Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[BlueBloodedToffee]

vote: pine

UNVOTE: Grib
VOTE: Pine
Let's hope we're right on this.

These votes might have something to do with it.

Just saying.

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Beck's voting and unvoting of Pine looks like he can't decide whether to bus or not.

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Grib is probably town though.

One of you and Math are scum.

Easy, right?

I have already stated reasons for why I stated intent to hammer.

PEdit - Nah, you voted Pine when it was probably pretty safe to bus. Now that Pine's lynch looks likely, you seem undecided.

Why did you vote for Pine if you don't think he is scum?

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No it doesn't. It's exactly what I would have done given Pine's last post and the time on the clock.

I don't follow.

What does Pine's last post have to do with Beck's voting and unvoting?

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Bbt if you are town you done fucked up

Haha, you know I'm town.

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I only looked it up after my post.

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Why are you talking about my reads being PoE?

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Grib is probably town though.

One of you and Math are scum.

This is PoE, BBT.
I seriously don't get why you continue to tunnel Beck when the game makes 0 sense with him flipping scum.

This is based on what? Your opinion? Or do you have solid facts/evidence for why this simply cannot be impossible?

What you're saying is, because

you

find it unlikely that Beck is scum, that

I

should also find it unlikely, because

you

don't think Beck can be scum with anyone else?

Yeah, am not buying what you're selling. I think Beck is scum, I would like him lynched.

I still don't get how that's PoE either. It's not like everybody else is town and you and Beck are scum. One of you is scum, I can't work out which one it is.

Once I know, it makes finding the second scum much easier.

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I believe they already stated that he's not a neighbouriser.

Regardless, if you'll check back to the end of D1, I recall saying Scripten was probably town seeing what he was doing with me as a reaction test. He was in my townlist before Beck 'confirmed' him. It's just easier to say he's town due to his role than because ~reasons~.

What other flimsy reasons?

Let's entertain the crazy possibility that Beck could be scum.

He 'finds out' that Scripten is town somehow. Scripten is practically conf town to everyone. In turn, Beck seems to be universally town-read, and I feel that it has a lot to do with what has happened between Scripten and himself.

Now, Beck has this town-cred, Beck or his buddy kills Scripten. Scripten flips town!, Beck gains more town-cred for confirming Scripten as town and proceeds to breeze through the game.

How does that sound?

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Beck and Grib voted together on multiple occasions, in some cases within a few posts of each other (240, 246).

FinnLaw changed his mind very fluidly and naturally when it came to Beck. fferyllt's posting on Beck doesn't ping, and she even pointed out a potential scumslip from him. This would be dumb if they were partners.

You already pointed out how you don't think Beck and I are partners.

Beck and Pine's interaction at 77 doesn't look like scum and scum. If you look at Pine's ISO, his peacekeeping when it came to Beck was very much not a scum/scum interaction. I admit this is more gut than not. However, the possibility of Beck/Pine still fits with my "one of Grib and Pine is scum".
Regardless of course, I've got a townread on Beck ALONG WITH all this.

Edit: My townread on Beck since my rereading of the game has very little to do with the Scripten issue.
Edit2: Okay, point them out.

- You're assuming scum never vote one after another
- You're also assuming scum don't point out their partners scum-slips. Here's the thing, it's very, very difficult to get people to believe a genuine scum-slip has occured (from personal experience), they usually brush it off as 'Scum-slips very rarely actually happen' or something along those lines. Therefore, it would have been safe for Ffery to point this out I feel.
-Yeah, it's not like Pine would try to stop his partner from getting lynched, right?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

He 'finds out' that Scripten is town somehow.

Check your facts cause this never happened. I still don't know scripten is town.

OK, if we're going to be pedantic. You said you were pretty sure Scripten was town, like 75% or something like that.

Btw, why would a townie be mad about this if it was true? As a townie if I could somehow scratch 2 possible names off my list of suspects I'd be ecstatic.

Seems to me you are butt hurt scum that has lost 2 townies from your mislynch pool to me...

I just told you why I'm suspicious of it. I can't simply scratch 2 names off my lynch list because you can quite easily still be scum.

Well I thought it was a lovely story... You tell it SO WELL, with such enthusiasm.

But riddle me this batman. How would I as scum conspire this plan if scripten is town and I was scum who has no idea what role scripten had to begin with?

Also scripten can tell you what happened in the qt, what I said when he asked me to confirm him as town day 2.

The ONLY way this plan works is if we are scum together and then that doesnt even work as a good idea.

Well, you see, it's very simple.

You simply decided to do it at the start of D2. It's not a plan that you 'hatched', it's an opportunity that has presented itself to you.

Wow, I didn't think of that at all.

I might be persuaded to switch to a BBT lynch today actually. His Beck tunneling doesn't make any sense, along with the fact that he suddenly backed off of Grib once everyone wanted to vote him.

Yeah, it doesn't take much to persuade you, does it?

Seems as you're so convinced Beck can't be scum, you can have my vote.

VOTE: Math

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1. Ask scripten what my reaction was last night. Also look at me day 2, I had to research first and the. I still wasn't convinced completely. If I was scum, I would immediately started buddying him.

2. That makes literally no sense if you are Town, so you are scum

3. You fail so bad, that literally makes no sense

4. Why math and not me? Or pine (you know, the guy who you wanted to hammer? ) Or scripten or fferly? All seem convinced I'm not scum

Yeah, it's hard looking from the outside in. But, maybe you couldn't come out and simply claim Scripten is 100% town because Scripten knows that you cannot know for sure he is town? If that makes sense. Like, you can have a good idea that he is town, but you can't know for certain. Therefore, it would be stupid for you to come out and claim that to be the case.

Just insults for 2 and 3? I'll move on.

Well, I chose Math because, you know, I think he is scum. That's how this game works right? You vote for who you think is scum in the hope that people listen and lynch that person?

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So you dont think pine is scum? Why did you give intent to hammer on him if you didn't think he was scum?

Why do you repeat questions I have answered?

I quite clearly stated my reasons for the intent to hammer.

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Do me a favor, ask scripten what he asked me to do and what my response was.

Thanks

Did it go something like this?

Scripten: Hey Beck, you can confirm I am town now.

Beck: No I can't, how do I know you're 100% town?

Scripten: You don't. You just have to trust me.

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So its not odd he wanted to hammer you but now he has no interest in lynching you?

I'd still lynch Pine if people don't want to lynch you or Math.

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So we're gonna lynch BBT now, right? Or is this game just going to keep stalling over and over again?

I'm hoping the game will stall again and we can direct a lynch onto scum. That would be nice.

BBT, make a quick post when you're online, I want to ask you some questions in real time.

I'm here for another hour or so.

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Yeah, 20 mins or so

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I think that was a reaction test from Math.

That makes me sad because it makes me think Math has to be town.

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UNVOTE:

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I claim VT

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I don't explain town-reads.

Beck is scum.

Pine is probably buddy.

Scripten, Grib and yourself are town.

Ffery is probably town as well.

Beck/Pine scum by PoE really.

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I'm Gallimimus.

I'm one of the fastest dinosaur creatures. I'm faster than a raptor. I'm an omnivore and I am not constrained by the new rules initiated by other dinosaurs. I simply eat anything and live alongside them.

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So, I'm not scum. If you aren't actually scum here, who is the real scum team.

The fact you haven't even attempted to explain your scum read on me and have used really weak reasons that aren't even scum tells, confirms to me you aren't town.

I have more than explained why I think you're scum.

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BBT's flipflopping on me and shoehorning Pine into a scumread is beginning to give me doubts about this. His last word reads are just PoE? I'd have expected him to stay consistent I guess.

Why would he suddenly townread me just for the reaction test if he were scum?

Scum don't pull reaction tests the way you just tried to.

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Any thoughts on the current game state Ffery?

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What are your current reads?

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I'd much rather lynch you Beck.

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They don't?

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What's the last time I voted you got to do with anything?

I was voting you up until I recently voted Math.

Intent to hammer has been explained.

Still willing to lynch Pine if you're not toDay's lynch.

Anything further? Or would you prefer we keep repeating this circular discussion which is going nowhere?

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Scripten, why did you choose Beck as the person to confirm you as town?

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You got no impression from the talk you had with him that he was scum?

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I don't understand why nobody is willing to entertain the idea of Beck being scum.

Tbh, it's becoming a little frustrating now.

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Reads Pine?

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It disintegrated because it was too easy a wagon. Grib might be scum, but BBT's behavior regarding that wagon was weird and doesn't rely on associative reads to be scummy.

What was weird about my behaviour?

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Didn't feel like a natural progression. If you ISO me, I think I've explained it. Would do it myself but I have to leave shortly.

OK, the only thing I see is that you didn't like the way I stopped pursuing Grib after he had conceded a point to me.

Is that still your only reason?

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Want more discussion, we have 4 days, I'm not sure everything that can be said has been said.

If there is more to be said, why does the game keep stalling?

That being said, Grib is not toDay's lynch.

Math, your whole reasoning for Grib being scum is basically PoE, right? I don't think that's a great way to find scum, do you have any specific reasoning for Grib being scum that actually relates to what he's done this game?

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VOTE: Pine

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Pine's wagon is easy because he has a whole 2 votes?

How about the fact that nearly everyone is willing to lynch Grib?

How is Pine's wagon easier than Grib's?

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It has to do with the price of fish.

Why do you ask silly questions?

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Haha, you think I'm voting him because he doesn't have enough votes?

Is that what I'm actually reading?

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I was responding to Scripten asking why he thinks Pine's wagon/lynch is so easy when, IMO, Grib is the easiest wagon/lynch to jump onto/push right now.

My vote has absolutely nothing to do with Pine not having a lot of votes.

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PoE mostly.

I'm pretty sure you and Grib are town. Same for Math, but not as strong as you two.

Ffery is also probably town. This one I'm not that sure on but am certainly not thinking of lynching her any time soon.

This leaves Beck and Pine. Usually in this situation, I have one scum right and one scum wrong, there is always one person who fools me.

If I'm wrong on either Beck or Pine, then Ffery is probably the one who has me fooled.

That's where I'm at right now.

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Well why else would you bring it up? You certainly haven't done a good job explaining any of your votes so sorry if I have trouble figuring out this one. You just keep dodging...

I didn't bring it up. Scripten did.

So, with this new information at hand. How do you plan to proceed?

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PoE mostly

.

Oh so when you told me before you provided reasons that was just a lie right? Got it...

Hope that helps you out.

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BBT I have no fucking idea why you're townreading me.

It's only a light town-read. Don't flatter yourself, it's by no means solid.

Poe aren't reasons, try agin

I have stated reasons for why you're scum. Please read.

Plus what happened to your theory that scripten/me is a scum team? Now you are town reading him?

Plus I'm pretty sure you were scum reading grib at some point, why did that change? What did he do to make you think he's town?

I realized you and Scripten don't really make sense. It was something I was contemplating, it's not like I actively pursued it.

I was scum-reading Grib, I'm glad you're at least reading some parts of the game. Now, I encourage you to go and read where and why my read on Grib changed.

Fferyllt:

Would you be interested in my BBT wagon? Today is just getting monotonous. If we end up with a deadline lynch again I'm probably gonna lose my mind. He doesn't have any reads that aren't associative or PoE, and that bugs me. It looks like it bugs you. Come on and join us.

This is really starting to grate on me. I have explained why I think Beck is scum, like, numerous times.

Also.you never explained.why you left grib's vote out as a reason why pine was at l-1. Why would you purposely lie to pine if you are indees town? My vote was #1 remember?

Because I didn't like the votes from you and Math. It's that simple.

Or, he's not scum.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

In my scum game where I was on his team, (It's on my wiki page, if you're curious.) he used a similar tactic to push a wagon on me right out of RVS. (Pretty much the same part of the day that he pushed Grib.) Obviously, the tactic was slightly different here, but not enough that I'm willing to discount BBT being scum for it.

Shame on you for trying to use meta to read me.

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No you actually haven't. I've called you out on it a bunch of times yet you keep pretending like you have.

All you have on me is some really stupid theory that doesn't even make sense, my pushing scripten day 1, me using self meta, and poe.

None of these are reasons to scum read anyone. Let alone push so hard to lynch them.

Yeah, I actually have.

The only thing I haven't done is put it all together in one post. I've given up doing this, nobody reads them/cares unless they already agree with your scum-read prior to the case. It's just a huge waste of time and effort.

I don't ever remember seeing you explain it. Maybe I should use your own logic back on you. You are now town reading him cause you don't want to buss your partner. Am I right?

You should probably go read then.

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Intent to hammer hasn't been stated.

I see no need for a claim.

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Hey Grib,

If you're town, how about you actually fight your lynch?

I mean, instead of just giving up, how about we try and lynch scum toDay? That would be just great, would it not?

Thanks.

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I'm the PR. I Tracked BBT to dead!Beck

BBT + ffery. Calling it

Lol.

You didn't track me going anywhere. Tracker and watcher in the same game is laughable. I'm a little concerned that Ffery hasn't voted for Pine yet, do you really think both of those roles are plausible in this game?

VOTE: Pine

I'm also seriously contemplating whether Scripten is town. I'm not sure how he thought neighbourizing somebody would make him confirmed town to anybody.

I also know that neighbourizers are usually scum when 3 or more people are involved in the neighbourhood but I don't know how they work in Micros.

Will have to re-read the game to see interactions between Scripten and Pine.

I know Pine is lying, which pretty much means Ffery is confirmed town for me. Math is town because of his reaction test yesterDay as well.

That leaves scum being Scripten/Pine by PoE.

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If Scripten is scum (a goddamn scum neighborizer, highly powerful), and if Pine is scum, we have ONE PR and that's a watcher. Scripten/Pine is impossible because that'd make the setup absolute shit.

I don't think a neighbourizer is 'highly powerful'. In fact, from the games I have played and games I have read, a neighbourizer/neighbourhood usually causes a lot of paranoia.

A game I finished not long ago caused town serious trouble because of an all-town neighbourhood and nobody believing it. Town literally tore themselves apart. If Mod thought that a neighbourizer would create that same kind of dynamic in this game, then the game appears more balanced, no?

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PE: Neighborizer is a weak role specifically because it doesn't do what you just said.

Actually, the majority of the time, it does exactly what I said it does.

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The Mod put a neighbourizer into the game. Neighbourizers usually cause paranoia, especially within a neighbourhood.

It makes no difference whether mod created or player created.

I'm waiting to see why Scripten thought it would confirm him as town to neighbourize someone as well.

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Now if Scripten is scum, you're right, neighborizers cause paranoia. And this is balanced out by... a lone watcher?

Wait, I feel like you

know

Scripten is town! from this sentence.

Neighbourizers only cause paranoia if they're scum you say. How do you know Scripten isn't scum?

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You have a lot of experience modding balanced games?

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Edit: I know that Neighborizer is super goddamn powerful in the hands of a good player and I know that 1 town PR against a Neighborizer who everyone will assume is town anyway is shit.

Sigh. Neighbourizer is not a powerful role.

This is exactly my point. You're taking everyone thinking Scripten is confirmed town based on his role for granted. For example, if one or two people questioned why Scripten thought he was confirmed town based on being a neighbourizer (which is not a confirmable town-role) it's very easy to see how confusion and paranoia could have ensued from that.

Why would everyone assume Scripten is town based on being a neighbourizer? That doesn't make sense.

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Hey guys,

Really sorry about being V/LA at a time like this. After about 3pm tomorrow (UK Time) I'll be back to playing at my regular activity levels.

Got an assignment due in Uni tomorrow, still have 2,400 words to write. I'm all over the place right now.

If anyone has anything super urgent for me to respond to (haven't read up fully) just bold it for me in the next few posts and I'll get to it as soon as I can.

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BBT YOU NIMROD

If Scripten were scum he'd have hammered you!
In what universe is BBT's suspicion legitimate?!

You're right. I completely overlooked that. Didn't even realize I was at L-1.

I'm assuming we lynch BBT because it's over if we don't

We're only looking for one scum are we? Have you not been paying attention or did you just slip?

1. I already explained how the Beck kill makes BBT scum since scum should reasonably expect Beck to destroy the town with his first vote if BBT were town.

This is literally the worst reasoning ever. The worst.

fferyllt I kind of want you to vote Pine just to further prove that Scripten is town.

This feels contrived. I don't like this post at all. Why would Scripten completing the exact same act somehow make him more town? We get it, you KNOW Scripten is town!

Then vote Pine. I have no motivation to hammer or vote anyone other than BBT today. If Scripten votes Pine, that's gonna be the lynch anyway.

I'm not surprised. Myself or Pine have to be lynched today, and you don't want to bus your buddy in LyLo, amiright?

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yeah and if Pine is town you hammer the fuck out of him.

Pine is scum. You must know this given your role.

fferyllt's hesitance makes me uneasy, like she doesn't want to be seen as in league with BBT just yet.

That's right. Just keep lining up anyone to lynch...

Of course, if Pine is scum and BBT is not, we will have already lost the game. Even better, the only scumteam possible with that configuration would be Pine/Mathdino.

Ding, ding, ding!

I really do want to keep this between me and BBT if only because we can implement the tracker test overnight to decide between Pine and fferyllt.

Oh, no, I was wrong. You're back to just wanting to have me lynched. Does this have anything to do with the fact that it HAS to be between myself and Pine toDay?

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Notice how this is the second time today you've shot activity requests at me, and both times I've responded within half an hour

Can anyone say Beetlejuice?

I'm trying to nail scum instead of letting you antagonizing me into voting, so the strong language is unnecessary. Your methods are definitely making me want to vote you, but I'm holding back because you might just be trying to strongarm me because that's your town play. Tempted to meta you. We have time before deadline and I don't feel like losing.

How did that meta read go?

I'm not a tracker, but the plan works with watching

Whoops. Did you forget you fake claimed? Amateur mistake.

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I'm not a tracker, but the plan works with watching

???

This can't be all you say on Pine's slip...I just know it. I know you're gonna follow up on this...

That offers quite the predicament. fferyllt could then watch me, but the issue is that we'd have to decide an action claiming order for tomorrow. The 2nd person could easily just agree with the 1st person.

You're continuing this scummy behaviour and I'm surprised nobody has picked up on it.

You're desperately trying to direct the town in every way you can. You know this game is over once I'm lynched, and you're attempt to gain town-cred through all this talk of 'hypothetical situations' is nothing short of laughable.

PEdit - Yeah, I know right? What am I thinking not quoting and replying to every single post made while I was gone.

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So, I'm caught up.

Pine is still lying and is still scum.

Math is trying his best to manipulate town as well. He is also scum.

Case closed.

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Oh yeah.

Back from V/LA!

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Commenting on me "slipping" and not mentioning these is absolutely selective quoting. It's scummier than a food disposal after Thanksgiving dinner

You flat out said 'I'm not tracker'. That's not a 'typo' as Math seems to be implying, that is a full-on slip. I don't care much for the bullshit excuses you will have come up with to try and explain it away.

1. And this is the part where you're forced to stir up a case on me out of lack of choice.
2. At the time I assumed not lynching you means a me-lynch because I wanted to 1v1 you. If I get lynched, it's over.
3. Reasonable expectation, see the quote wall.
4. Read my posts. Scripten was either town, or scum with you. Had fferyllt voted Pine and Scripten not hammered, it'd make him definitively, 100% town. Now he's only like 99% town.
5. I don't want to vote for someone with a 50% objective chance of being scum.

1. Or this is the part where I actually realized what has been happening in the game and come to the conclusion that Scripten has to be town otherwise I would have been hammered and Ffery has to be town because Tracker/Watcher is just not happening in this game and given that Pine flat out lied about 'tracking me' I KNOW he is scum.

By PoE, that leaves you as the other scum.

2. Why would you assume something that makes no sense when we already had two people cross-voting each other?

3. Moving on

4. Moving on

5. You don't want to bus your scum buddy. I got it.

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1. IKR. But the really rich thing is, fferyllt saying that actually gives her scumpoints. But nope, you just correct her world view based on her claim and move on.
2. You understand that I'm not going to advocate for a Pine/fferyllt lynch today, correct? The majority of my interactions with Pine and fferyllt have been to decide which of them to lynch tomorrow. I don't really give a shit on deciding between them today, although I want to hear Scripten's elaborate opinion before day ends because he's likely to die.
3. moving on
4. Yep. That's pretty much what it has to do with. You, me, and Pine (and fferyllt if she's your buddy) are the only ones 100% sure of your and my alignments. Pine is a wrench in the works because from my perspective, there's a 50% chance of hitting scum there. I want to keep it between us because I'm uncomfortable with a Pine or fferyllt lynch today.
I've wanted you lynched from the beginning of the day. Don't misrep my talking about Pine and fferyllt; all of that is mental notes for tomorrow.

1. Well, no, it doesn't because I know Pine is lying. Therefore, Ffery is town.
2.This is part of what I was talking about. You know this game is over after I'm lynched, the discussions you're trying to engage in are simply for town-cred. Which doesn't make sense, because, you know, why would you let scum know exactly what you're thinking and how you're planning on proceeding the following day?

1. Nope, that's all I say. Open 575 had me lynch someone and tunnel them for 2 days based on a scumslip that turned out to be a typo. If I decide to lynch Pine tomorrow, that's certainly not going to be my reason for doing it.
2. All you've done is shown how my actions are consistent with scum. That's great. Sure, it's not

impossible

that my actions today have been in line with scum (although you did think it was impossible yesterday given the reaction test, haha). However, you've not shown how it's impossible that trying to test Pine comes from town.

1. A typo. That's funny. Was he meant to write 'I am a tracker'?
2. All I need to do is show how your actions are consistent with scum. The reaction test had me thinking you were town, correct. And?

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I think it's fferyllt/BBT. I may flipflop about 5 more times before day ends.

Maybe 5 dozen.

BBT earlier today looked like bussing Pine, but that comment to fferyllt, basically a "Dude, be consistent with your story" reads like coaching.

Edit:
1. Yes, that's basically what I said. We're in agreement.
2. Because from your perspective, I must be scum, and fferyllt looked like she was gearing up to lynch me.
I'm honestly just surprised you didn't go after me at the start of the day. Expected you to switch to me after I pointed out Scripten's not scum.
5. Haven't shown why it's inconsistent with town. I understand why you and Pine are so headstrong today because both of you have 2 people you HAVE to push for.
On the other hand, you'll note that fferyllt doesn't want to lynch between me and you, I don't want to lynch between Pine and fferyllt, and Scripten's stalling the day.
This is because from us 3's town perspectives, we're not 100% sure on the gamestate.

You might flip-flop and contradict yourself in the very same post!

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Lol at BBT continuing to misrepresent my "slip". It would be way less scummy if he quoted it in full and said that he thought it was a good recovery from a mistake. Misquoting it repeatedly is from the scummy scum playbook

Nah, it wouldn't.

You still said 'I'm not tracker'

Speaking of the scummy scum playbook. One of the scummiest moves in said playbook is fake-claiming a PR with a 'confirmed' guilty in LyLo. What do you think about that?

Who is my buddy Pine?

The 2nd paragraph also reads like fake emotion. Both town and scum would be upset with a copped guilty on them. It's like BBT knew this'd happen.

LOL at you telling me how I should react to a 'guilty'. Seriously, because I didn't get upset that means I'm scum? I think you can do better than this Math. Try harder.

Furthermore, BBT's done almost nothing to push Pine except for the scumslip. That entire post is practically asking us to lynch fferyllt after BBT gets lynched.

I think if it's Pine/BBT, they're hedging everything on one of the 2 getting lynched today.

There is nothing more I can say. It's also not like I have had the time for this game lately. I KNOW Pine is scum, FFery must KNOW Pine is scum based on her role.

Scripten needs to decide what he wants to do.

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Fuck it. fferyllt's getting lynched tomorrow if BBT flips scum. As flip-floppy as I've been, self-prediction says I'm probably gonna decide on fferyllt.

VOTE: fferyllt

Let's see what happens.

Lol.

Scum.

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OK so, what are we waiting for here?

Why hasn't Pine been hammered?

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Pine/Math

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I have nothing more to add.

I knew Pine was lying at the start of the day.

Nothing more to add. I don't understand why Pine hasn't been lynched yet.

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Math you're really going out of your way to avoid voting Pine.

It's cute.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Nah, I like my vote where it is.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

bbt, between you.

What?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

But I know Pine is scum soooo....

PEdit - Ah, OK.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Are you not going to?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, I don't know what that means.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ah, OK.

Well you're a watcher. And Pine fake-claimed and then claimed he tracked me to a kill.

I mean, I don't know why you're considering that a possibility.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

So Ffery, during this little meta-dive, what did you learn?

If anything.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I've played with town-you and modded town-you. I wanted to do a little research to see some of the tendencies of your scum game so I could compare that to this game. Working on that now.

I look forward to it

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Prodge.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What is going on? This game is killing my motivation to play Mafia.

Pine lied about tracking me. Ffery must know he is lying because of her role and the role Pine tried to claim. Scripten knows Pine is scum because of the way this day has played out.

Sooo....what am I missing? Can we finish this Day now?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

- Mathdino putting me (and Pine?) at risk of being quickhammered in his efforts to gamesolve via lylo vca. 2118 reads really strange to me, because here he makes a big deal out of being shocked that I didn't quickhammer, when it was his own, calculated vote that gave me the opportunity to do so. Also the way he jumped on Pine for potentially signalling a quickhammer opportunity in post 2059. I pointed this up, too. But as Pine has pointed out, that's an incredibly hamhanded way to go about signalling hammer availability to a partner. The game should have been over after the vote on me. It wasn't. The game should have been over after the vote on Pine if he's town. It wasn't.

- BBT basically lying down and doing very little to fight the lynch after the tracker guilty claim.

I think a lot of Math's actions toDay make a lot more sense if you look at it from a Pine/Math scum-team perspective. It's safe for Math to vote whoever he likes because he knows there isn't going to be an immediate hammer from two townies.

I mean, sure, I could have screamed and shouted about how Pine is lying for 20+ pages if you wanted me to. I'm not sure how that would convince anyone though, it's basically my word against his. Me shouting over and over again that he is lying doesn't prove anything to anyone else.

I also didn't expect people to even question whether Pine was scum after your claim. I assumed this Day would be over pretty quickly.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I can understand where you're coming from if that's how you would approach this situation.

I might have done a little more if I knew the game Day was going to last this long. As the Day has gone on, apathy has taken over. Like, I genuinely don't know why this Day has gone on for so long and it's just killed my motivation to play.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If you are town and you're mislynched this is it.

This also, in my mind, wasn't an option with how the start of the day panned out. I've never expected to be lynched toDay.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ffery, Pine cannot be town.

I don't know what you're doing.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Ffery, wtf are you doing?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

What? I've been lynched?

You're fucking joking me?

I thought only you were voting me?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Wow, wtf Ffery?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty sure her vote counts and if it does town have lost.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I'm pretty sure it will count.

I can't believe you voted me over confirmed scum Ffery. I thought you were pulling some kind of weird ploy.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I have to apologise to Pine for my play. I just couldn't get into this game and I don't know why.

I got real apathetic when Scripten pointed out how casual I was about Pine 'fake-claiming' on me. He knew, and I knew, town me would have tunneled Pine into the ground and I think I just decided to give up after that.

Really good game and I thought town played really well.

Thanks for modding Arc!