Micro 669 - Procrastination Mafia - At The End...(GAME OVER)
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Zach's only post before dunn's vote...In post 12, Zachstralkita wrote:VOTE: Infinite Justice
we got a different kind of justice around hERE
Dreamer I love your stream-of-consciousness but it's gonna get cluttery if you do that all game so can you maybe cut down on it a little?-
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Well that's not what BnL saidIn post 74, drealmerz7 wrote:I don't think it is the RP that is bothering, I think it's just that it seems forced and overdone and that is not ever good because 1 it skews an ability to read you (and so just comes off scummy)
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There is a world where he believes that, it's just unlikely I guess.
No, I think significant amount of fluff in places where content is expected is scummy for sure. But content isn't really expected by page 4. Look at dunn and zach for example, no one's calling them out. And 3 posts of fluff in any case is not enough to be scummy, and most townies would agree with me I think.
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Because I don't often see town holding that opinion. Not to say unorthodox opinions are scummy, but this one seems more likely for scum to think they can justify.In post 97, culted wrote:Why's it unlikely?
Well it's not a hard and fast line, but lets say page 10 in a micro.When's content expected?
Because I don't expect content from everyone on page 4If you think someone should be calling out dunnstral and zachstralk why are you not calling them out?
You don't, but there are certain things I expect town to read people based off of and certain things I don't. That doesn't mean those expectations are true, and I didn't call BnL scum, just voiced a concern.Why does one need to be town to agree with you on what content is readable vs not?
Well you have a point, but I think you're in the minority. I also find it a common scum strategy to nitpick on a few posts to build reads.Personally I read by every word I possibly can, if you disagree that's theory, and I think that's where your push on bullet stems from.
Yes, I would've.Like, would you have found it more forgivable if he had called out alargernumber of fluff posts, or didn't take issue with someone roleplaying awkwardly at all?
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I like this because I was thinking the same thing but didn't feel like it needed to be said.In post 99, BNL wrote:culted do you have an opinion of your own on anything? Or are you just going to ask questions?
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Have you played in a micro before? Why do you seem intent on ending the day early as opposed to letting it play out and lynching someone if it's going slowly?
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PEdit: Given how many times both town and scum have quickhammered people when the day should not have been over, I think my fear is pretty reasonable.
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You seem to be intent on at least starting to end the day. Having someone claim is sometimes followed by a lynch. Point is, I don't see a reason to start working towards a lynch unless the deadline is near or the game is going slow, neither of which are true. Also as far as I know only 1 person other than you is scumreading me (cause titus has barely shown up yet lol)
Different sites are going to have different customs, and you have to adapt when you change sites. Though I have no evidence for this, I bet you mafiascum would have a higher town winrate for the same setups than other sites that tend to end days really quickly.
But this is getting nowhere, so w/e
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I agree with you, and since so far the game seems to be developing in a productive direction I don't see why we'd end the day.In post 122, drealmerz7 wrote:Days go how Days go
no matter the size
can't dictate how they go based on your conceptions of how they should go-
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Given that, it seems very weird and unnatural to me that you'd ask for a claim in a game that's progressing yet still in its early stages. Try to explain?In post 135, drealmerz7 wrote:my HS has a good number of really exceptional players
I don't want to share it publicly, sorry, I'd rather not be meta-mined or whatever else (have some shameful games too! woo!)
in SMURFIA I was scum with nacho and he kicked butt and I did meh okay - tammy has played on there too (game I modded)
our pace is generally 1-2 week Days and 3-5 day Nights
content tends to be deep
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PEdit: I don't see how you're confident you've found scum based on this much reasoning, and even if there was a confirmed scum right now I'd wait to progress the day much further before lynching them because I believe d1 content is very important for later days. Maybe that's just me, but I want to try to understand why you disagree in this instance and I don't think you explained it properly.-
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I kinda get what you're saying here, but me and most other players I've played with on this site see it very differently. A claim is sort of a last resort to determine whether or not someone is scum, because you want to give as little information to scum as possible. In my view, no one should claim until town is basically ready for a lynch. So I think you guys should question and observe me to determine my alignment rather than have me claim, and mitigate the risk of a quickhammer by not having me at L-1 so early as opposed to, again, having me claim. Not only that, once again, it seems that 2 of the votes on me are not serious, which makes it even more ridiculous to me that we'd have a claim. Again, claims for me should only happen when you'd have a lynch in a vanilla setup. Otherwise, I'd be giving away information to scum when my lynch can definitely be avoided without it.In post 141, drealmerz7 wrote:1.) for me it is completely natural, no matter the circumstance: if you're at L-1, you fucking claim (if you're town, also if you're scum because smartscum try to be towny and town always should claim imo), because of the potential for QH, because it shows your desire to shake the wagon and not lose your role/vote/view to a lynch - to me you're trying to force the game into a "stage" that it is not in, you're at L-1, that is the primary thing, regardless of what other conceptions you might hold about how it "should" be, how it is is you're at L-1 and should be claiming so that we can judge whether to stay on you or get off.
I don't think I'm forcing the game into a stage it's not in, if anything you're the one who's doing that imo. The game seems to be in the early d1 stage, and you seem to be forcing it into the late d1 stage. If you disagree, ok but I think you might be a minority.
Look, I'm a big believer in gut, but even the best of the best won't be able to make a very accurate gut prediction based on 7 pages. You're going to be wrong a decent amount of time, and you're wrong here. Keep questioning me and try to figure me out to supplement your gut.2.) I often don't function on pure "reasoning" - this is mafia and to me it is a lot of behavioral analysis, motivations, associations, attitude, the genuineness I feel in it all - there's a combination of these things that lead me to intuit that you are scum, it's a skill I'm usually good with, there's not much reason to it a lot of time, it gets me SR a lot because I try to push a read like this and it doesn't often go over well because I don't know how to go about it so well when it's like this - the main thing is, I am confident in voting you as scum. I know I'm town. I know I have town's best interests in me, and I know that it is not good to vote without that feeling of confidence. I don't vote without confidence/comfort in a vote. If I feel this good about it, I'm sticking with it. No doubt. It serves me well. often.
I think you should slow down and take your time not based on my personal opinion of how games should go, but based on my assessment of how this game is going. Yes, there is content being generated right now, and funnily enough, our argument is generating quite a bit. But if it was up to you, there would be a claim. Not to say a claim gets in the way of generating content, but when you are generating content and so far away from the deadline and just not necessary. I don't think you're giving enough weight to the importance of scum knowing someone's role, especially in a micro. That or you're not putting enough important on continuing to generate content when there's more content to be generated.3.) I agree but that is a generalization and a stalling or muddying of things as the day progresses is also something scum often will do when town is on the right track "wait wait, we're moving too fast! how can we be so sure they're scum so soon?" well we can't be SO SURE, but it's D1, and there's nothing TO KNOW, and if you've got comfort in a vote, go for it, give the reasons the best you can, and move forward. Everyone at their own pace, certainly, but don't halt your pace based on someone else asserting taht you shouldn't be advancing the game yet. That's ridiculous.
Again, the Day has not ended, has it? There is content generating, right now, so, quit balking the advancement of the game.
That said, I do think it's likely that you believe what you're saying.
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In post 159, drealmerz7 wrote:Done. vote stays, no question.
Which is it? If we're going to continue this discussion I need you to be completely honest with yourself and try your absolute hardest to be unbiased. In return, I'll drop the points we're getting nowhere on and will stop repeating myself. To be completely honest, it's fucking annoying being tunneled on and it's just not worth my time if you're not going to change your mind no matter what.In post 160, drealmerz7 wrote:
of course I amIn post 158, Infinite Justice wrote:Let's be completely honest here. Are you willing to listen to my side? If not, there's no point in having this discussion because I think you're town.
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but I can't listen if you're not saying anything that you haven't said already
say something, I'll listen
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Ok. I have class in a few minutes so in a couple hours I'll respond to you. I really don't think I've brought the tunnel on myself, and I've been trying to bring up new points and say them in a way you'd understand, but I guess I didn't really do it well enough.
Also I'll talk more content about other stuff when other people contribute more since this is basically all that's going on at the moment but yeah
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I don't see why you put so much important on where my vote is. To be honest, my vote could be on BnL, on you, my top townread, or on no one, and it wouldn't make too much of a difference to me. So I kept my vote because the best purpose for it right now is to let titus to whatever she was gonna do with it. Titus did then tell me by pm that I could move my vote, but I don't see a reason to because I don't have a place for it. It seems to me that you put a lot of importance on where people's votes are at any given time, but I don't in the early game and that's basically what this is.In post 157, drealmerz7 wrote:
you are 1 slot 1 entity and therefore you get ONE READ from meIn post 150, Infinite Justice wrote:My vote on BnL is titus's vote. Believe it or not there are 2 players in this slot, and I didn't find a better place to put it, so I didn't see a reason to change it.
Proper response later.
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to me this equivocates to "I don't know why I'm voting who I'm voting for"
this is an unacceptable answer at this point in the game, especially when you're L-1 and you are voting for the person that the person who is pushing your wagon thinks you are buddies with - I mean, it's not hard to see the HUGE ISSUES here
vote explanation is utter bogus and you are contradicting yourself and that is SCUM SCUM SCUM
I also don't see where I contradicted myself
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And those people are dumbpeople claim on this site like it's the trendy thing to do - all of the fucking time, when they're not at L-1 at all
I agree. Do you think we should ask everyone whether they are ready for a lynch? Do you think the people whose votes on me aren't serious are ready for a lynch?in my view L-1 means town is ready for a lynch and the only thing now is for the person to claim so anyone on the wagon can decide to get off and anyone off can decide to get on (or hammer if no one gets off)
I put out a lot more content not just related to defending myself than dunnstral did. And I don't think the game is delayed by me refusing to claim, given how much we have to discuss (sorry for repeating that but I think it needed to be repeated)you criticize dunnstral for not playing the game, but, it is you who are stalling and not playing the game - he is just waiting for you to get on with it, as are we all I think at this point
I would argue in the process of being done, but ok1.) DONE
Fair enough2.) *looks at timestamps* - argument of fearing a QH no longer valid
I'll claim when I believe most townies are ready for a lynch.WTF? so you're just NOT GOING TO CLAIM AT ALL THEN?
I'm trying, but I will also say that towntelling on purpose is kinda scum's job not town's job.I absolutely know the weight of importance of these things. If you don't want to claim, do something that makes people unvote you.-
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See, most people vote based on very small things in the stage past RVS, but I don't particularly want to point out those things because I want to see if those behaviors continue for a longer time. Therefore, I don't have a good place to put my vote. If you think no town could possibly have no good place to put their vote at the moment, fine--there's no way I'm convincing you.
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You think town don't often tunnel early on?In post 165, BNL wrote:UNVOTE: Secret Agent Jin
VOTE: drealmerz7
I think his initial gut read of IJ/BNL scumread is nonsense, and him persisting it is a newbscum tactic (yes, Drealmer is new), especially with a lack of scumhunting elsewhere.
The bottom of page 3 and post 117 is also inconsistent with his deathtunnel on IJ
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I'm fine with you having issues with my play, I'm not ok when you accuse me of shit like twisting your points, contradicting myself, or stalling the game which I never fucking did. And you're being hypocritical as fuck when you saying that I'm defending myself and not scumhunting while you're attacking me and doing nothing else.
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My internet broke earlier. I do approve of the vote by my other head.In post 218, BNL wrote:Yes I agree that IJ is town, but that's just going off my gut.
IJ: You seem to be town reading Drealmer because "he's too scummy to be scum", and I disagree that's towny. Explain this?
Not understanding the Zach wagon.
Drealmerz is pretty town. It's real easy to get on his bad side, just disagree with him.
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It's counterproductive because it gives info for scumIn post 217, Zachstralkita wrote:
Hmm.. I decoded this and it seems that Titus will only be able to post in " Limited " capacity.
You're welcome guys.
howIn post 204, Infinite Justice wrote: No one vote dreamer since he'll probably claim at L-1 and although that would be funny it'd be counterproductive.
I appreciate you defending me zach, but it doesn't seem like you personality as town and last time you defended me you were scum (although you did it differently tbf). I'd rather you try and find scum/explain your scumspects than try to convince someone who doesn't want to be convinced.
I'm not, putting yourself out there aggressively is not too scummy to be scum, it's just something that scum don't do. It's just not necessary and takes too much effort and not many other people townread it like I do.In post 218, BNL wrote:Yes I agree that IJ is town, but that's just going off my gut.
IJ: You seem to be town reading Drealmer because "he's too scummy to be scum", and I disagree that's towny. Explain this?
Plus scum usually don't try to make up stuff like this to explain themselves.In post 220, drealmerz7 wrote:only on my bad side cause you're scum
my strategy with how I hooked you is hard to describe, but, I do use it on the regular and I know the feeling of scum at the end of my line - it's a weight that doesn't let go
town it "let's go"
that's the best I know how to describe it
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