California Trilogy - Going to San Francisco (Game Over!)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is for recording purposes.

PRS LLC Official Opening Ratings:

Sell Now:
Gaspar

Sell+:
Mach-Mafia, BBmars

Sell:
None

Hold:
None

Hold+:
Nab, Niv, SensF

Buy:
None

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

[Mr. Grey]

Vote Count:

8 to lynch.

Xtoxm: 5 (Gaspar, Machiavellian-Mafia, MichelSableheart, Niv, SensFan)
Niv: 2 (BBMars, MrBuddyLee)
SensFan: 2 (NabakovNabakov, Rogueben)
Gaspar: 1 (Thesp)
Machiavellian-Mafia: 1 (PookyTheMagicalBear)
MrBuddyLee: 1 (Xtoxm)
PookyTheMagicalBear: 1 (vollkan)

[MichelSableheart]

@MichelSableheart: Why did you have your vote on Xtoxm, unvote him, then revote him in 2 consecutive posts? This slip warrants an FOS: MSH

I unvoted in order to be able to change my list, not to change who my vote was on. Because Mr. Grey gives his votecount in alphabetical rather then voting order, it shouldn't make much of a difference.

[MrBuddyLee]

(Glork.)

Is there some history between the two of you that I'm missing?

I'll let MBL field this one.

I recently called myself a smarmy prick in another game and Glork didn't pipe up to disagree.

In other news, I will not vote Pooky at any point in this game.

Scummiest posts to date, in order. If any of you actually scroll back to these I will be impressed as hell, otherwise this post is for the internet dustbin.

Xtoxm #28
Xtoxm #44
Faerielord #45
Xtoxm #85
Faerielord #80
Sensfan #94
Rogueben #78
Nabokov #67
Niv #89
Gorrad #27
Xtoxm #26
Xtoxm #93
Volkkan #45 for tl;dr on page 2 what the hell
Faerielord #66 for overreaction to #45
Thesp #57
M-M #60
Gaspar #116

...
Honor roll:
Pooky #195
Primspar #97
Thesp #121

vote: Xtoxm

, Faerielord, Sensfan, Rogueban, Nabokov, NiV, Volkkan, Thesp, M-M, Gaspar, Pooks

[Gaspar]

Honor roll:
Pooky #195

I am surprised that you can already tell that a FUTURE post of Pooky's makes the honor roll. If it were anybody else, I'd probably praise them for having such amazing insight. Alas you are MBL, so I'm just going to accuse you of h4xx0rz.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Was that Glork or Primate?

Quick. Don't even think about lying.

Tell me right now.

[Gaspar]

'Twas Glrok.

ps: MBL, #97 was Glrok also.

[MrBuddyLee]

Holy crap, someone actually did the legwork. Glork++

But Primate is stil scummy. After the whole Mr. Grey fiasco last game, I think maybe we should lynch them separately.

vote: Primate

fake edit: invalidated

post-fake edit: Sensfan, why specifically do you find MichaelStablepants so scummy?

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[SensFan]

MBL: This is a large part of it.

Also, in your list, you give No Lynch equal preference to all players except me and yourself. Bit hypocritical, no?

Way to try and accuse me for not correcting the default of a system I said I didn't understand.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

@ Pooky: Do you have any reasoning for your suspicions and non-suspicions, especially those in Posts 118 and 125?

@ MBL:

In other news, I will not vote Pooky at any point in this game.

Is this an absolute and non-retractable statement?

@ Gaspar:

Unvote
Vote: Xtoxm

, vollkan, MBL, Mr Grey, {People}, No Lynch, Gaspar

Why do you consider the mod Mr Grey to be a lynch candidate?

@Vollkan:

Pooky is such obvious scum that he is at 100%. Other players are at 50%.

Now that there is much more content, what are your player percentages?

• Vote: Xtoxm
  
  
• PookyTheMagicalBear
  
• {BBMars, FaerieLord, Gaspar, MichelSableheart, MrBuddyLee, NabakovNabakov, Niv, Rogueben, SensFan, Thesp, vollkan}
  
• No Lynch
  
• {curiouskarmadog, Gorrad, IH, Nibbler Twins, OhGodMyLife, Sarcastro}
  
• MM

[NabakovNabakov]

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but there's lots of weird stuff going on around Pooky. We have Vollkan in one corner claiming him as 100% scum and MBL in another saying he will under no circumstances vote for him. Is there a joke I'm missing here? I also smell a PR (or at least some intense characterization)

[Gaspar]

@MM: Glork wrote that, but Mr Grey was a lynch candidate in the last game in the trilogy, so no major reason he shouldn't be one in this game.

[Niv]

Vote: Gaspar

, Niv, RogueBen, PookyTheMagicalBear, Xtoxm, Machiavellian-Mafia, {(All players not listed)}, SensFan, No Lynch, Thesp

Kinda curios why you find myself the second most scum in the game.

I don't really agree with Sens' logic regarding no lynch. Yourself is the only 100% confirmed person in this game.

Not to mention that you should have at least some trust in yourself to be helpful to the town. If not, what are you even doing playing? (Unless, of course, you're scum)

I'll repeat myself, I feel strongly that ANY lynch is better than No Lynch.


Also, I don't fully understand the Condorcet method...

I firmly agree with everything stated n this post

Also, just cause i decided it makes sence

Also, i belive that X is at minus 2 right now. anything to say to actually defend yourself scum?

Vote X, {Everyone else}, No Lynch

@ gaspar, if you didn't like springseens old stuff there is a good chance you wont like this stuff. however, i still sudgest you look at it.

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[Niv]

Also, just cause i decided it makes sence

Also, i belive that X is at minus 2 right now. anything to say to actually defend yourself scum?

reading my post, please swap these two lines

[MichelSableheart]

MBL, post #45 was not written by Vollkan. I guess you mean Vollkan #49?

MichaelStablepants

Also, in your list, you give No Lynch equal preference to all players except me and yourself. Bit hypocritical, no?

Way to try and accuse me for not correcting the default of a system I said I didn't understand.

The fact that you don't understand the system is no excuse. The mod has linked to Dantes in Fresno, and in that game he made this post. If you didn't understand the system, you are supposed to find out how it works, rather then saying "I don't understand it, I'm not responsible!".

[vollkan]

We have Vollkan in one corner claiming him as 100% scum

I random voted Pooky. Thus, I

jokingly

called him 100% scum. Same as "Vote: X. Obv scum. Die die die." etc.

Now that there is much more content, what are your player percentages?

Goes without saying that everyone who has not yet posted is at 50%.

BBMars - Minimal posting. 50%
FaerieLord - Minimal posting. 50%
Gaspar - Response to my list was

unique

, but I don't think it was scummy. He did chance his vote over to Xtoxm without explanation. It was just after the fatalism by Xtoxm, and I can't see why he would without trying to tease out Xtoxm's mind a bit more. 55%
Machiavellian-Mafia - Asking questions and he justified his vote for Xtoxm. His response to NN that "I was looking for a reason to bandwagon" is rather clumsy, since he justified it at the time with a specific purpose (testing Thesp's theory) 60%
MichelSableheart - Wordy. Nothing scummy yet. Made a good effort to explain the voting system. 50%
MrBuddyLee - Less wordy. His list of scummy posts is interesting, but I am not quite sure of its point. 50%
NabakovNabakov - He spotted the weird justification made by MM, and the anomaly in Sens' voting list. I'm not sure the Sens thing merits a vote, however, since it is not a necessarily scummy thing to do (eg. you can think two people are scum even if they are at each other's throats). 50%
Niv - His splelling is ungoodly. Other than that, reasonable response to Xtoxm. 50%
PookyTheMagicalBear - I have played with Pooky before. We are at odds when it comes to the giving of reasons, so his play here doesn't surprise me. Pooky, could you provide some sort of justification/explanation for your buy/sell/hold list? Tentatively, since I am paranoid about the reasoning-retentive, 50%.
Rogueben - Jumped on Sens pretty hard for having himself before NL, though that's somewhat understandable. He raised sens ignoring others, which is a better point. 50%
SensFan - Misses the other players who did not place No Lynch last. Doesn't justify why NL is worse than innocent. Doesn't justify his Xtoxm vote, but then goes on to call Xtoxm the "scummiest" 65%
Thesp - Comes down rather harshly upon Gaspar. His response was odd, but not really scummy, imo. 50%
Xtoxm - His pursuit of MBL for lurking was dreadful. He then makes an unsubstantiated empirical claim. He then goes fatalistic. Scummiest so far, but I am wary of a VI factor operating around Xtoxm. It doesn't acquit him, but it concerns me. 70%

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[Xtoxm]

I have nothing to defend against.

[SensFan]

Jumped on Sens pretty hard for having himself before NL, though that's somewhat understandable.

...

SensFan - ... Doesn't justify why NL is worse than innocent.

Are you claiming that me putting myself before NL is a scum-tell? Do you think its more likely that it is an honest difference in strategy, or that I am trying to mislead the Town by voting myself before No Lynch?

The fact that you don't understand the system is no excuse. The mod has linked to Dantes in Fresno, and in that game he made this post. If you didn't understand the system, you are supposed to find out how it works, rather then saying "I don't understand it, I'm not responsible!".

If you notice, I had not even generated a list of votes yet, and had even posted that I did not understand the system. To assume that I was purposely choosing not to override the default assumption that I disagreed with, as opposed to not understand how the system worked, is ridiculous. As soon as it was explained to me, I posted my Condercet list, with No Lynch at the very bottom.

[FaerieLord]

So where does your non-random vote go?

I rarely vote, mostly when I'm not as involved in it.

Faerielord #45
Faerielord #80
Faerielord #66 for overreaction to #45

First one - It was a random vote. I know niv, he knows I joke because of his spelling.
Second one - I cannot really see what's wrong.
Third one - Since he posted the list, I thought I'd tell him before hand that I wouldn't follow it. Not all too much is it?

@Michel. Hadn't read them, but I'll go through them now. Also, you seem to find the fact that sens put nolynch after him. Does the last person in a concordet setup list matter than much?


Also, I'm back

[vollkan]

Are you claiming that me putting myself before NL is a scum-tell? Do you think its more likely that it is an honest difference in strategy, or that I am trying to mislead the Town by voting myself before No Lynch?

No I am not claiming that. Your decision to place yourself before is a valid theory position, but I think it is understandable if people are suspicious of it. I think it is most likely misguided, but honest.

What I consider scummy is:
1) Voting Xtoxm without explanation and then declaring him the "scummiest"
2) You ignoring other players who did the same thing regarding the NL

[Xtoxm]

How have I been scummy? People seem to be making poor excuses to try and get me lycnhed.

There are probably a few scum on my wagon...

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You a n00b?

[Gaspar]

Dear Pookaliciousness,

Why do you think I am of the evil variety? Do you simply fear that which you cannot comprehend? Does my awesomeness inspire jealousy within you? I would very much like to know.

XOXO,
Glorkspar

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dear Glorkspar,

I can smell evil

XOXO,
Pooks

[Niv]

There are probably a few scum on my wagon...

What a redundant statement. no one on day one will ever be lynched without "a few scum" on their wagon

How have I been scummy? People seem to be making poor excuses to try and get me lycnhed.

All of your content has so far been as follows:
random stage
Voting a "missing person"
"Lurker" hunting
one post disscussing concordent
and giving up

Mabye if you tried doing sometyhing heplpful, like scumhunting (keeping in mind it's too early for lurkers) , that'd be dandy.