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InflatablePie · Post Post #16 (isolation #0) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:31 pm

VOTE: Bullet n Lynchproof

InflatablePie · Post Post #19 (isolation #1) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:50 pm

In post 15, BNL wrote:Don't like the activity rate in this game so far -.-

^thread's been open for ~17 hours

also instead of just saying "here's the math, we should do this, thoughts?" BNL is showing caution. don't like it.

LicketyQuickety wrote:low hanging fruit

why is BNL 'low-hanging fruit'?

InflatablePie · Post Post #21 (isolation #2) » Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:32 pm

sure

he's scum

and I'm town

now what

InflatablePie · Post Post #30 (isolation #3) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:38 pm

In post 22, BNL wrote:
In post 19, InflatablePie wrote:
In post 15, BNL wrote:Don't like the activity rate in this game so far -.-

^thread's been open for ~17 hours

also instead of just saying "here's the math, we should do this, thoughts?" BNL is showing caution. don't like it.

LicketyQuickety wrote:low hanging fruit

why is BNL 'low-hanging fruit'?

How am I showing caution?

by not just listing the math outright

by waiting for town's approval before moving forward with your strategy

drunkposting side-note: 11 by Titus feels off. can't quite place a finger on why

In post 23, BNL wrote:Also I'd still like a reply from everyone (esp. Lickety and IPie) on whether they want to set up rooms with everyone (like last game) or reserve them for their suggested use.

I'd rather reserve them. I'd rather utilize them than abuse them, despite abusing them contributing towards a town win last game. I prefer being able to "break" the game as opposed to breaking the game, if that makes sense. Purely from a... morals perspective, so to speak.

---

Speaking of "breaking" the game, something I thought about prior to receiving my role PM - is it possibly strategic to have everyone post in-thread their two top BG targets (and the town players promising to 100% protect one of those two, obviously), to try and catch scum and/or force them to kill in certain pools? I haven't done the math, and also thought of this before realizing scum have a factional RB, but it

is

something I briefly considered.

I'm personally in favor of doing something like this, but given that smart and/or lucky scum can potentially work their way around this (in similar fashion to the "here's the third letter of my role name, here's a list of who I protected if it was this letter" style of breadcrumbing) it's probably just a waste of time.

@passionate - I have a (legit) read - scumread on BnLynchproof. Thoughts, and or read on BnLp?

InflatablePie · Post Post #32 (isolation #4) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:45 pm

Like I said, can't quite put my finger on why.

I don't like how cautious his post 15 is. "I did the math, do y'all want to do this?"

I realize that the "scum asking for town's opinions before going through with things" trope is pretty basic as far as scumtells goes, but it's the best I have to go on right now.

InflatablePie · Post Post #34 (isolation #5) » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:57 pm

Maybe I'm completely misreading her posts (namely 26), but if you're trying to push the "trying too hard too early" angle, BnLp or myself are more fitting choices for that criteria.

If you want to elaborate on Postie though, go for it.

InflatablePie · Post Post #55 (isolation #6) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 3:09 pm

Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

Titus, I'd still rather use the rooms sparingly or as necessary, but why 2:2:2:3? Gun to my head, I'd go with 3:3:3 D1.

LQ's 43 reads incredibly awkward/forced to me so I'll let BnL slide for now.

VOTE: Lickety

InflatablePie · Post Post #68 (isolation #7) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:57 pm

In post 58, Titus wrote:There is nothing awkward about 43.

It's almost like people interpret posts differently in mafia games.

I'm not sure how to walk someone through seeing posts such as 43 as awkward or forced, so if you don't see it, you don't see it, I suppose.

In post 56, LicketyQuickety wrote:Something wrong with the argument I made?

Competent scum could easily come up with this type of thing during N0 for towncred. It's fairly null.

Main problem I have is with your tone in that post.

Titus wrote:2 2 2 3 makes scum know less discussions and raises the possibility of scum having no information on night acts of half the group.

Do scum not have nighttalk?

I can see 2223 working for D2+ (or I guess 223 or something), but I think 2223 gives scum more opportunity to buddy up and sneak into a "townblock". I'd prefer the extra sets of eyes for at least Day 1.

And again, I still don't think this is necessary, but y'know.

BulletNLynchproof wrote:
In post 55, InflatablePie wrote:Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

This question is weird.

I'll elaborate and explain my thought process when I get an answer. Promise.

InflatablePie · Post Post #69 (isolation #8) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 6:59 pm

I'd like Esp's opinions on the room stuff because from my quickskim of the first game, he was a huge proponent of breaking the game via rooms.

InflatablePie · Post Post #70 (isolation #9) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:00 pm

*he seemed like he was a huge proponent.

Also, if we decide to go through with a room strategy, and we do decide to go 2223, I would like to request a 2 room with Titus.

InflatablePie · Post Post #72 (isolation #10) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:21 pm

um

what?

InflatablePie · Post Post #73 (isolation #11) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:23 pm

so you don't have a townread on Titus, yet you think I'm trying to "pocket her", despite that implying that Titus would be town in this scenario?

or do you think I'm that good at Scum

Kabuki

Theatre?

Tag fixed. --P

InflatablePie · Post Post #74 (isolation #12) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:24 pm

I am noob at tags.

InflatablePie · Post Post #76 (isolation #13) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:34 pm

How am I "appealing to Titus' reasonable side"?

How is "trying to pocket [Titus]" supposed to be read any other way than "I think you are scum trying to manipulate town"?

Why aren't you voting me?

And why am I apparently trying to buddy Titus specifically, when I've been more agreeable with

you

, given that we both want to use rooms sparingly and both want to go with 333 if we had to pick a strategy?

InflatablePie · Post Post #77 (isolation #14) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:35 pm

Can you elaborate more on 19 and 20, or are you just going to make vague, cryptic statements any time someone asks you to clarify?

InflatablePie · Post Post #78 (isolation #15) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:47 pm

So you think I'm trying to manipulate Titus, yes? Try and get us in a room together and cozy up with her? Maybe roast some marshmallows or chestnuts (it's Christmas time!)? I specifically said that

if

we use this strat (preferred order - not using it > 333 >>>> 2223) I want a 2 room with Titus.

More importantly, why are you getting scumvibes from me talking to Titus, yet have ignored Titus herself? She's had quite a few posts this game with regards to trying to optimize strategy to her preferred layout (despite you, me and BnL opposing it), yet she isn't seen by you as manipulative.

This shows that either you're not actually picking up on manipulative tells and you're scum fabricating a read, or you're town who's biased by the fact that I'm voting you.

So if you could answer my questions so that we can all sort this out together, that'd be great.

InflatablePie · Post Post #79 (isolation #16) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:51 pm

Sorry for the (relative to thread activity) spam.

@mod: V/LA til Sunday as per sig - not that it affects much with your weekend prod timer ruleset

InflatablePie · Post Post #82 (isolation #17) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:16 pm

LQ wrote:Why should I vote for you?

Well, what's your read on Vyse, then?

LQ wrote:Are you going to nit pick things like this all game? More of your arguments are based on small details that force me to explain my thought process and nothing more. Your arguments are both inconsistent and assuming in nature.

I'm sorry for asking you to explain your thought process...?

Turns out when you refuse to do that, other people tend to assume thing from your posts.

LQ wrote:Are you going to be giving Titus a Town read all game?

I don't have a townread on Titus and I never said I did.

LQ wrote:Are you going to be Scumreading me all game?

Only Day 1, I hope.

LQ wrote:Why should I be forced to explain myself when if just a bit of thought goes into what I say it is easy to see where I am coming from.

Here's the thing - this is twice now you've made posts that don't actually answer the questions I've asked of you. I asked why BnL was low-hanging fruit, you told me to compare him to myself. So yes, I retorted cheekily because I have no smurfing clue what you were trying to say there, and what were you expecting me to respond to that

with

? And then your "my words speak for themselves" bit. You can't make posts like that and then claim you're getting misinterpreted.

What is your read on Titus? What is your read on me?

It's like pulling teeth here.

LQ wrote:Low hanging fruit means they are green, like I am green

We've established the color for town is green, yes.

LQ wrote:BLP is smart, yes, but don't have a lot of experience and you have gone and played very aggressively against 2 people who do not have the experience that you have.

The only situation in which this should ever matter is if we're playing a Newbie. That's an awful excuse otherwise.

In post 81, LicketyQuickety wrote:You done? You can get off your holy horse now your highness.

Thrice.

InflatablePie · Post Post #86 (isolation #18) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:48 pm

Define 'quote manipulation', because all I did was snip anything not worth responding to.

"How the hell am I supposed to have a read on Vyse?" - good question! That's why I asked - because you have an inferred scumread on me but you're parking on an RVS vote.

The fact that you think I'm being intentionally thick is more condescending than my snark. That's impressive. Me asking you to elaborate isn't me trying to "getcha", it's literally just me wanting you to elaborate.

You're not "required" to have a read but I have asked you multiple times in multiple ways to explain your read, because I am scumreading you, because of your earlier post saying I was trying to pocket Titus. I am wanting you to explain this and you keep dodging the questions I ask you. Guess what? If you're town and I'm town, you want to get those reads out there and try and work with me. If you're town and I'm scum, you want to clear up this confusion so that I don't push a mislynch on you. There's no pro-town reason not to hold onto your reads here, especially considering you contradicted yourself. Wanna know the best part? If your answers make sense, they should be easily explainable and we can drop this whole kerfuffle.

If you're scum, by all means.

Christ.

I will give you the green comment though, I 100% thought you meant you were green as a 'dohoho look at me I'm town' type of comment, not green as in new. My apologies for the miscommunication. Why did me voting BnL stick out to you? Have you played games with BnL prior? Too lazy to check.

InflatablePie · Post Post #87 (isolation #19) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:01 pm

So here's the questions I want you to answer. They're very simple. I don't care if I can infer them from your posts or whatever you'd like to say to deflect, please clearly answer these and I'll consider getting off your back.

What is your read on Titus?
What is your read on me?
If you are scumreading me, why is your vote still on Vyse?
When you say I'm trying to 'pocket' Titus, are you saying I am scum manipulating town?
What is your opinion on Titus' posts regarding the rooms strategies?

Bonus Question: Why was me voting BnL early on notable to you?

Otherwise, I can just requote this post for the next forever, until you answer me. Or until we get shoved in a room as a result of that (all according to my master plan /s).

InflatablePie · Post Post #88 (isolation #20) » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:03 pm

Oh, I never did answer your question - I'm leaning scum on Titus. I thought that was implied by me saying I didn't have a townread but saying things clearly and not holding back reads helps progress the town wincon, so y'know.

InflatablePie · Post Post #121 (isolation #21) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:12 am

If everyone played the same scumgame every time, mafia would be incredibly easy.

I don't understand why you're so adamant about this.

InflatablePie · Post Post #126 (isolation #22) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:55 am

LQ 89 - I'm aware of Floating and Pocketing. Your explanation doesn't really refute my argument.

In post 68, InflatablePie wrote:
BulletNLynchproof wrote:
In post 55, InflatablePie wrote:Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

This question is weird.

I'll elaborate and explain my thought process when I get an answer. Promise.

In post 96, Postie wrote:
In post 55, InflatablePie wrote:Postie, given you're townreading BnL, why vote for yourself and RC rather than add a third player in your room vote?

Well, me and RC had a room last game that worked out well and I was just looking to replicate that, so it didn't really cross my mind. That's a good point though, although I'm not sure I townread BNL
enough
to want a room with him at the moment, plus I have no idea whether RC would want him in one. Perhaps it's best for me to wait a little bit longer and see how my reads develop, and then choose a third person with RC that we're both townreading.

So, my thought process was that Postie has a townread on BNL for his 333-Rooms strategy. It stands to reason that Postie would be more likely to be in support of that plan, especially given her post 26 states she wants to see the rooms 'abused as much as possible'. So it really struck me as odd that someone who wants to abuse the mechanic doesn't even try to follow a proposed 'optimal' plan for using said mechanic. Make sense?

I don't like this answer too much btw. I do actually like that BNL noticed that my question was weird, because I realized that the question doesn't look logically sound given the way I worded it. Meanwhile, Postie treating RC like they're masons doesn't sit well with me. I don't think they're scum

together

(similarly, I think the odds of Lickety/Titus being scum together is low) but I can see scumPostie attempting to pocket townRC here. Postie isn't even saying "I'd want to hear from RC, my townread", she's wanting RC and herself in a room together

solely

because they were in one last game. Not even attempting to sort RC here, and he's made what... three posts so far? Yuck.

In post 114, RadiantCowbells wrote:If I was scum here, who would you most expect to be my partner and why?

You've made 4 posts, so there's really nothing to link you as far as associative tells. So not me or Postie. That's all I got without rereading the whole game for

other

players mentioning you, which I'm not doing right now.

In post 124, Titus wrote:
In post 122, LicketyQuickety wrote:BPL and Titus and myself should all be in the same room.

No. I don't want scum in our room.

insert snarky comment here

InflatablePie · Post Post #127 (isolation #23) » Sun Dec 13, 2015 11:15 am

RC and Vyse have promised content, so I'm just gonna sit back and wait on that. Don't want to tunnel too hard on my readslist given I only really have Postie/Titus/BNL/LQ to read right now. Espy definitely needs to post some more content too, and honestly I'm fine quickwagoning any of the three if they don't step up with something soon.

@mod:

if Jester needs to be replaced, can we get an extension equal to the amount of time it takes to find a replacement?

Yeah. I've got 3 people in the replacement queue so it shouldn't take long, but we can have an extension. --P

Actually... I don't think both scum are in the five active players. Statistically unlikely and all.

Which is unfortunate because I have reasons to scumread literally everyone who's posted so far, with I guess BnL being my highest townread right now.

InflatablePie · Post Post #135 (isolation #24) » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:32 pm

In post 130, Hawk Eyes wrote:Why would you scum read him now if you're expecting to not scum read him later?

explaining the joke is like dissecting a frog

InflatablePie · Post Post #169 (isolation #25) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:19 pm

In post 166, Postie wrote:What gave you the impression I was townreading RC?

96

Hydra dissonance is making me want it dead, but I'm also fine with running up Espy til he contributes or something.

UNVOTE:
Gonna look shit over tomorrow when I'm not super tired.

InflatablePie · Post Post #170 (isolation #26) » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:20 pm

Still leaning scum (at least) on LQ btw, I'll explain my unvote tomorrow.

InflatablePie · Post Post #201 (isolation #27) » Thu Dec 17, 2015 6:00 am

Prod/content dodge, was too lazy yesterday. I'll try to get to it tonight.

InflatablePie · Post Post #258 (isolation #28) » Sat Dec 19, 2015 5:13 pm

Sorry sorry. Second week of a new job and my downtime has been occupied by other things.

I will say that I unvoted because LQ's immediate countervote was giving me slight townvibes but I can't make up my mind.

Leaning town on RC for his aggressiveness, and I need to actually read Vyse's posts to sort him.

Votes probably going on Titushydra barring seeing something obviously scummy on the reread

InflatablePie · Post Post #309 (isolation #29) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 7:37 am

vote LQ

This is fine, especially considering DL is looming.

I'll try to get a post in before deadline but holidays and procrastination etc.

Merry Christmas to everyone btw.

InflatablePie · Post Post #311 (isolation #30) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 8:41 am

Eh sure.

GAR: Postiespeonage

#apathy

InflatablePie · Post Post #319 (isolation #31) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 10:17 am

GAR: Vyse RC Pie

#apathy
#justtownthings
#piethoughts

InflatablePie · Post Post #369 (isolation #32) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:02 pm

This last page is making me heavily lean HawkEyes scum, because I see exactly where BnL is getting at and don't see how that logic comes from town... but we're not getting that lynch this close to deadline so. Like yeah, I don't like BnL jumping off LQ here, but I can easily see it from town trying to make a point. I don't see how town-Hawkeyes trying to educate scum-BnL in 354 makes any sense.

Actually yeah it is just a flat out scumslip because he said "if you do this, scum will know to do" to a scumread.

fuck it changing my mind again

unvote
vote Hawk Eyes

Me, Postie, BNL - so LQ and Vyse, y'all better hammer or else we NL.

InflatablePie · Post Post #370 (isolation #33) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:04 pm

If Hawkeye flips town my room sure is gonna be interesting tonight

InflatablePie · Post Post #371 (isolation #34) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:06 pm

and if LQ doesn't hammer... then I'm going to have an aneurysm sorting him, Hawkeye and BnL.

oh well, with no one else awake and Hawkeye never voting LQ, this actually is the only plausible lynch rn anyway

InflatablePie · Post Post #372 (isolation #35) » Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:07 pm

either way getting a scumslip for xmas is pretty nice

going to bed though, so hopefully I don't wake up to a NL

InflatablePie · Post Post #443 (isolation #36) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:49 am

yep

VOTE: Bella

InflatablePie · Post Post #444 (isolation #37) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:52 am

387 is a soft defense of Titus but I dunno how smart it would be to say that as Hawkeyes scumpartner after the lynch went through.

Also asking Postie and I why we weren't voting but didn't have a vote on Day end

So meh, fine with parking here for a bit at least.

InflatablePie · Post Post #445 (isolation #38) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 11:58 am

I'm town, Postie is town, BnL is town.

Espe and Bella haven't done much. Espe voting Titus makes me want to look at Bella first, despite the possibility of bussing.

Vyse and RC are leaning town, Vyse moreso bc paranoia. Especially considering RC basically only wanted LQ dead and now he's dead and that's setting off alarm bells (coupled with his room vote of me him Titus early on). I'm not gonna entertain that for a while though.

PoEing this shouldn't take longer than a Day or two at this point imo

InflatablePie · Post Post #447 (isolation #39) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:14 pm

you're the worst you know

InflatablePie · Post Post #449 (isolation #40) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:20 pm

meh

if Bella isn't scum, last scum wouldn't hammer, and most town wouldn't want to hammer because they'd be self-aware enough to realize they'd become a distraction/target. assuming everyone in this game is competent anyway, which I believe is true.

InflatablePie · Post Post #450 (isolation #41) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:21 pm

I could type a mastin-sized wall of how in situations like these, flashwagoning someone to L-1 can give us a wide range of information, but as usual, lazy.

InflatablePie · Post Post #451 (isolation #42) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:24 pm

short version is that with one scum down I'm pretty okay with quicklynching because it gives scum less time to react and blend in when they're already on the ropes. there's nothing wrong with lengthening the day (to an extent obv), it's just something I'd prefer to do.

also we have some rooms that will open during Night phase so it's really not a huge deal and actually adds to the list of reasons to quicklynch if we're confident we have a few rooms without the last scum in them.

InflatablePie · Post Post #453 (isolation #43) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:25 pm

trust me I'm trying really hard to

InflatablePie · Post Post #456 (isolation #44) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:32 pm

probably not

you think Hawkeye was trying to last-minute push his scumbuddy to "clear" him/Hawkeye or something?

InflatablePie · Post Post #457 (isolation #45) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:33 pm

I mean that's not too unreasonable a leap I guess given how gung-ho you were about LQ being scum with Hawkeye

I feel like you're going too far into the WIFOM rabbit hole with these associatives though, instead of sticking to Occam's Razor

InflatablePie · Post Post #459 (isolation #46) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:36 pm

eh I guess.

I'll take a look at the interactions later because why not, but I'll be going into it biased towards there being nothing there ftr

InflatablePie · Post Post #462 (isolation #47) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:44 pm

as long as this doesn't turn into "let's talk every little thing out until deadline to try and win on D2", because that's how town become apathetic in a situation like this. reads become stale, paranoia spreads, etc.

again, I'm wary of entertaining these reads because it allows scum to slip through to lylo a lot easier.

we have three shots to hit one scum, we're pretty likely to win if we don't lose focus.

[pedit] that makes sense. at least you're aware of it.

InflatablePie · Post Post #463 (isolation #48) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:46 pm

I'll be back later, or after some other people have chimed in, depending.

InflatablePie · Post Post #464 (isolation #49) » Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:48 pm

also keep in mind that one wrong kill or mis-RB can eliminate a townie from the lynch pool and give us a HUGE advantage as a result. like how I've narrowed it down to Espe or Bella for now, what if one of them dies tonight? or for you, what if BnL dies tonight? (assuming we hit town today duh-doy)

again, it really may be worth it to quicklynch to lylo with scum being so on the ropes here.

InflatablePie · Post Post #472 (isolation #50) » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:29 am

In post 470, BNL wrote:
In post 445, InflatablePie wrote:Vyse and RC are leaning town, Vyse moreso bc paranoia.

What paranoia are you taking about? Don't see Vyse being paranoid about anything.

Er, sorry. Moreso because of my paranoia of RC being scum.

InflatablePie · Post Post #473 (isolation #51) » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:59 am

Also, my schedule this week is at least 45 hours between both jobs, so activity this week is gonna be kinda low. I'll probably be posting on mobile for a while.

InflatablePie · Post Post #535 (isolation #52) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:16 pm

well THAT didn't work.

InflatablePie · Post Post #537 (isolation #53) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:25 pm

you should probably post this case you were talking about, as to help convince Espeonage as well

your approach to this isn't very townie and again, if you ARE town, you're being a giant distraction right now. at least for me.

so.

I still think it's correct to lynch Espeonage. If he is town, we lynch RC in LYLO. Not that hard. I really, really do not see Postie nor Vyse being scum, at all.

InflatablePie · Post Post #540 (isolation #54) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:33 pm

So I was gonna say that RC being scum is really weird though, because the people he keeps wanting to lynch (LQ going into N1, BnL going into N2) keep dying.

Then I noticed he's basically townread Postie and that's it

like he went from thinking it was BnL, to Vyse in 498, to Espe in 519 to me over Night.

that's not sitting well with me

but I still think it's just Espy and RC is being... well, bad.

InflatablePie · Post Post #541 (isolation #55) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:36 pm

RC also has no reason to make a "Titus CW was weird" comment after her lynch.

like... I'd feel a half-decent scum player would say something not so blah

vote Espe

going to bed

InflatablePie · Post Post #543 (isolation #56) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:37 pm

you don't have to bother with being condescending because it's not going to do anything

InflatablePie · Post Post #544 (isolation #57) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:41 pm

In post 434, BNL wrote:Some updated reads:

Espionage is town, I do not see any scum motivation in the Hawk Eyes vote near deadline.

Postie is town too, her only serious vote was on Hawk Eyes, and I don't think scum is going to votepark their partner.

RC is likely town according to his scum meta of hard bussing.

Also all the above reads are supported by my previous post #421

BnL was scumreading me and Vyse by PoE.

Hm.

InflatablePie · Post Post #545 (isolation #58) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:41 pm

nevermind, seriously need to go to bed. argh.

InflatablePie · Post Post #548 (isolation #59) » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:53 pm

Why would you be NKed over Postie or BnL or anyone else? If I'm not scum, I mean, because I know your response otherwise and I'm already offended at your lack of confidence in my scumgame.

Anyway I came back on real quick to say that no matter who gets lynched today, we all need to go into Night with a unanimous townread to basically be an IC in lylo in case we don't just win today and set up whatever we need to with BGs and Rooms. Because I think the odds of three town players all agreeing the last scum is the towniest person in the game is unlikely (and frankly hilarious if it were to happen)

RC, do you disagree?

InflatablePie · Post Post #564 (isolation #60) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:21 am

Arrrrgh.

Don't rush rooms. If, say, RC is lynched today, Postie (as our pesudo IC) needs rooms with Espy and myself in case she wants to direct BGs.

@Postie, I said IF we went with 2223. I made it a point multiple times in my ISO I preferred not spamming rooms day one to 333, and wanted 2223 the least.

I wanted the 2 room if 2223 happened because I was suspicious of Titus and keeping an eye on her when I was pressuring LQ, because I was aware Titus' scumgame is played with specific conclusions in mind and she would try to cause those scenarios or conclusions with her actions. So her wanting to take a town leader role with suboptimal strategy was making alarm bells go off.

LQ then kinda forced my hand with something he said and I revealed my scumread on titus because of that, go look in my ISO somewhere for that.

InflatablePie · Post Post #565 (isolation #61) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 8:23 am

So a room with Titus would have allowed me to prevent her from worming her way into persuading others, while also letting me sort her without revealing my scumread.

Then LQ pissed me off.

InflatablePie · Post Post #567 (isolation #62) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:02 am

Eat me.

Same logic applies if Vyse is today's lynch, no?

InflatablePie · Post Post #568 (isolation #63) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:03 am

Gonna reiterate that it's probably just Espy.

@Mod, VLA til Sun

InflatablePie · Post Post #570 (isolation #64) » Thu Dec 31, 2015 11:06 am

Still no reason not to set up a hugely pro town strat just in case.

I think lynching Esp ends the game but I still want rooms set up before that happens.

InflatablePie · Post Post #694 (isolation #65) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:13 am

I keep forgetting Espe had the chance to hammer BNL and L1'd Hawkeye instead.

Hmm.

InflatablePie · Post Post #696 (isolation #66) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:16 am

UNVOTE:

InflatablePie · Post Post #699 (isolation #67) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:19 am

Sorry, phone fucked up and wouldn't let me type more after my unvote.

no

pedit k

InflatablePie · Post Post #701 (isolation #68) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:20 am

Slinging mud my way and throwing a tantrum accomplishes nothing btw.

Why would scum!Espe not hammer BNL D1?

InflatablePie · Post Post #719 (isolation #69) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 11:56 am

right,

I'm

being the obnoxious cunt

at least I have something to read at work so thx

pedit - neener

InflatablePie · Post Post #720 (isolation #70) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:05 pm

skimming

your OMG LOOK AT ME I M TOWN part of your case (where I voted Hawk for the slip) is very... I feel like you're assuming I'm scum and so that logic would make sense. Also, at the point I made that post, Hawk was at L2 w my vote and there was like 6hrs to DL with only 2ish people I was sure were online. Of course I'm gonna spell out my thought process when I'm risking forcing a NL.

I don't get your thought process at all, and I also don't get why you're calling me scum for BIG DRAMATIC POSTING when a much better example is your PostiePlan with the whole WELL FUCK YOU GUYS FOR NOT HAMMERIN MAH ROOM LOOK AT HOW TOWN THIS IDEA WUZ.

Sigh

InflatablePie · Post Post #726 (isolation #71) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:19 pm

I was waiting for Espe to offer any content to decide between you and RC so I don't see how your impatience is my fault. Don't be immature and take responsibility for your actions. Unless you're scum in which case whatever.

Postie, why is RC town? And can you answer my Espe question since RC won't? (Also RC, you said you're not scumreading Esp or rather implied it, but you last said it was Vyse or Esp so I assumed since he was in your lynch pool...)

pedit AtE not gonna work

InflatablePie · Post Post #727 (isolation #72) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:19 pm

Between you and him/Espe*

InflatablePie · Post Post #730 (isolation #73) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:25 pm

I try not to use meta because when I do, I end up just tunneling on my current read. I've stressed my dislike for using meta as any alignment (and I will repeat this postgame if it makes you feel better).

InflatablePie · Post Post #732 (isolation #74) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:28 pm

RC, why call me scum for "jumping on gogurts' plan" when gogurts could have seen me scumreading you from the PT and is attempting to cash in on that?

I'm asking with your PoV in mind; not saying gogurts is scum necessarily.

Pedit, I dunno, the previous games you pointed out maybe

InflatablePie · Post Post #739 (isolation #75) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:44 pm

I'm not appealing to you like you're town, I want you to explain why you're not applying similar logic to someone else.

InflatablePie · Post Post #742 (isolation #76) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:46 pm

I'm not giving a room to someone who's pushing for my lynch

gee

InflatablePie · Post Post #768 (isolation #77) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:32 pm

well RC unvoting me is honorable at least

I'll sit down and post a wall o thoughts by Sun/Mon - tonight is xRECKONERx's bday celebration, and tomorrow night I'm supposed to be doing Shadowrun campaign stuff I've procrastinated.

pedit hi

InflatablePie · Post Post #770 (isolation #78) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:37 pm

so aside from leaning scum on you, giving you and Postie another room means we're short a night PT yeah?

I want to hammer it anyway solely so you'll shut the hell up but I really think having the ability to outgame last scum could be useful

And yeah, well, my gut says you or Espy and my brain has 1-2 reasons to townread both of you so join the club

InflatablePie · Post Post #773 (isolation #79) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:40 pm

like... I know how this sounds but I'm literally even considering the chances of fuckin Postie being scum.

I'm usually great at PoE but the longer this goes on the more difficult it's getting

Pedit, I will on Sun or Mon, including what's giving me pause. If I don't, lynch away

I also kinda want a room to help sort someone but can't decide who I want a room with. Taking suggestions. <_<

pedit2 ayyyy

InflatablePie · Post Post #775 (isolation #80) » Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:46 pm

Lemme go drink and think things over, I'll consider getting you and Postie that room tonight or tomorrow. Or not but yknow

Fine with a room w us too but again I need to think.

InflatablePie · Post Post #976 (isolation #81) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:43 am

o man

if only I hadn't gotten lynched 11 days til DL when I was starting to consider scumPostie

/bitter

Honestly I was pretty hardtunnel on RC tho so I probably would have voted Espe but my early Postie read hurts in hindsight

InflatablePie · Post Post #977 (isolation #82) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:46 am

also RC if I could offer some unsolicited advice, your method of confronting scumreads (the whole "you're scum but I'm not saying why") is insanely distracting if your target is town. At least for me, but you pulled that with LQ too. Maybe work on that or try another strat.

That said I'm not too mad, gg wp Postie

InflatablePie · Post Post #978 (isolation #83) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 4:48 am

I'm gonna leave the thread til next page bc I keep rereading RCs post above and now I'm getting mad <_<

need to work on not abandoning all of my early reads, when I'm town I always seem to call a scum (or multiple) early then just forget about them. Bleh

InflatablePie · Post Post #985 (isolation #84) » Wed Jan 06, 2016 7:15 am

yeah it's fine, no hard feelings

keep up the good plays Postie