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TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 54, Jingle wrote:You may begin your worship of me.
Also, I'm not catching up, it's far too long. Someone is gonna need to summarize everything that's happened.
Jingley!
Summary: No one is doing anything and out of boredom I'm posting poorly-written smut.
Careful, my join you. I'll start peeing on people's wheaties to stir up thread activity in 4 hours.
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In post 62, ++-- wrote:I think that if the thread's activity continues like this, we should just assume that a few hundred more posts happened and randomly assume that someone is scummy.
This is an excellent idea.
VOTE: ++--
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In post 61, Jingle wrote:Careful, I might join you.
FTFM
Preliminary reads, not based at all on the three pages I didn't read.
Cause for concern:
++--
Huntress
Piss off, I don't have to read you:
Reck
TTH
I'm gonna have to slap you upside the head with an activity stick:
The rest of the party.
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Hey, Xay. Long time no see.
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In post 83, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 81, Jingle wrote:I could quote her entire iso if that'll help.
I can't actually cause I'm mobile, but you get my point.
I actually am embarrassed to admit I don't. I feel really stupid right now.
Her entire ISO is various shades of questionable to me. I'll explain why when I'm not trying to get a migraine. Probably tomorrow afternoon at this point.This is a Parachute.-
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In post 97, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 90, Jingle wrote:
Her entire ISO is various shades of questionable to me. I'll explain why when I'm not trying to get a migraine. Probably tomorrow afternoon at this point.
Here, hon, I'll do the busy work for you.
In post 19, Huntress wrote:In post 16, Dry-fit wrote:I'm going to be following the wishes of the innocent children this game, and everyone else should do the same.
Why? They actually know slightly less than we do.
In post 17, Pine wrote:Yeah no
This is the scum, here. Disavowing responsibility and hedging his bets
We've all had a fun RVS, but it's time to play for reals now
But no vote?
I was thinking of switching to Dry-fit after 16, but now I'm happy with where my vote is.
11 has a surface appearance of trying to generate discussion and reads, but there's no real follow through.
19 begins by marginalizing the ICs' reads, which I find suspect. Then she pushes Pine for what appears to be no reason. The idea that scum Pine is in any way more reluctant to vote when he pushes people than town pine is is alien to me.
40 is a switch off of Pine when the momentum there seems to be stalling and TTH started pushing at Xay. There's no reasoning or content, and I don't see anything from Pine that I think would have changed her mind if her original read was genuine.
Further, she'd been inactive for almost two days when I posted, which itself was cause for concern when the big problem with the thread is lack of activity.
In post 101, TellTaleHeart wrote:xRECKONERx wrote:In post 96, Pine wrote:How so?
Because I operate selfishly when I play mafia and it's much easier for me to glean reads off of people attacking me than off of people attacking other people, and nobody's going to attack me if I'm IC.
A likely story... I bet you just don't want scum to kill you with their vengekill.
Why do you throw me under the bus like this, Reck?
If it helps, TTH is terrible at this game and her reads are worthless.
In post 93, Huntress wrote:If I'd wanted an easy wagon I could have stayed on Dry-fit, or moved to Xayzeck following the IC's, rather than opening myself to criticism by following the most recent votes. But I think Xayzeck may be town and I was split between Dry and Pine, so I moved to a stronger scum read.
And my suspicion of your Dry-Fit vote and the fact that the Xay push had come before my discussion with him means nothing? As of post 40, why was Dry-fit a better vote than Pine?This is a Parachute.-
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I'm not sure what that means, but seriously, you should know better than to ask me that question. Have you read my signature?This is a Parachute.-
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In post 118, Huntress wrote:In post 104, Jingle wrote:11 has a surface appearance of trying to generate discussion and reads, but there's no real follow through.
Are you kidding me? If not please explain what you're getting at here in the view of the context of this particular post.
No kidding here. At least right now. Wagoning for the sake of wagoning has never led me to accurate reads, but it has proven quite useful in looking like it. Combine that with a lack of follow through on questioning Pine, and the picture she paints is not pretty.
In post 104, Jingle wrote:19 begins by marginalizing the ICs' reads, which I find suspect. Then she pushes Pine for what appears to be no reason. The idea that scum Pine is in any way more reluctant to vote when he pushes people than town pine is is alien to me.
You find questioning and probing to get reads "suspect" and "for no reason"?[/quote]
I find accusations with no basis in reality suspect, yes. If you're trying to build a read out of toothpicks, you're not gonna get a real read. You're gonna get a stack of toothpicks. Tell me again who is more concerned with making it look like they're looking for alignments than actually figuring things out. Unless you're Titus. Are you Titus? Or, if there's a logical basis behind the questioning, please share it with me.
In post 104, Jingle wrote:40 is a switch off of Pine when the momentum there seems to be stalling and TTH started pushing at Xay. There's no reasoning or content, and I don't see anything from Pine that I think would have changed her mind if her original read was genuine.
The wagon had served it's purpose in starting things moving. Pine responded without fuss to my 19 so I moved on to Dry-fit as I had said I was thinking of doing earlier. As you can see from my 82, the read on Pine is still there but it's not strong enough to lock on to.[/quote]
And as you can see from my post 104, I'd like to know why. What did Pine do that made him less wagon-worthy? What did Dry-Fit do that made him more wagon-worthy? What about Pine's response to 19 was so compelling? They why is very important Huntress. In fact, it's more important than the what.
In post 104, Jingle wrote:Further, she'd been inactive for almost two days when I posted, which itself was cause for concern when the big problem with the thread is lack of activity.
Life happens. It isnotan alignment tell.[/quote]
Cause for concern =/= alignment tell. Cause for concern = worth mentioning. Thank you.
In post 108, Jingle wrote:Huntress, if you'd be so kind as to respond to 103 I'd love to read it.
Attempting to make it look like I'm ignoring your post, are you?
I'm guessing it's ++--, Jingle and Pine in the library with the candlestick. Pine is the least certain of those.
Thank you, Huntress. And no, I was trying to make it look like I was waiting for a response before continuing. Possibly because I was waiting for a response before continuing.This is a Parachute.-
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In post 119, Dry-fit wrote:In post 115, Pine wrote:"Top suspect?" How can you even have a "top suspect" in post 16? No one had made any posts of substance. All I'd posted was two jokes. On page one.
I can have reads on page 1. Sometimes even pretty solid ones. It's nothing unusual. I tend to base reads on one or two posts more than other players, rather than on overall play.
[quote"Pine"]No, you were making an easy, scummy vote, while at the same time setting up an "I'm not responsible" excuse for when I flip Town. Now you're blustering and making excuses for past actions[/quote]
I don't feel its setting up an excuse. By all means I should be held responsible for the quality of my reads. I just think the ICs should make the ultimate decision about the lynch. It's not like I can make them the fall guys and get them lynched if a townie is lynched.
I would vote ++-- right now but that would be L-1 and I don't know if scum would be willing to go for quickhammer shenanigans in this setup.[/quote]
*Checks player list.
Nope, no Guyett or ika. You don't gotta worry about quickhammers.
But seriously, why are you so interested in putting him at L-1 if you're afraid of scum quickhammering. Do you think scum is gonna quickhammer other scum? Do you think it's against our interests to trade 1 for 1 with scum?
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You couldn't be more wrong, T. I'd never kill anyone with a tuba. They're unwieldy and inelegant, not to mention that it would actually be rather difficult.
And reck, cheeky isn't an alignment tell with me. If anything, it's a tell of how invested in the game I am and my opinion of the other players. I usually sober up eventually though.This is a Parachute.-
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In post 138, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 121, Jingle wrote:*Checks player list.
Nope, no Guyett or ika. You don't gotta worry about quickhammers.
But seriously, why are you so interested in putting him at L-1 if you're afraid of scum quickhammering. Do you think scum is gonna quickhammer other scum? Do you think it's against our interests to trade 1 for 1 with scum?
Hell, I'd be rather excited if scum quickhammered.
I'm surprised to hear something like this come from you, Jingle, because I know this is the kind of stuff you think about.
Due to the nature of the set-up, scum need to mislynch two VTs to win. With the scum vengekill in play, it doesn't necessarily matter how you get those mislynches and there's room to lose someone without needing to get more. Taking a 1 IC and 1 VT trade for 1 scum wouldn't be a bad strategic move.
Yes. I am good at setup spec. Very good. And trust me when I tell you that a quick hammer here is not in Scum's best interest. The thought would be that they only need one myslynch, but they're outing one of their own for a player who was already a likely lynch.
Further it doesn't solve the issue of being afraid of a quick hammer implying a town read on the player in question. Either you're willing for him to be lynched or you're not.
In post 134, TellTaleHeart wrote:
Did Jingle tell you to bus in the PT Xay, or did you come up with that on your own?
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In post 140, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 132, Xayzeck wrote:In post 126, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 125, xRECKONERx wrote:I have a light scum read on ++--
So does everyone else in this game. Get in line.
Rather surprising he hasn't been lynched yet then
More surprising to me is how there's no takers for the IC-blessed wagon. Instead, they opted to make their move on ++--.
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In post 139, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 130, Jingle wrote:I think your reading comprehension sucks.
While crudely expressed, I agree with the sentiment, Jingley. The Huntress case sucks. It holds her to this oddly high standard and the things I quoted in ISO look fairly innocuous to me. Having a kind of clunky and disjointed ISO would seem to me to come with the condition of not knowing what you're doing, which I actually associate more with town.
perhaps I hold her to high standard, but she was in the game that convinced me to join the site so I reserve that right.
Your reading comprehension also sucks, BTW. Check my iso and tell me what my read on huntress is.This is a Parachute.-
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In post 144, TellTaleHeart wrote:Don't you roll your eyes at me, Mr. Sugarpants. >:\
What's your explanation for how ++-- is so popular while the Xayzeck wagon languishes?
I'm not entirely sure, although I don't really think Xayzeck is scum at the moment.
In post 145, TellTaleHeart wrote:In post 143, Jingle wrote:Your reading comprehension also sucks, BTW. Check my iso and tell me what my read on huntress is.
I actually don't know. More scum than not, though.
I don't have one. She's done a couple of things to raise eyebrows, but I'm nowhere near sure on her. The "case" you keep referring to was in direct response to you asking me why I thought her behavior was worth noting, and was not intended to be convincing. If I wanted to fabricate a case, I'd fabricate a much better case.
In post 146, Dry-fit wrote:In post 121, Jingle wrote:[But seriously, why are you so interested in putting him at L-1 if you're afraid of scum quickhammering. Do you think scum is gonna quickhammer other scum? Do you think it's against our interests to trade 1 for 1 with scum?
Scum might want to quickhammer because it gives town less information. ++-- isn't by any means a lock for the lynch today so scum might jump for the chance. I'm not interested in giving scum the choice of whether or not to go down the quickhammer route if they feel it's in their interest. I may be wrong about whether or not it's a valid play but it does seem to me to be a legitimate option.
As for whether or not I'm willing to lynch ++--, as I've said I think it should be up to the ICs to decide. If it were up to me he'd be my top choice.
I don't have any kind of handle on Xay at the moment. I don't think that's a good sign.
It gives town less information how? Because the wagon of someone who is scary enough to quickhammer has no information? And the scum being willing to sacrifice one of their own before figuring out where everyone's reads are? It's a shitty idea.
In post 147, TellTaleHeart wrote:I think it's likely that ++-- is a patsy. There is an awkwardness about him, but I think it's more likely a result of being new than a result of being scum. This is supported by his fairly recent join date and his unfamiliarity with how the game is played on this site (Post 112). Looking at his ISO, it doesn't look like he starts conforming to the flow of the game, either. That's wouldn't seem characteristic of a man who has access to a PT with people familiar with the site meta. It's also unsettling that four out of six non-ICs were scum reading him and were either voting or expressed willingness to vote him. Add in my town read on Pine and this wagon is poison. I won't support it.
I would support this, though.
VOTE: Dry-Fit
Maybe. I do find it suspicious that it a bunch of people who are scumreading me sheeped me onto this vote.
I can agree that I at least need to look deeper at +
In post 148, Dry-fit wrote:Well that's disappointing.
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In post 158, Pine wrote:Why are people not voting Dry-Fit?
Because I'm not comfortable with the game state or where my reads are, and we've got a functionally infinite deadline so I'm in no hurry.
In post 159, Huntress wrote:I'll catch up with this in the morning.
I'll hold you to that. I'll also try to stir some shit up tomorrow. Hold me to that.This is a Parachute.-
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Dry-Fit- Pine has a point. In addition, he's very self aware with regard to wagon positioning. And 47 sounds a lot like he's trying to defend himself if Xay flips town. I can support this lynch.
Huntress- I'm not a fan of her explanation on why she switched to dry fit, and I don't see an attempt from her to read much of anyone. Her only interaction with Pine (aside from her RVS wagonvote) is to call him scum for not interacting with anyone. I can support this lynch.
Xayzeck- I remember thinking gut town from our back and forth, but I just read his ISO and I'm not really a fan of the fact that he didn't really explain his reads to my satisfaction. Xay, talk to me about +. Talk to me about Pine. Talk to me about Dry-Fit. How have these reads evolved. What are you thinking. What about me? What do you think about me. I might be able to get behind this lynch. We'll see.
Pine- He reads as confident in his Dry-Fit push. This is probably my strongest townread.
++-- It kinda feels like he's trying to convince me to vote him. Normally, I'd feel like this is a "low hanging fruit" situation after TTH's comment, but with him having a 60% chance of being scum... Well. I could get behind this lynch.This is a Parachute.-
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In post 197, TellTaleHeart wrote:Taking the opportunity to hit on Jingle is never a bad use of time.
GM, (And TTH) expound on your worry about me.
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In post 202, Impossibear wrote:In post 198, Dry-fit wrote:Although on the townie looking side the whole thing about saying that we in effect have no deadline in this game seems pretty damn town.
Why? I'm a setup spec and gamebreaking kind of player. Why would manipulating the setup (in a pretty damn obvious fashion, if I may) mean anything for my alignment?
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In post 128, Jingle wrote:Quick question. Why does a nightless game without plurality lynching have deadlines? If we hit deadline, the thread is going to stay open and the Vote Count is going to reset and nothing else is going to happen. Seems like a waste to me.
In post 160, Jingle wrote:Because I'm not comfortable with the game state or where my reads are, and we've got a functionally infinite deadline so I'm in no hurry.
In post 198, Dry-fit wrote:Although on the townie looking side the whole thing about saying that we in effect have no deadline in this game seems pretty damn town. So overall he's a conflicted read for me. More on the scum side though.
In post 214, Xayzeck wrote:hello gm
can you get your other IC's read in check?
thanks
oh lord 7 hours
VOTE: Pine
++-- is a good wagon too if you guys can flash him
No.
The only way you don't know the deadline is infinite is if you aren't reading the thread. And that means that you aren't scumhunting. The Xay I know doesn't miss shit like that in a 9 page game.
You're scum. And you're trying to get people to jump to a lynch without thinking.
Further, appealing to gm to influence TTH's reads?
Congrats though, you're making me think Pine is town.
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In post 234, Dry-fit wrote:In post 209, Pine wrote:Dry Fit is worse though. Continued attempts to avoid takin responsibility for his own reads, obvious attempts to hedge when he knows people will flip Town, buddying ICs, etc
If I'm hedging on voting anyone in this game, it's ++--. But you think he's scum. So how am I hedging on people I know will flip town in your opinion?
Top three scumreads right now:
++--
Jingle
Xay
I'm pretty much back to not having any town reads at all right now though.
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In post 243, Lying Cat wrote:Boxers.
If you're asking for scumreads, pine is my only townead and I'm not at all sure on anyone but xayzeck.
I link to my case when I get home tonight, or you can check my iso.
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In post 252, Xayzeck wrote:
Blind
In post 249, Huntress wrote:Vote: Xayzeck
In post 241, Pine wrote:Not the votes themselves, per se, but your reasoning and timing have felt quite a bit off. It's a common scum assertion that, just because they've voted scummy people, that that automatically makes their reasons scummy. It ain't true
I haven't gotten much significant vibe from Xayzeck. Sell me on why he's scummy?
That second sentence doesn't make sense. What did you actually mean there?
As for Xay, it's just a gut feeling, as I said earlier.
Not as blind
In post 247, Dry-fit wrote:In post 237, Jingle wrote:Is that dissonance painful.
Yeah. I'm kind of antsy to see a flip to see where to go from here.
Vote: Xayzeck.
Could be scum
Scum
Because there is significant case on me being scum, and you guys should be competent enough to realise that.
At worst, I'm apathetic town, and best I'm lurkytown.
I've pushed 0 scum motivation. Don't be dumb.
VOTE: Jingle
And you can make way better pushes like that if you cared about solving this game, which you clearly don't since you're pushing me, therefore you're scum.
Not rocket science, guys.
I see 0 town motivation in any of your posts. This reminds me of a game we played, where you were wax and Wisdom dropped off of the radar. Lemme look once more at your alignment in that game? Oh yeah...
"Angry Pidgeon" wrote:Wax:mafia goon, lynched day 2!
thetown! (Krystal Bald, Slainte Mhath, Jake from State Farm, Calcifer, Brian Skies, Snork, and Jingle) have won!!!
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go
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What exactly is hard to understand about surface level reads and going with the flow being scum motivated? I don't have to explain things that are obvious.
In post 252, Xayzeck wrote:And you can make way better pushes like that if you cared about solving this game, which you clearly don't since you're pushing me, therefore you're scum.
Back at ya, buddy. Have we had the discussion about hypocrisy as a scumtell? I thought I mentioned it to you back when you were a newbie. Ah well, you're projecting your own behavior onto me and calling it scummy.
I remember enough about your meta to remember you being apathetic as fuck as scum, and your own wiki seems to support me by telling me you're more interested in playing as town.
Your apathy and lack of presence is exactly what I expect from scum-you here. You tried to let the thread apathy foster until deadline, pushed a deadline lynch, and then realized you're boned when the game revealed itself to be independent of deadlines. Sorry, Xay. I love you and I love playing with you, but this time you drew scum and I caught you.This is a Parachute.-
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In post 279, goodmorning wrote:@Jingle: Why don't you want Pine lynched again?
He looked like he was trying to get town moving with hi dryfit push and it felt like he did when we were masons together. I'm holding onto the read for sanity reasons, but more importantly, XAYZECK IS SCUM.This is a Parachute.-
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Yes. But that's okay, lynch Xay with me and everything will be alright.
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In post 17, Pine wrote:In post 16, Dry-fit wrote:I'm going to be following the wishes of the innocent children this game, and everyone else should do the same.
Pine probably is scum but I'm not going to vote him right now.
Yeah no
This is the scum, here. Disavowing responsibility and hedging his bets
We've all had a fun RVS, but it's time to play for reals now
This reads to me like he's trying to generate real discussion and move the town out of RVS. It doesn't hurt that I can understand why he finds fault with Dry's post.
In post 29, Pine wrote:Because of wagon position? Kinda weak. Dry fit is better
He didn't need to say anything here. But he is. He's trying to find out why people think the way they do, and yet he's still holding true to his read. He's not going where the wind may take him, but actually taking a stance and fighting for his reads.
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In post 311, Huntress wrote:Jingle's "Bussing is stupid in this setup." comment is still bothering me. Because it's not true. If scum refuse to bus they're going to stick out like a sore thumb.
Bussing =\= distancing.
And no, they wouldn't. You push one person to lynch. I would bet that scum have each other as secondary or tertiary scum reads.
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