Micro 407: Jurassic Park Mafia - Game Over

Pine · Post Post #42 (isolation #0) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:35 am

Confirm. Will catch up in an hour or so when not phoneposting

Pine · Post Post #43 (isolation #1) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:04 am

Got free time faster than expected

No real reads as yet, but I may pass out from all of the stupid fumes being given off from is thread. Even if the mod didn't outright state that it's not carnivores vs herbivores etc, someone outright herpderping that they're a carnivore would've made that obvious. Scum would have to be absolute blithering morons to advertise it otherwise

In fact...yeah. I take it back. Mild townread on Gribble for herpderping, moderate scum read on Blueblood for unreasonable pouncing

Vote: BluebloodedToffee

Pine · Post Post #45 (isolation #2) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 6:36 am

Yeah, right?

Pine · Post Post #47 (isolation #3) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:02 am

In post 43, Pine wrote:Gribble

Damn you autocorrect

In post 46, Grib wrote:I don't think it's an absurd assumption. I'm town, got an Herbivore, and I hate non-Herbivores.

You're too excited by my mistake and painting it as 100% a scumslip. Which it isn't.

Yeah, I agree. That's why I voted Blueblood, for aggressively pouncing on it

Pine · Post Post #52 (isolation #4) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:15 am

In post 49, Grib wrote:Also 46 was at BBT, in case you thought I was talking to you it something.

Gotcha Gribble, my bad.

I don't think BBT's "call it like I see it" is reasonable, it looks like grabbing at low-hanging fruit

Pine · Post Post #64 (isolation #5) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:30 am

In post 53, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Low-hanging fruit...on page 3...

Not sure if serious...

Serious. You saw an opportunity to paint someone badly and took it

I stand by my vote

Pine · Post Post #78 (isolation #6) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 10:24 am

Where do you get the notion that scum are omnivores?

Pine · Post Post #136 (isolation #7) » Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:18 pm

In post 80, insanity018 wrote:

In post 43, Pine wrote:Got free time faster than expected

No real reads as yet, but I may pass out from all of the stupid fumes being given off from is thread. Even if the mod didn't outright state that it's not carnivores vs herbivores etc,
someone outright herpderping that they're a carnivore would've made that obvious.
Scum would have to be absolute blithering morons to advertise it otherwise

In fact...yeah. I take it back. Mild townread on Gribble for herpderping, moderate scum read on Blueblood for unreasonable pouncing

Vote: BluebloodedToffee

What are you talking about in the bolded?

This post feels mega defensive (possibly white knighting Grib?) to me.

VOTE: Pine

P-edit: To my understanding, scum are the dinosaurs which don't follow the park rules. They can be herbivores, carnivores or omnivores --> the type of dinosaur is not alignment indicative

Not really sure how it's possible to be defensive when I wasn't being attacked. What was meant by the bolder was that, even if we didn't know per Mod that -vote status wasn't alignment indicative, someone coming out and saying "I'm a carnivore" should be a clue to that effect. It would otherwise be playing against wincon and tantamount to saying "BTW I'm scum"

This thread is moving annoyingly fast. If people could keep all of the personal shit out of it, and make their posts on-topic and worth reading, it would be a lot easier to stay current.

Beck? We've had issues in the past. Talking to you as well as others on this. Please don't pick unnecessary fights and clog up the thread with nonsense

Grib? Stop engaging.

BBT barreling ahead on flavor alone makes me very, very content wi my vote. It's staying on him.

By the way, BBT, I didn't actually defend Grib, more or less at all. I called you out for scummy logic, which you're continuing with

Pine · Post Post #164 (isolation #8) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 5:38 am

In post 137, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:You soft-defended him. That's pretty clear.

Also, no comments about the buddying up that you're doing?

Nope

Cool OMGUS, bro

Beck, FFS. You really don't need to respond to every single post personally. Put the smartphone down for a couple hours, then come back and respond to stuff directed at you and stuff you find interesting. I swear, you're half the reason Rolling in the Deep went over 150 pages (the other half was me and Slandaar)

Pine · Post Post #166 (isolation #9) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:14 am

No, because is don't feel it has merit. It's you using a buzzword.

As for your OMGUS, I came out hard against you, and now you're throwing whatever you can at me to see what sticks. I calls it likes I sees it

Pine · Post Post #167 (isolation #10) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 6:14 am

Simply stating a mild early townread is not buddying.

Pine · Post Post #176 (isolation #11) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:07 am

Hahahahahahaha

Okay, so apparently "I agree with your point" and "Oh, I misunderstood your post and now I understand it" is buddying these days

BBT is an idiot in addition to scum

Beck, 175 is exactly what I'm talking about. Nothing in that conversation was directed at you, and your post was not needed. You could just as well have waited, and then said your piece. Stop cluttering my thread, it makes staying current very tedious and makes it harder for me to catch things you say that are actually important or insightful

Or is me mentioning the possibility that you might have something worthwhile to say buddying? I guess Town should just autolynch me, you, and Grib, and call it a GG. We're obviously all a scumteam now that I've made it so obvious

Pine · Post Post #178 (isolation #12) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 7:18 am

CAREFUL BECK YOURE BUDDYING ME

Pine · Post Post #186 (isolation #13) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 9:24 am

In post 180, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Hmm, I've been accused of buddying twice. Already.

I might have to stop talking to people...

In post 182, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:I like to get town-reads and work with those town-reads.

Helps me narrow down the pool I need to lynch from to find scum.

HYPOCRISY

Pine · Post Post #188 (isolation #14) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:10 am

Dude, don't engage. He seriously won't find anything wrong with what you just quoted. And never will. Every game I've played with him, he's had no idea how his words sound to other people

Pine · Post Post #196 (isolation #15) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 11:44 am

Let me get this straight...you're suspicious of him because of what he did in other games? Or because he's different from another game?

We're not all one-note tunes, Beck. I don't have a townread on Scripten (or a scumread, for that matter,) but I disapprove of your logic on general principle

PE: Inorite

Pine · Post Post #199 (isolation #16) » Wed Oct 22, 2014 3:07 pm

^Classy

Pine · Post Post #202 (isolation #17) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:48 am

Instead of asking empty questions that don't actually amount to work, how about you tell us about your thoughts

To avoid the hypocrisy that was almost this post, here are my generalized reads in alphabetic order (as I ISO):

Beck - Doing his usual bumbling. General rule: the more Beck is pissing me off, the likelier he is to be Town. Townish
BBT - I've already stated a case on him. Scummy
Finnlaw - few posts, mostly conciliatory. 96 and 190 are peacekeeping posts, which is usually Town, but can be scum trying to become Town leader. Thoroughly null
Grib - Townread previously explained, but it's a mild one. As much as I don't see a whole lot scummy from him, I don't see much distinctly Townish either. Could possibly be super bussing between him and BBT, but that seems too easy for this early
Insanity - 131 seems her only productive post so far. Everything else has been empty clarification questions and similar. Can't fault that TOO much, this is a fast-moving and annoying game to read
Mathdino - Has posted nothing of consequence since RVS vote
Scripten - Seems to be exercising logic, which is a point in his favor, but is provoking and engaging Beck. The only time I did that, I was non-Town and coasted on number of posts as evidence of doing something. Just barely on the Townish side of null ATM
Yungh0mo - Who? Has not posted of consequence

Pine · Post Post #204 (isolation #18) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:00 am

It is, but thank you for continuing to demonstrate what useless posts look like.

Asking someone for their reads without giving your own does not actually further the game along. Prodding is the job of the mod

So how about you answer your own question

Pine · Post Post #206 (isolation #19) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:19 am

So you gave short reads on three players. Keep going

Pine · Post Post #208 (isolation #20) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:23 am

In post 202, Pine wrote:Instead of asking empty questions that don't actually amount to work, how about you tell us about your thoughts

To avoid the hypocrisy that was almost this post, here are my generalized reads in alphabetic order (as I ISO):

Beck - Doing his usual bumbling. General rule: the more Beck is pissing me off, the likelier he is to be Town. Townish
BBT - I've already stated a case on him. Scummy
Finnlaw - few posts, mostly conciliatory. 96 and 190 are peacekeeping posts, which is usually Town, but can be scum trying to become Town leader. Thoroughly null
Grib - Townread previously explained, but it's a mild one. As much as I don't see a whole lot scummy from him, I don't see much distinctly Townish either. Could possibly be super bussing between him and BBT, but that seems too easy for this early
Insanity - 131 seems her only productive post so far. Everything else has been empty clarification questions and similar. Can't fault that TOO much, this is a fast-moving and annoying game to read
Mathdino - Has posted nothing of consequence since RVS vote
Scripten - Seems to be exercising logic, which is a point in his favor, but is provoking and engaging Beck. The only time I did that, I was non-Town and coasted on number of posts as evidence of doing something. Just barely on the Townish side of null ATM
Yungh0mo - Who? Has not posted of consequence

Comments on eight players. All nine if you count the implicit "Pine-Town lololol" that's missing from the above

Pine · Post Post #210 (isolation #21) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:25 am

That doesn't actually make sense. I actually used fewer words, and it was quite clear about who and why

Further, I've made a fairly comprehensive case against you, and quite a lot of other stuff. I pride myself on being a low-fluff player

Pine · Post Post #214 (isolation #22) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 6:42 am

False. Normally you piss me off by being exceptionally overproductive, tunnel visioned, and annoying

Pine · Post Post #250 (isolation #23) » Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:14 pm

In post 248, Scripten wrote:
In post 246, Beck wrote:
Claim and then somebody hammer please

Don't need to claim. I have verifiable proof that I'm town come Day 2, which will appear regardless of whether I die overnight or not. Only a very stupid town will lynch me today.

If I don't produce results tomorrow, lynch me then.

Will do

Do not get the Scripten wagon at all. His vote wasn't very well reasoned, but certainly didn't merit being put to L-1 for nothing.

Mathdino looks Townish for using deductive strategies to sort through this mess

Pine · Post Post #292 (isolation #24) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:35 am

In post 254, Grib wrote:I have him and BBT as unaligned pairs.

Why are you asking easy questions?

Whoa, hold up.

Unaligned pairs? Occam's razor would not jump to this, the simpler solution is Town vs Town, or at least the possibility of such. Jumping to "unaligned pairs" sounds like "informed minority" to me

Grib's lost all Towncred with me, and gone onto my watchlist. I could absolutely see the Grib/BBT squabble as an early super bussing tactic

In post 258, Scripten wrote:
In post 256, Beck wrote:
That's not how it works, obvious stalling tactic.

Yes, actually, that is how it works. Quit rolefishing.

What rolefishing? He wasn't rolefishing

In post 262, Scripten wrote:I'm more sure that Pine and insanity018 are town now. (Sorry for the vote, Pine. Wanted to gauge a few reactions.) Beck... is null because he's single-minded and tunnel-y as hell, but tunneling is pretty much a null tell, if not town. So right now I'm left with lurkers and Grib, who suddenly feels a little off to me.

Grib:
Why do you believe that BBT and myself are unaligned? Why would that affect your vote? Since you said my naked vote on Pine was small beans, walk me through the process of switching over to the wagon on me and then back to BBT, please?

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Grib

It was pretty poor reaction tests you were super obvious about it, even before everyone blew up your spot. The mere fact that you're setting traps and doing reaction tests, plus the speed and ease of that wagon on you makes me think you're Town

BECK

- You're tunneling unnecessarily. Chill

Pine · Post Post #293 (isolation #25) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:37 am

In post 269, Beck wrote:Proper play is a person refuses to claim = death by lynch.

No

Pine · Post Post #294 (isolation #26) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:38 am

Scripten vs Beck looks very Town vs Town to me

Still do not even remotely get the Scripten wagon

Pine · Post Post #296 (isolation #27) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 6:41 am

I did, and I didn't find your explanation convincing. A {not scumbuddies} opinion I get, an {unaligned pair} read on D1 suggests inside information

Pine · Post Post #298 (isolation #28) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:29 am

Nothing would have happened. I have a policy, as both Town and scum, of outright ignoring pressure votes and votes that have no reason attached

Alright, I have solid townreads on Scripten and Beck, a mild townread on Mathdino, mild scum read on Grib, moderate scum read on BBT. The rest of you need to post more of substance

Scripten, lynche BBT with me

Pine · Post Post #300 (isolation #29) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 7:50 am

Hmm. I'll skip the referenced games and get back to you

Pine · Post Post #302 (isolation #30) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:09 am

In post 300, Pine wrote:Hmm. I'll skip the referenced games and get back to you

*skim #notafreudianslip

Pine · Post Post #313 (isolation #31) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:26 pm

In post 311, Beck wrote:Oh ffs, town is.doomed

Go ahead and lynch me, town has no chance to win now

Dafuq?

You have one vote on you. Relax and detunnel

Pine · Post Post #324 (isolation #32) » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:50 pm

In post 314, Beck wrote:
Refusal to claim is a scum claim.

False.

Just not true. There exist reasons why Town would decline to full claim, and a lot of them are provable.

De

Tunnel

Pine · Post Post #354 (isolation #33) » Sun Oct 26, 2014 2:33 am

A little bit V/LA until Tuesday morning. Probably should have taken V/LA for the whole weekend, hence my absence

Pine · Post Post #496 (isolation #34) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:18 am

Scripten - still V/LA. I've been skimming along, but don't generally have time for comprehensive participation until tomorrow, when my limited access ends.

Town-Beck, Scripten, probably mathdino
Null-Insanity, Majiffy
Generally suspicious-Grib, FinnLaw (don't like the unproductive wallposts)
Probably scum-BBT

Pretty sure scum is coasting their way to a mislynch under the moronic Scripten vs Beck battle

I could happily settle for a Grib lynch, the BBT wagon is suspiciously quiet

Beck, your head is currently lodged very firmly in your ass. You've got one of the worst cases of tunneling and confirmation bias I've ever seen. You need to take a step back and question your assumptions. Scum would probably not work so incredibly hard at convincing you

Unvote
Vote: Grib

Let's do this. There's a lot for us to sift through during D2

Pine · Post Post #502 (isolation #35) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:21 am

Beck, you keep pushing the notion that refusing to fullclaim = lynch. It's not a hard and fast rule, especially when that's really the only solid thing the case is built around

Besides, if his role is provable, it's provable. If it's not, he fakeclaimed and can eat rope later

Pine · Post Post #534 (isolation #36) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:28 pm

Grib's eagerness to hammer is VERY scummy. He clearly wants to, but wants approval for it. Mathdino's response in 529 is pure Town. Town will hold off to let people get their say, not out of hesitation of "Am I doing his right"

Srsly, I'd love to policy lynch Beck as an absolute prat, but he's really, really Town

Grib is the correct lynch. When I have time, I'll analyze the Beck wagon, I have a feeling it's a scum-inspired counterwagon

Pine · Post Post #535 (isolation #37) » Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:30 pm

In post 514, Majiffy wrote:Insanity is probably SK if we have one fyi.

Have a half dozen or so Mafia points for this. SK hunting before we have evidence one is one of my favorite scum tells

Pine · Post Post #574 (isolation #38) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:32 am

In post 547, FinnLaw wrote:
In post 534, Pine wrote:Grib's eagerness to hammer is VERY scummy.

I disagree with this. IMO he was simply stating his intent to hammer. This lets everyone know the hammer is coming and if you have changed your mind then leave the wagon. It allows us collectively to agree whether to go ahead with the lynch.

Stop putting words in his mouth. That is not actually what he said, and intentions are everything

Pine · Post Post #576 (isolation #39) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:35 am

Flavor claiming does what for us, exactly? It's an extra layer of WIFOM that we don't need

Pine · Post Post #577 (isolation #40) » Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:36 am

In post 575, Beck wrote:Bbt looks desperate to me

Dude, I think BBT is scum, but that doesn't make sense. He's under no pressure right now, so desperate how?

Stop leaping wildly to conclusions

Pine · Post Post #691 (isolation #41) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 7:11 am

My limited access turned into no access unexpectedly, then went much longer than anticipated. I'm back online and will be trying to get current over the next 24 hours. Please be patient, I have several fast-moving games to catch up to.

Note to self: 582

This game has my first priority, given ArcAngel's replacement policy and how fast it moves

>> Thank you, I hate replacing. And Welcome back

<<

Pine · Post Post #703 (isolation #42) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:58 am

In post 621, Beck wrote:I'm surprised pine isn't voting bbt

I moved off of him when my second choice (Grib) looked more viable for the day, and the BBT wagon had stalled

Okay, I've completed a skim-through. Grib's charge on BBT comes off as incredibly self-serving. Personally, when I'm Town about to get mislynched, I try to provide reads and cases on everyone, so my private thoughts don't die with me. As scum, however, I'm far more likely to pick the weakest player I can find, and offer them up as an alternative. Now obviously, this isn't 100% reliable, as people are meta-conscious and occasionally self-aware enough to avoid stepping in it. It is, however, enough to make me doubt BBT!scum a little. He's not off the hook by any means, but it does mean I want to see Grib's flip more than I do BBT's. BBT can be left to SK/vig

The Yaruwhatever/Majiffy slot hasn't produced anything of value aside from SK hunting. I wouldn't be sad to see a lynch there. I can't help but worry that it's an easy counterwagon to the scum-rich BBT/Grib push

My full reads are more detailed, but right now I'd be most happy with a Grib lynch, BBT acceptable, Majiffy is a questionable compromise

Pine · Post Post #704 (isolation #43) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 8:58 am

I'm happiest with my vote where it is. We gain a ton of information from a Grib lynch

Pine · Post Post #706 (isolation #44) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:01 am

I kind of also want BBT and Grib to shut the fuck up. We get it. The other guy's scum. Let us sort out which of you is, or whether you're powerbussing

Pine · Post Post #728 (isolation #45) » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:08 pm

^dat scumpost

Like I said, Grib's in "anyone but me" mode. I don't feel inclined to oblige

Pine · Post Post #762 (isolation #46) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:37 am

Hey Majiffy

If you want to look like something other than an active lurker, produce something of value. I've had seriously limited access of late and I've produced way more than you

760 is reducing my hesitancy towards a Majiffy lynch. I don't like a lynch all lurkers policy, but if he's willfully doing nothing, fuck him

Still prefer a Grib lynch. Everything he does or says comes off as desperately seeking "anyone but me"

Pine · Post Post #766 (isolation #47) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:01 am

Very little. It's why I'd rather you actually produce something to analyze instead of sit there like a lump taking up space. A lump that responds with invective instead of taking the advice that is most likely to get Town back on track

Pine · Post Post #785 (isolation #48) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:25 am

In post 732, Grib wrote:Let's see.

Pine (rather dramatically) decided I "lost all towncred" after my unaligned players post instead of just asking me about it, stated that BBT was scummier than me but voted for me anyways because there wasn't any support for the BBT wagon, has continued to push for my lynch while saying absolutely nothing about
my
push on BBT besides whining about how annoying we are (even though the BBT wagon gained plenty of support), and attacked Finn with really shitty reasoning (the reason I believe they're nka).

Pine, explain to me why the above isn't scummy.

What, this question? Fuck off, scum, that's a loaded question. It presupposes my guilt, and answering it on it's own terms requires that I engage it on it's own level. You did something scummy, I called you on it. You proceeded to then do more scummy things, which I was now looking for.

I've already explained why I moved away from BBT, and I'll still go back there if support for it rematerializes. He remains my #2 suspect

PE: I didn't ignore your question, I ignored YOU. Also, quite scummy how you're leaping to say I ignored you when I haven't posted at all since you asked me to answer you fewer than two hours ago

Pine · Post Post #792 (isolation #49) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 7:57 am

In post 787, Grib wrote:Actually, you posted twice after I asked you that question.

I just want you to explain to me why your actions aren't scummy, because that is how I am seeing them. Dismissing me because you think I'm scum is a no-no.

I missed the question because I've been skimming you largely-BBT-focused posts. Then you asked me to answer your question, didn't wait for me to respond, and went off on me.

Also, I answered your question. Saying I dismissed it because you're scum indicted you didn't read my reply. My actions were justified.

In post 789, Beck wrote:
Nobody gives a shit

QFT. Seriously, quit getting mad at people telling you to contribute and you know...do so

Pine · Post Post #811 (isolation #50) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:45 am

Grib, I've answered your questions at least three times now, once before you even asked. I didn't "do nothing" about my BBT scumread, I was the one that started the push on him with you. Then you abandoned it, and I stayed on it. Then you started acting crazy scummy, choosing him, the player there was the most suspicion against, to levy a flailing case against. That made you jump from middle of the pack scummy to first in line. As I have said, repeatedly, BBT

remains

my second scum read, and if support rematerializes for his lynch, I'll vote him without hesitation. Lacking that support, and refusing to compromise on the shitty Majiffy wagon, I will be soldiering on against my top scum read - you

I absolutely refuse to answer this question again

Pine · Post Post #828 (isolation #51) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 9:50 am

In post 813, Grib wrote:Pine, I didn't abandon it. I pushed it to L-1
after
you voted me, in the same post where you complained about the BBT wagon being quiet (496). There was plenty of support for the wagon then. You never stayed on him because you were voting for me. I've been pushing him all game. Implying that I'm only flailing against him now is a flat-out lie.

And why did you even attack Finn before? That's still a question you're avoiding. Be a good little boy and explain yourself.

When the hell did I attack Finn, and when the hell did you ask me that?

Screw it. Whatever I said about Finn, I said it because I MEANT IT. That's the only "why" that matters, even if I don't remember what it was. I don't attack people for no reason. It must not have been very significant that I don't even recall it

Pine · Post Post #883 (isolation #52) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:39 pm

In post 829, Grib wrote:Very end of the spoiler in 583.

Are you shitting me?
1) No one actually reads your (or anyone's) spoilered quote walls. See that on Scripten just posted? Wasted effort, and I think he's the Towniest person in this game, except maybe Beck and Mathdino okay they're all really Townie
2) That was crazy mild. I told him not to put words in peoples' mouths, not OMG SCUM DIE SCUM
3) Stop acting like a spoiled child when people don't respond in epic detail to your every inane question. I don't have time in my busy busy day
4) You're trying to build cases out of absolute shit. It's hard to take anything you say seriously when you constantly vomit out nonsense

=======Back to relevant matters========

I don't see anything that looks like a scum case on Majiffy. The scum midst thing he's done is SK hunting, and that's not being mentioned. I see a lot of "stop being a dick" cases on Majiffy, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Lynch needs to be Grib or BBT

Pine · Post Post #884 (isolation #53) » Sat Nov 01, 2014 6:40 pm

/in before Beck says he's made a case

Beck, your case hinges on shaky meta and the presupposition that Majiffy's scum

Pine · Post Post #892 (isolation #54) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:58 am

Wait...so if Majiffy flips Town, Grib will want to lynch me for saying the case on him is bullshit?

Does not compute

Pine · Post Post #893 (isolation #55) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 6:00 am

Btw, obstinacy in the face of reasonable requests is kind of a Town tell

Pine · Post Post #897 (isolation #56) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:43 am

Because Beck is Town and you're wrong

Pine · Post Post #920 (isolation #57) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:41 pm

In post 898, Grib wrote:
In post 892, Pine wrote:Wait...so if Majiffy flips Town, Grib will want to lynch me for saying the case on him is bullshit?

Does not compute

That is exactly the reason I want to lynch you. I'd say A+ reading comprehension, but you skim my posts so I think a D+ would be more fitting.

First off, no. My objection and your "case" on me are nothing alike.

And I do read your posts. I only skim the insane spoilered wall quotes because they're annoying and say very little

Pine · Post Post #921 (isolation #58) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:45 pm

In post 915, Beck wrote:@pine and scripen. you need to decide me or majiffy. no other lynch is happening.

I don't support either case, so no, I don't. I would deadline support Majiffy, as he's being useless, over Town!Beck, but I have a sinking suspicion that the Majiffy wagon is a counterwagon to the wagons on legit scum BBT and Grib. It's really only useful as a policy elimination for someone that refuses to help

Pine · Post Post #923 (isolation #59) » Sun Nov 02, 2014 2:51 pm

I'd rather we not lynch either of you. Grib's right there. Flashwagon gogogo

Pine · Post Post #928 (isolation #60) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:47 am

Majiffy wagon started as an alternative to the BBT and Grib wagons. The shit show against Beck was a counter to that

Really not a fan of people twisting my words. Like I said, you're not my choice, kinda got a gut town read on you, but I wouldn't miss the pungent stench of mixed uselessness and douchebaggery

Pine · Post Post #973 (isolation #61) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:11 pm

Still don't like the Majiffy wagon. Beck wagon remains laughable

We need more input from Insanity

Pine · Post Post #976 (isolation #62) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:20 pm

Yeah, the Majiffy -> Mathdino connection is bullshit. Not seeing that logical progression

Pine · Post Post #980 (isolation #63) » Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:30 pm

In post 977, Beck wrote:
In post 973, Pine wrote:Still don't like the Majiffy wagon. Beck wagon remains laughable

We need more input from Insanity

Tell me why? He spends more time refusing to make a case and more effort trying to make up a bad counter wagon argument.

None of this is town behavior

P.edit - cause its jiffy/script

No no no. You're not thinking. It isn't Townish behavior, BUT IT ISNT SCUM BEHAVIOR EITHER

Tell me, what's the motivation for scum!Majiffy to be a stubborn douchbag? There isn't one. The path of least resistance would have been to produce some decent reads, play nice, and participate normally. It totally would have undermined the core of the case against him. He didn't, and there's just no scum motivation not to

In post 978, insanity018 wrote:Im here, on phone atm.

I don't see what majiffys done that makes him suddenly town.

Scripten, you clearly have no problem with voting majiffy. Why the aversion to hammering before?

See above. I've been saying this all along. Majiffy was a barely-acceptable deadline compromise, but that urgency has been obviated. You people need to pull your heads out of your asses, especially Majiffy

Pine · Post Post #1051 (isolation #64) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:39 pm

Welcome, ffery. You're using Townish deduction, boffo

Pine · Post Post #1133 (isolation #65) » Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:28 pm

In post 1124, fferyllt wrote:Your style of play is extremely suboptimal, beck.

It's pretty obvious that majiffy is going to flip town based on his after-hammer posts.

If you're town, then there are better ways to spend the twilight than slamming him.

This. Very this.

Beck, you need to FUCK OFF.

YOU and YOUR tunnelling caused a mislynch

You have NO right to berate people for shitty play when you can't see beyond your own ultimatums and my way or the highway attitude

Seriously considering replacing out

Pine · Post Post #1178 (isolation #66) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:51 am

I'm guessing Neighborizer. It's the only thing that really fits

I've seen Mafia Neighborizers before, it's not a guaranteed Town role. That said, Mafia Neighborizers are rare, Town Neighborizers are merely uncommon

Vote: Grib

Now that the moron convention over Majiffy vs Beck has concluded, can we lynch scum?

Pine · Post Post #1187 (isolation #67) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:51 am

BBT is also on mine

Pine · Post Post #1199 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:36 am

1195=Goodposting

Dig deeper on your gut feelings on about BBT. Everything he's doing seems disjointed and nonlinear. Town doesn't generally make a big reversal without a good damn reason

Kind of flattered by your thumbnail model? I think?

Pine · Post Post #1203 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:40 am

Thank you for categorizing yourself correctly, Beck

Pine · Post Post #1205 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:43 am

It's one of those things where if I explain it, it isn't funny anymore

Pine · Post Post #1211 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 07, 2014 8:54 am

Interesting. So who dropped quietly dropped Beck from their pools?

Pine · Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:02 am

In post 1229, Beck wrote:you are going off my opinion like it is shared by everyone else, you can't do that

Don't we all have to do that to a certain extent? Isn't that kind of the foundational conceit of guessing others' intentions?

Pine · Sun Nov 09, 2014 12:04 pm

I'm seeing {Beck, Mathdino} as strong Town, {ffery, Scripten} as moderately Town, and {Grib, BBT} as scum

I wouldn't say anyone is beyond reproach, though. I always start to get suspicious when I narrow down to the point where my Townreads:scum reads ratio is the same as the projected Town:scum ratio. In other words, I'm pretty confident about Grib and BBT, but odds are that I'm wrong about one of them (though likely not both) and wrong about one of the Townreads. So I'm at that self-doubting phase where I'm looking at even strong Townreads wondering if I have confirmation bias in their favor

Pine · Post Post #1270 (isolation #74) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 1:45 pm

Grub I've been through your ISO twice now, and I can't find where you've given any kind of real explanation or reason for listing Mathdino and fferyllt as two of your three top lynch choices. There's certainly nothing in there suggesting why Mathdino jumped to your #1 position over me, who you've been making consistent, yet shitty, cases against

Please explain the shift

Pine · Post Post #1272 (isolation #75) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 2:33 pm

Yeah, I don't buy this. At all

It's way too simple, and there's just no damn way to be that confident in all of one's reads. I mean, I just talked about this in 1268

No, you've made your choices based on who you want eliminated, and are using baseless PoE to justify it

Can we hang this scumfuck please?

Please?

Pine · Post Post #1286 (isolation #76) » Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:14 pm

Same. Scripten's actions have been bugging me, but I get where they're coming from

Pine · Post Post #1306 (isolation #77) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:59 am

In post 1299, Beck wrote:So, Beck and Scripten know each other to be town?

The vca part is the way

you avoided the jiffy wagon for no good reason at all

and out of the players on my l-1 wagon where almost certain 1 person is scum, your play has been the most scummiest I have seen. If math was scum id be able to make a case for him, I can't cause I haven't seen anything really scummy.[/quote]
Are you still trying to argue yesterday's mislynch? Seriously?

Pine · Post Post #1309 (isolation #78) » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:08 pm

Are you shitting me?

1) No, you haven't done more than I have. You've posted more times with less substance, but that's not the same thing

2) ISO me. I've posted about Grib dozens of times

Pine · Post Post #1329 (isolation #79) » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:31 am

In post 292, Pine wrote:
In post 254, Grib wrote:I have him and BBT as unaligned pairs.

Why are you asking easy questions?

Whoa, hold up.

Unaligned pairs? Occam's razor would not jump to this, the simpler solution is Town vs Town, or at least the possibility of such. Jumping to "unaligned pairs" sounds like "informed minority" to me

Grib's lost all Towncred with me, and gone onto my watchlist. I could absolutely see the Grib/BBT squabble as an early super bussing tactic

In post 258, Scripten wrote:
In post 256, Beck wrote:
That's not how it works, obvious stalling tactic.

Yes, actually, that is how it works. Quit rolefishing.

What rolefishing? He wasn't rolefishing

In post 262, Scripten wrote:I'm more sure that Pine and insanity018 are town now. (Sorry for the vote, Pine. Wanted to gauge a few reactions.) Beck... is null because he's single-minded and tunnel-y as hell, but tunneling is pretty much a null tell, if not town. So right now I'm left with lurkers and Grib, who suddenly feels a little off to me.

Grib:
Why do you believe that BBT and myself are unaligned? Why would that affect your vote? Since you said my naked vote on Pine was small beans, walk me through the process of switching over to the wagon on me and then back to BBT, please?

UNVOTE: Pine
VOTE: Grib

It was pretty poor reaction tests you were super obvious about it, even before everyone blew up your spot. The mere fact that you're setting traps and doing reaction tests, plus the speed and ease of that wagon on you makes me think you're Town

BECK
- You're tunneling unnecessarily. Chill

Actually, this is where my read on Grib ACTUALLY turned.

Seriously, Beck. You aren't reading

Pine · Post Post #1378 (isolation #80) » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:06 am

Sorry for absences, it's site-wide, despite Beck's frothing-at-the-mouth efforts to make it a sign of scumminess. It's work related, i have an 80 hour week. I have this evening off to respond to stuff

Pine · Sat Nov 15, 2014 10:53 am

Alright, I'm here

For the record, I have two jobs. One is part time retail at a book store, with light hours, that I actually find relaxing. The other is as an emergency medical technician on an ambulance. That schedule is neither light nor relaxing.

This week I will log more than 75 hours between those two jobs, not counting more than half a dozen hours commuting (the station I've been working out of this week is the next city over.) I've also had several emergency dentist and oral surgeon visits, as one of my wisdom teeth is in the process of crumbling, bit by bit. The remainder of my scarce free time has been taken up with family obligations and wedding prep-work.

That said, this is one of only two active games that I'm in that I'm still alive in, so I should be able to get back in this pretty efficiently. We've got a little less than a week, let's get to work

Now, can someone explain to me how and why Grib goes from 'nearly everyone wants to lynch' to a point where I'm the only vote left?

Pine · Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:04 am

I don't get your PoE at all, Mathdino

Pine · Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:05 am

I mean, I've come to similar conclusions (Grib and BBT), but I like my reasons. Your PoE seems really arbitrary

Pine · Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:21 am

No no, I see your wall post. I understand what you're saying. I just find it arbitrary and really haphazard. You've eliminated some people for really flimsy reasons. Scripten, for example - I think he's Town based on behavior, you seem to have eliminated him based on alleged role, despite the fact that Mafia Neighborizers exist. You've got to constantly reassess Townreads, not eliminate them for one thing and never look at them again. That's how good scum operates, with some carefully Town-looking stuff that causes people to forget them

PE: my point exactly

Pine · Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:51 am

In post 1465, Mathdino wrote:I believe they already stated that he's not a neighbouriser.

Regardless, if you'll check back to the end of D1, I recall saying Scripten was probably town seeing what he was doing with me as a reaction test. He was in my townlist before Beck 'confirmed' him. It's just easier to say he's town due to his role than because ~reasons~.

What other flimsy reasons?

All of them, really. Beck is the only one you seem to eliminate based on persistent behavior criteria

PE: No, Beck is pants-on-head Town. He's way less squirrelly as scum, and doesn't tunnel nearly as bad

Pine · Sat Nov 15, 2014 11:55 am

Point what out? I don't buy the entirety of the voting pairs argument, and that's the only thing you're using

Pine · Post Post #1475 (isolation #87) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 1160, Scripten wrote:<Snip>

Mathdino:
I'm town. Want confirmation? Ask Beck. He is my townie confirmation. Give me your most detailed read on Grib, please.

In post 1162, Beck wrote:I can't confirm he's town, I can confirm he's telling the truth about his having an ability

At this point, it's an ability that gives notification to its target, but not publicly. There's just a -bare- handful of those, most of which have the -izer suffix. There's even fewer in Normal mechanics (which are in effect per ArcAngel's first post).

In post 1175, Beck wrote:I just remembered this is a theme game and not bound by normal rules. So its possible he can be scum but for now I'll put him in town pile

The role is -probably- Town, but not necessarily. Masonizer is out.

In post 1167, Scripten wrote:Hey Beck, can you give a percentage of how likely it is that I'm town due to my role for everyone? Because it's pretty likely and I kind of need your help here. (Yeah, irony, I know.)

Anyway, BBT, are you still up for a Grib lynch? For serious this time. No reaction tests, promise.

In post 1169, Beck wrote:Until I do more research, I'd say 75% likely

P.edit - I wish I knew he was town

Based on this, it's a role that is usually, but not always, Town

In post 1178, Pine wrote:I'm guessing Neighborizer. It's the only thing that really fits

I've seen Mafia Neighborizers before, it's not a guaranteed Town role. That said, Mafia Neighborizers are rare, Town Neighborizers are merely uncommon

Vote: Grib

Now that the moron convention over Majiffy vs Beck has concluded, can we lynch scum?

Neighborizer is the only thing that comes to mind.

In fact, in researching this reply, I looked at the Normal rules. Neighborizer and Jack of All Trades (with Neighborizer power) are the ONLY roles in the explicitly Normal category that fit. I thought Inventor was non-Normal, but it isn't listed in either location, so it might conceivably be that too.

So, Scripten, now that you've made such a big deal about it, which is it?

Pine · Post Post #1476 (isolation #88) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:14 pm

[quote=Second post]

Game Setup

Discrete Flavor
Based on Jurassic park theme
Normal mechanics
No bastard[/quote]
Sorry, second post. Which is numbered post 1 for some reason.

Pine · Post Post #1478 (isolation #89) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:32 pm

In post 1333, fferyllt wrote:Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

Rereading the bits I missed. Ffery, what of 1333 did you want a response to? There's no question here:

In post 1333, fferyllt wrote:Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

Pine · Post Post #1479 (isolation #90) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:34 pm

Ugh, I am seriously driving the struggle bus with quotes tonight

Pine · Post Post #1482 (isolation #91) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:55 pm

Yeah, probably. We're not up against a deadline yet, and I only just jumped back in on this. I like to squeeze what I can from each day, rather than lurching wildly from one rabid tunnel to the next

I'm still trying to figure out how the Grib wagon, which was nearly unanimous, disintegrated

Pine · Post Post #1488 (isolation #92) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:32 pm

In post 1484, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1478, Pine wrote:
In post 1333, fferyllt wrote:Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

Rereading the bits I missed. Ffery, what of 1333 did you want a response to? There's no question here:

In post 1333, fferyllt wrote:Interesting. I spent some time thinking about this game while driving, and came to the conclusion that Pine reminds me a little of scum-SpyreX in a couple games we'd played because he's put
relatively little info about his scumreads into the game, as well as the huzzah type posts
he made in reply to a few things I posted.

The first time I played with SpyreX I was kinda wowed by his reputation and brushed over the lack of doing-stuff content.

Rereading this aftgernoon to make sure my on-the-road memory was accurate.

Mostly I wanted you to disagree with my characterization of your play if you think it's not accurate. I realize that "hey I feel like you're playing in my blind spot and that's something that keeps happening with good MS players of a certain vintage who keep turning out to be scum" isn't something really refutable.

Have you played with Beck before?

I disagree in general with analyzing people using the meta of entirely different players, but your opinion is your opinion.

Yes, I've played a few games with Beck and read several others. He tends to have a very transparent difference between Town and scum. Pants-on-head ubertunneling is his Town MO

In post 1486, Beck wrote:
In post 1482, Pine wrote:I'm still trying to figure out how the Grib wagon, which was nearly unanimous, disintegrated

I don't think grib ever got to l-1

Irrelevant. There was a point near day start where every player except BBT and Grib himself endorsed a Grib lynch

Pine · Post Post #1490 (isolation #93) » Sat Nov 15, 2014 3:44 pm

It's a good term. You're not the first I've heard it from, but hearing it from you reminded me of how fond I am of it

Pine · Post Post #1497 (isolation #94) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:15 am

Dude, BBT is scum, but bad logic. I'm going after Grib despite BBT being closer.

GodDAMN I hate bad logic. It weakens an otherwise good case

Pine · Post Post #1500 (isolation #95) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:25 am

In post 1496, Beck wrote:I mean pine is closest to a Lynch so if you were really trying to lynch a scum read, pine would have made more sense. Seema like he was only a viable option when he was at l-1 which speaks VOLUMES to how scummy you are

THIS is bad logic. That's simply not a thing

Stop weakening good cases with bad logic

Pine · Post Post #1503 (isolation #96) » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:52 am

No, I'm not

Pine · Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:36 am

It's like herding cats in here

Unvote
Vote: BBT

Pine · Post Post #1559 (isolation #98) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:54 am

Or Grib

Like I've been saying

Does AA9 have a history of comprehensive fakeclaims? Gallimimus was one of the original six associated with the first movie, so that's a risky fake if not

Pine · Post Post #1577 (isolation #99) » Mon Nov 17, 2014 9:10 am

Actually, you have. Your Town playstyle is actually really scummy. You vote hop, don't follow through on wagons, and make bullshit cases. Remember Rolling in the Deep? I was legitimately convinced you were scum, where you're behaving the same as here

The thing is, you only do that as Town. You pull it back as scum.

I mean, you're in your meta turbo-Town mode, but saying you've done nothing scummy is laughable

Pine · Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:03 am

Willingness to get off-track on irrelevant tangents is also kind of scummy. Whatever. I'm not engaging this argument, it's a valid

opinion

that leads me to conclude that you're Town. Next topic

BBT, I've repeatedly stated that my chief scumreads are you and Grib, Grib more so. I mean, shit. Look at how he lurks while we're talking about lynching me or you then as soon as he's mentioned is active again.

Strong Townreads are Beck and Mathdino, both for their behavior

Fferyllt looks Town for strong entrance into the game and use of logic, but recent coasting and PoE leaves me wondering whether she should be reconsidered, should one of {Grib, BBT} flip Town

Scripten is a special case. Overall, he's got a very strange approach and behavior. I'd rank him before Fferyllt for reconsideration, but the Scripten-Beck connection has me questioning it. Normal rules and PoE tell me it's probably Neighborizer, which is NOT guaranteed Town, and a role that scum might try to use as a coasting option. On the other hand, a Micro Normal can have one role that is experimental and not explicitly Normal, so it could be Inventor or even something more exotic. Scripten's reticence on this makes clearing him really, really annoying

Pine · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:02 pm

Alright, several questions posed to me

Scripten

: No, your behavior does not look like coasting. What I said is that the claim looks like one that scum

could

use to coast. I'm much more concerned with two things: First, your reluctance to elaborate on whatever's going on with you and Beck, when you said D1 that your role would confirm you as Town. It didn't, per Beck. Second, your hard push back on me when I said Neighborizer. It is by far the most likely role, and the only one within explicitly Normal mechanics. Given that the hard push looks really weird. It doesn't actually make any sense as Town. How exactly would I have arrived at that point without just reasoning it out? Doesn't make much sense. That said, everything together suggests the Town side of null

Grib

: In the last three days, you've posted nine times, almost all since coming back under scrutiny. One of those was wishing Scripten happy birthday, ALL of the other were in the last few hours, mostly in self-defense, after coming back under scrutiny. In the same time period, I've posted 21 times, mostly on the offense, scumhunting. So yes, that's lurking.

Beck

: Are you serious? Why do I keep asking that, of course you are. I've been working on getting Grib lynched for WEEKS. He's easily the scummiest person here, but wagons on him keep melting away. Put YOUR money where YOUR mouth is, and get on board

Scripten again

: BBTs move away from Grib makes perfect sense, when you consider that BBT is a relatively new player. He's either Grib's scumbuddy trying to bail out his mate, or he's an investigative role with an inno. Guess what? He hasn't defended Grib enough for it to be the latter. Get on board

PE: Bravo, Mathdino. I think that's L-1

Pine · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:10 pm

Unvote
Vote: Grib

Well that was in error. Thought I'd changed it earlier today

Pine · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:21 pm

Pretty sure I know why, but I'll let Math field it before I put in my two cents

Pine · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:38 pm

I'll let Majiffy know

Pine · Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:41 pm

Math, can you answer Grib's question about the divergent reactions to his similar posts? I think I know why, but I want you to go first

Pine · Tue Nov 18, 2014 9:19 am

^This fucking thread

Pine · Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:51 am

I -WAS- helping lynch BBT, and then the collective derpbrain of this thread changed its mind AGAIN

Grib is just as viable a lynch. He's at L-2, and Mathdino has intent to L-1

Why don't YOU get on board? This game does NOT revolve around you and your ever-changing whims, Beck, despite your absurd post count

Pine · Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:58 am

See, I could see ffeey/BBT now. Not many associatives between Grib and BBT, they're independently scummy.

Still prefer Grib, but I endorse a deadline BBT lynch

Pine · Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:27 pm

Mathdino was on board earlier, and removed because he wanted to deliberate more

I don't want to speak for him, but that's somewhat equivalent

Pine · Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:48 pm

^This, both sentiments

Pine · Wed Nov 19, 2014 2:19 pm

In post 1691, Mathdino wrote:
In post 1678, Pine wrote:See, I could see ffeey/BBT now. Not many associatives between Grib and BBT, they're independently scummy.

Still prefer Grib, but I endorse a deadline BBT lynch

I feel like this is trying to leave the lynchpool open for someone other than yourself if Grib flips town.

In post 1695, Mathdino wrote:If you're town, Pine is scum, especially given that last post.

Furthermore it makes (IMO) BBT town, despite people repeatedly attempting to see BBT as scum with Pine and fferyllt.

Nope on all counts

Pine · Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:46 am

In post 1720, Mathdino wrote:
Beck
Scripten
Pine
fferyllt
,

What are your thoughts on a mass flavour claim?

Ambivalent. If scum have fakeclaims it's nothing more than unnecessary WIFOM

In post 1724, Grib wrote:There's no way we're going to get through this before Day ends.

Plus this

But apparently we're doing it anyway, I am T-Rex (there goes your theory, Math)

My flavor can be summed up to say that I hate other meat-eaters because there's not enough to go around, and I'm willing to work with the herbivores for my share. There's also a bunch of fluff about T-Rex, including a bit about T-Rexes getting a bad rep as predators when they were actually primarily scavengers.

Interesting sidenote, I was stoked to get T-Rex just for the badass factor, but also thrilled to see the scavenger bit. I've actually met Jack Horner, one of the most significant living paleontologists, and the world's foremost T-Rex expert, on two occasions. One of those was a lecture tour just after he proposed the T-Rex-as-scavenger-not-predator theory. Cool stuff

Pine · Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:49 am

Nah, Grib's fishing for a Governor

Pine · Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:49 am

Nah, Grib's fishing for a Governor. I'd still bet a good deal on a scumflip

Pine · Thu Nov 20, 2014 7:50 am

Odd. Doublepost

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:46 pm

I'm the PR. I Tracked BBT to dead!Beck

BBT + ffery. Calling it

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:55 pm

"Past few nights?" There's only been two. The first one I also tracked BBT, he went nowhere

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:57 pm

The flavor of the Tracker power goes along with T-Rex being a scavenger. Rexes had great olfactory (smell) and hearing capabilities, much like vultures and other modern scavengers, so they could feed on dead meat from a large territory

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:58 pm

Vote: BBT

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:08 pm

A quicklynch will end the game. It's 3:2 right now, numbnuts. This is LYLO

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:09 pm

He's not. He doesn't think it's LYLO. Or he's playing dumb

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:17 pm

I have verifiable proof of him being scum. He claimed VT and was tracked to a body

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:24 pm

I don't buy, even for a second, that there's both a Town Tracker and a Town Watcher. BBT + Ffery. Game won

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:39 pm

Not really sure how, tbh. From my perspective, I have proof (or close enough) that it's ffery + BBT

Why would ffery out her power in the Neighborhood with no results? Possibly a preemptive thing? Dunno. Honestly, ffery hasn't done too much that I'd usually call scummy. I mean, she good posted her way out of a hole D1, then coasted through D2, but that's about it. I only really came to a ffery suspicion by pure PoE until that claim. I'm thinking she wishes she hadn't nailed herself down to one single claim about now

I don't see how it's relevant, to be blunt. Ffery and I will both be alive D4. We're going to lynch caught!scum BBT, then she's going to have to decide who to kill. She won't choose me, because my Tracker flip would blow her only cover. So she chooses one of Scripten and Math to bring to endgame. At that point, it's a question of which is telling the truth

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:58 pm

No, I just don't find two similar investigators plausible. I'm getting an itch to vote you, but I've got to stay with the 100% scum over the 99.9% scum

Pine · Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:59 pm

What's the flavor on your power

Pine · Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:52 am

Wtf claiming pr on scumbuddy in LYLO? No. Pull your head out of your ass, Math.

PE: Neighborizer is a weak role specifically because it doesn't do what you just said. Stop inventing a Scripten case. You're caught!scum

Pine · Mon Nov 24, 2014 4:02 am

Mod-created neighborhoods do. Player-created neighborhoods don't

Pine · Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:13 am

Correct answer: BBT + ffery

Pine · Mon Nov 24, 2014 9:21 am

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:15 am

Dude, I've made my case. You fucks need to decide

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:32 am

I don't see a BP claim from Scripten?

In a 9-player game, two weak investigators is just too much Town power, though I suppose a full Ninja could mitigate it by making scum effectively immune until Ninja is eliminated. Hmm. A question for D4, after BBT flips. I'm willing to lower suspicion of ffery from 99.9% to 90%, given that remote possibility

That said, if you're so certain, your vote should be down. Anything else looks like hypocrisy and hedging

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 11:54 am

When you make a definitive, 100%-going-to-do-this statement, and then you don't do it, it's always scummy. Right now, it's clearly hesitation to make sure all your ducks are in a row before you do it, because when you vote and I don't get hammered, people get cleared as confirmed Town

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:04 pm

I'm not. By all means, don't vote.

I'm pointing out the cog diss of saying one thing and doing another

Besides, the only way I see is both as possibly Town is with a full Ninja on the scumteam. We already know it's not BBT, so there's 50% of the team excluded

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:05 pm

Wait, no. Ninja would be making their kills, not BBT

Yeah, BBT+ffery. I'm bak to 99.9% sure

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:51 pm

Fuck you, Scripten. I'm not playing in an anti-Town manner, I have a guilty verdict and scum counter claiming me. Nor am I not paying attention. Notice how this is the second time today you've shot activity requests at me, and both times I've responded within half an hour

I'm not the one stalling here. I have the closest thing to proof about the scumteam as you can get, and you jackasses are stalling and theorizing about irrelevant bullshit

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:53 pm

Let's rephrase this

What do we need to do for you to stop sitting on the fence and choose? The cases are quite plainly laid out, you need to get off your ass and make a choice

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:02 pm

VCA doesn't really help. D1 lynch was all Town (unless setup is crazy and Scripten's playing a really good game), D2 lynch only scum was ffery

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:07 pm

You won't find meta. I've never been in the position of having a guilty in LYLO, much less two effective guilties. It's incredibly frustrating

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 1:15 pm

It's been described as erratic. I tend not to conform to any one style. Different games are just plain different.

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:26 pm

I'm not a tracker, but the plan works with watching

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:28 pm

Well, no. It only works with saying yes or no he chose to visit ffery/Math.

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:33 pm

Ugh, confusing myself. Was trying to say it could work on ffery, but tired+phonepost=stupiderror

Pine · Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:00 pm

In post 1953, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1948, Pine wrote:I'm not a tracker, but the plan works with watching

what?

What are you then?

I'm a tracker. I cut down a longer statement about you being a watcher, not a tracker, and didn't reread it

Pine · Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:43 pm

Actually... No

I'm pulling my support of Math's plan, and here's why:

It proves nothing of value

Tracker and Watcher can both be scum roles, and often are. Correctly tracking Scripten proves only my role, not my alignment. Therefore, proving that I am a Tracker provides no clarifying evidence. Scum will inevitably argue that I am either a scum Tracker or that I straight up guessed correctly, and we're in exactly the same position we're in now

I'll be tracking ffery. Doing so will either reconfirm that he's the scumfuck I think he is, or give me a surprise innocent on him, derailing a mislynch. Either way, it is more productive than tracking Scripten, which, again, would not actually prove my alignment

Pine · Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:48 pm

V/LA for the Thanksgiving holiday and Black Friday. I'll check in but will not be highly present

Pine · Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:10 pm

Go go gadget selective quoting

Pine · Thu Nov 27, 2014 1:22 pm

In post 1951, Pine wrote:Ugh, confusing myself. Was trying to say it could work on ffery, but tired+phonepost=stupiderror

In post 1960, Pine wrote:
In post 1953, fferyllt wrote:
In post 1948, Pine wrote:I'm not a tracker, but the plan works with watching

what?

What are you then?

I'm a tracker. I cut down a longer statement about you being a watcher, not a tracker, and didn't reread it

Commenting on me "slipping" and not mentioning these is absolutely selective quoting. It's scummier than a food disposal after Thanksgiving dinner

Speaking of, I'm about to sit down to it now.

STUFFING

Pine · Thu Nov 27, 2014 2:03 pm

Thanksgiving was delicious. I feel like a whale now

Lol at BBT continuing to misrepresent my "slip". It would be way less scummy if he quoted it in full and said that he thought it was a good recovery from a mistake. Misquoting it repeatedly is from the scummy scum playbook

Pine · Thu Nov 27, 2014 6:42 pm

Go home, Math. You're drunk

I never bus if I can help it. I feel it's anti-wincon

Pine · Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:12 pm

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/xAc33MbXhyxg
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/ARhi2QagsqQQ
http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/gECLEu6mukgXC

Some scum QTs where I go on about it. I'm no longer quite as adamant about it, but I quite firmly believe in not doing it aggressively or without compelling reason

This discussion kind of makes me uncomfortable. Getting into self-meta feels disingenuous, even when it's not

Pine · Thu Nov 27, 2014 7:13 pm

Ugh, tapped submit before my thought was done. We can discuss the topic post game, when you don't have reason to suspect that I might be lying

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:44 am

In post 2026, Mathdino wrote:Fuck it. fferyllt's getting lynched tomorrow if BBT flips scum. As flip-floppy as I've been, self-prediction says I'm probably gonna decide on fferyllt.

VOTE: fferyllt

Let's see what happens.

This is me not wildly leaping onto this. Your Pine + BBT spec is off target

Three pages popped and I'm on a lunch break. Lots to respond to, this was the only thing that demanded an immediate reply

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:47 am

I'm on for the next 15 minutes or so Math, anything urgent you want?

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:50 am

I maintain my position. Tracking Scripten proves nothing, and prevents me from getting potentially game-saving information

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:51 am

Lolno. Signaling scum partner with you two both ninjaing posts would be tantamount to suicide

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:53 am

I missed that, actually. Like I said, I skimmed. Just saw the vote

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:55 am

I've got six minutes left, anything else you need? The ninja thing doesn't convince me, btw. It's a risk either way

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:58 am

Who is ffery allegedly watching?

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:03 am

Signing off until this evening. I'll catch up fully then

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:59 pm

Wtf? Mathdino, that's not how that works.

Obviously, scum has been really, really cautious around reaction tests. Also, the "would have hammered Pine" from D2 need to be discarded, we weren't at LYLO there

Pine · Fri Nov 28, 2014 7:06 pm

Apparently there is

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 5:28 am

I still have my guilty on BBT. I don't know what game scum are playing, but your reckless gambits put them close to winning. Maybe they didn't realize the quickhammer opportunity existed, or maybe they hesitated, or something else, but your PoE is flat wrong

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:05 am

I mean, shit, your proposal is that I killed Beck, who was rabid for BBT, then came out with a guilty on him, all while bussing him? That's just really, really bad scumplay

PE-We came close to losing when you put me to L-1, you knob.

I'm thinking the only possible team now is Math + BBT. I don't know how Tracker + Watcher is balanced, but it must be. This is why I want to track ffery, and probably why you oppose it. Also why you wanted to dictate where both investigators would go

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:38 am

I'm not tracking Scripten. You don't dictate my PR, scum

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:39 am

Again, Town learns nothing from either of those PR directives. It just tells scum who to kill to avoid detection

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 6:57 am

I don't see how anything in that post contradicts what I said in the quote

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:09 am

That would be a reasonable assumption, except I had no way of knowing that ffery had claimed in the neighborhood. I was commenting on the ridiculous assertions Mathdino was making about my motives

Also, Neighborizer is a neutral role. It helps scum just as often as it does Town. The real question is what would balance Tracker+Watcher. Not ninja, it would be scum-sided then, as both Town-side PRs would be worthless. Maybe a JOAT of some kind? A rolecop? I don't know, because I'm not scum. Faced with the evidence Mathdino has presented, he proves to me that he's scum. I have proof of BBTscum. Therefore, the implausible Tracker+Watcher is proven true. I'm guessing scum have a really solid PR to counterbalance

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:13 am

In post 2165, Scripten wrote:Or we have a Neighborizer and a Watcher, which would make perfect sense with a vanilla scumteam.

There is zero reason to assume that. It's just as likely that there's a scum PR as not. From my perspective, I have confirmation on three Town PRs. One of those (Neighborizer) can go either way and is thus a neutral utility, and the other two are conditional weak investigators. A JOAT, rolecop, or similar on the scumteam would indeed balance.

In post 2167, Mathdino wrote:Pine, if I were scum with BBT, why would I delay your lynch? Scripten and fferyllt are pretty much ready to lynch you. The only reason I don't want them to is because I prefer them both alive to decide between me and BBT.

Doesn't it seem a bit antiwincon to force a 1v1 between me and my scumbuddy?

First off, you've been pushing the notion ALL DAY that BBT and are scum together, which would mean that I'd have been been trying to force a 1v1 between me and my scumbuddy. So take your hypocrisy and shove it. As for delaying my lynch, I don't know. Why don't you tell us? Too hesitant, or are you just enjoying the WIFOM game?

I think you're not hammering because you're dicking with us. You've got the game own, hammer and end it

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:39 am

I did. Your failure to hammer proves you arent

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:40 am

In post 2180, Pine wrote:I did. Your failure to hammer proves you arent

When faced with proof that our assumptions are incorrect, we are forced to reevaluate. Upon looking at it objectively, and really considering balance, there actually are options. Particularly when you consider that the addition or subtraction of a Neighborizer does not affect balance in either direction

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:48 am

I'm not. We lost the moment Scripten voted. Matt's just messing around now. He probably deserves a Scummy

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:48 am

Math*

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:54 am

Your circumstances are quite different. No one really wants to vote Math, he's put himself above suspicion. He already has his win, and it is unlikely to go away. In contrast, you've been on the defensive all day, and were offered an out that was a closing window

Shit, the fact that Math even "gambled" like he did is evidence. From a Townie, that would have been a huge, huge risk. From scum, he risked nothing, and looked noble and daring to do it. Like dictating how you and I would use our powers, he's trying to control the game

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 11:55 am

Unvote
Vote: Mathdino

Fuck you, guy. Just out of spite

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:34 pm

In post 2191, fferyllt wrote:But, he's pushing a bbt lynch over his own. Is he doing what he accuses you of doing? bussing his partner?

Who?

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:37 pm

I'm happy to lynch either

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:41 pm

Dude, just hammer. You got the Scripten vote you needed. Congrats, I'll not you for Don Corleone

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:41 pm

Nom*

Damn autocorrect

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:45 pm

Actually, I'm being 100% rational. It's only weird if I'm scum

I'm not

PE: How is it blacklist worthy?

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:46 pm

You're also not going to convince me, after that performance and all that proof, that you aren't scum. I won't give you a perfect win

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 12:50 pm

It was based on Scripten not hammering. Given that pretty much everyone has not gone for the quick win when proffered, it's likely that scum has been really, really hesitant. Scum may suspect or be worrying about governor

PE: I have a tracker guilty on him. Given that it's 100% confirmed for me, I'm comfortable working on D4 stuff while I'm still alive

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:42 pm

Unvote

I'm willing to listen, but it'd take a lot of convincing for me to not put it back

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 1:43 pm

What was the reason Scripten was clear? There was a good one some time ago

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:09 pm

In post 2231, Mathdino wrote:2 isnt possible cuz me/BBT arent the team as proven

I'm not taking anything as established anymore. Right now, I am assuming that scum has had an opportunity in their hands and passed it up. Dunno whether they're stupid, hesitant, or fearful of a gov

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 3:16 pm

Paranoia

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:36 pm

Actually, I'm satisfied that ffery is Town. Having taken in all the facts, I'm 100% sure of BBT scum, pretty sure of ffery Town, and leaning towards Scripten as scum. Our reason for thinking he was Town seems invalid(?), and you'd have hammered by now. You're right, everyone else has claimed or been caught

Fuck I don't know any more. Kind of wish someone would put this game out of its misery

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 7:37 pm

You're doing a lot of scummy shit tho. I'd be all over you if not for me sitting at L-1 with a Town PM and you not voting

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 8:18 pm

In post 2240, Mathdino wrote:There is 0 town motivation in what you just said. The only way I can be scum is with you. You want people to look at me if you get lynched.

Umm, no. Things like "You think I'd do this" and "A compsognathus governor?" are super WIFOMy

You're Town I guess. You'd have hammered by now. I thought you were messing with us at first, but it's gone too long for that.

Given that I'm not dead, Scripten + BBT

In fact

Vote: BBT

We've gotten distracted from the guilty

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:11 pm

Well, we can't no lynch

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:20 pm

BBT + Scripten I think. Given that either Math or ffery could've won if they were scum, I'm fine with either

Pine · Sat Nov 29, 2014 9:24 pm

Not scum

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:28 pm

*fidget*

C'mon guys. Head in the game
Choices are BBT, Scripten, or myself. Frankly, I'd much rather the first, as I'm beyond doubt on it. D4's going to come down to a decision between me and Scripten, though, and I'm happy to look at that choice now, before he gets to select which of you he'd prefer in endgame

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:33 pm

Because he's not voting for me right now. Neither is ffery.

Math is especially out of the running, because he's the only possible governor

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:44 pm

Why is Math clear to you, Scripten? He should be just as questionable as anyone else to you

For that matter, you've been quiet and coasting all damn day. Explain that

PE: No, he's caught scum. Your assertion preassumes that I'm scum, and that makes it false

I know why Math and ffery have to be Town from my perspective. Defend your position

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:08 pm

No. Over the course of the whole game, you and Math may have a lot of posts, but during Day 3, the only player less active than you has been BBT, and that's a wide margin

As for the rest, bullshit. You were hesitant or cautious or didn't realize the opportunity or whatever. I don't know why people haven't been hammering, but scum passed up opportunities regardless of who BBT's partner is. BBT, ffery, and I have all been within striking distance of being quick hammered, and they all were passed up. The only one that has been consistent is the one we're in now, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they're Town

You aren't, and neither is BBT

Fuck this, the question isn't about BBT any more, he's caught scum. The question boils down to me vs Scripten, and we're at a greater advantage debating it today, without our numbers cut further

Unvote
Vote: Scripten

Let's dance

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:15 pm

Selective quoting. I had a fifteen minute lunch break, and I could tell he was online. I also announced five minutes left after he unvoted. It was simply the truth, not a signal. Like I said, trying to get a two-person quick hammer going when the other was offline and both Math and ffery were watching me like a hawk would be just asinine stupid

So add misrepresentation to selective quoting

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:37 pm

I had very good, thoroughly-explained reasons for my evolving reads throughout the day. Math and ffery have both reacted very Townishly to being voted, you and BBT haven't

As for the timing thing, you basically just proved my point, then restated it to sound different. I was citing my time left regardless of the vote on ffery, and the notion that I was trying to circumvent online players over a very short time span with an offline player is nuts. As I said before, it would have been tantamount to suicide, and I'm simply not that dumb

No, what you're doing there is second cousin to making a strawman argument. It's only scummy if you've already decided to call it that. Objectively, doing that as scum is moronic

Pine · Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:29 pm