Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

[Pine]

Actually, the flavor I was toying with for the Compy Gov when considering it was that Compy is an omnivorous scavenger, able to survive off of almost anything. It has less stake in the agreement, so it could act as arbiter

*shrug* You could really plausibly justify almost anything with enough effort

[Pine]

Hunh. I thought they were omnivores, but I guess they're not. Just looked it up

[Pine]

A little less than five days

[Pine]

Fidget

[Pine]

With the risk on a NL, we can save the Scripten-or-Pine discussion until tomorrow. BBT is today's lynch, I have a guilty

Ffery, pull your head out of your ass. If Math were scum he'd have hammered me

[Pine]

Unvote
Vote BBT

[Pine]

Um, no. I have a guilty on BBT, and Scripten's not happening. You have some infuriating confirmation bias

[Pine]

Except we aren't, so it doesn't

[Pine]

Except that it's the truth

Kind of tipping your hand there

[Pine]

I'm here

Prioritized with limited time elsewhere for (ongoing games) reasons

Okay, here's the thing

I am not a tracker

I was so convinced that BBT was scum that I gambited everything I had to take him out. It's not an optimal play, but it a) worked, b) was correct, and c) made sense in my stupid head at the time. This is why I was so resistant to testing the claim - I can't actually substantiate it. My reaction to ffery's claim was exaggerated based on her being my second top remaining suspect and being forced into playing that part. I had every intention of coming clean once BBT was dead

Now, on to business

Scripten and I are the only remaining possible scum. From my perspective, it is obviously him. I don't really have much of a case against him because he's played a cool game, but it's straight fact. I'll go back through the days and look for evidence, but he's picked his battles really carefully

[Pine]

Have you ever faked a guilty as town before?

Maybe? I know I've fakeclaimer stuff as Town, but I'm usually too concerned with running afoul of Town vs Town counterclaims to do it. My scumgame's way better than my Towngame, so I'm rarely as confident of a read as I was this game. It's not something I usually do, but it's not something I have any hesitancy to do in the right circumstance

Wait a sec

you're telling me

you rolled VT-Rex

with a flavour full of how it's a scavenger

and MADE UP a tracker claim about it.

all by yourself.

Actually? Yes. I really have met Jack Horner twice. I improvise well

[Pine]

Aww hell, there's just no way I'm going to convince you, is there? Gambit was a mistake

GG Scripten

[Pine]

See, that's clever. You've consistently promoted the notion that Neighborizer is an informal sort of Masonizer. It isn't; it's a way to select who you want to make feel important, then manipulate them. "Oh, you want to talk to me more? Sure I'll listen"

[Pine]

I'll get there, relax. There's no deadline.

Mathdino, you need to chill. I have no intention to self-hammer, because even though you're being an intractable ass, I still have hopes that we can win this

[Pine]

Honestly, I think the Beck kill only makes sense coming from Scripten. Scripten would know that he'd never get anyone other than his buddy lynched Day 3 with Beck around pushing, and I can see him deciding that he'd outlived his usefulness. It kind of all makes sense in that context

[Pine]

Arright

So the case against me consists primarily that I bussed BBT so hard that I made a fake bad scum gambit, in LYLO, while getting rid of the one person who could really make that gambit go off without a hitch, and then ADMITTED to that gambit, all while actually scumhunting and posting.

You, on the other hand, have been manipulating the Neighborhood, using it to advance fake Masonry, got rid of the one person most likely to push for your partner's lynch, and have been lurking and posting selectively since the end of D2

Scripten is the scum in this pair

[Pine]

The only thing Pine has going for him is the question

Why is Scripten still alive?

Because he's scum, dammit

[Pine]

Scripten, your question doesn't make any sense. I didn't lose faith in my BBT case or whatever you're implying, I was so sure I doubled down

[Pine]

I really, really did write it myself. Angel actually complimented me on it. I did research to reinforce it

[Pine]

If I were going to fakeclaim, I'd at least say something like Apatosaurus, not fucking T Rex

[Pine]

Sigh

Whatever, man

I attended a lecture by paleontologist Jack Horner when I was nine, and he talked a lot about how T Rex was a scavenger. I thought it was cool, and couldn't resist shoehorning it into this game when the opportunity arose. I also feel a little offended that you feel I'm incapable of making something like that up

PE Shut up Scripten. I just said I didn't fake my Dino name. I'd have gone with something innocuous instead of a predator. What, do you stomp your victims or something?

[Pine]

Or whatever. Picked a name at random. My point was that I chose a fake investigative role that worked with my actual flavor, not the other way around

[Pine]

Actually, that's an excellent point.

HOW WOULD AA9 COMPLEMENT PINE ON A FAKECLAIM?

There's no reason to message the mod when he was

making up a fakeclaim

without writing up a fake role PM.

Nay.

Pine is actually a T. Rex.

He wrote himself a fakeclaim in the scum thread. A good one, I might add.

AA9 complemented him on his dinosaur research.

We got this.

Actually, I've been messaging back and forth with the mod all game as I gambit, explaining why I do stuff. I do this pretty regularly. AA9 complimented me on the thoroughness of my research

[Pine]

Oh, well shit. That's game.

Nah I was scum. I screwed up pretty hard several times. This is probably the worst scum game I've ever played, and Town did a good job.

I really did just invent everything about Tracker and scavenger. Apatosaurus was my VT fakeclaim

[Pine]

Math, your case was mostly bullshit, in that it completely disregarded the entirely legitimate possibility that Scripten was scum. There was zero reason to not consider it

[Pine]

I can't wait to read Beck's dead thread ranting. AA9 said it was epic

[Pine]

...Math you weren't scum. Wtf is this

[Pine]

I am pretty sure I know what the plan was but for me to explain it, I would probably hurt some people's feelings.

I really want Beck to explain his thoughts.

You won't hurt feelings

I'll post the ACTUAL plan after he does so, along with the Mafia QT

[Pine]

Not an egofest. Beck's self-importance needs to be either supported or deflated. If he's such a hotshot, let him prove it

[Pine]

Nut up or shut up, Beck. Take your shot

[Pine]

I will, and I'll explain motives, too. But hen you say this...

I am pretty sure I know what the plan was but for me to explain it, I would probably hurt some people's feelings.

...and don't have the balls to back it up, I've gotta call it out

[Pine]

Meh. Just read the dead thread and Beck wasn't as ranty as AA9's PM led me to believe.

Here's the scum thread: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=90&t=59581

Responding to some specific stuff:

-The plan Day 3 was to make myself as scummy as possible. On purpose. The idea was that I'd get lynched, and my flip would look like a scum attempt to mislynch BBT, the easiest target. That hopefully would have carried him to a simple win on D4. Unfortunately, people liked the notion of lynching BBT too much, and I started gaining traction. That's when I started being scummy on purpose. I later realized that the initial plan wasn't going to work, so I threw up several Hail Mary plays trying to get other people lynched. Without Mathdino's gambits confirming him and ffery, I believe it would have worked. Math's play was actually REALLY scummy, and I could have made a beautiful case on him...except he was confTown. A Scripten case was my only choice. Faced with deadline, I could not plausibly fail to contribute to BBT's lynch after my earlier claim
-I back pedaled on my claim because I couldn't support it. I was vainly hoping that coming clean instead of continuing the fake would look Town, but Math was too laser-focused
-"I am not a tracker" was a genuine, honest-to-God scumslip. I mixed up which claim I'd gone with. I was initially going to go with Watcher, but realized at the last minute that it was too easy to disprove. I'm super proud that I managed to successfully recover from it
-Framing Mathdino as my buddy was not part of the plan...until he accused me of it. Then it was
-Not voting Scripten on D4 was calculated. I was working really hard on trying to convince ffery that I wasn't scum, I didn't want to distract from it
-I didn't give up on D4. The no kill was calculated. If I'd killed Mathdino, I was concerned that my only lifeline (ffery) might catch me in the act and end it without any room for negotiation. With a 4-person MYLO, everyone had to be unanimous, and I had a toehold to forestall it
-I really did make up every aspect of the Tracker fakeclaim. AA9 supplied none of it

Anything I missed?

[Pine]

We killed people who were on the right track

Also, practically everyone had it spoiled for them, and they weren't very circumspect about hiding that spoiling

[Pine]

And yeah, holy shit the gambits

This was a shitty scumgame for me (I usually do really well, recent examples notwithstanding) but very fun. I liked the elements of paranoia and doubt in D3

[Pine]

Oh, one other point - the Insanity kill was billed as a universal Townread, but it was more his ability to be a wildcard. I tend to remove quiet, unpredictable Townies when there's no obvious target

[Pine]

I do feign offense, but this time it was mostly genuine. I was a little miffed at the repeatedly-pushed notion that I could not possibly have invented that flavor on my own. I really did, and I didn't even have to do research to do it. On the first day of kindergarten, I told my teacher I wanted to be a paleontologist when I grew up. Allegedly, my teacher called home to ask why a five-year-old was using polysyllabic words in correct context

[Pine]

Flattered at all the praise, but it was only an uphill battle because I'd already screwed up repeatedly

Well, not 'only,' that doesn't give proper credit to Town's good scumhunting/Townhunting

PE: ArcAngel, I'll take a pre/in for that

[Pine]

I still felt I had a chance to convince ffery and force a standoff, and eventually convince you

I don't give up

N2 was extended because AA9 missed a PM from Scripten adding ffery to the Neighborhood

[Pine]

No but I mean

You said in the scum PT you wanted to get lynched D3 (not talking D4).

You were correct in that you getting lynched would be a much easier win than BBT getting lynched, since I'm an easier lynch than fferyllt.

If I'd self-hammered while in a position to weasel out of it, there would have obviously have been something up

Besides, I had no way to communicate to BBT that he should no-kill to avoid Watcher detection

I wonder how things would have worked out if I hadn't claimed watcher to Scripten on Night 2.

I'm glad you did! If you hadn't, I probably would have town-read Pine a lot harder.

Pine, did you come up with the role part of your fakeclaim as well as flavor? If you had claimed something like a cop, I might have been less suspicious of your claim.

Eh, I'd be too concerned about running into a real cop. It's a moot point. Cop + Watcher would have screwed me even more than Tracker + Watcher

Probably should have rolled the dice on a Scripten-tracking result

I have to apologise to Pine for my play. I just couldn't get into this game and I don't know why.

I got real apathetic when Scripten pointed out how casual I was about Pine 'fake-claiming' on me. He knew, and I knew, town me would have tunneled Pine into the ground and I think I just decided to give up after that.

Really good game and I thought town played really well.

Thanks for modding Arc!

Eh, it's okay. The plan was for you to push back and get me lynched, but it worked out the way it did. A straightforward win based on that tactic would have been less fun than what we got

[Pine]

^Understatement