I haven't really thought this through yet. I need to spend some time placing myself in other people's positions.

Does anyone know what a jester's nemesis is? The fact that the card was hand-written seems to imply to me that a lot of the metas being argued yesterday get thrown out the window.

I agree with not voting.

Cam

[Beep! Beep!]

Having one's vote taken away makes the game very boring for the robbed player.

Have fun...

[petroleumjelly]

Having one's vote taken away makes the game very boring for the robbed player.

Have fun...

Translation: "Having my vote take away is a convenient excuse for me to shut up and try to stay in the corner after it has been effectively shown how wrong I have been about practically everything."

[Beep! Beep!]

Your persistent efforts to discredit me are transparent, scumbag. I believe some of the nightkills were specifically made to show me wrong... so that the remaining scum on my list looks good.

[Beep! Beep!]

But hey, I have to admit I let CKD play with my heartstrings. Never again. My wounded soul will forever be deaf to his cries of agony.

[petroleumjelly]

Right, right -- because I'm sure scum would choose their nightkills just to discredit one single player who does quite a bit to discredit herself during the course of the game already.

What matters here is that before Pooky was lynched, you constantly called CKD "The Jester" -- i.e. you thought he was "scummy" but by calling him Jester you had a justification not to vote for him. After Pooky turned out to be Jester, you instead think that CKD is town; I suppose he must have magically lost whatever scumminess you saw in him. Additionally, you never really bothered to give a scenario where both hasdgfas and CKD were town, so your "opinion" made absolutely no sense.

CKD and MoS took opposite "reactions" to you; MoS portrayed the "I knew Beep! Beep! was DGB all along", and CKD took the "Argh, I should have known Beep! Beep! was DGB!". I am thinking they

both

already knew you were DGB, in part due to you being scum with them.

You calling everybody who calls out your logic a "scumbag" is only shooting yourself in the foot.

[petroleumjelly]

MGIA, explain why you recruited Beep! Beep! into the cult after the town had specifically come to the conclusion that you should not recruit.

Three reasons:

1) It's my decision to make. Not anyone elses.

2) There's no way that I can trust that anyone who said anything about not doing so is in fact town.

3) There

was

the possibility that if I didn't the scum vote could have outnumbered town. We still don't know how this game is set up.

I know people's arguments have been that scum would just kill me to get their votes back, but between me and another possibly more helpful role, who would the town rather lose at night?

1.)

If you are town, then I do think it is the town's decision to make. A directed Vig does not change their choice overnight simply because "they make the decision" -- if they do they are not too good of a player (even, I would argue, if they happen to hit scum). If you want to make a choice like that, you ought to be arguing about it ahead of time instead of doing it leaving yourself discredited by not following the guidelines to which the town had agreed.

2.)

You might not "trust" what we say, but a little common sense goes a long way. Your role hurts the town more than it helps the town. Even if you managed to steal a vote from scum, having you killed just replaces the vote and you turn out to be ineffective. Stealing a vote from a townsperson could be disastrous. And of course, if you are scum this was highly convenient timing for you.

3.)

Not really buying this. Two Doctors are dead -- it is probably safe to say that there are very few (if any) ways a player might survive a nightkill in this game. If the scum outnumbered the town today, then in order to keep the game going you would need to (a) have stolen a vote form a scum, (b) be able to lynch a scum, (c) be able to have a scum night-killed while you were also killed which gives your vote back to scum anyways.

Your decision was terribly bad as town, and terribly obvious as scum.

[hasdgfas]

1813 scummy

[petroleumjelly]

hasdgfas, did you get an action last night?

[Beep! Beep!]

You calling everybody who calls out your logic a "scumbag" is only shooting yourself in the foot.

Lynch me. That way, we can BOTH be pathetically wrong.

[hasdgfas]

surprisingly.

yes.

[Beep! Beep!]

1813 scummy

OK, vote for me and lynch me.

[petroleumjelly]

The problem, my dearest goofball, is that I may need to lynch MGIA first. If he is scum and steals another vote overnight, then the town could easily be put into a {3 votes} v {3 votes} situation, or worse.