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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Alisae lolbalance
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I need to finish that :/In post 447, Lycanfire wrote:Alisae's bit about rolecards or whatever should probably get a page too.| here.GTKAS-
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Mathdino Survivor
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Category:Articles has finally been blanked, with all articles filed under "Play", "Views", "Modding", and "Wiki" (with wgeurts's scummer page guide).
Now creating subcategories for Townplay and Scumplay articles. Should help ICs in newbie games not have to type their own guides out over and over.-
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Quick search shows it's been used in over 7k posts on MS and plenty are from this year. I don't feel like the fact that you don't like the term is sufficient reason to remove itIn post 447, Lycanfire wrote:PbPAAlt of Ariel | MafiaScum wiki volunteer contributor & sysop | Identity (Mish Mash) is back | Speakeasy Secret Santa
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Mathdino Survivor
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Looks like I just ran into you helping out with the categorisation Lycan, thanks
I found the template {{Outofdate}}, and I've been using it on articles around a decade or so old that don't really seem to apply anymore. A few do, to be sure (I don't think general charisma articles will ever go out of date), but I'm using my best judgment and anyone can reverse or update articles if they disagree.
And yeah, I agree with Kitty on this. Removing PbPA is like removing OMGUS. Not liking it isn't justification for removing it altogether. I still see that used.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Mathdino Survivor
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@Lycanfire: The Article template wgeurts created automatically adds the page to the correct article subcategory just by putting a value in the Type section.
I'd like to modify it to allow multiple types in the template a la the Open Setups template, but for now, you shouldn't have to waste your time manually adding those categories.-
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Lycanfire Mafia Scum
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Mathdino Survivor
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Simpler than I expected. The articles template now allows the input of multiple types just by using Type2, Type3, Type4, etc. Should no longer need manual entry of categories at the end.-
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Mathdino Survivor
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In a rare moment, a new page on mafia theory has actually been uploaded: Self-voting
Hopefully it might be of some use to ICs.
Redirected Fong's Gambit to a subsection, and described the controversy surrounding it in accordance with current meta. Also added it to Gambits and Tells (noting that its use as a scumtell is in question).
Are there currently any plays or tells that really need wiki pages? This was the first glaring hole I came across (considering Fong's Gambit is around 14 years old).-
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Mathdino Survivor
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This, but with "Beginner's Guides to Mafia".
There are at least 6 or 7 articles ostensibly written as a guide to newbies, but the combined amount of content is insane, and the wiki doesn't appear to particularly endorse any of them. Seeing as the only way to really find them is to be searching through the wiki yourself, I don't think many newbies read these guides or get much out of them until they're skilled enough that they no longer need the guides.
Besides, ICs basically repost their own guides in every newbie game anyway.
How do we resolve the 15 competing standards?-
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Alisae lolbalance
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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I've been mentioning role-specific gambits (e.g. claiming Survivor as the last remaining member of a scum faction in multiball, or claiming Vigilante as Unjester) in the play advice for the roles themselves. Do they need pages of their own? Note that many of them haven't got names yet (and some are untested, with others having been tested and shown to be a bad idea).In post 460, Mathdino wrote:Are there currently any plays or tells that really need wiki pages? This was the first glaring hole I came across (considering Fong's Gambit is around 14 years old).
There are also some very basic gambits which don't have pages (or names!), such as claiming Miller in your first post as scum.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Psyche he/theySurvivorhe/they
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just leave them alone?In post 461, Mathdino wrote:
This, but with "Beginner's Guides to Mafia".
There are at least 6 or 7 articles ostensibly written as a guide to newbies, but the combined amount of content is insane, and the wiki doesn't appear to particularly endorse any of them. Seeing as the only way to really find them is to be searching through the wiki yourself, I don't think many newbies read these guides or get much out of them until they're skilled enough that they no longer need the guides.
Besides, ICs basically repost their own guides in every newbie game anyway.
How do we resolve the 15 competing standards?You can't step in the same river twice.-
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wgeurts They/ThemPokédexThey/Them
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I could be talked out of hiatus depending on the circumstancesIn post 442, T-Bone wrote:Well, to give ya'll a sneak preview...we've been discussing the mafiawiki backstage for a while, and we will soon ask for volunteers to overhaul specific parts of the wiki.
You didn't hear it from me though."i agree we should have a rule against wgeurts" -Davsto
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Mathdino Survivor
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hey wgeurts i finally got around to responding to your 2.5 year old request of adding more theory pages
i think we're gonna need a theory portal at some point if you're interested
also im not sure if anyone is responding to my {{deleteme}} requests so-
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
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Mathdino Survivor
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callforjudgement Microprocessor
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When you make a large number of changes at once, it's hard for me to spot that some of them are deletion requests unless you mention it in the edit summary, as I don't have time to check every edit individually and don't frequently check the deletion requests specifically. I'm mostly just trying to clear up after spambots, and you aren't a spambot. So if there isn't a clear mention in the edit summary that you're looking for deletion, it can take a while before I notice the request.In post 466, Mathdino wrote:also im not sure if anyone is responding to my {{deleteme}} requests so
Additionally, due to the site policy for how deletions work on the wiki, I don't delete pages unless it's completely uncontroversial that they need deletion, i.e. a) they're obvious spam, b) they're vandalism/attack pages/ongoing game discussion/anything else that breaks the site rules, or c) their only author requested them to be deleted. See MafiaWiki:Deletion policy for the rules for deletion. Most of your requests don't fit the deletion policy, so I've been leaving them alone for someone with more decision making authority than me (e.g. the site admins) to deal with.
It may make sense to discuss here what sort of deletion policy we want on the wiki for controversial deletions, so that the skittles can implement it. I'm not a skittle, I'm just a spamfighter (and the person who enacts most actual deletions), and it's not up to me to create deletion rules.scum· scam · seam · team · term · tern · torn ·town-
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Mathdino Survivor
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ah, sounds good, i wasn't sure how the deletion process quite worked, thanks for the clarification
i should start ticking the "minor edit" box, sorry about filling up the recent changes list-
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I believe this is what I had seen before when I said there was an existing category.In post 455, Mathdino wrote:I found the template {{Outofdate}}
Close enough. (Same function, more or less.)-
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Mathdino Survivor
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doesn't make it any less deserving of good content
on one hand there's the newbies that flake in the middle of the first game, sure
but then there's a lot of newbies that flake out or can't get to the point of semi-competence after their first 2 or 3 games
i think that "i just played my first or second newbie game" crowd needs a lot more support than it's getting
a lot of newbie games are total shitshows and don't actually teach much-
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RadiantCowbells He/himSmooth CriminalHe/him
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think that's better served by having SEs and ICs actually take an interest in the newbies in the games that they were in and do a better job teaching
no amount of textbook theory is going to replace actual interaction and 1v1 time, it's like teaching anything else2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.
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