Magic: The Gathering,GO TEAM MS!

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:16 am

In post 1410, Sudo_Nym wrote:Been getting back into MTGO, since I don't have time to get to the shop much. Twoo's Stinkweed Zombies has been doing well for me, against everything but Cloudpost. I' m thinking of running something like Choking Sands or Evil Presence, but wouldn't mind advice.

@reck: Usually, RDW puts up good results while everyone else is busy experimenting, if you just want a deck until it settles down again.

I do still have my RDW...nothing spoiled so far seems great for RDW though except maybe the 5 Alarm Fire enchantment (aka new Shrine of Burning Rage)

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:16 pm

I've been wanting to play Android:Netrunner for awhile, never had the chance.

In other news, I've put together a temporary decklist for the Boros Humans deck I want to run:

Boros Humans

CREATURES

4x Boros Elite
4x Champion of the Parish
4x Lightning Mauler
3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4x Silverblade Paladin
4x Hellrider
3x Zealous Conscripts

SPELLS

2x Aurelia's Fury
4x Boros Charm
4x Searing Spear
2x Skullcrack

LANDS

4x Clifftop Retreat
4x Sacred Foundry
2x Slayers' Stronghold
4x Mountain
8x Plains

First off...holy shit Boros Charm is GOOD.

Second off... the sideboard would probably include some Bonfires/Pillars/O-Rings, not too sure yet.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:20 pm

DAMMIT FATE YOU BUMPED MY BOROS DECK TO THE LAST PAGE

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:49 pm

There are better things to do on T2 than play that card in a red aggro deck, and if you're running Nobles then they're getting bigger already and don't need the enchantment.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:52 pm

shock and lightning bolt aren't in standard anymore buttons

Though one fundamental problem red decks have right now is the lack of reach, which is why I'm probably running more burn than I should in my RDW.

I'm wondering if Boros Elite is a good card to play in that deck. He's good once you get the Batallion triggers going but as a T1 play she's a dud. Maybe I should play Elite Inquisitors instead but I hate the mana cost. Also I probably would want something for Supreme Verdict in the sideboard, maybe Nevermore?

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 12:54 pm

I'm bored and want to do a draft and play on Cockatrice waaaaaaaaah

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:05 pm

Well what I want to do is get people on tappedout, do a draft, then have people upload those decks into Cockatrice and play through the matches

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:33 pm

I'm just dicking around in solo drafts trying to force decks I never get to force in real drafts atm, so I'll be around for a bit.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:42 pm

do not play nightshade peddler in standard

wipes aren't stopped by hexproof because they don't target creatures

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:42 pm

correction: do not play nightshade peddler in standard unless you're bonding it with izzet statiscaster

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:14 pm

in other news I really wish Cathar's Crusade only cost 4 mana

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 7:51 pm

fate i want to help you build a stuffydoll deck omg plz

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:04 pm

once GTC is fully spoiled, I'd like to do another league to get people used to the new limited format, but I'd like to participate in this one. I can run it/generate sealed pools, if I need to, but people would have to realize that I would generate my own too and just trust the honor system to work

xRECKONERx · Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:49 am

In post 1455, Fate wrote:will GTC eveb be fully spoiled before.pre release

Yes

xRECKONERx · Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:10 pm

In post 1459, mykonian wrote:as far as I know combo's aren't a huge thing in drafts anyway?

And relative card strength is something you'd be able to see somewhat easily, I imagine. You are good at things like that.

yeah this

xRECKONERx · Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:15 pm

my new desktop btw

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:12 am

In post 1474, Fate wrote:Lol is the example I was going to use FOR.a game I already play that satisfies that need, but since its not turned based, I went for dominion instead.

And I have the wrong imPression its not the money that bothers me, its more the lack of creativity. If there's only so many meta approved cards you can play, thats no fun to me.

I want to play MY deck with cards that fit my theme and playstyle, not a meta approved deck you ll see every tournament.
I rather beat someone better than me because my deck surprised them beat someone better because my deck r was better

Eh, you're getting involved during a very cool time for Standard. Lots of things are taking Top 8s now, as opposed to pre-RTR when it was just Delver & Zombies.

But this is kind of why I like to play Limited mostly...it allows me to build a deck with what I have without worrying about needing to dump tons of money into the big $25-$40 "staple" cards in standard. Play enough limited, you'll pick up some money cards, and then if there's a deck you like that fits well in Standard, you'll have the trade fodder to build it.

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:04 pm

I also don't think the implications of what I said were "any card can work in the right circumstance" in a Standard sense...we were doing drafts and people kept asking me if X card was good or not, and without knowing their decks, the best advice I could offer was that it varies based on circumstance.

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 16, 2013 4:37 pm

xRECKONERx · Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:04 am

What about it

xRECKONERx · Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:09 am

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:55 pm

30 tix, ew

xRECKONERx · Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:49 pm

Yeah, if the cost has been paid and you haven't

countered

the spell, then the effect goes on the stack.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:48 pm

Best moment in a magic draft...playing against Ethan game three. He's running mill. My first two lands got chronic flooded. I have one card in hand with four mana. He mills me for four with five cards left. One card left for my draw. Bam. Fifth mana. Play psychic spiral, mill him for 27. Win game.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:07 pm

LANDS

2 Glacial Fortress
3 Hallowed Fountain
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden
2 Overgrown Tomb
4 Hinterland Harbor
1 Steam Vents
1 Plains
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Alchemist's Refuge
1 Kessig Wolf Run

SPELLS

2 Fog
4 Farseek
3 Chromatic Lantern
4 Ranger's Path
4 Supreme Verdict
1 Door to Nothingness
2 Gilded Lotus
4 Increasing Ambition
2 Terminus
2 Sphinx's Revelation
2 Temporal Mastery
1 Omniscience

CREATURES

1 Thragtusk
1 Angel of Serenity
1 Griselbrand

PLANESWALKERS

1 Nicol Bolas

Sideboard
4 Centaur Healer
1 Thoughtflare
3 Thragtusk
1 Planar Cleansing
2 Terminus
1 Temporal Mastery
1 Worldfire
2 Sphinx's Revelation

glhf

xRECKONERx · Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:57 pm

Took 2nd at Standard tonight.

FUCK Thragtusk.

xRECKONERx · Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:10 pm

Eh?

Not really, Mutilate boardwipe T4 is bad news when I have out 2x Ash Zealot + Cackler + Stromkirk

xRECKONERx · Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:11 pm

like Thragtusk forces you to trade down, not to mention having Garruk Relentless out (which he got out super early both fucking games) hurts a lot

xRECKONERx · Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:25 pm

Dropped Conscripts, took Garruk, killed Thragtusk

Too many wolves

xRECKONERx · Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:48 am

In post 1606, Thestatusquo wrote:Why didnt you take tusk and swing at his face? if you had 4 creatures out, 2 of them being hasters, I can't imagine he was at high life.... Furthermore, this makes no sense. He board wiped turn 4 but then he had a garruk in play and a thragtusk? What turn was this?

Different game.

I'm just pointing out my issues against any kind of G midrange matchup. A lot of it came down to the draws, too, but I literally couldn't do anything else. Maybe I was too ambitious with throwing out 4 creatures, but it's not like my Noble could stop Thragtusk.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jan 25, 2013 8:56 am

Tbf Bant auras is less playing magic and more playing solitaire

xRECKONERx · Fri Jan 25, 2013 9:25 am

11 words*

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:15 am

Fate duh I'm blending my RDW and White Weenies deck.

I went 2-2-1. Gamma just rolled me game one with LOL +9+9trample blood rush.

I rocked my match against Dimir. I had a guy kick my ass with Orzohov due to motherfucking Ghost Council + Treasury Thrull (seriously ghost council is too good)

The one match I'm mad about is vs Simic, I rolled him game 1 then we had a drawn out game 2, game 3 I had him down to 8 life with me still at 20, he asked how much time was left, I told him 8 minutes, then suddenly his turns started taking FOREEEEEVVVEERRR. We went to turns, and he turn 5d at 2 life left with my next draw being a Foundry Champion

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 26, 2013 10:59 am

I realize that, but like I've said (because these situations seem to ALWAYS happen to me at prereleases), I feel like a massive douche for calling the judge for anything my opponent is doing that I consider "unfair". It just seems so petty, especially at a casual event.

Oh, first impressions of GTC limited:

- Gruul is by far the strongest guild, both creature & mechanic-wise. Bloodrush is just stupidly overpowered and can easily end games on turn four pretty reliably, even in limited. Bloodrushing onto an unblocked creature is devastating, and it also lets you build a deck where one card performs the role of both body & combat trick/pump spell, meaning you can streamline your decks much easier.

- Boros is probably better in draft than it is in sealed, but I do think Battalion leaves much to be desired unless you luck out and get a ton of 3/4 drops with haste on them. Bomber Corps are only good in groups, and then they become deadly. I think RW is probably the best color pair to draft since you can dip into Orzohov's white defenders and Gruul's red bloodrushers, but Boros as a guild is slightly underwhelming in limited.

- Simic is going to be that one guild this time around that needs to be the only dedicated Simic drafter at the table in order to do well. Simic is all about playing a perfect curve with perfect drops to trigger those evolves, so it's not just about getting cards, it's about getting the perfect cards.

- Orzohov leaves a lot to be desired in my opinion... extort as a mechanic doesn't really do much except help speed up board stalls by a tiny bit. I dunno, hitting your perfect mana drops and your curve is difficult enough in limited, but hitting your curve +1 to actually use extort seems to be a reach. I just don't see how a dedicated extort deck can possibly work. I like Orz more as a splash for other things.

- Dimir is only good if you're milling, and if you're milling, you've got to be dedicated mill. So pretty much like mill in any other limited format.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:06 am

I mean, to be fair, Simic is very combo heavy and does take a while to figure out. It just struck me as odd that he asked how much time was left and then his plays got

very

"complicated". That asshole ended up taking 7th, too... if I had beaten him, I would've played another Dimir matchup (easy roll win for me), then been 3-1 heading into the final round. Probably would've placed 6th/7th.

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 26, 2013 11:50 am

In post 1651, Fate wrote:btw Reck I'll trade you an Aurelia's Fury for 2 Stomping Grounds <.<

nope

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 26, 2013 2:46 pm

if anyone cares to play, me/Gamma/Pie/myko are trying to do a GTC netdraft for lulz tonight, so lemme know

xRECKONERx · Sat Jan 26, 2013 6:32 pm

gruuul is op as fuck in limited guys

xRECKONERx · Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:41 pm

That's actually really really good advice, Shea.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:05 am

you go ahead and take legion loyalists

xRECKONERx · Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:09 am

In post 1676, Fate wrote:Because you're going to run faggots of the parish arent you

you're goddamn right

xRECKONERx · Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:01 pm

In post 1690, kdowns wrote:"All Dragon's Maze booster packs (not just prerelease ones) will have the fifteenth slot, typically reserved for a basic land, filled by a non-basic land. These will be either common Guildgates or rare shocklands and show up in packs at their original rate. It was also confirmed that there is a mythic rare land in DGM that will be in the land slot at mythic rate."

Dragon's Maze Prerelease will only have 1 single promo card and you will apparently be doing something equivalent to the Avacyn Restored Pre Release

Basically, from my understanding:

- You'll pick one out of the ten guilds.
- Each guild has a secret "allied" guild that it is paired with from the opposing set.
- Your Dragon's Maze prerelease set will contain 1 RTR guild booster, 1 GTC guild booster, and 4 GTC regular booster packs.
- Throughout the prerelease, the sets of guilds will work to win matches/unlock achievements quicker than the other guilds. The first guilds to get through the maze get rewards.

The question is if each guild has a predefined "ally" or if it's sort of randomized? I would imagine it has to be pre-set. My prediction would be:

guilds	flavor	mechanics
Izzet/Dimir	The Izzet League pretty much implemented most of Ravnica's technology and infrastructure. House Dimir is sneaky and stealthy, and having help from the people who made the city would be perfect. So why would Izzet help? Well, all we know is Niv-Mizzet is pissed about something. Maybe hiring up Dimir to spy on the other guilds is beneficial to him.	Izzet has ways of pushing creatures through, and Dimir's cipher is therefore easier to trigger.
Azorius/Boros	This seems pretty self-explanatory...both are peacekeeping guilds with an emphasis on justice/law/order/etc, so their working together when Ravnica goes crazy just seems to fit hand and hand.	Boros wants to get a bunch of creatures down to trigger Battallion, and the detain mechanic from Azorius will allow them to safely trigger battallion without swining into unfavorable situations.
Rakdos/Orzohov	Both are cult-like "religious" organizations covering for something much bigger...but the Rakdos cultists are working as the lowest of the lowest class in the city, whereas the Orzhov are the shady ruling class running a racket on all of Ravnica's businesses. Plus, Rakdos's tendency to kill things off in sacrifical rituals plays nicely into Orzhov's ghost manipulation tendencies.	Rakdos plays down all their unleashed creatures and suicides them into the opponent's face, while Orzhov's big bootied defenders with extort hold the lines.
Golgari/Gruul	The Golgari founder has already used the remains of the Gruul founder to make himself a "more perfect" being. Both guilds are "one with nature", so to speak: the Golgari live and breathe off from reanimation using the earth, whereas the Gruul clans are roaming, nomadic peoples who want to take back the wildlands.	Both scavenge & bloodrush play into making your creatures bigger and beefier.
Selesnya/Simic	Both guilds are dedicated to preserving life and peace in Ravnica. With Selesnya's use of dryads to create new life, and Simic's interest in biology and natural adaptation, it's a perfect fit for the two to work together.	Populating big creatures (like an X-X ooze) will not only advance your boardstate, but trigger evolve across the board.

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:52 am

care to elaborate or are you just going to pull a panzer

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:37 am

#1 rakdos players run into a problem of "oh fuck all my low drop creatures are gone, what do i do with all this mana" and extort is a free mana-sink with able defenders, meaning you don't have to be afraid to unleash your creatures and have no blockers to defend with as well

#2 i didn't mean that they both do the same thing so they both synergize, but Golgari had a focus on making unfavorable swings to get a scavenge guy into your graveyard...so now, combat is: either block the scavenge guy and his flier/whatever gets huge, or don't block the scavenge guy and that 2/2 suddenly becomes a 7/6. And Grisly Salvage really isn't that good unless you go dedicated scavenge.

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:41 pm

In post 1699, kdowns wrote:Nope... Dragons Maze will be 6 packs of Dragons Maze

you realize this is incorrect

xRECKONERx · Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:42 pm

I could see them doing "support" guilds, I guess, where Rakdos gets "support" from Orzohov, whereas Orzohov gets support from Azorius, etc.

but the way they phrased it makes it seem like pairings

xRECKONERx · Fri Feb 01, 2013 11:59 am

I kind of know where Fate's coming from...right after I started playing, all I wanted to do was sit down and build decks and come up with ideas, so when I would get stomped by "netdecks", I would get really pissed off about it because it kind of kills the idea of creativity.

Granted, I don't think that way now.

xRECKONERx · Fri Feb 01, 2013 12:07 pm

In post 1740, Fate wrote:
In post 1737, bv310 wrote:Please don't be that guy who bitches about "netdecks". You're better than that.

I'm not. I was bitching that I didn't have an ANSWER to his deck, that was as cheap and common as tragic slip, that no one seems to have spares of around my shop

I have loads of Tragic Slips I think

xRECKONERx · Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:47 pm

Okay so...

Creatures (14)

4x Invisible Stalker
4x Delver of Secrets
4x Talrand, Sky Summoner
2x Consuming Aberration

Spells

4x Hands of Binding
4x Think Twice
4x Dissipate
3x Dimir Charm
3x Shadow Slice
3x Paranoid Delusions
2x Stolen Identity

It's a weird start, I feel like I'm going way too many directions. Maybe throw in some more mill cards + Jace's Phantasm + Jace, Memory Adept. Or maybe go Esper and play Geists + Lingering Souls.

xRECKONERx · Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:54 pm

alternate wincons p good

xRECKONERx · Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:08 pm

That deck needs Champions of the Parish.

xRECKONERx · Sat Feb 02, 2013 4:30 pm

Nah 22 is fine.

xRECKONERx · Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:52 am

Why the fuck was your LGS banned

xRECKONERx · Wed Feb 27, 2013 5:14 pm

I'm so mad they're trying to shut down Cockatrice. I firmly believe a large portion of the reason they had players continue to play so much was the ease of playtesting. MTGO is a clusterfuck and they want us to pay double for the cards, so that's not a viable playtesting option. I suppose MWS is still an option but I mean... how long until that one goes down?

xRECKONERx · Sun Mar 10, 2013 3:11 pm

I'm super excited for this cube that I'm building

xRECKONERx · Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:48 pm

I think it would break the randomization of the packs if they had to include a code with each one that accurately marked each pack for what cards were inside. I suppose there's a way to do it via computer, but I feel like that'd be easily game-able.

And yeah, financially, they'd lose a ton of money if they did that.

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:16 am

I really want a fun but viable deck to play. I've been playing straight up aggro so long that I've forgotten what not turning things sideways or fun combos are even like.

xRECKONERx · Fri Apr 05, 2013 5:53 am

BUDGET BANT1x Alchemist's Refuge
4x Evolving Wilds
5x Forest
4x Glacial Fortress
5x Island
2x Plains
4x Sunpetal Grove

2x Azorius Charm
4x Farseek
2x Selesnya Charm
4x Dissipate
4x Oblivion Ring
4x Amass the Components
4x Supreme Verdict

4x Augur of Bolas
4x Centaur Healer
3x Drogskol Reaver

I think the easiest thing to upgrade would be the lands, especially since I already have Hallowed Fountains, but I'm not sure how to go about incrementally upgrading the lands here. I also have

one

Snapcaster, but I'm not sure if it's worth it to run as a one-of in this deck (maybe cut an Augur of Bolas for it?). Any suggestions here would be good.

xRECKONERx · Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:56 am

Maybe so.

Amass the Components is in there as a stand in for Sphinx's Revelation, really. I just don't feel like investing in them and Amass is 4CMC for a net gain of 2 cards. A similar Sphinx's Revelation cast would be 5 mana for 2 cards, but the extra mana gains you 2 life (which is kind of why I'm playing Healers).

xRECKONERx · Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:54 am

Omg flux capacitorrrrrrr

xRECKONERx · Sat Apr 06, 2013 9:19 am

MINE.

xRECKONERx · Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:54 pm

MONO7DROPS.deck

xRECKONERx · Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:39 am

In post 2278, InflatablePie wrote:what

the

fuck

What the fuck

xRECKONERx · Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:27 am

fuck thragtusk fuck resto angel fuck unburial rites

fuck standard fuck fuck fuck fuck

xRECKONERx · Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:27 am

In post 2285, NabakovNabakov wrote:Wish list for split card names:
Sugar/Spice
Discipline/Punish
Gin/Juice

ftfy

xRECKONERx · Mon Apr 08, 2013 6:28 am

DEPUTY OF ACQUITTALS IS A GODDAMNED COMMON?

IT'S A FLASHBOUNCEBEAR WHAT THE FUCK

xRECKONERx · Mon Apr 08, 2013 5:16 pm

#1) oh a 5/5 with trample and flash for 4CMC, that's not

too

extreme

#2) eh...so it could accelerate stuff like archon? doubles counters? pretty cool i guess

#3) 1/4 with deathtouch and first strike? and it costs 5? that's not so-- WHY IN GOD'S NAME DOES IT DO THAT WHAT THE FUCK

#4) meh

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:02 am

I really want to get started actually being able to play MTGO...anyone have some pauper shit to dump on me so I can play pauper?

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 09, 2013 11:47 am

I mean, is it possible to build a competitive MTGO pauper deck with just recent shit? I just want a cheap way to play and have a chance at winning some shit

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:02 pm

Are there any cubes active on MTGO right now? I have ten cube tix and six regular tix, I'm wanting to do something to get started. Someone said Momir games, but I don't know where to find those, or how to get the avatars.

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 09, 2013 12:31 pm

How many tix for the avatar? And when do the dailies run?

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:29 pm

found a decent white weenies pauper deck that I can build for like 4 tix, but I can't seem to find any Prismatic Strands or Standard Bearers anywhere on MTGO

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:48 am

The Rakdos champion seems just about right (though I'm not sure how useful the counters-have-haste ability will be on T4).

@Shanba: White Weenies just seemed like an easy enough entry point. Though, now that I'm looking around, I'm seeing that it's a pain in the ass to play. The daily events still cost 6tix, and if I'm just gonna get stomped by expensive pauper decks (lol) then screw it. I wish there was a way to play MTGO at a low price point without having to spend tons of tickets and still get a shot at winning prizes.

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 10, 2013 5:00 am

"swing 7+ with first strike" on Turn 5 in a redsmash deck really isn't incredible though

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:15 am

Such as? I'm new to this format, enlighten me.

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 10, 2013 7:41 am

Hmm. I mean, couldn't I just build Standard RDW for like the same price? XD

I'll check out Stompy & Affinity. See if I can't dump some old commons/uncommons/shit rares for more tix somewhere.

xRECKONERx · Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:30 am

if you can find them scattered between brock & gammas car sure

xRECKONERx · Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:34 am

We have a few boxes, most of the time they just sit on shelves in our gaming cabinet...they're being stored in trunks of cars right now because our shithead roommate who is moving out at the end of the month was stealing cards from us to sell for money to pay his rent.

xRECKONERx · Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:47 am

k c u then

xRECKONERx · Thu Apr 11, 2013 6:56 pm

Voice of Resurgence is pretty cool.

After

extensive

testing for my Flux Capacitor bullshit Simic combo deck, I've realized there's just no way to make this thing competitive. Sure, it's fun to go "Haha, infinite oozes, everything is 11/11s, suck a dick" but it just can't win enough to make it worth investing the money.

I did, however, play a pretty fun deck tonight that I'm thinking might be a bit better, competitively (and much cheaper overall, too):

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Mainboard

CREATURES:

4x Volatile Rig

ARTIFACTS:

4x Rakdos Keyrune
2x Staff of Nin
3x Trading Post

ENCHANTMENTS:

3x Demonic Rising
4x Homicidal Seclusion

INSTANTS:

3x Tragic Slip
2x Murder

SORCERIES:

3x Dreadbore
4x Mutilate
3x Diabolical Revelation

PLANESWALKERS:

2x Liliana of the Dark Realms

LANDS:

4x Blood Crypt
4x Dragonskull Summit
2x Stensia Bloodhall
14x Swamp

Nothing is happening... nothing is happening... oh great, bullshit Tragic Slip/Murder on my early game creatures... wait, what the

hell

is this enchantment? Demonic Rising? Whatever, at least he doesn't have any creatures--oh god, no. Goats. GOATS!? Oh god, that's a 5/5 flier... shit, now it's an 8/6 flier with lifelink? What the fuck!? And did Liliana just give it +8/+8?

This deck has so many fun interactions...I won a couple of games by sacrificing my own volatile rig with my trading post and laughing as it wiped my opponent's board or straight up killed them. I laughed as my Rakdos Keyrune stood up to Thragtusk after Thragtusk. Wiped boards with Mutilate, then put a puny little goat on the battlefield to give me 5/5 flying demons every turn. Had one game where my opponent blew 3 Planar Cleansings and 2 Supreme Verdicts on me, and I

still

had the reach to come back and win the game.

SIDEBOARD2x Cavern of Souls (Counter my Volatile Rig? NOPE. Goes in place of Stensia Bloodhall.)
3x Barter in Blood (Haven't

quite

figured out the right time to use this, but it's at some point where they shut down my ability to blow up my own creatures)
2x Bonfire of the Damned (shut the fuck up RDW)
3x Slaughter Games (Sideboarded this end against every single Reanimator/Rites player I played and it worked wonders)
3x Tormod's Crypt (same deal, how are you gonna unbury anything if you don't have a graveyard? Goes in place of the Staff of Nin+1 Keyrune)
2x Pillar of Flame (fuck zombies)

The deck is

really

fun, I'd encourage everyone to try it out. I was originally trying to find a deck that used Griselbrand, and in the end I'm not even using him! I'm a little iffy on Staff of Nin, but it deals with X/1s very well (fuck you very much, Sorin) and it gives me the extra card draw to get to my engine faster. And if it's a "draw-go" situation, then pinging them for a damage every turn at least puts them on a clock.

xRECKONERx · Sun Apr 14, 2013 11:09 am

Dedicated mill is dumb, you WANT those alternate wincons with Phantasm/Wight

xRECKONERx · Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:00 am

I took 2nd at FNM with RDW playing against an Unexpected Results deck, GW Humans, Gruul Midrange, and Junk Rites. It's viable.

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 24, 2013 10:08 am

aghhhhhhhhh there was SO MUCH BULLSHIT in RTR limited that made it so much fun

so much removal, so many fun creatures to play (forcing populate is still fun as hell)

I wish GTC was fun, at all

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 24, 2013 12:11 pm

I feel like in RTR, you could conceivably win with any of the guilds or archetypes. GTC seems to be "Play aggro or die" with Boros & Gruul just being an insane powerhouse. Even the other viable option, an extort deck, is mind numbingly boring to play. Simic is too slow and needs to lean on the other guilds to do well, and good luck winning with Dimir.

RTR had:
- Selesnya populate overpower deck
- Rakdos beatface aggro deck
- Azorius tempo
- Golgari aggro
- Izzet control

I did well in RTR drafts with each of the above archetypes. Now, in GTC, unless you're snatching up all the bloodrush or battalion you can find, you're not gonna stand much of a chance.

xRECKONERx · Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:39 pm

At least we can agree M13 was a refreshingly good format?

AVR limited was terrible... first and second pick were decent, third pick on was just abysmal. I only did a bit of DKA-INN-INN but I remember loving it.

xRECKONERx · Thu Apr 25, 2013 5:51 am

Probably Selesnya. Maybe Rakdos and hope for Gruul/Boros... but i can also end up with Dimir, and lol

xRECKONERx · Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:36 pm

FIRST PLACE AT STANDARD WOO

xRECKONERx · Fri Apr 26, 2013 6:27 am

Meh, I'd rather save the $15 I'd spend on GTC draft this week and have all of us pitch in for a box of DGM

xRECKONERx · Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:10 am

wololololo

xRECKONERx · Sat Apr 27, 2013 6:20 am

In post 2494, kdowns wrote:Pulled a Voice of Resurgence and Advent of the Wurm from prize packs.

You son of a bitch... tradesies? Seriously? I need those so bad

I went Selesnya and all I fucking wanted was a VoR or AotW. I said "I don't care if I get any of the Selesnya packs, just not the one with Mana Bloom" and I pulled the one with Mana Bloom. My Gruul pack had Clan Defiance as its rare, and none of my DGM rares were on-color.

Game 1, I lost 1-2 to the exact deck I wanted (Advent of the Wurm, Voice of Resurgence,

two

on-color guild champions, Trostani) which was fine, it was cool to see those cards in action.

I proceeded to go 4-2 for the night with the goddamn Bronzebeak Moa + Eyes in the Skies + Armed//Dangerous combo. Swing for 2? No blocks? Eyes in the Skies pumps it to an 8/8, then I play Armed to make it a 9/9 with double strike. Pretty good. My last game, I stomped him handidly G1... G2 I drew all 6 forests and all four mountains in my deck, and then a Selesnya guild gate way too late to do anything. G3, I wound up with something like 15 lands on the battlefield and only about 5 cards left in my deck, one of which was my Clan Defiance which would've insta-gibbed his 4 HP :<

In the end, I came in 8th, which isn't bad at all.

xRECKONERx · Sat Apr 27, 2013 1:57 pm

In post 2498, InflatablePie wrote:
In post 2497, hasdgfas wrote:
In post 2495, xRECKONERx wrote:I proceeded to go 4-2 for the night with the goddamn Bronzebeak Moa + Eyes in the Skies + Armed//Dangerous combo. Swing for 2? No blocks? Eyes in the Skies pumps it to an 8/8, then I play Armed to make it a 9/9 with double strike.
But Armed is a sorcery?

In post 564, InflatablePie wrote:
Nominate xRECKONERx for It's A Sorcery

Yeah uh

I definitely played it at instant speed like five games before someone pointed out that it's a sorcery

xRECKONERx · Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:26 pm

In post 2507, Thestatusquo wrote:GJ reck. You made a wildly unplayable card broken by cheating.

You win life.

Yeah I meant to cheat

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 30, 2013 12:17 pm

HELP ME MAKE THIS DECK BETTER.

It does fine right now against most decks, but the problem is that unless I draw one of my creatures, I'm fucked. I'm thinking counterspells might be good here but the only reliable one is Dissipate and honestly a 3CMC counterspell is a bit much for this deck.

Get 'im, Mr. Bubbles!Creatures
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Nivix Cyclops
4 Guttersnipe

Spells
4 Artful Dodge
4 Armed / Dangerous
3 Unsummon
3 Think Twice
4 Searing Spear
3 Inaction Injunction
3 Mizzium Skin
2 Thought Scour

Land
4 Steam Vents
4 Sulfur Falls
3 Rootbound Crag
6 Island
5 Mountain

Sideboard
3 Skullcrack
2 Syncopate
4 Dispel
3 Pillar of Flame
3 Electrickery

I tried out putting in some Izzet Charms, and it seems to be doing a

bit

better... T4 Artful Dodge + Mizzium Skin + Armed gives me a 11/5 unblockable hexproof double strike for the win. It's pretty hilarious, but without drawing the perfect hand, the deck struggles a bit. Maybe some Faithless Looting?

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:54 pm

Yeah the splash was to cast Dangerous, but it's easy to just take out.

I want to stay in two colors if possible just because I don't have to invest in other shocklands if I go more than that (already have Steam Vents thanks to Pie)

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:55 pm

Also, without Armed, it's super hard to win early enough to do any damage.

Mainly, I think some filtering + counterspells so I can make sure I have Armed + Artful Dodge + Mizzium Skin in hand is good.

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:50 pm

Okay, let me just go dig up the $320 I need to get a playset of all the shocks

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:50 pm

also it's actually less likely to pull a shock in DGM than it is in RTR/GTC so *hitoshrug*

xRECKONERx · Tue Apr 30, 2013 5:59 pm

In post 2549, AGar wrote:
In post 2548, xRECKONERx wrote:also it's actually less likely to pull a shock in DGM than it is in RTR/GTC so *hitoshrug*
All DGM boosters have either a Gate, a Shock or Maze's End instead of a basic land. Not sure what the odds were in RTR/GTC but they had to be worse than what it's gonna be in DGM?

Nah, the land slots are all printed separately from the rest of the packs and the shocks have been confirmed by WotC as showing up less in DGM than the other sets

xRECKONERx · Thu May 02, 2013 6:32 am

Eh? RTR has Sphinx's Revelation, Angel of Serenity, Deathrite Shaman, but those are the only "big money" rares (over $10).

GTC has Obzedat, Domri Rade, & Boros Reckoner.

Right now, DGM actually has the most rares over $10 with Ral Zarek (who will inevitably drop), Voice of Resurgence, Blood Baron of Vizkopa, and Legion's Initiative.

Shocks are all hovering at about $8

xRECKONERx · Fri May 03, 2013 6:40 pm

First place at draft tonight

Bant OP

xRECKONERx · Sat May 04, 2013 7:48 am

My LGS has a light play Wasteland for $50 and a near mint Wasteland for $52

Standstill, they've got 3 of them at $6 a pop

No Mutavaults

xRECKONERx · Sat May 04, 2013 8:02 am

I don't know if I have the trade fodder, but I'll ask around.

xRECKONERx · Sat May 04, 2013 8:26 am

One guy at my store says he has Mutavaults but he can't think of many things he'd want to get rid of them for besides Polluted Delta, maybe some other legacy stuff

xRECKONERx · Mon May 06, 2013 1:16 pm

Oh yeah.

xRECKONERx · Tue May 07, 2013 1:47 am

But choosing what to exile with Angel of Serenity takes a lot of skill

xRECKONERx · Tue May 07, 2013 2:47 am

Looks like fun.

xRECKONERx · Tue May 07, 2013 2:07 pm

Junk players should die

xRECKONERx · Fri May 10, 2013 3:53 pm

First place again at draft. This week with a deck I like to call Extort Your Ass Off.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 10, 2013 6:01 pm

Does anyone here have Breeding Pools/Temple Gardens they might not want? I'm trying to put together the mana base for Bant and I have the Hallowed Fountains, and two Breeding Pools, I just need the other half of the base.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 10, 2013 8:21 pm

What do you want for them?

xRECKONERx · Sat May 11, 2013 5:34 am

xRECKONERx · Tue May 14, 2013 2:25 am

Wow, Shea, I would've lost my shit on that guy.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 16, 2013 1:34 pm

anyone have bant lands or Chandra's Phoenixes they might wanna dump?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 16, 2013 3:17 pm

Oh also Advent of the Wurm

xRECKONERx · Fri May 17, 2013 10:22 am

Could've sworn I had an entire post here of the deck I'm taking tomorrow. @BV: Yeah, I have two Deathrites, actually.

MAINBOARD4 Arbor Elf
4 Avacyn's Pilgrim
4 Loxodon Smiter
4 Silverblade Paladin
4 Boros Reckoner
3 Ghor-Clan Rampager
3 Thundermaw Hellkite

4 Advent of the Wurm
3 Boros Charm
4 Mizzium Mortars

1 Clifftop Retreat
3 Forest
2 Kessig Wolf Run
4 Rootbound Crag
1 Sacred Foundtry
4 Stomping Ground
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden

SIDEBOARD3 Ray of Revelation
3 Purify the Grave
3 Selesnya Charm
4 Unflinching Courage
2 Garruk, Primal Hunter

Any last second tips before I go to states tomorrow would be awesome.

xRECKONERx · Fri May 17, 2013 3:48 pm

Just realized there are like four non-foil cards in this deck. All the shocks + Garruks + Charms + Smiters are foil, and some of them are Japanese too

xRECKONERx · Sat May 18, 2013 10:24 am

Fate is top 8.

xRECKONERx · Sat May 18, 2013 11:06 am

Yeah he's on stream now

xRECKONERx · Sat May 18, 2013 12:39 pm

Yeah he's running it as a one of to get an extra green source and also cast Reckoners.

xRECKONERx · Sat May 18, 2013 12:40 pm

In post 2667, chamber wrote:well done. Shame that he drew his 5th land the turn her did game 3.

If Fate had drawn any non land card in his deck those three turns he drew lands, it would've been game.

xRECKONERx · Tue May 21, 2013 6:42 am

Yeah I'm not really worried. It's a two mana removal spell and if they board it against you then you play around it or just sideboard Pithing Needle.

xRECKONERx · Tue May 21, 2013 9:50 am

What's the Merfolk deck list? I've been considering getting into modern

xRECKONERx · Wed May 22, 2013 12:09 pm

Whoa. Is that just Fate's deck?

xRECKONERx · Wed May 22, 2013 12:13 pm

That deck is just:

-1 Hellrider
+1 Pyrewild Shaman

- 4 Lightning Mauler
+3 Pillar of Flame

At least from what I can tell. I know I'm missing something somewhere. Pyreheart Wolf is okay as a replacement for Boros Reckoner, that's what I used in my RDW originally.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 23, 2013 5:28 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

Now I won't get to ever make my favorite play again:
- Fate casts Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
- I'm at 5 life
- "HAHA CAN'T REMOVE IT, GG"
- Play Clone

Oh well, this is PROBABLY a good thing for the game, honestly.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 23, 2013 5:29 am

Anyone have some good suggestions for places to start with EDH? I've always wanted to get involved but I have NO clue where to begin.

xRECKONERx · Thu May 23, 2013 5:42 am

http://www.themanadrain.com/index.php?topic=45072.0

What the fuck, Vintage tournament in NY where the top 8 get to draft Moxes/Lotus?

xRECKONERx · Thu May 23, 2013 6:08 am

Yeah but the great part about it was removing Ruric Thar without playing a noncreature spell

xRECKONERx · Thu May 23, 2013 7:47 am

holy shit that looks fun

xRECKONERx · Thu May 23, 2013 1:14 pm

when would you play Crackling Perimeter?

xRECKONERx · Wed May 29, 2013 4:15 pm

That is close to the Bant deck I wanted to make when I saw DGM spoiles.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jun 03, 2013 9:06 am

Junk Aristocrats OMG

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 09, 2013 3:04 am

Fate and I are going hard at the Elite Iq today. Wooooooooooo!

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:04 am

You need something to replace Voice that stops control.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:05 am

Why are you running Thalia with 12 spells?

No.

Also you need Silverblade Paladins.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 09, 2013 10:21 am

When you're only two colors, you can afford to have a bit of a greedier mana base.

Still don't like Thalia, she destroys the value of Advent.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:06 am

Shock + tap + a few gates gives you ample sources

xRECKONERx · Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:00 pm

Not really. Sure, hastyboars and Hellriders will be gone, which is sad, but we've still got plenty from Ravnica + M14 + Theros to fix it.

Reckoners are gonna be really good though, I'd suggest getting them NOW before they go up in price after rotation

xRECKONERx · Tue Jun 11, 2013 9:19 am

Looks like Junk Aristrocrats is indeed the new "thing".

*sigh* Why is everything so goddamned expensive? Also, I really wish I could find a store that would start supporting both Block Constructed & Pauper formats more regularly.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jun 11, 2013 10:43 am

Tend to enjoy the constraints of Block Constructed more than Standard since I think tighter guidelines forces more creativity, and Pauper is just cheap.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:17 am

woooooooo

xRECKONERx · Tue Jun 11, 2013 11:17 am

Oh yeah, I don't remember who said it, but if anyone has

1x Hallowed Fountain
3x Breeding Pool
3x Temple Garden

plz2betellingme

xRECKONERx · Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:24 am

I don't think Madcap is too good overall but I suppose it can work.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:34 am

In post 2844, AGar wrote:I think you're probably better off running two more mountains than those two Temple Gardens.

Temple Gardens are fantastic for casting Reckoners and the green splashes

xRECKONERx · Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:45 pm

I don't think in Aggro you really care about people "playing around" your cards. You want to land the Madcap Skills and smash in for damage. If it gets removed, it gets removed.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jun 28, 2013 7:34 pm

Electrictrickery is amazing against many things. It kills their mana dorks at instant speed, which usually puts you a turn ahead and wins the game... Or it nullifies their entire spirit board for two mana... Or it's half a board wipe against Naya Blitz.

xRECKONERx · Mon Jul 01, 2013 3:15 am

I took a night to think about her and I don't hate her anymore

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:12 am

Her +1 is great because those fast aggro decks want to run around shit like Thragtusk. When aggro decks get put into topdeck mode, her 0 is going to be incredibly useful. And when the enemy is at like 6 life and has just board wiped, that extra card draw can win you the game... and if that can't, her ultimate definitely can.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:10 pm

"shit like Thragtusk" does not mean "her +1 is literally only useful for Thragtusk"

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:11 pm

In post 2899, Sudo_Nym wrote:Yeah, but I feel like an aggro deck would rather topdeck a creature at 4 than a Chandra. I would imagine that if Aggro is in a topdeck situation where Chandra is better than Hellrider, something has gone wrong.

When you're coming back from a board wipe, top decking a two drop or three drop isn't going to do much. Sure, right now, it's nice to topdeck a Hellrider for that last bit of beatdown you need, but Hellrider's days are numbered. I can totally see playing her at the 4 slot as a way to get reach after a Supreme Verdict or [insert other boardwipe here]. Maybe she's just a sideboard card against control -- I could see that, too.

xRECKONERx · Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:58 am

that card made me physically ill when i read it

xRECKONERx · Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:35 am

this new tuning fork thing is scary

xRECKONERx · Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:20 am

4C Rites is

so much goddamned fun holy fucking shit

.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:14 am

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:01 am

ah, well then yes, in mirror matches it's dumb

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:02 am

Also, I want to build a Bant list that uses Loxodon Smiters + Advent of the Wurm but not Snapcaster Mage... which really sucks because literally every Bant list runs Snapcasters.

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:07 am

It seems like it should theoretically be possible to run a Bant aggro type list... we've got Experiment One/Young Wolf to borrow from BUG, Loxodon Smiter is a fucking beast and a half, Advent of the Wurm fits the curve nicely and lets us play around a board wipe. Toss in some Rancors to beef up the fatties and Selesnya Charm or Rapid Hybridization for removal or combat tricks and I think you've got the shell for something that could be really cool. I think Geist of St. Traft goes in this deck, too. At the top of the curve could be Advent and then something like Trostani to give us some good value on our tokens, maybe?

(I'm just making this up as I go along so don't yell at me.)

Something like...
4x Experiment One
3x Young Wolf
4x Geist of Saint Traft
4x Loxodon Smiter
3x Trostani, Selesnya's Voice

4x Advent of the Wurm
3x Rancor
3x Rapid Hybridization
3x Selesnya Charm

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:55 am

What would you recommend?

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 7:21 am

Voice is so good ugh. I think this is another situation where I'm like "it's so expensive I'll just play around it" but you just can't. Eventually I'll have to pony up

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 05, 2013 9:57 am

i'm not going to invest in the lands that i just traded off

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:48 pm

In post 2947, Fate wrote:got 2x loxodon smiters and 1x advent btw reck

damn I wish I hadnt traded your deathrites now

I already have a playset of Smiters.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 07, 2013 2:27 pm

what.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:24 pm

SCG has Advent for 8 and OT for 10

but still a shitty fucking trade

xRECKONERx · Mon Jul 08, 2013 4:23 am

If you want to be a dick just play Junk Reanimator... although the key pieces of Reanimator are rotating out in October (Unburial Rites + Thragtusk + Restoration Angel) so we've yet to see how that will affect the archetype.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 09, 2013 4:26 pm

I like Standard just because it is constantly evolving every few months.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:01 pm

With casual games, if there's a misplay, I just rewind it and take it back then give the option to act again with new information on the table.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:28 pm

And that's why I go out of my way to declare each time priority passes when I'm playing actual games.

"Entering combat?"

"Attack."

"Declare blocks."

"2nd main."

etc

xRECKONERx · Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:30 am

I would love to pilot a few decks through dailies and see if I enjoy the online format.

So, if anyone has a deck they wouldn't mind letting me borrow...

xRECKONERx · Sat Jul 20, 2013 7:14 am

xRECKONERx · Sat Jul 20, 2013 9:03 am

Theros release cards... uh... what the fuck am I looking at?

xRECKONERx · Sat Jul 20, 2013 10:11 am

"Theros will be an enchantment block that plays off building blocks in M14."

Welp.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:10 am

Did you hear that

wooooooooooosh

, kdowns?

On another note, I ran in to something today I hoped I'd never have to see: RUG land destruction. Oh my god I about popped a boner I was so fucking mad. Elvish Archdruid + ramp elves get to a point where you can AcidicSlimeSlimeSlimeSlimeSlimeCloneCounterpartMoreSlime fuck that deck

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 21, 2013 9:24 am

In post 3076, InflatablePie wrote:Reck: :3

Also available in Bant (flicker), BUG ( removal) and Junk (both).

I guess R gives you Frenzied Tilling though.

And Demolish.

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:46 am

Pie I'm stealing that list to play test

xRECKONERx · Mon Jul 22, 2013 9:48 am

BYEBYE extended

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 26, 2013 6:39 am

Pfft, get on my cheese-bag level:

444 Shadowborn Apostle
1 Reaper from the Abyss
1 Sire of Insanity
2 Griselbrand
4 Cavern of Souls
214 Swamp

xRECKONERx · Fri Jul 26, 2013 4:07 pm

Oh my god I've been play testing that deck

xRECKONERx · Sun Jul 28, 2013 5:54 am

I don't think you can login one account on multiple computers, no

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:02 am

Okay, need some advice. I'm trying to put together a GW deck for Grimm to play in Standard because it's his favorite color combination, but I'm trying NOT to build something that needs Voice of Resurgence, for obvious reasons. I put together this and have been testing it to moderate success:

4x Dryad Militant
4x Experiment One
3x Imposing Sovereign
4x Loxodon Smiter

4x Advent of the Wurm
4x Brave the Elements
3x Rootborn Defenses
4x Selesnya Charm
4x Call of the Conclave

2x Ajani, Caller of the Pride

4x Temple Garden
4x Sunpetal Grove
10x Plains
6x Forest

He is in love with Trostani, Selesnya's Voice for some reason, but I'm not sure there's really a way to fit her in this deck. I also don't have a sideboard for it yet.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:50 am

4x Dryad Militant
4x Experiment One
3x Imposing Sovereign
4x Loxodon Smiter

4x Advent of the Wurm
4x Brave the Elements
3x Rootborn Defenses
4x Selesnya Charm
4x Call of the Conclave

2x Trostani, Selesnya's Voice

4x Temple Garden
4x Sunpetal Grove
9x Plains
5x Forest
2x Gavony Township

4x Unflinching Courage
2x Oblivion Ring
3x Ray of Revelation
3x Scavenging Ooze
3x Fiendslayer Paladin

looks good imo

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 30, 2013 7:04 am

Anyone have any Fiendslayer Paladins? $6/pop seems inflated, but I want to get this deck for Grimm SO BAD.

xRECKONERx · Tue Jul 30, 2013 6:39 pm

The problem with looking at decks that play Voice is that those decks play Voice for a very unique slot that can't really be occupied by anything else

xRECKONERx · Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:52 am

Yeah that was dumb -- we had a 6 person draft, and we ended up with:

1) RG aggro
2) RW aggro
3) RGW aggro
4) BW enchantments
5) RG aggro
6) BW control

Literally not a single blue player, everyone had a shit ton of blue cards in their sideboard

xRECKONERx · Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:53 am

To be fair I went Rumbling Baloth into Chandra's Outrage into Trollhide so I thought that shit was open

xRECKONERx · Wed Jul 31, 2013 6:53 am

Also picked up another late-ish Trollhide and two Sporemounds pretty late and a Deadly Recluse like 5th pick pack 2

xRECKONERx · Wed Jul 31, 2013 5:06 pm

In post 3139, Fate wrote:btw found some clownies to trade for the last 2 watery graves reck

what'd u trade off

xRECKONERx · Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:32 pm

Here's the UB mill control list I'm trying to run:

KINDA SORTA INCIDENTAL MILL CONTROL(Creatures - 5)
2x Aetherling
3x Augur of Bolas

(Instants - 23)
1x Crypt Incursion
1x Cyclonic Rift
1x Devour Flesh
2x Doom Blade
2x Essence Scatter
3x Far // Away
3x Opportunity
2x Psychic Strike
2x Syncopate
4x Think Twice
2x Warped Physique

(Sorcery - 4)
2x Barter in Blood
2x Mutilate

(Planeswalker - 2)
1x Jace, Memory Adept
1x Tamiyo, the Moon Sage

(Land - 26)
4x Watery Grave
4x Drowned Catacomb
3x Nephalia Drownyard
7x Island
8x Swamp

I've been testing this all night and haven't lost yet. It's pretty solid overall -- the mill is incidental and winds up being a wincon in those long midrange/late games. For the sideboard, I'm thinking...

SIDEBOARD2x Pithing Needle
2x Notion Thief
1x Curse of Death's Hold
1x Crypt Incursion
1x Dispel
2x Negate
1x Jace, Memory Adept
2x Appetite for Brains
2x Duress

My thought process on the sideboard goes like this:
Pithing Needle shuts down obnoxious Planeswalkers + cards that Aristocrats needs to functions
Notion Thief just surprise shits on anything that runs Sphinx's Revelation
Curse of Death's Hold can be a perma-wipe against some aggro decks + Aristocrats
Crypt Incursion comes in when I'm facing any deck that I'll be dumping creatures into a graveyard... or they'll do it themselves like with Aristocrats... or it's good to have vs Reanimator
Dispel is a good one of for control matchups
Negate obv comes in against decks that run any scary noncreature spells -- everything from Jund to Bant Pants to Control
The extra Jace comes in against control matchups for the 0 effect (and in some rare cases free card draw while leaving counterspell/Drownyard mana up)
Appetite for Brains comes in against Jund's fatties
Duress comes in against control or even sometimes Jund (planeswalkers + all the removal)[/area]

This deck seems to do well in testing. I end up having exactly what I want in my hand, and the Drownyards always leave me with options. I think Junk can blow up this deck post-board with the Slimes/Sin Collector/Resto post-board but it's not something I'm seriously worried about... and I have been incredibly impressed with Opportunity here. I'm willing to give up the lifegain from Sphinx's in exchange for a much more consistent mana base plus the access to all the black removal.

2x AEtherling tends to make me see it not too often but always when I want it. The three Augurs have a whopping 27 spells they can grab. I'm wondering if Syncopate is worth running since Psychic Strike just straight up counters things without the unreliable X cost AND gives me more mill. Far // Away is obv a huge card that I can't wait to play because it's a five mana blowout (and even a 2-3 mana blowout in the right situations). I have yet to miracle the 1-of Cyclonic Rift, but I'd imagine there are probably situations where it's awesome. It sucks not having access to Supreme Verdict or Terminus or Planar Cleansing by foregoing white but I honestly think it more than makes up for that fact in the black removal it can run PLUS the fact that the mana base is way more consistent PLUS the fact that it can run jace/Tamiyo without being greedy

Also wondering about Mutilate vs Barter in Blood... like, running 2 & 2 has been fine so far but I can't actually see any advantage that one has over the other considering they're the same CMC, both sorcery speed, and both are going for the same effect. I suppose the only real difference is that sometimes in rare cases you don't have the swamps to make Mutilate effective (there are 12 swamps out of 26 lands) but then in some rare cases Barter in Blood doesn't make them sacrifice what you want it to

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:50 am

In post 3147, Fate wrote:Cyclonic rift can definitely be a miracle against a jund with a bunch of horesshit out (lets say: Pithing needle on your jace, garruk, a bunch of beasts from garruk, rakdos keyruke, etc.) and help pull you back in the game.

I also think you should fit in 1x mind grind here or am I just going that deep >______>

Too deep bro

In post 3148, InflatablePie wrote:Take out a Crypt Incursion, Opportunity, Aetherling, and both Psychic Strikes for 1 Syncopate 2 Dissipate 2 Snap. Maybe drop both Mutilate for another Memory Adept and Snap. Ratchet Bomb also good, maybe go down a Scatter and something else or board it.

Overload Rift also takes 7 btw. Not that I don't like the card.

Crypt Incursion is INSANE. I didn't realize it but those fast aggro decks that are throwing creature after creature at you and slowly chipping away at your life while you counter and remove their threats just get devastated when you exile their 6 creatures and go back to 20 life out of nowhere.

Why would I remove Psychic Strike? It's a 3 mana on color counterspell for anything that also fits the mill plan

Opportunity as a 3-of might be a bit much but I have yet to draw too many of them because getting to 6 mana with this deck is easy as fuck

I'm not getting Snapcasters this late in the game especially when I just traded them off, plus I don't think they have as much synergy here as they do in decks that love running Azorius Charm and Verdict. I'm not going for a bunch of cheap spells that are easily snappable plus I'd much rather mill them with drownyard if I have the extra mana.

In post 3150, Nuwen wrote:Sever the Bloodline should have a place in your deck/SB. Because you're not playing Sphinx's Rev, repeatable card slots and cantrips are worth gold. Forbidden Alchemy is another valuable flashback card that lets you diiiig through your deck for wincons.

You should play more mainboard countermagic and respect other control decks. Underworld connections is pretty necessary in the control mirror.

With all the card draw I'm running, Forbidden Alchemy seems like a bit overkill. Also yeah Underworld Connections would just kill me most times I think. I've played the control mirror several times last night and while it came down to a mill race or "who can successfully stick Aetherling first" a lot of times, I think because this deck already sticks to the mill plan heavier than most decks, it wins out in that respect.

In post 3153, Thestatusquo wrote:I think devoting a sb slot in your deck to sphinx's is pretty poor considering it is very very narrow and you already have syncopate in the main which answers sphinx's pretty well and negate in the board which does the same. You just have to play in such a way where you know which cards are important to counter. There's no need to water down your deck with crap like notion thief which has no utility anywhere else.

I agree that it seems weird to sideboard for one specific card, I just really like Notion Thief.

He's also really good in the control matchup in general because he shuts down card advantage. Even flashing him in during an end step where they try to Think Twice is good value -- stop their draw, draw a card, have a 3/1 on the field that you can most likely protect with removal/countermagic.

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:00 am

Also keep in mind that the idea behind this deck is putting together a viable control list in Standard while not breaking the bank.

I have everything already except for:
4x Drowned Catacomb ($2.30 each)
?x Nephalia Drownyard ($0.94 each)
2x Mutilate ($2 each)
1x Tamiyo, the Moon Sage ($9.99)
2x Jace, Memory Adept (7.59 each)
2x Notion Thief ($0.99 each)
1x Curse of Death's Hold ($0.49)

That's about $40 for all the cards I need (only $30 if I take out Tamiyo)

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:46 am

3 shocks for 1 snap np

Incursion exiles creatures that you mill/counter meaning you gain life out of it, I can see it being a little weak against creature light decks which is why it's one of the first things to come out in those situations (while Negate/Dispel/Appetite/Duress go in)... but for G1, with Jund and RG aggro being so prevalent (and I got dickstomped by Naya in the finals last night), running Crypt Incursion seems like a safe bet.

I haven't playtested Jund much, just once last night. I had a few problems with the deck (specifically Abrupt Decay/Dreadbore being uncounterable and with Rakdos's Return fucking over my hand if I don't have a counterspell up) but nothing else seemed too bad aside from the fact that Doom Blade doesn't kill Olivia/zombies/whatever other black FOTM Jund is running. Jund is probably the biggest sideboard changeup. Pithing Needle/Duress/Appetite/Negate probs come in against Jund and that will usually shut them down

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 7:55 am

haven't seen much control at all up here. I'd imagine if your store is Jund heavy then you could always run a couple duress or appetites maindeck (probably duress since it also hits control)

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:09 am

Want anything in particular?

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:10 am

He's at $6.40 median price on TCGPlayer

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 8:49 am

I took the local in store price not the tcg price

Uhhh I have a whole box of trade crap let me get Fate to look in it and see what's in there

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:55 am

Well that just seems perfect. Looking for anything particular?

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 2:55 pm

I've got a couple verdicts and a Glacial Forttess

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:08 pm

I have three Reckoners I might be willing to get rid of just because I don't even use them in my RDW anymore.

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:09 pm

Also: playtested a lot against Fate/Nuwen tonight. I think the list is pretty solid -- I ran into a few matches where I was just drawing into lands and couldn't do anything, but most of the matches I was pretty solid.

Crypt Incursion is godlike.

xRECKONERx · Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:18 pm

That's how I feel. Even if I'm just paying 3 mana to exile 3-4 creatures and gain 9-12 life it's great value.

xRECKONERx · Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:15 am

Like I said -- the stores I play at tend to have a lot of creature heavy decks, so I think leaving one in G1 is a safe bet. If they wind up being control or something I can take it out.

I'm still having trouble figuring out a sideboard plan... I know what to put in, but have no clue what to take out. Here's my final list:

UB Control2 AEtherling
4 Augur of Bolas

4 Think Twice
3 Opportunity
2 Syncopate
2 Psychic Strike
2 Essence Scatter
1 Crypt Incursion
4 Far // Away
2 Doom Blade
2 Warped Physique
1 Devour Flesh
3 Barter in Blood
1 Cyclonic Rift

1 Jace, Memory Adept
1 Tamiyo, the Moon Sage

4 Watery Grave
4 Drowned Catacomb
2 Nephalia Drownyard
7 Island
6 Swamp
2 Dimir Guildgate

SB: 2 Appetite for Brains
SB: 2 Duress
SB: 1 Curse of Death's Hold
SB: 1 Jace, Memory Adept
SB: 1 Notion Thief
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 1 Crypt Incursion
SB: 2 Negate
SB: 1 Dispel
SB: 1 Evil Twin
SB: 1 Psychic Spiral

Versus Jund:

in: 2 Pithing Needle, 2 Negate, 2 Appetite for Brains, 2 Duress, 1 Evil Twin
out: 1 AEtherling, 1 Crypt Incursion, 1 Opportunity, 2 Doom Blade, 4

???

Versus Aristocrats:

in: 1 Curse of Death's Hold, 1 Crypt Incursion, 2 Pithing Needle
out: 1 Tamiyo the Moon Sage, 1 Far // Away, 2 Doom Blade

Versus Control:

in: 2 Duress, 2 Negate, 1 Dispel, 1 Notion Thief, 1 Jace Memory Adept, 1 Psychic Spiral
out: 8 ???

Versus Aggro:

in: 1 Crypt Incursion, 1 Curse of Death's Hold, (maybe Pithing Needle for Domri)
out: 1 AEtherling, 1 Opportunity, (maybe Cyclonic Rift)

Versus Hexproof:

in: 2 Negate, 2 Duress
out: 2 Doom Blade, 2 Warped Physique

plz help me i know this is terribul