Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[TheAdrienC]

Yo guys. This seems like an interesting concept so this should be a fun game. Give me a mo to catch up on all the action so far.

[TheAdrienC]

So anyway, I never properly introduced myself. I'm Adrien. You're free to call me Ade. I think the only one here I am familiar with here is NotMafia. So I'm going to do a few posts going over what I'm reading with a fresh set of eyes, starting on page one. I'll try to spread them across a few posts so it's easier to read.

Mod slipped that the scum faction only has pre-game and night talk on 2. That favors us just a little bit and we know they can't communicate during the day.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve, which is why I don't like NotMafia going along with it a whole lot less. You essentially put everyone at L-3 and even if both of you were town, imagine one other townsperson puts a random vote up, you have them at L-2 with what I assume is two scums running around (numbers and the sample Role PMs saying "your PARTNER is..." as clues for that) is a very dangerous thing to do. So shame on both of you, a little more bad for NM than Oka.

I like how ProHawk put some pressure on NM for his very anti-town actions I outlined above.

The fact he said he may have been somewhat serious at 25 makes me feel even worse about NM.

Skipping ahead to 47, while they're openings were similar, I don't think both of them are scum. One scum in that group is much more likely. It would be very VERY foolish of a scum team to open up like that together.

I do agree with 54 when Flubber said that scum isn't interested in townhunting. He's right, they know who the town is. They need to appear as town as possible by pretending to scumhunt.

61 makes me shake my head. If I'm not mistaken, we are all VTs or goons.

More to come.

[TheAdrienC]

Saints game followed by work is delaying me continuing but I marked my place and will finish going over posts.

[TheAdrienC]

Damn guys, I come back home and you've practically doubled what I needed to read. I see Droog took the "just give me a summary" bit so I'll accept a summary as well. But I do have some questions.

Oka, Hawk...everyone I guess: Did NotMafia do anything to begin to earn your trust as he was hella scummy in the early stages of the game that I combed through?

Heph, you seem to be pointing your guns at the person I had the biggest town read, can you please summarize your case on him?

droog: You didn't like how I pointed out it was to our (the town's) advantage that the scum doesn't have day talk in a game where we have two day lynches, which means they can only communicate between every other lynch and have very little time working together. You don't think that pointing that out is to our advantage where the first lynch of a day could throw off plans of theirs without them knowing what to do next? If you don't think that is advantageous of us to know, why not?

Also, for everyone, is none, one, or both scum on the Flubbernugget lynch?

[TheAdrienC]

So on the lynch was Xayzeck, OkaPoka, hephaestus, Not_Mafia, roseylily. Off was Prohawk, scrambles (now droog), and my slot. While I'm not committing to the one on, one off theory yet, this information could be useful in the latter parts of the game.

You don't exactly enthused about NM with that question mark there so I'm going to officially cast my vote.

Vote: Not_Mafia

[TheAdrienC]

Did you mess up to quote tag or are you trying to pin your words on Oka? Also, saying that scum was more likely to do it and then putting a vote on me must mean something in terms of scumminess. Also, why exactly are you asking for a read on Oka? I'll go over his posts and give you one, but why him specifically?

[TheAdrienC]

I also never said the word "scummy" in the post you quoted. Now who is trying to misconstrue words?

[TheAdrienC]

Adrien 376 is already a pretty straightforward explanation of my vote, see above for hopefully some more clarity or feel free to ask whatever is unclear to you

Alright, I understand your vote. Not going to join in unless I see something else, but I at least understand your vote. I'll have my Oka read for droog after I get home from work tonight.

[TheAdrienC]

Mod slipped that the

scum faction only has pre-game and night talk

on 2. That favors us just a little bit and we know they can't communicate during the day.

small stuff: who else noticed this?

Much more likely scum would notice

missing daytalk than town.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,

this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

That right there was you calling me scum over it. Don't backtrack.

Also, I never claimed Oka was my top scumread. I said Not_Mafia was because it was even worse for him to do it after Oka did it in the first place. Also, don't say I'm refusing to give you my read on Oka when I clearly stated I would do it after I come home from work, which I just got home from?

Adrien my excuse for posting nonsense is that I'm on a phone. What's yours

Why would you accuse me of shifting my case to Oka

Occam's Razor

You said I didn't like your post -- wtf does that mean if you aren't accusing me of calling you scummy

I was asking you for your Oka read because you made a very easy criticism of him and I wanted to hear your full opinion

Still want to hear it

What the hell? I never said you were shifting your case on Oka. While you've bugged me about my read on him, you've kept your guns pointing at me. Find a post where I said you were shifting your case onto Oka. Your posts are not making one lick of sense. I also do not like the way you are twisting my votes to make me look scummy for reasons you are making up.

Now that I'm home from work and have replied to your idiot ramblings, I'll go over Oka's posts and see if I can give you detailed read. Right now, I'm kinda null on him as a whole.

By the way,

Vote: Droog

for twisting crap. Kinda similar to Lynch All Liars at this point.

[TheAdrienC]

I never said it was pro-town of me to point out. I said it was GOOD FOR THE TOWN that they couldn't.

[TheAdrienC]

Adrien's read on OkaPoka

Though I didn't like his initial votes on everyone and it was a bit hypocritical of him to attack NM, it was something a townie would do. His post 30 especially pointed out that Not_Mafia's tactics were not town.

He was right in post 53 that it's unlikely for him to be scumbuddies with NM unless they are really good bussers. Post 61 was an eyeroller. He prodded some inactives by voting for them to get them wrangled into the discussion, something I can see town doing on Day 1.

He has voted a few times without explaining, something I'm uncomfortable with, which takes away a few of his good points. I also feel like he was back and forth on pushing the flubber lynch, something I feel like scum knowing it's a mislynch might do (towards the end might have just been his survival instinct, but before he was even close to the noose, it looked flipfloppy). He also went back and forth on Hawk, calling him a top town read then a scum read very quickly, but reads are supposed to evolve, I suppose (he also voted Rosey after saying prior to the Flubber lynch that she was in his "never vote" pool). His self hammer makes me uncomfortable, but I can't see scum doing it unless it was a very ballsy gambit.

Overall, I have a middle ground read on Oka, but I explained why I have some town vibes and some scum vibes on him. Is that a good enough case for my null read?

[TheAdrienC]

So basically we have Oka vs. Rosey. Heph vs Hawk. Adrien vs. Droog. Someone's gotta be wrong...

[TheAdrienC]

Hey, one of my votes is on NM!

[TheAdrienC]

Heph if oka flips scum does that make me town?

I know this wasn't directed at me, if Oka flipped scum, I think the only person my read would improve upon would be NM. I can't see both of them being scum.

[TheAdrienC]

ProHawk, you're online. Care to share a readlist?

[TheAdrienC]

Or at least your top scum reads.

[TheAdrienC]

All I have got is Oka at the top as far as town reads, and Heph at the bottom as far as scum reads. Haven't really sorted the in-between yet.

That's fair. Can you give me a summary for both of those reads?

[TheAdrienC]

Heph feels like scum pushing his case, he seems to have a good handle of whats going on but is pushing me for hypothetical stuff using Oka's alignment as a crutch when we haven't even seen his alignment yet. His predecessor was also really distant and anti-town.

Oka's near death flail was really town, or EXTREMELY good acting.

You and Doog feel like town v town arguing.

Not real sure about Xayxeck and I thought rose was town last I remember.

N_M is about the most middle of the road that I have.

I was thinking that about Oka. I didn't like a few things he did early on, but I'm having a hard time seeing him doing that as scum.

I'm gonna be the bigger person and

Unvote: Droog

. I'll do a run down similar to what I did on Oka for Not_Mafia and explain why my vote is on him or if anything suddenly sticks out as a reason to take my vote off of him.

[TheAdrienC]

Long post responding to your 541 coming, but I responded to both parts of that. I voted for my top read on post 492, and I gave my full read on Oka on 520. I didn't ignore anything.

[TheAdrienC]

So, I'm really really ready for this day to end

Who's scum, NM?

[TheAdrienC]

I'm not completely sold on Oka. Why are so many people calling for his lynch?

[TheAdrienC]

Actually, I think we only have a few hours left.

[TheAdrienC]

Vote: Heph

We're no lynching soon and I don't agree with lynching Oka.

[TheAdrienC]

Wait never mind, I just noticed mod is using a count down thing in his posts. I subtracted the time of the post and the time left. Opps. We have a bit less than two days left. I'll keep my vote on Heph so that we have an option outside of Oka.

[TheAdrienC]

Which means people on the last-minute-get-a-lynch-train will go... oh, the only one close enough to lynch is Oka. Vote Oka. Vote Oka cause we can't no lynch! Vote. Oka.

Why don't

you

vote Oka?

He was being sarcastic.

[TheAdrienC]

Is scum one of the lurkers, Heph?

[TheAdrienC]

I have a vote in him. If you think that, vote for him.

[TheAdrienC]

He's throwing in a towel. Would scum give up that easily?

[TheAdrienC]

Not_Mafia gets my vote opening Day 2.

[TheAdrienC]

Tmr?

[TheAdrienC]

Ah, gotcha.

[TheAdrienC]

I hate waiting for flips. Makes me anxious to see if we made the right choice and what not...

[TheAdrienC]

Vote: Not_Mafia

I said I was going to do this.

[TheAdrienC]

VOTE: TheAdrienC

I actually found Oka's reaction to my hammer towny, droog's too but less so, although I'm townreading him anyway. Adrien's push on me however has been really weak and robotic "voting everyone is bad and quickhammering is bad, bad things mean scum" when he knows it's not that simple firsthand.

So another word's, this is a "YOU'RE VOTING FOR ME SO I'M VOTING FOR YOU!!"

[TheAdrienC]

Are you referring to Juls from Toomai. Because there was a reason Juls ended up being lynched. Because it was an ANTI-TOWN action. EVEN SHE ADMITTED THAT IN THE END. Your actions were anti-town and you have been skating throughout this entire game, as previously mentioned by people other than myself. My other vote is in pencil, but my vote for you, unless something drastic happens, is in ink.

[TheAdrienC]

I see anti-town actions, I call out anti-town actions. Excuse me for not giving you a free pass to do whatever the hell you want to cost the town this game.

[TheAdrienC]

What side is more likely to commit anti-town actions? Scum. I'm wanting your lynch because you are, by far, my best suspect for scum. And yes, it DID address what you said.

[TheAdrienC]

Who's scum, NM?

[TheAdrienC]

And yes, it DID address what you said.

It didn't, you've basically analysed me and Oka voting everyone and my quickhammer and nothing in between except accusations leveled at you. All you've done is either reactionary or picking out that easiest things you can pick on with no real consideration.

Who is my partner? Who is scum if I flip town?

I'll need to do some analysis to find your partner or the scum if I'm wrong about you. Droog and Xay are most likely to be your partners if not partnered together.

And part of mafia is reacting to all of the things that happen in this thread. Reacting to information and the people here is where we find out who is scum and who is town.

You've played with me when I was scum. Remember how I played that game? Am I the same or different than I was in that game?

And do me a favor, if I'm wrong about you. Don't just point the finger back at me. Give me something useful to make sure we find the real scum, NM. Find the scum, and maybe I will point my guns at someone else. Because that's the main reason I've been voting you since I came in. Look at your ISO, NM. You're not scumhunting. You started off trolling, all the way up to triple digits of posts, you were more interesting in trolling everyone than finding scum. Trolling and voting for everyone saying "Oh, I'm not unvoting until I figure out otherwise". Fact is, you haven't made a single post longer than a few lines the entire game. You have not been helping us find scum, all while being on two mislynches. What side would commit those actions? Are you town, NM? Then show me. Don't tell me, show me. If you can show me that you are serious about finding scum, I'll take my vote off. But until then, my vote remains and I believe you to be scum.

[TheAdrienC]

were more "interested" in trolling everyone***

[TheAdrienC]

NM, you mean to tell me you are condemning me for reactionary play and are not admitting that YOU ARE USING REACTIONS for your reads? Hypocrisy much?

[TheAdrienC]

are now admitting***

[TheAdrienC]

Retaliation? Your whole vote against me IS RETALIATION!! I reached out to you and you just spat in my face. Thank you. Now I'm more confident in my vote.

[TheAdrienC]

notmafia votes are dumb

adrien votes are meh

oka votes should be here, don't know why they aren't

droog could be town now

i need to look at isos

Are you saying votes on me are meh (and votes on NM are dumb) of that the votes I have MADE are meh and the votes NM have made are dumb? If the former, that means you have a townread on NM and I would like to hear about it if you do. Also, your read on droog also flipped. What caused that?

[TheAdrienC]

I generally think you're town
but would be more confident if you posted more

I got burned on my replace in scum reads
Still think it's Adrien
Then Xay or nm

ghouhts?

So an NM/Xay scum team is plausible to you?

[TheAdrienC]

I generally think you're town
but would be more confident if you posted more

I got burned on my replace in scum reads
Still think it's Adrien

Then Xay or nm

ghouhts?

Bold part. I know I'm town. I'm trying to figure out who the two scums are.

[TheAdrienC]

Do you think Droog is town?

I'm split on him, still fairly suspicious of him though. But I'm focusing more on my scumreads than my "null-leaning scum" reads.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm leaning more Xay than you. His tunneling of Oka just isn't setting right with me.

[TheAdrienC]

Voting. Sorry im really tired right now

I explained why voting everyone is bad right here.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve, which is why I don't like NotMafia going along with it a whole lot less. You essentially put everyone at L-3 and even if both of you were town, imagine one other townsperson puts a random vote up, you have them at L-2 with what I assume is two scums running around (numbers and the sample Role PMs saying "your PARTNER is..." as clues for that) is a very dangerous thing to do. So shame on both of you, a little more bad for NM than Oka.

[TheAdrienC]

And Xay, that NM putting a second vote on EVERYONE and putting EVERYONE at L-3 during the RVS, is a huge factor in my vote as well as the hammer. He was a factor in both mislynches.

[TheAdrienC]

Two scum. You two opened up RVS with everyone at L-2. What happens when one person puts up an actual random vote? L-2. Two scum. Hypothetically, if you're town, you're handing the scum the power to mislynch. Unlimited votes is a good way to mask stuff like that and allow for mislynches. What side wants to do that? Scum. And you need to answer the questions I asked you, NM.

[TheAdrienC]

He hasn't been an active scumhunter, mostly trolled the entire game, his response to my vote was an OMGUS vote, he spat in my face when I reached out to him and ignored questions I presented him when I was giving him an opportunity to prove to me that he is town. Do you at least understand my vote on him, Xay or do I need to do a more detailed case on him?

[TheAdrienC]

Flailing? Melodrama? Are you thick?

[TheAdrienC]

And do you know what annoys me? People saying "I did this as town in that game so I must be town in this game". Like you just did below. No. Just no. People alter their meta all the time. More likely they can do it if they are aware of their meta.

What questions?

And you think scum are going to quickhammer someone and out themselves the instant someone reaches L-2? This is just a boogeyman. I don't care how many scum there are,

I will put someone at L-1 in RVS if it will help me pressure someone and get reads.

If you don't think that is an anti-town action, you really are thick

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

Wow, just what your case needed, a big pile of WIFOM.

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

Your vote on me was mostly because you didn't like my vote on you.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

In my opinion, if you were town, you would have been a bit more cordial to helping find scum other than have a hissy fit.

[TheAdrienC]

I think it's ISO analysis post time!! Give me a mo...

[TheAdrienC]

And do you know what annoys me? People saying "I did this as town in that game so I must be town in this game". Like you just did below. No. Just no. People alter their meta all the time. More likely they can do it if they are aware of their meta.

It's lucky I never said this then

Lies. Below is a specific part of your last quote inserted by me

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything.

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

Wow, just what your case needed, a big pile of WIFOM.

Are you going to respond to my case, or just continue to throw the buzzwords at it?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

Your vote on me was mostly because you didn't like my vote on you.

OMGUS is voting someone purely because they voted you. Voting someone because you think their push on you is scummy isn't OMGUS.

No, that's just the excuse everyone uses when they are committing OMGUS. Droog hates me as much as you do and he thought it was OMGUS too.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

In my opinion, if you were town, you would have been a bit more cordial to helping find scum other than have a hissy fit.

Please quote where I'm having a hissy fit. And I think you're scum, why should your reachout have affected that?

As for your hissy fit, revisit this.

So is this a policy lynch or a scum lynch? And that didn't actually address what I said.

You accuse me voting for my top scumread as a policy lynch.

After subbing in you've pushed on me for voting everyone and analysed little else, everything after that was reactionary, until my quickhammer. You've just pushed on the easiest things you can find

Whining I've been pushing for you since I came in and said "Oh, you're just doing it because I'm an easy target..."

[TheAdrienC]

Fine. I will next time.

[TheAdrienC]

And do you know what annoys me? People saying "I did this as town in that game so I must be town in this game". Like you just did below. No. Just no. People alter their meta all the time. More likely they can do it if they are aware of their meta.

It's lucky I never said this then

Lies. Below is a specific part of your last quote inserted by me

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything.

Nowhere there did I say I was town for it. I said you know this is behaviour I've exhibited as town and you're not considering it in your read.

You were strongly implying it by having it be a cornerstone of your defense.

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

Wow, just what your case needed, a big pile of WIFOM.

Are you going to respond to my case, or just continue to throw the buzzwords at it?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

"Would scum do this?" is the entire point of the game, not WIFOM. But by all means continue to throw insults and buzzwords rather than actually respond

Alright, allow me to physically define it since what I'm saying is going over your head. By saying you were doing something and that you wouldn't be doing that as scum could be you doing it as scum just to appear as town. That is what we call "wine in front of me" and I don't care if you think it's a buzzword, there's a reason it exists and it was part of everyone's case on me in the Toomai game. By saying "Hey, I did this! It makes more sense for me to do this as town than scum!" is something that I'm going to be very cautious to believe. As should anyone be if anyone uses such a tactic to try to convince anyone their town, including if I use it with you.

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

Your vote on me was mostly because you didn't like my vote on you.

OMGUS is voting someone purely because they voted you. Voting someone because you think their push on you is scummy isn't OMGUS.

No, that's just the excuse everyone uses when they are committing OMGUS. Droog hates me as much as you do and he thought it was OMGUS too.

If I'm making an excuse then respond to my case and shows that it's nonsense

Present an actual concrete case and I will respond to it.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

In my opinion, if you were town, you would have been a bit more cordial to helping find scum other than have a hissy fit.

Please quote where I'm having a hissy fit. And I think you're scum, why should your reachout have affected that?

As for your hissy fit, revisit this.

So is this a policy lynch or a scum lynch? And that didn't actually address what I said.

You accuse me voting for my top scumread as a policy lynch.

After subbing in you've pushed on me for voting everyone and analysed little else, everything after that was reactionary, until my quickhammer. You've just pushed on the easiest things you can find

Whining I've been pushing for you since I came in and said "Oh, you're just doing it because I'm an easy target..."

The first quote if I asked if you just want to PL me. It's a valid question, we're pre-LyLo and if you don't want someone in LyLo as policy you have to push it as a scum/utility lynch sometimes. The second quote is contingent on you actually responding to my case.

If it was a policy lynch, I wouldn't have laid out reasons why I thought you were scum. And what have I not responded to and what exactly is your case?

And both of those quotes came before your reachout post, you said I threw a hissy fit in response to it. And you still haven't answered the original question of why that post should have affected my scumread on you.

And are you really going to push "throwing a hissy fit" as a scumtell and "being cordial" as a towntell and make posts like this...

Spoiler:

If you don't think that is an anti-town action, you really are thick

I reached out to you and you just spat in my face. Thank you.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

Flailing? Melodrama? Are you thick?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

All of that was AFTER my reach out. Thanks for taking that out of context and all. Gloves were off after your response there. If you reached out to me, I would have been cordial.

[TheAdrienC]

It's 3 am here so I'm going to bed. If you respond again, don't think I'm ignoring you, I'm just sleeping and will get to it when I wake up.

[TheAdrienC]

We apparently reached the quotes within quotes limit so I'm going to reply to each section with line breaks.

I hate using meta as a way to clear someone because

people can manipulate their meta

. Meta has a place in catching scum, but it should NEVER be used to clear someone. I've got games where I was town and I looked similar to this game. You going to let me go if I link you to that? No, you shouldn't. Because

people can manipulate their meta!

And if that's your attack on me, then you obviously don't get that or my playstyle because just because someone looks similar to how they played as town in another game doesn't grant them automatic town-confirmation.

Quote it now or remove you vote. I've asked several times for your case on me. You've ignored every single request.

I considered that spitting in my face because when I was saying both of us were using reactions, you said that mine wasn't a reaction, it was in retaliation. You accused me of retaliating to you which effective was your response to me reaching out. I considered that you slapping my hand back when I was reaching out.

Which I love how it's retaliation WHEN YOUR CASE IS APPARENTLY THAT I'M IGNORING YOUR TOWN META AND VOTING FOR YOU.

And my reach out shouldn't have affected your read on me. It was a chance for you to improve my read on you. And if my read on you had changed, then we might not be in this mess and we might be finding something out about the other players instead of going at each other's throats.

[TheAdrienC]

effectively was your response*** I really need to start proofreading instead of just typing what comes out of my head.

[TheAdrienC]

Who's scum, Oka? You're voting NM so I'm guessing you believe he's one. Who's his partner? If he flips town, who is it out of the rest of us?

[TheAdrienC]

That's the main reason I can't see Oka as scum because I can't see scum melting down like that.

[TheAdrienC]

If the other two of you think it's, NM, you know you can lynch him and worry about me Day 2B

[TheAdrienC]

Currently it's Droog and NM on me, me and Oka on NM.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm not completely sold you're not scum. You have room to talk.

[TheAdrienC]

You have more than one vote. You can put your other on NM, and ProHawk can go ahead and get a flip from him. Will that answer any questions you have on me?

[TheAdrienC]

You may as well get my flip and move on to LyLo now. Adrien isn't going to respond properly, it's pointless us talking in circles, the time is better spent in 5p.

And thank you for ignoring me again and try to play it off as me ignoring you...lynch him please!

[TheAdrienC]

Possible.

[TheAdrienC]

That's funny. I was leaning towards XayNM

[TheAdrienC]

I've got a fun activity for everyone.

1. What do you think Xay's alignment is?
2. If he is town, who's scum?
3. If he's scum, who's his partner?

[TheAdrienC]

I can add a 1b. Why do you think he's that alignment? The fact that I'm feeling like you and NM are a scum team and NM thinks you and I are a scum team is definitely an eyebrow raiser.

[TheAdrienC]

My thing is that you are way too protective of NM, my top read, and make the most sense as his partner if he flips scum, like I think he will. His case on you, I'm not sure.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm gonna be scarce today. Birthday and what not.

[TheAdrienC]

Gee, just put me at L-1 when I'm out celebrating my birthday...that's not very nice...

[TheAdrienC]

Thank you, NM!

[TheAdrienC]

Damn, you guys post a lot while I'm at work.

[TheAdrienC]

Seriously though, we really should discuss stuff and make sure we are absolutely sure about who is scum before anyone posts votes. One wrong vote and it's game over.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm leaning towards Xaydeck and Droog, I'm more sure about droog than Xaydeck.

[TheAdrienC]

Who is that directed at?

[TheAdrienC]

I just said the opposite. I said I think you and Xaydeck are the scum, I'm slightly more sure that you are than he.

[TheAdrienC]

I was just saying the two people I think are scum here and now is droog and Xaydeck and I think droog is a safer lynch than Xaydeck.

As for the first lynch, very, very unlikely it was all town. I'd wager at least one scum was on it.

[TheAdrienC]

Do we have anyone that we are in agreement might be scum? I'm seeing my name, droog, and Xay pop up a lot.

[TheAdrienC]

Now explain to me how Droog is safer than Xay

His play in LyLo section of this day phrase seemed really scummy to me. Shooting from the hip, refusing to take the vote off after being asked a lot...all of that seemed scummy to me.

[TheAdrienC]

I said one scum, not both. Are you saying that maybe I should be leaning more Xaydeck than droog?

[TheAdrienC]

Although with Droog having left his vote on you for so long with no coordinated hammer almost guarantees one of you two as scum anyhow.

If this is true then I know one of the alignments for sure so I better do this then.

Vote: droog

[TheAdrienC]

Scum to town

Droog
Xaydeck
Oka
Prohawk
Adrien

Unvote: droog

[TheAdrienC]

Xaydeck...I have a fun activity for you. I want you to give a percentage for everyone left in the game on their odds of flipping scum. 100% being that there is no possible way on God's green Earth that they flip town and 0% for someone you feel is confirmed town (probably going to list yourself as that, which all of us would so no issues with you doing it).

[TheAdrienC]

To me, that honestly means he's confirmed scum.

[TheAdrienC]

I want to see exactly how sold you are that Oka is scum. 20% is 1/5. So there is a fifth of you thinking maybe you could be wrong? This isn't a time to be taking any risks.

[TheAdrienC]

Is Xay a 100% in your eyes, Oka?

[TheAdrienC]

My scum meta has been used against me as a townie. It's very possible.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm still deadset Droog is one.

[TheAdrienC]

Vote: Droog

I hope you guys make the right choice.

[TheAdrienC]

My top vote for his partner is Xaydeck.

[TheAdrienC]

Fine.

Unvote

[TheAdrienC]

We've had 24 hours of silence and that scares me.

[TheAdrienC]

That's your case? Wow, really?

[TheAdrienC]

I love when someone says "Are you scenario A or scenario B?" and someone says "ADRIEN ACCUSED ME OF SCENARIO B!! ADRIEN ACCUSED ME OF SCENARIO B!!!"

[TheAdrienC]

I mean, let's to totally only focus on the part of the sentence after the word "or".

[TheAdrienC]

I thought you had something better by now if you were trying to push me in LyLo. If that's your best argument in LyLo, then you really need to rethink your reads. Or play scum better. No one's falling for your fake case to lynch this townie and win the game.

Can I vote him now, ProHawk?

[TheAdrienC]

Because I only think Xaydeck is scum. I know droog is. And you're not voting Xay.

[TheAdrienC]

You agreed with me when it came to Oka. We both thought he was town. And you are basically saying there was no way me and NM were town vs. town? And because the way you worded it and voted for me came off as you accusing me as scum.

P-Edit: I have had a fairly good town read on you the entire game.

[TheAdrienC]

If we lynch Xaydeck and he flips scum, can we lynch droog next phase?

[TheAdrienC]

No way in hell droog lets me live another day so it will probably be up to you and Oka.

[TheAdrienC]

If all four of us is okay with it, we're gonna have to find the busser if we are right.

[TheAdrienC]

I'm more sure than droog than Xaydeck, but there are two scum and he's my top choice after droog.

[TheAdrienC]

His partner was me.

[TheAdrienC]

Droog, now I can publicly hug you and not pretend to hate you. You sir were a fantastic partner!!

[TheAdrienC]

Haha. Sorry if I pushed your case a bit too much, partner.

[TheAdrienC]

Meh, if he lynched you, I kill ProHawk, no way Xaydeck or Oka was going to point at me. LOL Sorry, Hawk...

[TheAdrienC]

Mod, you have permission to post our private thread.