Mini Normal 2306: Mafia PT

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i can't wait to claim scum

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lets just buddy each other openly

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millers -
MikhailTal
Alisae
Flavor Leaf

already at 3/4 and at page 10

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alisae might be lying
Mikhail could be like a cop instead too

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My impressions of Firepup: He's actually solving so he's probably scum.

I haven't played with her. Is she a threat as Town?

She will get townread really hard. As far as getting her preferred elims in. I am not that concerned.
She is pretty good at sorting in general, i kind of expect her to figure me out sooner or later

Pretty good night kill mid to late game

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Firebringer and Dunnstral I don't know these other players. Who do you know is the higher Town threats in this game?

high impact players will probably be: Flavor Leaf, Alisae, and Osuka
Unlikely to get a mislim on: Sakura Hana
Might include Alisae on the second as well but depends on alisae mood to play. Would be difficult to get by brute force.

Norwee is fun to play with and i want to keep alive for as long as possible for my own enjoyment

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He is definitely pushing people buttons. I can't tell if its on purpose or if he is just poorly communicating. I mean probably a bit of both.

My plan right now is to get you both high in townreads. I am totally cool with going out first if we go a bussing route, but I want to setup you two for late game. I don't think we need to buss day 1 though.

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i kind of want one of us to claim they know theres 4 millers for town points.
kind of seeing that backfire. Maybe Dunnstral can claim it.

can discuss more later
dunnstral isn't a hyperposter and the game basically started he should be here later

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Here is some setup speculation

What we know:
4 town millers
1 miller enabler

It seems if i was a betting man, the mod would put the enabler in as our pr to ensure cops aren't op as shit. So I would assume in this setup just purely on chance right now that one of us should probably be faking miller as well to hide in with the 4 millers if we decide to play the whole "theres only 4 millers" and then eliminate in those.

My guess on PR outside of millers is that theres at least one role cop and one cop.
If no role cop there could be two cops, and no protectives. Having so many false positives for cops means the cops are neutered a bit as long as im around.

so i think we are kind of looking at one of these scenarios:
scenario 1 -
4 town millers
1 cop
1 role cop
4 VTs
3 scum

scenario 2 -
4 town millers
1 cop
1 gated cop and or cop backup (limited shots/even odd night or something)
4 VTs
3 scum

Still pretty early but this is where my gut is

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Honestly, I think that could backfire pretty badly. I could see one of them saying one of Mafia could be informed too, or "how do you know?," etc.

Thats not how it would backfire.
Town aren't going to go "how are you informed. Ohhh your scum informed" this will backfire because then we could potentially have scenario of 4 confirmed townies.

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I am starting to think i don't have time for this mafia game. I am probably replacing guys

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gonna stay in game as long as i can guys

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So while the thread is locked might as well put my speculation here:

Alisae is miller
Mik is miller
Flavor Leaf is miller.

There is one more im missing.
I feel if there is a cop in this game i might be check so i might want to crumb miller
i don't how well that plays out since im a player who hates crumbing would anyone believe me if i crumbed instead of claimed it. I think town me would have claimed this so much earlier.

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Good luck

I can be more prolific on the weekends, weekdays are kind of murder right now.

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she is a good night kill

btw the link i sent u was to a town game.
I am wondering if anyone else will even open that link, my guess is zero.

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I MAY start to tunnel you a bit. Please don't take anything I say seriously. I'm trying to claw my way out of their sights.

Go for it

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the will forget about it in a day or two.
and no i don't know what ur main is

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I would argue within FL/Norwee/Osuka/Jason
i think a case can be made on any of them without too much difficulty.

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Like if i was arguing FL scum, I would go for how his reads flip flop fast with no tracking of progression or thoughts, i might even argue if i can find it its solely based on mood of thread.
Osuka, would argue he doesn't have his town energy bringing to the game and is lackluster to the game.
Norwee, would argue his reads don't make sense even from his perspective and he is trying to fake reads/town annoyance.

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btw im directly been trying to get scumreads on myself to eventually just cop claim after getting pressured.
Hopefully find other cop if another exists by cc but i have a feeling this game actually has no cops

Not planning on going down per se. But i am def going for a cop claim in this game.

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its easier to forget ur scum team members than ur alignment.
if u take a long enough break from scum pt. can try writing down 2 other players that are ur 'teammates'
keep repeating that. and u can fool urself into not knowing who ur real teammates are.

i did that once.

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so we have the full list of millers
osuka/alisae/FL/sheeps

Now i wonder how many PRs are in this game. One role cop could be devastating if they start confirming these guys

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I am thinking either sakura or flavor leaf right now
probably just sakura

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I am probably going to get a lot more pressure tomorrow

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Random Nurse goes to kiil Sakura Hana

think its kind of an obvious kill choice.
But theres probably no protectives in this game?

I am not gonna claim cop anymore btw.

Also sakura hana has pretty good instincts don't want to leave her alive that much longer cause then people might listen to her, also not going to be elimmed.


Other choice would be FL but ehhh. W/e.

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I don't know who would be a good night kill right now.

I think we are doing well with distancing at least for me and dunny

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thats how it works sometimes.
we will see how this goes, i actually don't think u will get elimmed today
but i kind of don't see us getting that many townpoints for bussing u.
If dunn switched to hard buss maybe, but me? Unlikely

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Like theres no strong point to bussing if ur not going to look super town imo.
Because people start looking for bussers almost immediately after flips

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i don't manipulate people
i let them fuck up.

much easier

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I think sheep is either the cop
Or flavor is and just faking his result for bravodo

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Didn’t realize I hammered

But looks like I did

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I’m pretty sure u can be a miller and cop same time

But yeah pretty sure sheep is the cop

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sheep insistence on his peek of green on Hua Toa doesn't seem like a "i just really townread Hua" to me.
and he was very reluctant to actually do the hypo claim.

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so do we have a easy path to victory here or something?

Random Nurse
Flavor Leaf
Hu Tao
NorwegianboyEE
Firebringer
bob
Takutai
Roden
sheepsaysmeep
Dunnstral
Alisae

living player list.

We just elimmed Takutai, we could kill sheep which will probably flip cop.

Then possibly flip Flavor?

Lets assume thats our track:
Random Nurse
Hu Tao
NorwegianboyEE
Firebringer
bob
Roden
Dunnstral
Alisae

thats 8 players?
we kill alisae
7 players


we just need one more misflip, probably can just buss here to get some town points because im not worried about us all getting elimmed in a row. But I think we can plan on a bob/Roden final misflip?


Thinking back on this it might be annoying to flip Flavor tomorrow. But we in good shape.

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naah not performing the kill

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that i guarded roden

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how many votes does FL have?

I kind of think we don't kill the cop just to shade bob tonight.

Sorry about the kill guys i had some second thoughts last night but i forgot to post here and just change night kill.
I was thinking sheep was probably not the cop but i didn't have bob pegged as cop.

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I kind of think we don't kill the cop just to shade bob tonight.

bad firebringer
this is dumb we always go for the bob kill and just buss the fuck out of me.

My day plan is to just be scummy, but give enough excuse for town not to kill me because i can 'guard' bob.
Then tomorrow we flash lim me, you two can go on and win the game by elimming in that group that Dunny had shown above.

Also if i can muddy water of our associations anymore that will help.

I still feel like alisae mislim is going to be difficult but i think Roden is a lot easier for u all to pull off

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the game winning plan might just be to kill both me and nurse to go for a ELO of
Dunn/Alisae/Roden
with elimming Roden? I think this is a bit risky in its own right, if we can win without elimming nurse that would be better.

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Firebringer goes to kill bob

Well here we go, both of you buss me tomorrow and I am going to scream and shout that its Dunnstral.

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we are in a pretty good spot overall.
three mislims in a row means we just need one more. We could just buss each other to create just enough distance to get a final mislim.

I def think we just go with just me and you two see how well the next day plays out.
I sort of think no one will buy into ALisae scum once I flip though.

There is potential for another mislim tomorrow but lets not risk doing any weird pushes unless we just see an opportunity to quick hammer someone (doubtful).

We are in a weird position though with so many confirms that means available mislims is very low with only Roden/Alisae slots available to us. I am kind of hopeful that town panics on alisae, but i am also hopeful that alisae just leads the charge on Roden scum with me for ur final game ending win.

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both of the only elimmable slots replace out.
And now we in ELO.

ANything could happen
Crazy stuff.

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we might actually be able to get Titus to misvote aisa for a quick hammer right now lol

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Not sure why Titus thinks votes would be locked

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Jeez are we not going to just elim me today.
Wtf is happening

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should we just buss Nurse here and go in tomorrow to buss me?
I feel like pushing anyone outside of me for bussing leaves us in a very awkward position. if i was bussing i wanted to just go dunnstral.

I feel if i directly avoid bussing i just make my connection to Nurse obvious.
Ugh

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it really doesn't help when all ur buss is vote parking me making it obvious that one of us is scum. But like at this point we just cross vote.

God i think we are so obvious right now its pretty gross

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Firebringer if you survive this day there is the option of no killing. Town doesn't gain anything from it, and may try to no eliminate. The purpose is to make it look like there is an odd-night strongman or roleblocker messing with your role. If town eliminate anyway then we would end up with 4 people alive at the end, 1 confirmed. Which is not terrible - you won't have to make another kill that goes through your bodyguard in that scenario.

im down for this plan if we end up elimming Nurse
I think it only slightly backfires in that Norwee would think that is something i would come up with.

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so we just get one other vote or dunnstral vote nurse and then nurse self hammers to end this day. Go no kill and make it look like theres odd man strongman with the one it being aisa frame?

Nurse flipping informed might help us a bit here actually

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Norwee trying to bait me was cute

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So just go for no kill for the chaos tomorrow?
I am good with that.

EIther that or kill one of Hua/Norwee and u buss me and go for the win in ELO. I kind of feel we have less chance with that one since they seem to know the full team at this point lol. The chaos of no kill might be the best for us.

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Let me know when ur on. I can vote first and you quick hammer it.

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Wait we need one more

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You good with me hammering you?

Plan is i kill Hu and mislim Aisa tomorrow.

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i think i look better hammering but w/e

i am going solo here. With a fake claim of bg. Wild

Norwee will probably not side with me but we going for the gold

I go to kill Hu Tao

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i bet my scum buddies are in the dead thread going
"WTF ARE U DOING FIRE"

meanwhile im just doing random yolo things to see what i can make happen

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theres a part of me who wants to a try hard fake solving of the game but ive done that before as scum and just been instant yeeted while doing it. High effort as scum doesn't really net you the same good results as high efforting townie in my experience. where as high effort townie u can still get yeeted, ur more likely to at least get a decent solve out of it.

With scum u have to balance believability in ur fake solving with actually manipulating people to do what u want, and the trick to getting people to do what u want is to make them think u don't care what they do and thus more prone to ur influence.

Either way, i think my best bet here is very low with aisa voting with me. My big hope is norwee will just side with me hell or high water and come to aisa scum by thinking im more likely town. My method of doing that is going to be bullying him. Because even if i fail, at least i will have fun being mean to him (love you norwee)

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Welp. I lost
I can still have fun though.

Continue to try to gaslight norwee by saying he is a liar and that he knows it.

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Norwee trying to do dunks on me is so adorable

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I love how i am keeping up a performance even when im dead to rights caught and there is no way i can win. This is extremely entertaining to me.

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like ngl, it is kind of annoying this is how i lose. final 4 and a guilty on me. Like, if i lost because Norwee just voted me, fine. Perfectly thought that was how it might end up.

This is just comical and now i am just relishing how silly this game was.

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And thats game. Time to begin post hammer trolling.
Got to milk the fun out of this