Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

droog · Post Post #437 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:31 am

UNVOTE:

Hey all

Online all day, will reread, unless someone will save me the effort and wow me by catching scum.

@roseyliley please explain your vote to me

droog · Post Post #438 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 9:32 am

Or, explain to me why you don't have a vote

droog · Post Post #439 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:04 am

Ok you also random voted after RVS was over and I'm going to wait a long time for an explanation aren't i.

ProHawk, you're on. Explain why you think Hephaestus is scum

droog · Post Post #441 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:38 am

Yes.

Now dazzle me with your case on ProJawk

droog · Post Post #443 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:43 am

Thanks : )

What about Adrien? If you could only vote one who would you lynch

droog · Post Post #446 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 10:50 am

Oka, I don't see any posts where you argue with Lrohawk. In 295 and 298 you call him scum, but in 236 h was town. Can you point me to what changed your mind

droog · Post Post #460 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:12 pm

In post 284, OkaPoka wrote:as stated before my
town
reads are xay,rosey, and
pro

In post 295, OkaPoka wrote:
Scum
must lynch pool: Flubber and
Pro
hawk

Pro between 284 and 295

In post 285, ProHawk wrote:And who is scum?

In post 288, ProHawk wrote:VOTE: Oka

All I smell is wifom for when you flip scum.

In post 292, ProHawk wrote:Again?

oka's vote looks like the involvement of the Office of the Military Government, United States -- which makes me think he's town. I don't like his self vote request, but I think that's as a player and not a scumhunter

Also like Pro.

pedit: i was eyeing roseliley but now I dnot like the way oka singled her out, conflicted, still rereading

droog · Post Post #462 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:19 pm

wanted to quote the prohawk posts i liked, but it was more a general vibe than anything. No stellar cases but i like the way he's pushed players around. prohawk's probed for more reads than anyone else. right now a town read

pedit: why

droog · Post Post #464 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:31 pm

In post 216, kyndy101 wrote:Ok, finished reading.. And my scumreads now are:

Prohawk = #1
Flubber = #2
Oka = #4

NM = null, leaning scum now
ZZZX = null
Scrambles = extremely null

Ok, now I'm going to go through the ISOs of every user (even my nulls) and say what I feel is scummy and towny of each May spread out a day or two depending on how quickly I get finished with each person)

In post 217, kyndy101 wrote:Oh I forgot

VOTE: Prohawk

VOTE: Flubbernugget

THese posts strike me

really

poorly -- this is the page after xayzeck and flubber both started pushing prohawk. Kynda voted right when Prohawk was everyone's favorite target.

I don't see danger of quick lynch so even though kynda disappeared

VOTE: kynda

please provide a case on Prohawk that is better than Oka's

droog · Post Post #465 (isolation #9) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:32 pm

Oka I don't think we have

droog · Post Post #470 (isolation #10) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:44 pm

In post 466, OkaPoka wrote:(btw kyndy is adrien so you know why I was voting adrien)

bah

I still don't like the slot

In post 425, TheAdrienC wrote:
Mod slipped that the
scum faction only has pre-game and night talk
on 2. That favors us just a little bit and we know they can't communicate during the day.

small stuff: who else noticed this? Much more likely scum would notice missing daytalk than town.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,

this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

droog · Post Post #471 (isolation #11) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:42 pm

In post 456, roseylily wrote:
In post 438, droog wrote:Or, explain to me why you don't have a vote

Because I've been really busy with school stuff and don't want to vote someone with little justification.
However, I did have time to read through the thread today. Originally, I was thinking that Oka would be a good lynch even if he wasn't scum, since he's pretty much been voting people without any reasoning. Even after reading his (very short) explanation of his vote on ProHawk, I still don't want him near endgame.

VOTE: OkaPoka

EBWOP:
@Oka: Why did you say "you win"? And what made you change your mind?

I missed this.

You pinged my scumdar -- after Pros post about short posts being scummy your posts started looking longer. stupid first reaction. but would you explain why you voted rvs on xay after everyone moved on from rvs?

droog · Post Post #473 (isolation #12) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:09 pm

the first unvote was for scrambles' votes since i was coming in. the vote for kyndy goes to adrien, who I see is who scrambles was already voting. Not sure I like that.

to be super clear

VOTE: AdrienC

droog · Post Post #476 (isolation #13) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:22 pm

I wasnt voting on your case I was voting on mine

droog · Post Post #478 (isolation #14) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:38 pm

Yikes, I'm all turned around. thanks Prohawk

Going to keep my vote on Andrien while i look at hephaestus to see if i also want a vote there. The kyndy slot looked bad.

droog · Post Post #479 (isolation #15) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 3:55 pm

Not much on hephaestus

In post 376, hephaestus wrote:

VOTE: ProHawk

In post 377, hephaestus wrote:Also N_M, if Hawk does flip scum I'll be looking at you for facilitating this,

This looks really bad if you mean that it's scummy that NM is on a vanity wagon and not on the prohawk wagon so why are you voting for hawk and not nm?

I'm not sure why you're voting prohawk at all actually.

In post 399, hephaestus wrote:
In post 384, ProHawk wrote:VOTE: hephastus

Nice omgus

ftr im now interested in your case prohawk

droog · Post Post #489 (isolation #16) » Sun Sep 21, 2014 5:35 pm

375-377 are hephaestus' only posts big enough to matter

droog · Post Post #493 (isolation #17) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:54 am

In post 490, TheAdrienC wrote:
droog: You didn't like how I pointed out it was to our (the town's) advantage that the scum doesn't have day talk in a game where we have two day lynches, which means they can only communicate between every other lynch and have very little time working together. You don't think that pointing that out is to our advantage where the first lynch of a day could throw off plans of theirs without them knowing what to do next? If you don't think that is advantageous of us to know, why not?

woah woah woah how did you misconstrue me so badly

droog wrote:
In post 466, OkaPoka wrote:
small stuff: who else noticed this? Much more likely scum would notice missing daytalk than town.

I said I thought it was

more likely that scum would bring it up

at all not that it was scummy to bring it up

The first thing scum would do is rush to the qt and see no daytalk
Town would not have a qt

So yeah, come back here and explain your read on oka and not the 'small stuff'

droog · Post Post #502 (isolation #18) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:40 am

Adrien my excuse for posting nonsense is that I'm on a phone. What's yours
Why would you accuse me of shifting my case to Oka
Occam's Razor

You said I didn't like your post -- wtf does that mean if you aren't accusing me of calling you scummy

I was asking you for your Oka read because you made a very easy criticism of him and I wanted to hear your full opinion

Still want to hear it

droog · Post Post #503 (isolation #19) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 7:40 am

That's the third time my phone hasn't shown me newer posts before submit

droog · Post Post #504 (isolation #20) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 8:06 am

Not sure why I thought your vote was unclear heph will look again when at computer

In line at the dmv who's around to banter

droog · Post Post #510 (isolation #21) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:40 pm

Prohawk what do you think of my talk with adrien

droog · Post Post #512 (isolation #22) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:06 pm

Adrien misreping my point so badly i couldnt recognize it

droog · Post Post #514 (isolation #23) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:43 pm

I said it was more likely scum would x than town
He said it was pro-town to x

I pointed out the difference and he found semantics
Changed my original argument completely

Also hasn't addressed the main question I asked of him. He won't explain his Oka read which is scummy

droog · Post Post #517 (isolation #24) » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:16 pm

The full and complete WRONG of your last posts is so great I will respond in the morning

droog · Post Post #541 (isolation #25) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:53 pm

its not morning anymore but the more i think about it the more i dont like adrien's posts

In post 515, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 470, droog wrote:
In post 425, TheAdrienC wrote:
Mod slipped that the
scum faction only has pre-game and night talk
on 2. That favors us just a little bit and we know they can't communicate during the day.

small stuff: who else noticed this?
Much more likely scum would notice
missing daytalk than town.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,

this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

That right there was you calling me scum over it. Don't backtrack.

Here's the recap for those playing at home

Much more likely scum would notice

you calling me scum

Much more likely

you calling me

The basic thing i stated is true:

scum is much more likely to notice missing daytalk.

Adrien says it was pro-town to say it, which is not my point, and that he is confusing the two is much scummier than my original point

I'll play it against his first response:

[quote"In post 490, TheAdrienC"]droog: You didn't like how I pointed out it was to our (the town's) advantage that the scum doesn't have day talk in a game where we have two day lynches, which means they can only communicate between every other lynch and have very little time working together. You don't think that pointing that out is to our advantage throw off plans of theirs without them knowing what to do next? If you don't think that is advantageous of us to know, why not?
[/quote]

In post 470, droog wrote:small stuff: who else noticed this? Much more likely scum would notice missing daytalk than town.

You don't think that pointing that out is to our advantage

Much more likely scum would notice

Man this wasn't even what I wanted him to talk about. i wanted his stuff on oka. But that's really obvious manipulation.

Also, I never claimed Oka was my top scumread. I said Not_Mafia was because it was even worse for him to do it after Oka did it in the first place. Also, don't say I'm refusing to give you my read on Oka when I clearly stated I would do it after I come home from work, which I just got home from?

I never said anywhere that oka was his top scumread

What the hell? I never said you were shifting your case on Oka.

In post 494, TheAdrienC wrote:Did you mess up to quote tag or
are you trying to pin your words on Oka?

I also do not like the way you are twisting my votes to make me look scummy for reasons you are making up.

right back atcha

Find one post where I twist your vote. I just did a ctrl+f of my own posts and the only spot i mention your vote is to ask you for it

Prohawk, Xayzek this is why i think he's scummy

He just accused me of twisting his votes

before hed made any votes i could have possibly twisted

this is what all of his posts against me have been like

droog · Post Post #542 (isolation #26) » Tue Sep 23, 2014 1:55 pm

I want to hear more out of roseliley or hephaestus i think the other scum could be in there

I don't think it's Prohawk or Oka

Xay is a big null for me right now because I cant remember anything he's said
we've had separate conversations so

xay do you still think my case on adrien is crap

droog · Post Post #548 (isolation #27) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:50 am

In post 470, droog wrote:this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

this was the meat of my post he ignored to waffle on daytalk

droog · Post Post #550 (isolation #28) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:42 am

In post 494, TheAdrienC wrote:Also, why exactly are you asking for a read on Oka? I'll go over his posts and give you one, but why him specifically?

droog · Post Post #551 (isolation #29) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:46 am

i want to hear more from rose and hephaestus

droog · Post Post #552 (isolation #30) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:49 am

In post 222, roseylily wrote:In any case, these are my reads on everyone:
Prohawk: Scum. In the very beginning, he made some okay points, but shortly afterwards, started active lurking by posting mostly posts with little or no content. After Xay pointed it out, started writing more detailed posts and such.
Xay: Town. Made some pretty good points about everybody and explained his reasoning pretty well.
Oka: Null. At first, I read him as town due to his aggressiveness, but I'm not sure what this might signify anymore because apparently this is part of his meta no matter what. Very, very active.
Flubber: Null, leaning scum somewhat? His first post made me read him as inactive but maybe somewhat towny, but the quality of his content definitely deteriorated after that, especially with the Spartacus post (I don't even understand the reference?)
Kyndy: Null. Was fairly inactive, but this doesn't really tell me much since I've been sadly inactive as well.
NM: Leaning scum. Posted quite a bit in the beginning, but has become pretty inactive since the first one-two days. Plus, considering the amount of posts he's made, I wouldn't say that his posts have had a lot of content.
Scrambles: Null. Hasn't really posted a lot; content is kind of low considering the number of posts he has, but his posts don't seem particularly scummy, either.
ZZZX: Null, maybe slightly scummy because he seems to be lurking.

I'll try to do something more in-depth if I have more time. For now, my scumreads are:
1. Prohawk
2. Not_Mafia
3. Flubber

lets talk about this

this was half a game ago but its the last i have from rose
except her top scum read switching to oka apparently

rose which of your nulls have changed and why

droog · Post Post #556 (isolation #31) » Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:07 pm

In post 377, hephaestus wrote:Also N_M, if Hawk does flip scum I'll be looking at you for facilitating this, by joining the Flubber wagon and now going after Oka. Not voting you yet because I feel like the multiple votes system gives scum the chance to derail wagons more easily (as evidenced by what just happened)

In post 496, hephaestus wrote:Ok I will explain this one more time though N_M is pretty much spot on

Here's the thing: Oka should've gotten lynched rather than Flubber. If he'd flipped town, ProHawk would be the most likely next lynch. I am 90% sure either Oka or ProHawk is scum, reading up I felt like this was a very likely sequence of events to happen that would result in at least 1 lynched scum D1 --
but then
the Oka wagon was derailed by Hawk jumping off, right as people were pushing for a hammer - I may be wrong but I feel the Flubber wagon wasn't as serious as the Oka one at this point and not that likely to be pushed through at a different moment

In short my case is that ProHawk knew people would be looking at him in case of an Oka town flip so he decided to get his ass off the wagon last minute.

Do you see a pro/nm scum team

i refuse to back the prohawk wagon so what else you got

droog · Post Post #571 (isolation #32) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:58 am

i keep checking the activity overview to see if roseylily can be prodded and im continually disappointed

i'm going to

UNVOTE: hephaestus
VOTE: roseylily

please convince me you're not scum

my earlier questions were why you rv after rvs was over and which of your midgame nulls are clear now

droog · Post Post #573 (isolation #33) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:31 pm

i dont want more than two votes at once

droog · Post Post #575 (isolation #34) » Thu Sep 25, 2014 2:18 pm

There are two scum ergo two votes

I would use three in an extreme case

I am equally ok with a heph or rose lynch. This is where my vote does more good for now

Deadline is 2 days

droog · Post Post #577 (isolation #35) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:16 am

I don't want to leave rose alone but I definitely don't want to hand this to scum

Where is everyone? Looking for a wagon that isn't Oka

droog · Post Post #579 (isolation #36) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:30 am

yes. for rose to show up. which she hasnt.

bring me back to: where is everyone

droog · Post Post #580 (isolation #37) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 6:30 am

also how does my vote alone disband the wagon

droog · Post Post #594 (isolation #38) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:22 am

Heph in outcry you have one vote

Where would you place a secon?

(I forget how many votes you like to have in this setup.

droog · Post Post #596 (isolation #39) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 11:46 am

Autocorrect

*i notice you only have one vote

Where would you put #2

droog · Post Post #598 (isolation #40) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 12:38 pm

I feel like ive botched the details too much to switch back to heph

otoh every time i look ab kyndy the slot looks horrible to me
plus hephaestus has some opposite reads from me
i think pro and oka are both town

still torn.

droog · Post Post #603 (isolation #41) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:04 pm

i still dont think pro is scum (even if his last posts rubbed me the wrong way)
so i dont see a nm/pro scumteam

nm is a big null for me
if i voted for him itd be to clear up a mystery flip

so, heph, please explain why voting nm is a better option than going back on the kyndy slot

droog · Post Post #605 (isolation #42) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:39 pm

whats your point oka?

droog · Post Post #607 (isolation #43) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 2:57 pm

whats your point prohawk?

droog · Post Post #609 (isolation #44) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 3:47 pm

droog · Post Post #611 (isolation #45) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:20 pm

ok. i believe you. i am willing to buy real estate from you. please wait while i send you a check so you can manage your nigerian provinces

droog · Post Post #612 (isolation #46) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:21 pm

seriously why should i believe you. something less airy than a boar fart please

droog · Post Post #614 (isolation #47) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:27 pm

i am genuinely asking for you to make a case for nm
for all my confusion earlier right now i dont have any scum reads on you *now*

except for your last 2 posts
which screamed 'i have no defense and nothing to offer to the town'

please explicate on nm

droog · Post Post #616 (isolation #48) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:50 pm

"please explain your case on nm"
"you can figure it out for yourself"

droog · Post Post #617 (isolation #49) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:51 pm

heph

everything youve said today is insubstantial but maintains the appearance of you being involved

droog · Post Post #618 (isolation #50) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:52 pm

ok the last half-dozen of nm's posts are pretty airy

please explain why yours are less airy
and why being airy means being scum

droog · Post Post #621 (isolation #51) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:10 pm

would town play against their win condition by not playing?

droog · Post Post #622 (isolation #52) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:11 pm

UNVOTE: roseliley
VOTE: hephaestus

droog · Post Post #638 (isolation #53) » Fri Sep 26, 2014 5:57 pm

hm

not really a quickhammer in the proper sense
still don't like it

ill probably get a disappointing answer
nm why did you hammer without stating intent first

droog · Post Post #640 (isolation #54) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 1:39 am

Looked more like you wouldn't answer my questions

droog · Post Post #642 (isolation #55) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:04 am

Next time say "I'll answer in the morning"

droog · Post Post #643 (isolation #56) » Sat Sep 27, 2014 2:04 am

Or just say you don't want to answer

Which is not great but better than disappearing

droog · Post Post #663 (isolation #57) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:46 pm

ok
i was sure scum was hiding somewhere in rose and heph
if not there then it means scum is in another active lurker
or my thoughts were completely wrong

give me some time to reread

droog · Post Post #664 (isolation #58) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:53 pm

In post 649, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: TheAdrienC

I actually found Oka's reaction to my hammer towny, droog's too but less so, although I'm townreading him anyway. Adrien's push on me however has been really weak and robotic "voting everyone is bad and quickhammering is bad, bad things mean scum" when he knows it's not that simple firsthand.

really dont like the office of military government, united states

still dont like adrien either. hm.
bus?

droog · Post Post #665 (isolation #59) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:54 pm

In post 652, Not_Mafia wrote:Continue to ignore what I've said about you knowing quickhammers can come from town and dismiss it as omgus

dont assert that your quickhammer could be town
explain why your quickhammer is town

why did you do it?

droog · Post Post #667 (isolation #60) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:56 pm

In post 638, droog wrote:
ill probably get a disappointing answer
nm why did you hammer without stating intent first

droog · Post Post #668 (isolation #61) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:57 pm

pedit never works for me anymore

office of military government and united states.
o.m.g.u.s.

ah, reads, missed your xay suspect

droog · Post Post #669 (isolation #62) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:57 pm

why xay by poe?

droog · Post Post #670 (isolation #63) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 12:58 pm

i think i still feel confident in an oka town read

droog · Post Post #672 (isolation #64) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:07 pm

and you not answering my question yesterday was part of your gambit
?

droog · Post Post #673 (isolation #65) » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:08 pm

prohawk can stay town
he's been a bit touchy. still.

think his argument with oka is town v town

droog · Post Post #683 (isolation #66) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:24 am

adrien pushing nm and xay
nm pushing adrien

oka and prohawk pushed each other before

logically someone somewhere is bussing

droog · Post Post #684 (isolation #67) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:25 am

id bet mafia wouldnt bus on day 1
leaning me more toward oka and pro as town

would like it if prohawk posted more though

droog · Post Post #685 (isolation #68) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 11:27 am

In post 669, droog wrote:why xay by poe?

@nm

droog · Post Post #687 (isolation #69) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 12:15 pm

was that at me or oka

droog · Post Post #689 (isolation #70) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:36 pm

I generally think you're town
but would be more confident if you posted more

I got burned on my replace in scum reads
Still think it's Adrien
Then Xay or nm

ghouhts?

droog · Post Post #693 (isolation #71) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:48 pm

Maybe Adrien??

Pedit: what he said

droog · Post Post #694 (isolation #72) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:49 pm

ProHawk I'm going to do a rerea
If you come up with something brilliant
Please shate

droog · Post Post #699 (isolation #73) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:26 pm

that was plural
what is your other top scum read

droog · Post Post #705 (isolation #74) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:49 pm

In post 701, Xayzeck wrote:droog was scum for bad case

?LL??????

please explain i do not remember this

droog · Post Post #706 (isolation #75) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:52 pm

In post 702, Xayzeck wrote:As scum, that would make no sense at all, would it.

I mean, hold a tunnel and if it somehow gets through then that townflip's gonna mess me up, right?

idr prohawk accusing your action of being scummy
i interpreted prohawk accusing scum motive

which... your argument is useless for
please explain why your actions are town motivated and not scum motivated

droog · Post Post #707 (isolation #76) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 4:58 pm

In post 32, OkaPoka wrote:Here is the problem I have.

Scum tends to townhunt more than scumhunt.

Town tends to scumhunt rather than townhunt.

You are townhunting like scum.

not sure what this means when scum doesnt have anything to hunt for in this setup

droog · Post Post #710 (isolation #77) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:03 pm

In post 82, ProHawk wrote:Are scum in the active group or the lurking group?

In post 84, OkaPoka wrote:i don't lurkers.

waiting for xay to post.

In post 85, Not_Mafia wrote:You don't what lurkers?

In post 86, OkaPoka wrote:oops.

I don't
like
lurkers

In post 87, Not_Mafia wrote:You didn't answer his question

i dont like nm here
this is when he was voting oka
(he voted everyone and unvoted as he got townreads
which itself i dont like)

instead of saying 'you didnt answer prohawks question' first
he says 'you dont what lurkers'
which draws the exchange out and makes oka look a lot scummier

droog · Post Post #712 (isolation #78) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:08 pm

xay looks more town for that case

pedit to what did i not reply

droog · Post Post #715 (isolation #79) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:12 pm

@713: not sure thats something i do believe, but its something i could believe
will think abotu ti as i finish rereading (not all tonight)

droog · Post Post #716 (isolation #80) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:14 pm

@714:

third question first (the crux of my case)
i told him that noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum
he then went on about how it was pro-town

all scum would notice no daytalk
not every townie would
this is always true and instead of agreeing he argued against something i never said

droog · Post Post #717 (isolation #81) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:16 pm

In post 470, droog wrote:Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,

this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

in the same poist i said scum notice no daytalk

he then ignored this question and focused on the daytalk thing

droog · Post Post #718 (isolation #82) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:16 pm

the rest is covered in my case

droog · Post Post #720 (isolation #83) » Tue Sep 30, 2014 5:40 pm

droog · Post Post #742 (isolation #84) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:34 am

In post 719, OkaPoka wrote:What is so bad about everyone?

I don't like nm voting everyone
Because it's an easy way to look more pro-town

Inviting town reads has as much use as voting scum reads
But it looks better

Didn't you say something similar

droog · Post Post #743 (isolation #85) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 12:35 am

I don't like non or Adrein in those walls

What are the odds they're both scum?

droog · Post Post #764 (isolation #86) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:23 pm

something about the thread
gives me the impression that its filled with town voices right now

i.e. when adrien and nm arent talking

could it really be both of them?
itd be a clever bus

droog · Post Post #765 (isolation #87) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:23 pm

still dont like adrien on a reread

droog · Post Post #766 (isolation #88) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:25 pm

In post 113, Not_Mafia wrote:It's not every game I get unlimited votes, I'm voting you because I can. Step off and let me troll.

That post looks flaily to me. But after Cabd's game I can't really put any stock in any tonal read on you. So you're null.

Oka and Scrambles are my serious votes

aside
here hes voting me and my town read

droog · Post Post #767 (isolation #89) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:27 pm

honestly theres a lot of fluff on the nm iso
looking through it i cant find anything worth commenting on

unless i want to drag up nm wondering why xay is posting in other games but not this one

droog · Post Post #768 (isolation #90) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:28 pm

adrien: scum
nm: nothing says hes town
xay: null
pro: town
oka: town

VOTE: Adrien

droog · Post Post #771 (isolation #91) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:41 pm

which votes?

droog · Post Post #773 (isolation #92) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:46 pm

prohawk is referring to vca
im not sure which he means

except the flubber wagon
which again is another reason to be ok with adrien/nm

droog · Post Post #774 (isolation #93) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:46 pm

why am i explaining to scum

droog · Post Post #777 (isolation #94) » Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:59 pm

shit i forgot about multiple votes entirely

VOTE: vote: not mafia

droog · Post Post #789 (isolation #95) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:43 am

In post 782, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 777, droog wrote:shit i forgot about multiple votes entirely

VOTE: vote: not mafia

I'd like to avoid L-1 before lylo, and that's surprising from you given you've got quite the number of null reads.

???

we cant avoid l-1 if we're going to lynch

ive been pretty clear in saying it's you/adrien/nm

dont make me regret my votes by looking scummy

droog · Post Post #790 (isolation #96) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:44 am

In post 786, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 777, droog wrote:shit i forgot about multiple votes entirely

VOTE: vote: not mafia

wait what the fuck

you're voting both nm and adrien? are you serious?

droog · Post Post #791 (isolation #97) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 3:46 am

ok its this

one of adrien/nm is definitely mafia
adrien is my top scumread so i voted him
prohawk said he wouldnt lynch adrien rn
nm is my 2nd top scumread so i voted him

would everyone feel better if i wasnt voting my scumread and deferred completely to prohawk?

droog · Post Post #795 (isolation #98) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 2:47 pm

thats what im leaning toward prohawk
im willing to hear an argument on xay or nm

im pretty confident in my adrien and oka reads though

droog · Post Post #797 (isolation #99) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:02 pm

oka lets dance
would you be willing to switch to adrien?

droog · Post Post #799 (isolation #100) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:04 pm

why?
is it just the hammer or something else?

droog · Post Post #802 (isolation #101) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:09 pm

but you're more convinced it's nm than xay?
please explain why you're voting for nm then
i understand my reasons but not yours

droog · Post Post #804 (isolation #102) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:12 pm

you dont buy nm's gambit explanation?

droog · Post Post #805 (isolation #103) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:12 pm

also your scumteams are nm/xay and...?

droog · Post Post #807 (isolation #104) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:23 pm

In post 804, droog wrote:you dont buy nm's gambit explanation?

droog · Post Post #809 (isolation #105) » Thu Oct 02, 2014 4:35 pm

In post 671, Not_Mafia wrote:Pedit: Oka I've stated why, arguing with ProHawk yesterday over Heph it felt towny, plus I've had a cocky town vibe on him for a while. You in general I've liked your pushes. Xay I had minor town at first but that read has since waned.

In post 623, Not_Mafia wrote:VOTE: Hephaestus

Ending the day, plus his recent posts read as scum facetiousness

And I wanted to see how people would react, as I thought I'd get more utility out of that than anything that would have came out of the rest of the day

droog · Post Post #814 (isolation #106) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 3:40 am

In post 813, Xayzeck wrote:That hammer was a deadline hammer you know? I don't know why you're insisting on blowing it up to be a scum hammer when there's townmotivation in trying to get a lynch.

this is probably the first explanation of that hammer i could accept
xay what do you think of prohawk now?

droog · Post Post #821 (isolation #107) » Fri Oct 03, 2014 1:21 pm

In post 818, ProHawk wrote:
In post 816, OkaPoka wrote:Not confident in Xay scum if Notmafia flips town by PoE and how you defended NM a few times.

So no one who lynched town on the first lynch of D1 was scum?

prohawk, i dont want to rush you
since we have enough time to decide to all vacation in new zealand
and still end things on time

but itd be nice to hear what you do think
and not what you disagree withh

youre the one with hammer here,

droog · Post Post #832 (isolation #108) » Sat Oct 04, 2014 9:16 am

xay has no alignment yet
xay receives his alignment when we lynch adrien and/or not mafia

droog · Post Post #844 (isolation #109) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:53 pm

droog · Post Post #845 (isolation #110) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:29 pm

principle's office
now

droog · Post Post #847 (isolation #111) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:01 pm

i was going to correct your spelling and realized i did it wrong too : |

droog · Post Post #848 (isolation #112) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:02 pm

i dont even care you suspect me
but we dont we pretty much need a flip
have time

droog · Post Post #849 (isolation #113) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:06 pm

In post 821, droog wrote:
In post 818, ProHawk wrote:
In post 816, OkaPoka wrote:Not confident in Xay scum if Notmafia flips town by PoE and how you defended NM a few times.

So no one who lynched town on the first lynch of D1 was scum?

prohawk, i dont want to rush you
since we have enough time to decide to all vacation in new zealand
and still end things on time

but itd be nice to hear what you do think
and not what you disagree withh

youre the one with hammer here,

pretty much this
please explain

droog · Post Post #853 (isolation #114) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:36 pm

In post 848, droog wrote:i dont even care you suspect me
but we dont we pretty much need a flip
have time

droog · Post Post #854 (isolation #115) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:38 pm

In post 851, ProHawk wrote:Explain what you are going to do with a flip.

this isnt mylo
the only way we lose today is if we fail to lynch scum twice in a row

or
we mislynch once and go to night

droog · Post Post #855 (isolation #116) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:38 pm

basically the only way to lose is by doing exactly what you're doing

droog · Post Post #856 (isolation #117) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:40 pm

xay please tell me you see adrien as scum

droog · Post Post #858 (isolation #118) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:47 pm

In post 663, droog wrote:ok
i was sure scum was hiding somewhere in rose and heph
if not there then it means scum is in another active lurker
or my thoughts were completely wrong

give me some time to reread

droog · Post Post #859 (isolation #119) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:48 pm

im really not sure what youre after

droog · Post Post #860 (isolation #120) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:50 pm

one of adrien or nm is scum
my money's on adrien or both

you think voting for both of them is /bad/ town play???

droog · Post Post #863 (isolation #121) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:53 pm

In post 515, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 470, droog wrote:
In post 425, TheAdrienC wrote:
Mod slipped that the
scum faction only has pre-game and night talk
on 2. That favors us just a little bit and we know they can't communicate during the day.

small stuff: who else noticed this?
Much more likely scum would notice
missing daytalk than town.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,

this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

That right there was you calling me scum over it. Don't backtrack.

Also, I never claimed Oka was my top scumread. I said Not_Mafia was because it was even worse for him to do it after Oka did it in the first place. Also, don't say I'm refusing to give you my read on Oka when I clearly stated I would do it after I come home from work, which I just got home from?

In post 502, droog wrote:Adrien my excuse for posting nonsense is that I'm on a phone. What's yours

Why would you accuse me of shifting my case to Oka

Occam's Razor

You said I didn't like your post -- wtf does that mean if you aren't accusing me of calling you scummy

I was asking you for your Oka read because you made a very easy criticism of him and I wanted to hear your full opinion

Still want to hear it

What the hell? I never said you were shifting your case on Oka. While you've bugged me about my read on him, you've kept your guns pointing at me. Find a post where I said you were shifting your case onto Oka. Your posts are not making one lick of sense. I also do not like the way you are twisting my votes to make me look scummy for reasons you are making up.

Now that I'm home from work and have replied to your idiot ramblings, I'll go over Oka's posts and see if I can give you detailed read. Right now, I'm kinda null on him as a whole.

By the way,
Vote: Droog
for twisting crap. Kinda similar to Lynch All Liars at this point.

this entire post was adrien pretending that my arguments were different arguments
then calling me the liar

droog · Post Post #864 (isolation #122) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:54 pm

In post 862, ProHawk wrote:Y
ou think the scum team is N_M and Adrien?

P-EDIT: Unless you think I am scum, there is not resistance to either lynch. Like they are counter to eachother, so it doesn't make any sense that they could BOTH be scum.

have i not made that clear?????
ive been pretty clear in saying that one of them is scum and that its possible both are

if this is why you suspect me im

why doesnt it make sense they could both be scum
do you see the way they started gunning for each other when day started

droog · Post Post #865 (isolation #123) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 3:57 pm

Spoiler:

look over that exchange from day 2 start
adrien is blatantly lying about nm's arguments

and nm just passively takes it

droog · Post Post #868 (isolation #124) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:25 pm

In post 866, ProHawk wrote:For starters, they want each-other dead. There is no resistance. Doesn't make sense to bus when scum are just about there to win.

it makes even less sense if you think they're both town
why would adrien lie as town?
why would nm quickhammer?

i can see nm's gambit explanation
kind of

them both being scum makes more sense than them both being town though
nm gets the lynch yesterday and adrien gets credit for bussing today

droog · Post Post #869 (isolation #125) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:25 pm

mind i am also fine with a world where adrien is the only scum out of adrien/nm

droog · Post Post #870 (isolation #126) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:30 pm

please dont make me go over all this again ffs

droog · Post Post #873 (isolation #127) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:24 pm

In post 494, TheAdrienC wrote:Did you mess up to quote tag or are you trying to pin your words on Oka?

In post 515, TheAdrienC wrote:In post 502, droog wrote:
Adrien my excuse for posting nonsense is that I'm on a phone. What's yours
Why would you accuse me of shifting my case to Oka

What the hell? I never said you were shifting your case on Oka. [/quote]

this is all stuff you thought was semantics before

droog · Post Post #874 (isolation #128) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:27 pm

In post 363, Rob14 wrote:
Vote Count #1.12 (FIRST LYNCH):

Flubbernugget:
Xayzeck, OkaPoka, hephaestus, Not_Mafia, roseylily (5)

OkaPoka:
Not_Mafia, hephaestus, Xayzeck, Flubbernugget (4)

ZZZX:
scrambles, Flubbernugget, ProHawk (3)

Not_Mafia:
ZZZX, hephaestus, roseylily (3)

hephaestus:
Flubbernugget, ProHawk (2)

ProHawk:
hephaestus, OkaPoka (2)

Not Voting:
None.

With 9 people alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

V/LA:
None.

Deadline:
(expired on 2014-09-28 10:15:00)

droog · Post Post #875 (isolation #129) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:29 pm

In post 871, ProHawk wrote:Then no scum lynched Flubber?

if adrien is scum and nm isnt scum
then it's you/oka/xay

(if you're scum please dual hammer so i can shut up explaining)
ive been pretty clear that oka is a town read

so

where do you get the idea i think no scum lynched flubber?

droog · Post Post #876 (isolation #130) » Sun Oct 05, 2014 5:39 pm

im too tired for this shit

natter me in the morning prohawk

droog · Post Post #883 (isolation #131) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:07 am

wow i have almost no memory of what i said last night

was gonna say that adrien was the better first choice but actually
adrien flipping scum doesnt clear up between nm/xay
nm flipping scum would imply ive been wrong and its xay over adrien
nm flipping town implies xay/adrien

im ok with this

droog · Post Post #885 (isolation #132) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:09 am

nm/adrien was the correct choice today

droog · Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:55 am

droog · Post Post #893 (isolation #134) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:20 pm

VOTE: adrieb

droog · Post Post #897 (isolation #135) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:45 pm

Zeph?

Pro you're going to have to give me a solid answer why it isn't adrieb
If non had flipped scum, maybe not adrieb

But after that?

droog · Post Post #898 (isolation #136) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:45 pm

I have been consistent on adrieb all day dude

droog · Post Post #899 (isolation #137) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:46 pm

*adrien

droog · Post Post #900 (isolation #138) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:48 pm

Uggggffhhhhhh don't make me go over this all over again
All over again

droog · Post Post #902 (isolation #139) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:51 pm

I've said my piece

droog · Post Post #906 (isolation #140) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:58 pm

So instead of suspecting both you suspect none????

droog · Post Post #912 (isolation #141) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:50 pm

In post 907, ProHawk wrote:We have a 50/50 shot of lynching scum from Oka/Xayzeck. Unless scum managed a D1 lynch with zero scum on the wagon.

please wow me with your case on oka

but if my adrien/nm connection is a fallacy than so is linking oka/xay

so please explain

droog · Post Post #913 (isolation #142) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:52 pm

youre going to have a mighty hard time convincing me its oka

the way he threatened to self-hammer on day 1 is not something scum would have done

droog · Post Post #915 (isolation #143) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 3:59 pm

they started pushing each other day start
did you forget?

adrien voted nm for the quickhammer
and nm omgus'd

it doesnt take a city planner to see that that was not town v town

droog · Post Post #918 (isolation #144) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:05 pm

Spoiler:

i was going to comb through the above until i realized what set my scumdar off

they get to arguing instantly
its not like a townie trying to suss something out
they get to fighting immediately
without elaboration

droog · Post Post #919 (isolation #145) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:06 pm

i hate spoilers

prohawk if youre not going to listen to my
repeated several times now
case on adrien

at least nm agrees with me

droog · Post Post #920 (isolation #146) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:07 pm

honestly prohawk

if you're not scum im going to WRING your neck first

droog · Post Post #923 (isolation #147) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:27 pm

no????

why would scum put me through this debate
but by god if youre scum stringing me along im going to break a server

droog · Post Post #925 (isolation #148) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:32 pm

In post 515, TheAdrienC wrote:
In post 470, droog wrote:
In post 425, TheAdrienC wrote:
Mod slipped that the
scum faction only has pre-game and night talk
on 2. That favors us just a little bit and we know they can't communicate during the day.

small stuff: who else noticed this?
Much more likely scum would notice
missing daytalk than town.

Not a fan on the "vote everyone" strategy by Oka as with only a five person needed for an opening lynch and makes a mislynch very easy for the scum to achieve,

this is a really watery, easy thing to condemn. I don't like it.

Adrien, please explain your oka read, and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread

That right there was you calling me scum over it. Don't backtrack.

this all started right here

adrien noticed that scum didnt have daytalk
i noted that scum were more likely to notice that then town
he then went off on how it was a pro-town thing to point out to everyone

which is never what id been arguing about
thats minor enough but he deliberately stonewalled my read request on oka
to focus on this daytalk jabber
when id explicitly called this small stuff

then in the above he says that im calling him scum for pointing out daytalk
which is a lie

droog · Post Post #926 (isolation #149) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:32 pm

In post 924, OkaPoka wrote:Have you considered Adrien/Xay?

They have like no interaction IIRC.

this is the way im leaning
it makes a hell of a lot more sense than you or prohawk being scum

droog · Post Post #931 (isolation #150) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:38 pm

i have been hammering on adrien all game
he is a liar and needed to get lynched /last/ phase
he was my preferred lynch /last/ phase

and /this/ phase

droog · Post Post #932 (isolation #151) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:38 pm

In post 927, OkaPoka wrote:No I like Xay/droog more.

Anyways how is it like to have your partner not help you droog?

i dont fucking care if yo uthink im scum
please explain how you possibly see adrien as town

droog · Post Post #937 (isolation #152) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:48 pm

In post 933, ProHawk wrote:If I were to say... Scum are much more likely to vote first in MYLO, am I implying you are scum or town Droog?

P-EDIT: Please read my past-post on priorities. If you want someone lynched, you don't support their counter-wagon as well.

please read my past response
responses

droog · Post Post #938 (isolation #153) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:50 pm

In post 934, OkaPoka wrote:Mainly because I lie and make shit up as town quite often. Well can we compromise on a Xay lynch since we all like it?
Then if Xay flips scum we can have 1v1 droog vs adrien.

i am going to cry if we dont lynch adrien
i dont care if xay is his logical scumpartner
adrien has gotta go

droog · Post Post #940 (isolation #154) » Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:58 pm

im going to bed but this conversation isnt over

droog · Post Post #951 (isolation #155) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:10 am

So you think Oka or ProHawk could be scum?
Please exolain

droog · Post Post #953 (isolation #156) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:21 am

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:07 am

In post 956, ProHawk wrote:
In post 942, ProHawk wrote:D1 mislynch on Flubber. All town? Yes or No.

Droog needs to answer this.

Everyone else needs to answer this.

sorry forgot this while yelling at everyone

not sure why you're asking me though
the only way no one was on flubber is if scumteam is adrien and prohawk

wait
this is a possibility i hadnt considered

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:12 am

prohawk being scum with adrien is the only way adrien would be scum
and not have dual hammered yesterday

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:42 am

Something doesn't add up
If it's not ProHawk then
Why didn't Oka or Xay dual hammer?

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:46 am

Fuck me there is no such thing as dual hammer

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 10:47 am

VOTE: unvote

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:16 pm

In post 964, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 963, droog wrote:VOTE: unvote

why did you even vote in the first place.

Also Xay gimme a minute to look through some stuff

i was working on the assumption that no dual hammer yesterday meant
one of adrien/xay had to be scum
or scum would have closed

which was wrong.

droog · Tue Oct 07, 2014 12:17 pm

still think adrien was likely scum for the reasons ive been saying all along

not 100% like i thought though. : |

droog · Post Post #976 (isolation #164) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:51 pm

bah

VOTE: unvote: adrien

droog · Post Post #977 (isolation #165) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:51 pm

wouldnt both posters have needed to be online for a quickhammer?

droog · Post Post #978 (isolation #166) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 3:53 pm

i feel like i just read a slip somewhere but
ive been staring at code for about five hours now

oka do you see anything off or is it my imagination

droog · Post Post #980 (isolation #167) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:07 pm

one out of two aint bad

droog · Post Post #985 (isolation #168) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:19 pm

In post 983, ProHawk wrote:mislynch and win

?

droog · Post Post #987 (isolation #169) » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:48 pm

please explain why

and why "mislynch and win" isnt a scumslip

im starting to get really paranoid after that dual hammer fiasco

droog · Wed Oct 08, 2014 12:24 am

In post 976, droog wrote:bah

VOTE: unvote: adrien

droog · Post Post #997 (isolation #171) » Wed Oct 08, 2014 3:54 am

whoops sorry wasnt being testy rob

misread your votecount as still having my vote when i had unvoted by name

droog · Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:58 pm

im back : )

droog · Fri Oct 10, 2014 2:02 pm

In post 998, OkaPoka wrote:Can I have a readlist from everybody?

scum > adrien > xay > pro > oka > town

droog · Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:35 pm

In post 1018, ProHawk wrote:Well, you two aren't convincing me on who is scum out of Droog and Adrien, soooo

do you want me to try the case a third time

droog · Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:40 pm

what about his kerfuffle with nm

droog · Fri Oct 10, 2014 3:53 pm

In post 1023, Xayzeck wrote:I bring up meta (suggests he is scum)

He denies it (also suggests he is scum)

"yes im definitely acting very scummy"
that would be more town?

droog · Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:20 am

In post 1037, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1032, TheAdrienC wrote:I'm still deadset Droog is one.

Why aren't you voting droog?

Why isn't droog voting you?

You've voted each other, nobody has quickhammered. 1 scum is between you and droog, right? I think this is established already.

So why aren't you two crossing?

hm?

i was and then i realized that prohawk not double hammering did not celar him
because there is no double hammering

so i got paranoid because i didnt have the scumteam like i thought
and then i got sucked into work for a week

droog · Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:21 am

In post 1034, Xayzeck wrote:though I am leaning toward droog given how his case isn't mega convincing

please point me to the adrien case you think is better

droog · Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:04 am

In post 1042, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1039, droog wrote:hm?

i was and then i realized that prohawk not double hammering did not celar him
because there is no double hammering

so i got paranoid because i didnt have the scumteam like i thought
and then i got sucked into work for a week

Point being, you voted adrien, and nobody quickhammered.

This should confirm adrien as scum, yes?

yes. no problem here.
i am interested if you are scum though

if you are the only scum from my perspective
and you are the only scum from adrien's perspective
then you are confirmed scum

this is what im more interested in sussing out
((unless adrien's partner is prohawk))

droog · Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:04 am

In post 1043, Xayzeck wrote:@Hawk: I lean droog mainly for his case on adrien. I'm not saying it's a bad case and that it has invalid points, I will say it is a weak case, and not enough to warrant a vote in lylo. That's why I think droog could be scum. I picked up on his case, and it took him a while to respond to it. I've noticed that I haven't replied though, so I'll have to continue with this before I can solidly tell you I prefer droog. I'm assuming you've seen his case, and my response, if not I can link them for you, but basically it outlines the problems I have with his adrien scumread, how it's a fairly weak read, and the fact he was quick to throw out a vote bothers me.

In post 716, droog wrote:@714:

third question first (the crux of my case)
i told him that noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum
he then went on about how it was pro-town

all scum would notice no daytalk
not every townie would
this is always true and instead of agreeing he argued against something i never said

You told him noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum, that is correct. He goes on to talk about how it's protown. Ok, cool. All scum would notice, not all town would, correct. With all of this, you are implying that noticing daytalk is scum indicative, since scum are more likely to have done so. Unless you said that it's more likely that scum brought it up, but that it isn't indicative of scum? Because that makes absolutely no sense.

Therefore he is arguing that revealing daytalk is town indicative, in order to defend himself. This is the bulk of your case, could you maybe back this up more? Because I don't see what exactly why saying "noticing the daytalk is protown" indicates so strongly he is scum.

What about ignoring your Oka-question strongly indicates scum? I believe the biggest issue you have with this is that he defends himself be saying Oka is not his top scumread. I'd encourage you to go back and look at the question you asked him "share your read on Oka and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread" (something like that) and tell me that there's no way, absolutely 100% no way, that he could have interpreted that as "tell me your read on Oka and dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread(which would refer to Oka)". This is in no means scum, and it's not a particularly strong point to have in your case.

i dont remember a past response so ill take this one

droog · Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:11 am

In post 1043, Xayzeck wrote:
You told him noticing daytalk was more likely if he was scum, that is correct. He goes on to talk about how it's protown.
Ok, cool. All scum would notice, not all town would, correct. With all of this, you are implying that noticing daytalk is scum indicative, since scum are more likely to have done so. Unless you said that it's more likely that scum brought it up, but that it isn't indicative of scum? Because that makes absolutely no sense.

Therefore he is arguing that revealing daytalk is town indicative, in order to defend himself. This is the bulk of your case, could you maybe back this up more? Because I don't see what exactly why saying "noticing the daytalk is protown" indicates so strongly he is scum.

the bold became the backbone of my case
when i pointed out that he was changing the debate
he said he wasnt, and accused me of lying

In post 515, TheAdrienC wrote:That right there was you calling me scum over it. Don't backtrack.

my issue with adrien is not that he thinks his actions are protown
of course he does

"All scum would notice [missing daytalk], not all town would, correct."

this is a factually true thing and adrien could not acknowledge it
he then twists the discussion to talk about how what he did is really protown
in a way manufactured to loudly say 'look at how protown i am!"

mind
he did this when i was asking for his read on oka
which was horribly unclear

he blew it up into an argument
he spun the situation so he could talk about how protown he was
and he started the chain that let him call me a liar

this is why hes scum

droog · Mon Oct 13, 2014 7:14 am

In post 1047, droog wrote:then you are confirmed scum

mind, whole towns perspective, not mine
basically if one scum implies the other then we win automatically with two lynches tomorrow

droog · Mon Oct 13, 2014 9:46 am

im 70% xayzeck
25% prohawk
^% oka

still want to give xayzeck some time to address me
his reaction to my adrien case
(presented for the how many time?)
interests me greatly

droog · Mon Oct 13, 2014 1:47 pm

have you ever played on epicmafia? its like that

if adrien's only possible scumpartner is you, then i know you're scum
if my only possible scumpartner is you, then adrien knows you're scum

if both those things are true than everyone knows you're scum

idgaf about proving that youre my only possible scumpartner because im not scum
but it interests me whether or not you're a more sure bet than adrien

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 2:42 pm

In post 1061, ProHawk wrote:FWIW I am also leaning Droog for the exact reasons you pointed out. But I am doubting that he would be so forward as scum at the same time.

is this the thing about how my case makes no sense

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:05 pm

that adrien badly twisted my words
lied about it
then chastised me for lying????

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:07 pm

what am i supposed to say if you disagree

im not going to back down and you're not going to agree

this is why im 20% convinced it's not xayzeck
if you could at least try dismantling my case
((something adrien has never done))
i would feel a lot better about you

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:21 pm

In post 494, TheAdrienC wrote:Did you mess up to quote tag or are you trying to pin your words on Oka?

In post 502, droog wrote:
Why would you accuse me of shifting my case to Oka

In post 515, TheAdrienC wrote:What the hell? I never said you were shifting your case on Oka.

if you're already being generous in how you interpret
"scum do this" "but its protown" "thats not what i said though"
then why isnt this just as suspect?

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:37 pm

In post 1070, TheAdrienC wrote:That's your case? Wow, really?

: |

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 3:38 pm

why are you pretending that you're hearing my case for the first time
was any of this news when you voted me 'for twisting crap'

droog · Tue Oct 14, 2014 4:20 pm

In post 1074, droog wrote:why are you pretending that you're hearing my case for the first time
was any of this news when you voted me 'for twisting crap'

why are you pretending this is all there is to my case
are you ignoring your back and forth with nm
why you ignored my request for your oka read to spar over 'small stuff'
why you blew up the freaking 'scum would more likely do this' thing in the first place

i could go on about how you blew up over meta
((which is an easy argument for scum to push))
or you never adequately responded to my argumenst
((hence why you're acting shocked now))

but

1) it was never part of my original case
2) im not going to argue with scum

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:51 am

In post 1086, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1060, droog wrote:have you ever played on epicmafia? its like that

if adrien's only possible scumpartner is you, then i know you're scum
if my only possible scumpartner is you, then adrien knows you're scum

if both those things are true than everyone knows you're scum

idgaf about proving that youre my only possible scumpartner because im not scum
but it interests me whether or not you're a more sure bet than adrien

Why are we discussing all of these "if"s when all of these are one in a million scenarios? In what situation would adrien's only possible scumpartner be me? In what situation would your only possible scumpartner be you?

I know that adrieb is scum
ergo it is more useful for me to pick his scum partner than
Continue picking at him

Nothing makes you his "only" possible targe
It was an explanation of how I'm thinking and why I'm focusing on non-adrieb atm

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:06 am

In post 1089, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1074, droog wrote:why are you pretending that you're hearing my case for the first time
was any of this news when you voted me 'for twisting crap'

I think the biggest problem with your case is not a problem with your case, it's a problem with you.

You're stubbornly fixed on "adrien twisted my words", but as I read your case, your posts, and plant myself into adrien's shoes, everything he does is understandable.

From an adrien-town-perspective, in my interpretation:
I notice the daytalk thing, I bring it up, even though it is setup spec and not directly related to scumhunting, I am providing my fellow town with additional information to disadvantage scum. I'm helping out the town.

Then you come along and say that this would happen more likely as scum(that is, noticing the daytalk thing). adrien-town, who is convinced he was aiding town, and that it was protown, interprets it as "you are more likely to notice as scum, therefore this is scummy". And this, adrien has every reason to defend himself from this accusation, I do not see how this is scummy. ('this' being defending himself)

And to my knowledge, you seem to be denying this, saying that just because it is more likely for scum to notice, does not mean you are calling him scum. Forgive me if I misinterpreted this, but this is the biggest wat I have about your case.

Next, the Oka read thing. I have already briefly addressed this, but I can very clearly interpret your question as "share your read on Oka, and vote Oka", since "dazzle me with a vote on your top scumread" coming right after "share your read on oka" made me think that scumread = oka.

And where does the stubbornness kick in? I have brought most of these points up before, yet it doesn't seem like you particularly want to acknowledge them. I feel everything I'm bringing up is valid, and all the things you find scummy are easily justifiable from a town perspective. I don't know whether you're incredibly confident of your case, or you're just pulling one out of your ass to get yourself a mislynch.

So I'm giving you a chance droog, do you think these explanations from an adrien-town perspective make sense? If not, why?

Can you point out a gap in my logic?

Are you going to say "it's just your interpretations?", to which I will say, that's how reads work.

Are you going to substantiate your case more with MORE points for adrien-scum?

If you say no to these questions, then I will have to ask you, why in hell did you vote in lylo?

"Scum is more likely to so this" =\= "you are scum for doing this
If disagree then I have nothing left to convince you with

Note that adrien lying is not my day 1 case
Adrien twisting my words and then calling me a liar about it
While forestalling answers to my questions

Is my case

Here is a response that would have pleased me
"Yeah scum would more likely notice but that doesn't make me scum
It was a pro-town action
My thoughts on Oka are....."

It is a fact that scum would notice missing day talk almost 100% of the time
And town would not

If adrien had accepted that I would not have cared
If adrien had acknowledged it and then said his protown spiel, I would not have cared

This was right after I subbed in and had no other reasons to suspect him
Why would town be worried about such a minor detail that couldn't blow up into a lynch?

Worse, why didn't he acknowledge my question about Oka (until later)?
That would have been a towny thing to do

Why did he accuse me of lying?

I can accept town motivations for the semantic difficulties
But the while debate left me severely disaffected

It's telling that you and ProHawk are the ones who keep bringing up semantics
Adrien never said "I think you misunderstand me"
Or "hold up explain that to me again"

Afaik he's ignored my case since he unvotrd me day 1

(((Any connection between "dazzle me with a vote" and "explain your Oka read"
We're probably just rhetorical flourishes since I'd just subbed in
Though
At the time I remember thinking that Darien's big scum read was Oka and he didn't say it in those terms
May have misremembered, it's not essential to my case)))

This became way too long if I missed anything let me know

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 10:08 am

In post 1090, Xayzeck wrote:
In post 1079, droog wrote:are you ignoring your back and forth with nm
why you ignored my request for your oka read to spar over 'small stuff'
why you blew up the freaking 'scum would more likely do this' thing in the first place

i could go on about how you blew up over meta
((which is an easy argument for scum to push))
or you never adequately responded to my argumenst
((hence why you're acting shocked now))

I'm interested in these. Among all of these points here, which you seem to be able to substantiate, and the points I have talked about most, what do you think is the biggest selling point for adrien-scum?

Adrien has never taken the time to try to prove to me that he isn't scum
He has never needed to understand my argument

Because he doesn't need to
He never needed to figure out if I was scum or town
He always knew I was town

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 2:24 pm

In post 1096, ProHawk wrote:
In post 1091, droog wrote:I know that adrieb is scum

This choice would be so much easier if you both didn't have this crazy notion in your head. You both don't know my alignment.

?
is there a scenario where we're both town
im very interested to hear why

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:06 pm

im still more sure about adrien than xay

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:15 pm

In post 1107, TheAdrienC wrote:I'm more sure than droog than Xaydeck, but there are two scum and he's my top choice after droog.

so what
what about my case from earlier
are you not going to respond at all

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:25 pm

VOTE: xayzeck

droog · Wed Oct 15, 2014 4:25 pm

good game