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For midrange decks, the BG shell is so much stronger than Jund at the moment. That said, you need a third color to actually close the game out. Last week, we saw the BUG list do work, but I think a red splash is stronger--while it makes you weaker to board wipes, Wolf Run is just such a stronger win con than Drownyard and Tamiyo, while Rakdos's Return makes the control matchup a joke. I've personally been piloting the deck to consistent top placing here in DFW.
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Post rotation, RG loses Hellrider, Pillar, and Flinthoof Boar. However, Kalonian Tusker is a card, as is {Scavenging Ooze, Gore-House Chainwalker, Brushstrider}, Shock is coming back to replace Pillar, and the four drop spot already has a couple options(Ogre Battledriver is the biggest one, I imagine), this is not even including whatever Theros brings to the table. I guess it loses Lightning Mauler, too, but you probably shouldn't be playing that card anyway--Firefist Striker is much stronger.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I know, "dies to removal" is typically not a good argument. In the case of auras, though, I feel that making it exceedingly easy to get 2-for-1'd in a deck that typically will end up getting 2-for-1'd is a losing battle. With Rg being one of the bigger decks in the format, everyone has spot removal of some sort, and I just can't really see the justification for that kind of soul-crushing card disadvantage.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I don't feel we're going to come a consensus here, but I have never really felt good about Madcap Skills. It's just so easy to play around, even if they have it. Feel free to disagree, but, like, I know my stats and skill level, and I think the card is near-unplayable. Like I said, there is a place for it--if you can draft the all-in Boros(or WBR) with E-Armor and Trained Caracal(a card I'm sure most of you would tell me is unplayable) and I'd say it's the perfect two drop, because that deck wants to go all-in.
BTW, you definitely don't play Madcap Skills in Grixis Control in draft. That's a deck that wins based off card advantage, and Madcap Skills doesn't do anything you want it to.
In any case, I guess I'll refrain from talking about RG aggro in standard. It's fine anyways--I play Jund.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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She's like a super-Domri, giving reach to aggressive decks with her 0(which is the ability you should be focusing on). Think of it this way--Domri only draws a card in the relevant decks like 50% of the time, while she will always draw a card and if you hit a land patch, she helps you get through it.
Her main competition is Jace AOT, but she gives functional card advantage to a more aggressive midrange deck, like the Naya lists or a slower RG list perhaps. I dunno, she seems really deceptively powerful to me.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Bant aggro's been a player for a while. Not tier 1 because its kind of weak to a lot of the same things as Rites is, but fizzles out a lot sooner. Also, very weak to Voice. Deck's nut draws are the nuttiest, though, and the deck has a ridiculously high skill cap.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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+1In post 2961, Thestatusquo wrote:Standard right now is absolutely horrendous.
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Infinite mana fixing lets decks do bullshit like going Strangelroot Geist->Geralf's Messenger on curve. While there are a ton of archtypes, they all play rather similarly. Like(I know I'm simplifying a little here, but bear with me). There are really four types of decks--Sphinx's Revelation decks, Thragtusk decks, Blood Artist decks, and Burning-Tree Emissary decks. Revelation decks want to draw millions of cards, counter their opponent's threats and with with Aetherling(Esper/UWR/Bant/UW/Grixis control, Omnidoor), Thragtusk decks win by just playing a bunch of great cards and win by having better cards(all the Green based midrange decks-Jund, Junk, Naya, Prime Speaker Bant, GB Mutilate, even if they don't run Thragtusk like some of the newer Naya shells, the Advent of the Wurm-based flash deck, as well as Rites). Blood Artist decks are the only ones that have any synergy, really, with tons of sacrifice triggers and overwhelming the opponent with 1/1s and 2/2s(RWB Aristocrats, GWB Aristocrats, Zombies), and Burning-Tree Emissary decks are all about flooding the board early and going under the other deck's heads, winning on like turn four/five(All the aggro decks, from RG to Naya Blitz to Jund Aggro, some of these don't run BTE, but it's similar in principle). All the decks win the same fucking way. There are a couple of decks that are outliers, I admit--the UGx tempo and WG token shells beings the most prominent, but they are decidedly, like tier 3 at best.In post 2966, Fate wrote:What's so bad about standard exactly?
Ravnica-Time Spiral is my answer for both, and it was because there were about a thousand archtypes AND they all did different things. There were legit combo decks in Dredge and Dragonstorm, hardcore control shells in Teachings Control & WU(won with Teferi lockdown and Skeletal Vampire), control with a combo finish(Pickles), the OG soul sisters with Martyr-Proc, along with early Death and Taxes variants(Mangara of Corondor+Momentary Blink!), about six variation of red aggro ranging from RDW to Sligh to RG to Land-destruction based, suicide black was a deck with Bob. The thing is, that format had just as much mana fixing(shocks, painlands, storagelands, future sight duals, and farseek were all in the format), but due to Blood Moon/Magus of the Moon and the painland's natural clock made running these 3/4/5 color abominations much more difficult and costly. I mean, they still existed, but it was much more balanced. All these decks also were just very different, had hugely variant gameplans, and won in hugely different ways.Pie just listed over a dozen archetypes that are viable, when's the last time that happened? What's the last standard format you enjoyed and why?Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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It's the classic "new boots" problem. Sure, a nice pair of boots will last one forever, but a nice pair is really expensive. So, instead, a poor person has to buy a cheaper pair of boots that will wear & tear faster because they can't afford the nice pair.In post 2976, Thestatusquo wrote:I wasn't talking about efficiency. I was talking about total cost. And using that rubric its 100% incoherent to say 'I don't play legacy because its too expensive.'
Something like what you just said might be true. I don't know. I do, however, know that the amount of enjoyment I get out of playing legacy is greater than what I get from playing standard by orders of magnitude,
EDIT: That's nothing to say of the various tastes, some people like standard because it is a rotating format and such.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Okay, scgiq next Saturday. Being the first day M14 is really legal, what do you all think is gonna be big? My group is saying Xanthrid Necromancer-Aristocrats is the sleeper that's gonna take the tournament, but I'm unsure. I suspect a downturn in rites due to Lifebane Zombie and the Ooze, but otherwise open. Hexproof is also getting huge with Gladecover and Witchstalker to a lesser degree, but my meta is distinctly full of the type of people who hate hexproof. Revelation has been dormant in my meta, and I kinda suspect it to stay that way. Jund is Jund is Jund and is probably my #1 enemy.
Im thinking a black-based control deck might work well. Doom Blade is obvious, of course, but other cards of interesting value are Burning Earth, Corrupt, and Lifebane Zombie. I think the meta will be slow to adjust to Burning Earth, and mono black is the only deck positioned well enough in the format as of now to actually utilize the card. Lifebane is sick, of course, since like every deck that plays creatures plays green or white ones--even hits Ghor-Clans in RG. Corrupt is a bit much odd, but one of the problems with Mono-black in the past year is that it's a control deck that has to win with creatures, meaning it has a lot of the same weaknesses that the aggro and midrange decks did. Corrupt will likely just hit for infinite. In short, I'm think a revise of Conley Wood's PTGTC list. If hexproof flares up like I think, this is the only deck in the format that can actually main deck Lililana without hating itself. Him...
The other deck I'm considering is a ur Epic Experiment deck. Now, I'm not one to hop on these tacky combo decks, but Young Pyromancer is a hell of a card and really enables Infernal Plunge and Battle Hymn, which fixes some of the problems with the deck. The decks hits an awkward spot in the meta where no oneis really prepared for it , and the dearth of counter spells due to Cavern means most won't be able to interact really at all. Win condition is either Burn at the Stake or having Young Pyromancer do his best Empty the Warrens impression.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I mean, I hate this format too, but to say that blinking Thrags is the reason the format sucks is kind of blatantly false. Don't get me wrong, Restoration Angel was a huge mistake and should never have been printed, but the real problems with the format are easy mana, too much life gain, and bad removal.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Ignore him, he hates everything.
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Oh no, I got that you were joking(or making a protracted reference to miracles--something I know you hate). Doesn't change the truth of my statement.In post 3065, Thestatusquo wrote:It's funny because you totally don't get it.
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I agree it's not drownyard, sure. I think it depends on the rest of Theros and the format. If UB get something that can boardwipe, or if the meta is slow enough, I think Ashiok has a place in the main. If it's a fast format, then no, it's sideboard tech.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Swan Song is pretty good. Not amazing, but solid.
The Weenie dude is kinda weak. 2/2 Double Strike with no abilities isn't terribly good. It might see play, I guess. I'd rather have Fiendslayer every day though.
Dissolve is obviously good. There went any chance of Render Silent ever seeing playNatirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I expect a lot of Delver v B/x control v Affinity in the near future. Affinity's probably better than Stompy now because getting out of Spinning Darkness/Disfigure range is key.In post 3647, Sudo_Nym wrote:Still not taking action against Mono-U control, I see.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Um, I dunno, man, Delver was definitely NOT dominating the format--FissurePost was. I actually don't think this is arguable. Don't get me wrong, Delver was competitive--probably the second best deck after FissurePost--but it wasn't destroying the format.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Alright I played a real slow BG deck to a second place finish. I didn't have any super bombs besides Abyssal Underlord but just a bunch of solid mid game creatures and Hero's Demise. I mostly did the classic Rock thing of trade 1-1 and then restock with COMPLETE all star, Pharinka's Mender+March of the Returned. Dude who beat me in the finals was playing Thermos Block Constructed Minotaur Tribal. Worst part was stabilizing with Abyssal Underlord, then having your opponent double Spark Jolt the tokens, making you sac the Underlord. Didn't pull anything super sick, but got a bunch of utility cards- 2 RG Temples, Anger of the Gods, Hero's Downfall, Swan Song. Its a start.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I only had two bestow cards in my deck--Boon Satyr and Nylea's Emmisary--so my perception is probably skewed, but it was really really good whenever I cast them. I can imagine so of the nymph cycle kinda sucking, especially the white one(although Knightly Valor was a pretty good card).
The scry 1s were all sort of disappointing except Witch's Eye, which I think is more due to being reusable and a mana sink.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Been messing with Theros on the 'cock lately. I know that Cockatrice isn't known for it's high skill level, but I've actually played a lot of solid decks the last few days. Been messing with UB control.
4 Temple of Deceit
4 Watery Grave
3 Opportunity
1 Read the Bones
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2 Doom Blade
3 Hero's Downfall
4 Dissolve
2 Syncopate
2 Far // Away
8 Island
6 Swamp
1 Warped Physique
4 Jace, Architect of Thought
4 Desecration Demon
2 Mutavault
3 Inspiration
1 Dimir Guildgate
2 Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver
SB: 4 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Negate
SB: 1 Ratchet Bomb
SB: 1 Dispel
SB: 1 Swan Song
SB: 2 Underworld Connections
SB: 2 Jace, Memory Adept
SB: 2 Sensory Deprivation
It's still rough, but working out pretty good. After ~3 days of testing, I've won, well...more than I thought I would. The deck started much more Blue-centric running Thassa as a finisher, but as time went by it just wasn't working--Thassa demands a board presence, which hurts your ability to answer threats. And for god's sake, I had to runClaustrophobia.
Omenspeaker is, as I expected, really good--you don't draw the card, sure, but she also just lets you keep some reeaalllly lose hands, which is something Augur never did. Inspiration was, well, sad, but I tried many variations of draw spells--Pilfered Plans, Divination, Read the bones and even Quicken showed up at times--but Inspiration(sadly) ended up being the one that played the best--turns 3 & 4 are the most important and tapping out for anything worse that wasn't Jace/Ashiok/DDemon/Underworld Connections just wasn't cutting it. The one-of Read the Bones is there for exceptional circumstances, it's served me well and I'm fine with it for the most part. Ashiok is really strong and gamebreaking in the control matchups--sitting there being a drownyard, demanding an answer. In the aggro deck, s/he's decidedly 'not completely terrible'. At it's worst, it's a fog that mills 3(which is bad). In the best scenario, I stole my opponent's Reckoner, played DDemon and locked them out of the game that way.
I removed Aetherling because it was too...win condition-y. In the matches where I would want Aetherling, I was was winning game one because Ashiok and post-board, I was winning via having cards like Hero's Downfall for Jace, MA. DDemon at least demands an answer when it comes down.
The sideboard is mostly tweaked towards control decks, to make sure I completely stomp those matchups. Thoughtseize is not in the main because shocking myself vs the various aggro decks was dumb and didn't feel like a particularly strong play, but as decks skewed toward midrange it becomes much much better. The counter package I'm still tweaking, Swan Song was acceptable since the deck has no problem with dealing with a 2/2, but I think Dispel was better in most scenarios(it's at it's worst vs UW). I might try a 1-1 split of Negate/Gainsay though. Underworld Connections is just obviously good. Jace, MA is more redundancy with Ashiok in terms of winning, I was thinking about Psychic Spiral though over the second copy--that card makes for some ridiculous blowouts. The Sensory Deprivations I just tried out last night and they are terrible as expected. I wish there was some tragic slip analogue in this format. I'd accept fucking disfigure. Viper's Kiss might work in that slot, I guess. Or just throw in two Doom Blade(probably Warped Physique actually) and call it a day.
On the whole, this deck is obviously completely sick vs the Revelation-style control decks. As you slide down the scale toward Midrange, it keeps up being pretty good. The aggro matchup varies between the deck, but the red decks are the worst, ESPECIALLY if they're the BTE/Ghor-Clan version. I'm happy with the performance at the moment and will continue tweaking as I see fit.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Nah, I acually have added a third Ashiok to the board because s/he's so good. I think part of it is the underdevelopedness of the meta, but that -X is so key. -Xing for a Champion of the Pantheon or BTE can be strong. And, as the decks get midrangey-er and controly-er she just gets better--I never thought I'd see the day where I stole an opponent's Erebos, Activated Devotion with a DDemon+Underworld Connections, then beat his face in with it.
The deck does have some problems, though. Like, I cannot actually beat Heliod if it gets through the counter wall(which it can, because turn 4 is typically either a DDemon or Jace). Token swarms are hard if I don't hit Jace--and even then, the token generators in this format are either 2/1s(Master of Waves/Heliod), Young Pyromancer-esque(win with Porphyros), or have built-in pumps(Elspeth). To that end, I've put a Illness In the Ranks post board. I am not happy about it, and I cry every day that Curse of Death's Hold is gone, but Ratchet Bomb just deal well with the generator swarms.
Enchantments in general are a sore spot in this deck--I have the one Swan Song still which I find acceptable, but this is a deck that thrives on 1-for-1s and I can't be creating 2/2 swans very often.
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This is the latest list. I moved the Ratchet Bomb main, but I cut a DDemon for a Psychic Spiral--this was on recommendation from a friend. I haven't actually drawn it yet, but the theory makes sense--it's like a one-shot mill 20 in the late game. I have a feeling it'd be better off as the DDemon, though. Thoughtseize has continued to be underwhelming--I understand I am saying this while at the same time complaining about losing to Heliod, but Thoughtseizes hurt a lot in this deck. I cut a Jace because I felt like he is becoming less necessary with Ashiok around. Underworld Connections is pretty sick, as usual. I cut an Inspiration wholesale because I kept boarding it out vs decks for better sideboard stuff. I think 2 is ultimately the correct number anyways. In any case, I'm going to keep tweaking the list--I love it, grindy decks like this are so fun.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Although I didn't run it(work), my friend took my UB list to FNM tonight. The only changes from the last list were moving Spiral to the side for the DDemon again. He went 3-1, coming in fourth overall. Won vs white weenie, mono red, UWR control lost to this weird ass BR reanimator thing. I'm trying to get that list from him--apparently it involved main deck Tymaret, the Murder King and Tenacious Dead @_@Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I haven't messed with Standard since like September, so this is a first draft. I didn't run mutavaults because I was pretty much running Guildgates over them, I thought.
I don't like more than one Golgari Charm mainboard, although I could do with another in the side prob. Abrupt Decay is likely equally insane-hits so many things in this format(DSphere AND Connections!), and being able to get around small stuff like Judge's Familiar is also really cool.
DRS I just kinda threw in there, I dunno. He seems solid in the mirror--lots of spells and dudes in the yard, Whips to counter, counts towards devotion. I'm not super-attached, though. I've actually been thinking about Illness In the Ranks in the side, lots of token spam right now, be cool to just shut off Elspeth/Heliod/Master.Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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Like I said, just trying stuff out.In post 3901, kdowns wrote:DRS isn't really doing too well in Standard at the moment.
You local to DFW?Natirasha is just a vestige, it's Contessa now.-
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I think Bitterblossom will be fine enough in modern. It will be deserving of it's eventual settling at around $50, but not broken--the sheer fact Abrupt Decay(and Verdict to a much lesser extent) exists will help keep it in check.
DRS was a good ban. I always thought it was super skeevy of Wizards to ban BBE when it was insanely obvious DRS was the problem(I actually hope they take BBE off the banlist again!). I'm hoping the ban helps make hardcore Gifts control/Eternal Command/Dredgevine decks again.
Nacatl is obviously a good unban. Card was banned for shit reasons anyway. As a sidenote, why the fuck is Golgari Grave Troll still banned?
In other news, I'm already liking this standard a lot more. Black's still the top dog, but my group's been testing a few new lists(Wu Devotion, BUG walkers, BG Nighthowler) and they're all doing, well, okay. Wu devotion is gonna be one of the top decks in the format(pick up your Epharas now), I'm fairly certain. BUG walkers got a lot better with Drown In Sorrow(I'm running a 4-2 split of Jace/Kiora), but has slight trouble getting outgrinded by Pack Rat and stuff.
BG Nighthowler is hilarious and what I'm probably playing come Friday. I know this deck was sorta existing before(and very bad), but Satyr Wayfinder fixed the deck quite a bit by giving it a lot more consistency(in Bestow targets & self mill). I've actually been surprised by how successful it's been. I don't think it's Tier 1, but it can definitely win now.
Spoiler: BG Nighthowler list