Mini #556 - The Most Excellent People Ever - Called.

[Oman]

I would like to say that I doubt Korlash as scum for the moment. I just don't think 425 fits with Lloyd bussing korlash for reals at all.

[Guardian]

425 is complete, unadulterated WIFOM.

Using it as ev. for Korlash not being bused is folly.

[PJ.]

I'm gonna have to

Unvote, Vote:Korlash

because he kept trying to derail the Llyod wagon(albeit weakly) by focusing on jester for absolutely no reason. I would also like to

HoS:Guardian

for his action during twilight.

[Thanatos]

yeah, I'm tempted to agree with the concensus here, that Korlash is in no way implicated with Lloyd due to that claim, for obvious WIFOM reasons, and Guardian seemed to be building a case against him on it in Twilight, which worries me.

[lovo14]

Well, welcome Tyhess, hope to hear from you soon.

Mod-note

: Captain...Jack...Sparrow?!

You added him in this game. That's awesome!

qft

yeah, I'm tempted to agree with the concensus here, that Korlash is in no way implicated with Lloyd due to that claim, for obvious WIFOM reasons, and Guardian seemed to be building a case against him on it in Twilight, which worries me.

it too worries me fos guardian

[Guardian]

I'm really confused by this string of FoS's. Can someone explain better?

[WhoMe?]

425 is complete, unadulterated WIFOM.

Using it as ev. for Korlash not being bused is folly.

QFT

why would we trust implicitly the last shot of a departing scum?

[WhoMe?]

Just had a swift reread.

Captain Jack Sparrow dying last night tells us all we need to know on the fictional/non fictional thing.

I still don't like ROTN (now Dizzy's) L-1 vote really early on, but my pick for today is

vote Thanatos

He came out of yesterday looking scummy, and as a bonus there was a lot of voting/discussion on him in Day 1, so a Thanatos lynch would provide information for data mining. I see this as win win.

[Korlash]

Ok first off, I have great reason for my vote on the jester added to my own personal meta. Aside from a few jokes along the lines of "You should just vote jester now" I never really pushed his lynch all that much, just left my vote on him and tried to point out everything he did as scummy. You have to admit I was a little lazy in all of it.

Secondly: Who started the bus korlash thing? Llyod? No guardian. Who was first to bring it up today? Guardian. Who did I say had possibilities of being scum with llyod? Oh right... Guardian...

In short, Completly not-OMGUS but pretty accurately reasoned first to

Vote: Guardian

because he kept trying to derail the Llyod wagon(albeit weakly) by focusing on jester for absolutely no reason.

So you will now vote everyone voting Thantos yesterday then right? And the people who voted for tyhess... which was simply Guardian I believe...

Try again man...

[Guardian]

yeah, I'm tempted to agree with the concensus here, that Korlash is in no way implicated with Lloyd due to that claim, for obvious WIFOM reason

What consensus are you agreeing with? What is your position?

What exactly do you see as the relationship between Korlash and Lloyd?

and Guardian seemed to be building a case against him on it in Twilight, which worries me.

Why does that worry you?

[Guardian]

yeah, I'm tempted to agree with the concensus here, that Korlash is in no way implicated with Lloyd due to that claim, for obvious WIFOM reasons, and Guardian seemed to be building a case against him on it in Twilight, which worries me.

it too worries me fos guardian

Why?

[Guardian]

I would also like to

HoS:Guardian

for his action during twilight.

Why?

[Guardian]

Ok first off, I have great reason for my vote on the jester added to my own personal meta. Aside from a few jokes along the lines of "You should just vote jester now" I never really pushed his lynch all that much, just left my vote on him and tried to point out everything he did as scummy. You have to admit I was a little lazy in all of it.

So you're saying that you didn't try and derail the Lloyd wagon, instead you were lazy and didn't do much at all day 1, including avoiding and not commenting on the Lloyd wagon?

Secondly: Who started the bus korlash thing? Llyod? No guardian. Who was first to bring it up today? Guardian.

Indeed. What does this have to do with me being scum, or you being town? You seem to be just listing facts.

Who did I say had possibilities of being scum with llyod? Oh right... Guardian...

Who did I say had possibilities of being scum with Lloyd? Oh right... Korlash...

In short, Completly not-OMGUS but pretty accurately reasoned first to

Vote: Guardian

Um, no.

because he kept trying to derail the Llyod wagon(albeit weakly) by focusing on jester for absolutely no reason.

So you will now vote everyone voting Thantos yesterday then right? And the people who voted for tyhess... which was simply Guardian I believe...

Try again man...

Korlash, you're trying to have the facts both ways here. Who clearly supported the Lloyd lynch more -- me, or you?

Who pushed a case on the Jester all day and basically ignored Lloyd, and everything and anything else -- me, or you?

[Guardian]

my pick for today is

vote Thanatos

He came out of yesterday looking scummy

Why, in your own words? I agree he looked scummy (see my day one votes) but what are

your

reasons for thinking this?

[Cavebear with a toothache]

*goes to retrieve giftwrapped Preview button from Lloyd's body, hands it to Guardian* Five posts in a row?

I don't really like how Guardian played yesterday. It seems he pretty much flailed around wildly until he finally latched onto the guy with the biggest wagon, who did turn out to be scum and who essentially gave up at L-2. I'm not sure if that was good tactics, pure luck or a bus, but I don't like the fact that Guardian was very triggerhappy (read: votehappy) yesterday but still failed to actually vote Lloyd, instead repeatedly expressing a desire to hammer. And not doing so when given the chance, I might add. What was your plan, Guardian?

As for the Lloyd-Korlash-bus-thing, it looks like WIFOM paradise to me. It's impossible to take it very seriously though; for one thing, Korlash wasn't even voting Lloyd at that point, so he must've felt VERY suicidal to drag a fellow scum with him... But yeah, WIFOM paradise. Who knows. IMO it's useless for case as well as defense.

[Guardian]

*goes to retrieve giftwrapped Preview button from Lloyd's body, hands it to Guardian* Five posts in a row? :?

Sometimes I find it effective to keep responses to individual people in separate posts.

I don't really like how Guardian played yesterday. It seems he pretty much flailed around wildly until he finally latched onto the guy with the biggest wagon, who did turn out to be scum and who essentially gave up at L-2. I'm not sure if that was good tactics, pure luck or a bus, but I don't like the fact that Guardian was very triggerhappy (read: votehappy) yesterday

Mixture of the first two ;).

but still failed to actually vote Lloyd, instead repeatedly expressing a desire to hammer. And not doing so when given the chance, I might add. What was your plan, Guardian?

Literally, like I said, to see if anyone wanted to discuss anything before a hammer. I was in no rush to hammer to 'prove I'm town' or anything.

As for the Lloyd-Korlash-bus-thing, it looks like WIFOM paradise to me. It's impossible to take it very seriously though; for one thing, Korlash wasn't even voting Lloyd at that point, so he must've felt VERY suicidal to drag a fellow scum with him... But yeah, WIFOM paradise. Who knows. IMO it's useless for case as well as defense.

Lloyd's post is a null tell. Analyzing Korlash's play, on the other hand, leads me to believe that Korlash and Lloyd are very possible scum partners, possibly with a side of Thatanos.

[Korlash]

So you're saying that you didn't try and derail the Lloyd wagon, instead you were lazy and didn't do much at all day 1, including avoiding and not commenting on the Lloyd wagon?

I did a lot day one. But none of it was about the Llyod wagon as I thought it was stupid. I didn't push Jester's lynch because I needed more then I had and he doesn't post all that much for me to throw out there.

Indeed. What does this have to do with me being scum, or you being town? You seem to be just listing facts.

yeah and this fact means a couple things. 1) Llyod didn't just decide to WIFOM and "bus hs partner", means you put the idea in his head. Either your his partner and he thought tht was the direction you wanted him to go in, or he got the idea off you and ran with it.

Korlash, you're trying to have the facts both ways here. Who clearly supported the Lloyd lynch more -- me, or you?

Who pushed a case on the Jester all day and basically ignored Lloyd, and everything and anything else -- me, or you?

What does me going after the jester have to do with anything reguarding Llyod? What is this one of those "Oh I knew he was scum all day. See! I'm town!" things yoru going for? Bused your partner now you want a treat?

Also I believe both your questions's answers are me as I clearly suported it more then you as I not only voted but hammered while you did neither.

Literally, like I said, to see if anyone wanted to discuss anything before a hammer. I was in no rush to hammer to 'prove I'm town' or anything.

Your kinda pushing the fact thats your more likely town for just being on the wagon.

Literally, like I said, to see if anyone wanted to discuss anything before a hammer. I was in no rush to hammer to 'prove I'm town' or anything.

Why? Because I hammered on scum while outing the other two? And what, throw Than in to gain support of the people on his wagon? Or simply you jumping on wagons again?

[WhoMe?]

my pick for today is

vote Thanatos

He came out of yesterday looking scummy

Why, in your own words? I agree he looked scummy (see my day one votes) but what are

your

reasons for thinking this?

Mainly the Lloyd interaction

We had the joke claim thing, which is a mark against right there, when people called on Thanatos to explain, Lloyd jumped in to anwer for him. Then throughout the day Thanatos was defending Lloyd in the face of his wagon, and didn't even vote Lloyd after he gave up.

[Oman]

Thought I posted this...oh well:

From the looks of things he seems to direct attention at himself if he's Town, and he isn't doing that now. There were no dice, so his vote on me was hardly random. He has an agenda. For this, I feel a vote is in order to apply pressure, as Town he shouldn't worry, but if he is mafia, than he will crack.

Jester 4th-5th? votes Korlash with a horrible, horrible excuse for a vote. Not only is this flawed, its also hardly unique to scum.

Wow... If I didn't know the way you played as scum I would think yoru town now. But Your not. weird... Means my vote sticks.

IF either of them are scum, the other is.

Urza: For wanting Korlash to be hammered and lynched for no apparent reason. It's page 3, why for the love of god would you want someone lynched right now. I'm also assuming your not a total newb cause I have seen you at MTGS and if I remember correctly, you have mafia over there. Give me a *good* reason why korlash should be lynched.

UA: Simply cause I don't like his joking about Unlynchable scum claims at the 3 spot.

RotN: DO NOT PUT SOMEONE AT -1 WITHOUT A GOOD REASON AND NOT ON PAGE 2 Vote:RotN

The Jester: Awesome WIFOM and really no reason to put Korlash at -2 and I just have a really bad feeling about this guy. Seriously though, who uses the "If I were scum" arguement.

The best post so far. I can't believe people overlooked this. Your lynch should have come from this list.

I am challenging the traditional meta that d1s need to go slow, and also challenging the traditional meta that discussion is always a good thing.

I've found that people who attempt to challenge metas are often town, but often don't give much to the town because its not their priority.

Jesus this is an annoyingly hard read.

He recomended no-lynch, acted pointlessly serious for no good reason at Korlash, and has basicly defended himself in a piss poor way. He really deserves a fourth vote, at least. Vote:Jester

Oh so epic fail.

Last votecount of the day:

{1} Korlash (Guardian)

Intending to switch

{1} Guardian(Thanatos)

{1} DizzyIzzyB13 (tyhess)

Absent and town.

{7} Lloyd (UltimaAvalon, Panzerjager, The Jester, lovo14, WhoMe?, Lloyd, Korlash)

{1} Thanatos (Cavebear with a toothache)


I think the scums are WhoMe? and Korlash.

Is it possible that someone could be both scum and not scum? What about on an Austrian banknote?

[Guardian]

So you're saying that you didn't try and derail the Lloyd wagon, instead you were lazy and didn't do much at all day 1, including avoiding and not commenting on the Lloyd wagon?

I did a lot day one.

Liar.

But none of it was about the Llyod wagon as I thought it was stupid. I didn't push Jester's lynch because I needed more then I had and he doesn't post all that much for me to throw out there.

Insufficient excuse.

Indeed. What does this have to do with me being scum, or you being town? You seem to be just listing facts.

yeah and this fact means a couple things. 1) Llyod didn't just decide to WIFOM and "bus hs partner", means you put the idea in his head.

Lloyd did this before I called him out on it....

Either your his partner and he thought tht was the direction you wanted him to go in, or he got the idea off you and ran with it.

The second one, maybe, is possible -- but that would mean he got the idea to bus you -- his partner -- you're scum.

Korlash, you're trying to have the facts both ways here. Who clearly supported the Lloyd lynch more -- me, or you?

Who pushed a case on the Jester all day and basically ignored Lloyd, and everything and anything else -- me, or you?

What does me going after the jester have to do with anything reguarding Llyod? What is this one of those "Oh I knew he was scum all day. See! I'm town!" things yoru going for? Bused your partner now you want a treat?

Korlash is flailing here guys. I never claimed I was auto-town for getting Lloyd, and I certainly didn't know he was scum all day -- I figured it out only at the very end.

Also I believe both your questions's answers are me as I clearly suported it more then you as I not only voted but hammered

You want townie cred for hammering your partner? You *clearly* supported it? That's laughable.

while you did neither.

More flailing. I supported it *before* lloyd claimed scum, you supported it *after* he claimed scum. Significant difference.

Literally, like I said, to see if anyone wanted to discuss anything before a hammer. I was in no rush to hammer to 'prove I'm town' or anything.

Your kinda pushing the fact thats your more likely town for just being on the wagon.

No.

Literally, like I said, to see if anyone wanted to discuss anything before a hammer. I was in no rush to hammer to 'prove I'm town' or anything.

Why? Because I hammered on scum while outing the other two? And what, throw Than in to gain support of the people on his wagon? Or simply you jumping on wagons again?

More flailing.

Anyone (besides Korlash) disagree?

He should be lynched, this is pretty obvious.

[Oman]

Vote Korlash

WHoops.

[WhoMe?]

Anyone (besides Korlash) disagree?

He should be lynched, this is pretty obvious.

Then why aren't you voting him?

[Guardian]

Anyone (besides Korlash) disagree?

He should be lynched, this is pretty obvious.

Then why aren't you voting him?

That question is difficult to answer.

[Oman]

Anyone (besides Korlash) disagree?

He should be lynched, this is pretty obvious.

Then why aren't you voting him?

That question is difficult to answer.

Use your words.

[Korlash]

I forget what I'm up to... anyways one of you let me know when it's time to claim cause the mod sure isnt going to.

Liar.

NO U!

XD

Seriosuly though, almost everything Guard and Oman said can be answered with "Your Dumb" , "Get over it" , or "What? Was that English?" Insert as needed.

Also Still say Jester is scum. If he ever starts posting enough, you might see it too. Not sure what all this WhoMe? fasination is but I don't see him as scum.


[quote="WhoMe?]Then why aren't you voting him?[/quote]

If you notice he did this yesterday too. Apparently he was strongly for llyod's lynch yesterday and mine today. But going by the vote count you would never know it. i really don't know what to make of it. I mean I could see scum rushing to hammer a dead partner and get some cred. But also keeping off a bandwagon near the end to keep from drawing a cop's attention. At the same time paranoid/careful town might hold off voting to put in as much disscussion as possible. And I could see neutral as doing it to... how to say it... show activity during the day by making cases and what not, but still not doing anything drastic to draw attention at night.

Eh the whole twilight thing plus the speed Guard came at me today just screams set up. But why this early? hmm... Couldn't be the fact I beat him endgame last time we went up against each other... no couldnt be that...