Hi
VOTE: Mathdino
Because dinosaurs eat... rope?
P-EDIT: That was
In post 11, Scripten wrote:Center square isn't necessary to win a game so I wouldn't count on scum autolynching Pine, especially if his reads are off.
In post 16, Mathdino wrote:Correct, from my perspective, 3/7 of the time this won't work due to losing in LyLo.
As such, we can always completely abandon this and just find the scumteam.
Also I lol'd when I checked the wiki page. Micro 115, the first time this setup was played, town could've auto won after lynching scum D1 and mafia killing a side xD
The issue is, in order to autowin, they'd have been forced to lynch the centre, which is probably something people got cold feet about.
In post 18, Scripten wrote:In post 16, Mathdino wrote:Correct, from my perspective, 3/7 of the time this won't work due to losing in LyLo.
As such, we can always completely abandon this and just find the scumteam.
Also I lol'd when I checked the wiki page. Micro 115, the first time this setup was played, town could've auto won after lynching scum D1 and mafia killing a side xD
The issue is, in order to autowin, they'd have been forced to lynch the centre, which is probably something people got cold feet about.
That game's only five pages. It doesn't take long at all to read the whole thing. Micro 130 is longer, but not by much, and is a little more interesting. I'm about halfway through.
In post 21, Belisarius wrote:I'm down with lynching a corner, but haven't decided which one, so I'm not committing a vote. I know I'm not voting Mathdino, though.
In post 28, Belisarius wrote:In post 24, Kaboose wrote:Why not mathdino?
A non-obvBS attempt to create a breaking strategy on page 1. Yes, this could come from scum if there's a clear flaw to it that scum could exploit, but it's less likely to.
In post 36, Mathdino wrote:
Hey guys, I think Pine is town for including himself in his own lynchpool.
Regardless, I very much don't expect to be townread for setup spec, since that's pretty easy to fake and if the game's full of smart people (case and point: Kaboose), it's probably gonna get broken anyway.
Scumhunting > setup spec. SS is just something to talk about at the beginning and a good way to structure the game.
In post 39, Pine wrote:All lynches are pro-Town naughts
All night kills are pro-scum crosses
Why would we give the most powerful square to scum
In post 62, Pine wrote:
Our best bet is to take a corner, that gives us options. I think it should be RedCoyote. This is just the reaction I was resting for.the opportunity to lynch an Innocdnt Child who's willing to go is just too much a temptation
Vote RedCoyote
In post 91, Mathdino wrote:Nope. Something I should know/read?
In post 93, Kaboose wrote:
Why aren't you following the thread? I have a vote on RedCoyote.
I wrote about the one part that stuck out to me because everyone else already hit home the rest of it. I didn't need to go over it again with the same brush.
In post 154, Pine wrote:If I get night killed, I absolutely without reservation DEMAND T-Bone's lynch. No excuses
In post 190, Kaboose wrote:In post 188, Belisarius wrote:Alas, that is correct.
I kind of want to lynch vettrock and win today, but if I'm wrong, we lose the initiative.
VOTE: Mathdino
Anyone else see a problem with this?
T-Bone | Belisarius | X Mathdino |
X Kaboose |
0 Pine |
0 vettrock |
Equinox | Scripten | X RedCoyote |
T-Bone | Belisarius | 0 Mathdino |
Kaboose | 0 Pine |
X vettrock |
X Equinox |
Scripten | X RedCoyote |
In post 202, Kaboose wrote:Actually I was looking at the wrong square. It would give us T-Bone, Equinox, and one Belisarius or Scripten.
In post 254, Kaboose wrote:
This was his first post of the day and when I saw it the first thing that popped in my head was that it didn't make sense.
Because there was no point voting Mathdino just to get to Vettrock, because if he was bold enough to suggest Vett is the last scum, but not willing to talk us in to it? What does it really matter if we're losing initiative(Which we wouldn't)? How does this add up, he clearly thinks Vett to be the last scum, but is happy to go along with the self-vote?
In post 254, Kaboose wrote:
This was his third post of D2 and again was not correct to me. Lynching Math doesn't put T-Bone anywhere near the line of fire. In fact it's pretty safe to assume T-Bone will be in LyLo if we get that far.
What gets me is he town read Mathdino and Equinox. Yet was sooooo fast to vote Mathdino, because he knows if we lynch Equinox he'll be in for a lynch come D3.
In post 257, T-Bone wrote:Nah I'm not interested in letting scum tell me what to do Math.
In post 303, T-Bone wrote:That is like the worst lynch we can do from a tic tac toe perspective.
In post 332, Belisarius wrote:Wait what? I clearly don't know what I think.
Hit me with your best Pol Pot joke!
In post 348, T-Bone wrote:Equinox, Beli, Scripten from most to least.
In post 360, T-Bone wrote:
It's really easy for Equinoxscum to have minimal input (and his input was minimal before his v/la), because of how loud so many other players are. Plus with everyone going "lol Bone is getting mislynched in LyLo" he doesn't have to do anything. Someone early on pointed out that lurking scum is probably the best way to win this set-up, and I buy it as the most likely strategy being implored. Though really Beliscum can do whatever the fuck he wants (and he is) because he is going to take whoever is going to vote for me with minimal discussion.
There is very little I can do to prevent the scum victory though, I am at the top of all the LyLo lists, so we've already lost. I've hardly done anything pro-scum this game but fuck it because I'm obviously scum trying to draw as much attention to myself as possible and quick hammering my buddy on Day 1 for the lulz. Because THAT is the simplest scenario.
In post 370, Kaboose wrote:I like Equinox the most, and you and Scripten the least. That's my case.
In post 372, Kaboose wrote:
Why would I answer that? Why would I help scum figure out their next night kill? Also what good is my help if the person I'm scum leaning ends up night killed? You'd be in the same spot as you will be with me saying what I just said.
In post 376, Kaboose wrote:Am I right that no one wants to be the second vote? Why havent I been voted on any?
In post 386, Kaboose wrote:
Scripten if you could only choose between your lynch and equinox's lynch to win, who would you chose?
In post 390, Kaboose wrote:Why do you assume you would be alive the next day phase?
In post 394, Kaboose wrote:
I admit your question probably was the trickiest, I was just simply coming up with random things to get people talking about whatever. My point here is that in your first sentence:
now scum can't tie the vote at the last minute.
This makes little sense to me because there's only 1 scum left. Even if they voted someone else, there'd be 3 other people out there to cast those last two votes.
In post 394, Kaboose wrote:
Now my point about you assuming you'll be alive is in your third sentence:
Assume I will vote anyone who quickhammers right out of the gate tomorrow.
If any of the three others quick hammer right now. Why do you assume you'd be alive the next day phase to vote for them?
In post 419, Belisarius wrote:Annnnnnd now I have doubts.
Why do you need us to crossvote in order to figure anything out?
In post 421, Belisarius wrote:That was before you got so hurry-up-and-votey.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
If I'd voted, sure. But what happens whenyouvote first, with practically zero discussion during lylo: I'd post "not scum" right afterwards and remove your ability to push a lynch on me if I didn't stick to the plan from previous Days. T-Bone would thenknowyou're scum, and the cross-vote situation puts you squarely in the line of fire if I look over your ISO more closely, like I just did, and noticed all of the nervous energy evinced by the rapid-fire sentence fragments you used early on before you became confident that you were definitely going to win.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
I could notice that that nervous energy dissipated when it became clear that Math was going to be lynched D2 instead of Equinox, who would have been an equally valid move from a TTT perspective, which put the game on a trajectory that led clearly to you being in lylo.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
I could revisit that you weresoconfident that you weren't going to get NK'd last night. Isure as hellnoticed that you waltzed into lylo acting like you're actually conftown, and anyone with even a basic understanding of marketing knows the principle of brainwashing people into believing something just by repeating it often enough.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
T-Bone, conversely, didn't vote right at the beginning, and scum who thought they'd already lost the way T-Bone does would have nothing to lose. Why didn't he vote me? Because he's not sure he's right. He would be sure of both of our alignments if he were scum. From a scum T-Bone perspective, a Beli vote would be one last fuck you to town, and I know if I walk into lylo certain of losing, I'm going to face Jack Ketch with a defiant snarl and an upraised middle finger. I'd want to go down like Khan, quoting Melville.
In post 425, Belisarius wrote:By the way, you're still dodging the question about why you need me and T-Bone to crossvote before you can scumhunt.
In post 428, T-Bone wrote:
The argument that "only scum" vote first in LyLo is a stupid one, because someone HAS to vote first eventually. I briefly considered playing that game where I would vote Beli then immediately unvote, but that was probably just dumb. But so is your point on that. If I'm scum (from your PoV) Beli voting first and you going "not scum lol" wouldn't do anything to solve the game, wouldn't do anything to prove he's scum.
In post 405, F-16_Fighting_Falcon wrote:
A couple of options: a) I hammer Kaboose and we either win or the game goes to 3P LYLO. I'm not very optimistic on us winning considering Kaboose's attitude reads as town as is his willingness to allow himself to be lynched. b) We scumhunt as normal and try and figure out who the remaining scum is. I believe choice (a) is more statistically optimal though and perhaps even preferable.
I will not one thing though - It is actually suboptimal for us to discuss our reads if the day ends up being a lynch on Kaboose for Tic Tac Toe purposes. That only provides scum with information on who to nightkill. It is somewhat similar to the day of a no lynch before MYLO. Explaining our reads help scum make better choices tonight. What you guys did earlier with the list of reads from towniest to scummiest was something I thought wasn't helpful but what's done is done.
T-Bone wrote:Also I've have the pleasure to sit in the position of scum being townread at 3p LyLo before and have done like you did, I said something to the effect of "sigh, you guys should cross vote and I'll try to figure it out". So I get where Beli is coming from, where were you coming from?
In post 400, Belisarius wrote:In post 399, Kaboose wrote:Do you think Scripten assuming he'll be alive on the last day was at all a slip of some type?
No. I'm assuming that I'll be alive on the last day as well, it's statistically pretty likely.
It'll definitely be either Scripten or me, and I think it's more likely for Scripten to eat the NK due to the fact that more people want to lynch me than him, but that could easily be a perspective problem.
In post 415, Belisarius wrote:Yeah, that's what I thought.
Ready to vote T-Bone and win this any ol' time.
In post 436, Belisarius wrote:
All of it. I wanted to lynch Mathdino to get vet and T-Bone and spare Equinox, so I was happy to go along with Math's volunteering to get lynched, but lynching Equinox would have been a better move for anyone who wanted to getyouand spare Mathdino.
In post 436, Belisarius wrote:
That's not what I said. I thought it wasn't relevantthen...but then you asked me to crossvote. That made me re-evaluate my position. Townies who want to win need to be willing to re-evaluate their reads.
In post 436, Belisarius wrote:
By the way, good job glossing over this without looking like you were glossing over it by quoting two sentences and only respondng to one:
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
Isure as hellnoticed that you waltzed into lylo acting like you're actually conftown, and anyone with even a basic understanding of marketing knows the principle of brainwashing people into believing something just by repeating it often enough.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
Now thatyou'recaught, I'm trying to get you lynched. I need T-Bone's vote to do that.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
Yourlogic is pretty bad. The gamestate at the time would have cost T-Bonenothingto throw out a vote as scum. As town, though, voting wrong would make him culpable for the loss instead of just being unfortunate.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
The gamestate at the time I switched from T-Bone to you had us on the same side. You've been buddying me all goddamn game, you attacked Kaboose in your #256 for attacking me, and you reached out to me for a T-Bone lynch as early as #23. The only way I would have seen you voting me at the start of this Day is if T-Bone voted first and you were scum. Here's where Occam's Razor applies: You're attackingmebecause you thought you had me in your back pocket and now you're pissed that your surefire win has gone away.
In post 424, Belisarius wrote:
Doesn't really matter much to me where your vote is, now. You still need town to vote with you regardless of whether you're voting me or T-Bone.
That's a tautology. No wagon can go to lynch without town on it at any phase of Mafia, or the game would be over. Words, words, words.
In post 441, Belisarius wrote:
Announcing how sure I was, at that time, that T-Bone was the last scum -- based primarily on RC's maneuvering to make T-Bone untouchable unless we wanted to risk scum winning via TTT.
In post 441, Belisarius wrote:
Lynch mathdino and even if vett wasn't NK'd, we'd have lynched him for the TTT win. As of D2 T-Bone was untouchable because it wouldn't have set up the board for a TTT win, but with a T on Mathdino's square, T-Bone would be a viable lynch again unless we were blocking.
In post 441, Belisarius wrote:
I don't understand how you're not getting this. For what reason would you say an Equinox lynch wasnotviable? Because Mathdino volunteered? We could have overruled him.
In post 441, Belisarius wrote:
Fluffy my ass. It's proven that that kind of brainwashing works. Town doesn't want to brainwash anyone in lylo. Scum does.
In post 443, Belisarius wrote:In post 442, Scripten wrote:Nobody was going to vote Equinox that day.
Yeah, look, buddy, I've already shown you that making assertions instead of showing reasons isn't going to cut it with me. The fact that you keep doing it just seals the deal. I'm ready to take the risk.
VOTE: Scripten