Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[hephaestus]

Hello friends, I'm kyndy's replacement!
How's everyone doing?

[hephaestus]

Who is hephaestus? Same as vgc?

Not an alt if that's what you're asking!

[hephaestus]

Eh?

[hephaestus]

I assume you mean unvoting but I'm not currently voting anyone

If you did mean inviting I am not sure what you mean though

[hephaestus]

I've been ambivalent about ProHawk but his tentativeness around your (Oka) lynch seems pointless as scum

Does it though? Who would your main lynch target be had Oka gotten lynched and flipped town just now?

Hawk saw the possibility of a different lynch going through so he stepped back to see where it went. The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead. Now he can hold Oka responsible for the mislynch after pushing him to join that wagon by putting him at L-1

VOTE: ProHawk

[hephaestus]

Also N_M, if Hawk does flip scum I'll be looking at you for facilitating this, by joining the Flubber wagon and now going after Oka. Not voting you yet because I feel like the multiple votes system gives scum the chance to derail wagons more easily (as evidenced by what just happened)

[hephaestus]

VOTE: hephastus

Nice omgus

[hephaestus]

You're wrong. I read him as town. There is no saving it for later because I don't lynch my town-reads unless something drastic happens.

This is a stupid rebuttal of course no one is going to lynch their town reads?? This assumes you're town while my argument assumes you're scum you might as well've said "I'm not scum because I'm not scum"

Also "unless something drastic happens", still keeping your options open huh?

[hephaestus]

Ok I will explain this one more time though N_M is pretty much spot on

Here's the thing: Oka should've gotten lynched rather than Flubber. If he'd flipped town, ProHawk would be the most likely next lynch. I am 90% sure either Oka or ProHawk is scum, reading up I felt like this was a very likely sequence of events to happen that would result in at least 1 lynched scum D1 --

but then

the Oka wagon was derailed by Hawk jumping off, right as people were pushing for a hammer - I may be wrong but I feel the Flubber wagon wasn't as serious as the Oka one at this point and not that likely to be pushed through at a different moment

In short my case is that ProHawk knew people would be looking at him in case of an Oka town flip so he decided to get his ass off the wagon last minute.

[hephaestus]

Adrien 376 is already a pretty straightforward explanation of my vote, see above for hopefully some more clarity or feel free to ask whatever is unclear to you

[hephaestus]

This looks really bad if you mean that it's scummy that NM is on a vanity wagon and not on the prohawk wagon so why are you voting for hawk and not nm?

I'm not sure why you're voting prohawk at all actually.

Maybe you should read the explanation right above my vote then?

[hephaestus]

Not voting you yet because I feel like the multiple votes system gives scum the chance to derail wagons more easily (as evidenced by what just happened)

THIS is where he implies Oka is scum, unless you can tell me why scum would de-rail a town-lynch?

How does that imply Oka is scum?? At all????

[hephaestus]

Using buzzwords like "omgus"

Implying buzzword is not a buzzword
Implying a naked vote on someone who just voted you should go unmentioned

Nothing from his narrative of me being scum is actually factual or correct (Oka being responsible for the mislynch of flubber, saving an Oka wagon for later, etc).

Implying you're not full of shit

[hephaestus]

@Prohawk

Spoiler:

If he'd flipped town, ProHawk would be the most likely next lynch.

Why? Why would I have been the next lynch? Out of everyone else that contributed to the lynch, what was it that made me stand out exactly? Heck, if the majority of people thought he was scum and STILL think he is scum why would they blame me exactly?

Because until then you were defending yourself as being the scum-driven counterwagon to Oka, remember? Might not look so good when that other wagon turns out to be.. not on scum.

But here, lets see narrative Version 1 ~

Hawk saw the possibility of a different lynch going through so he stepped back to see where it went. The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead. Now he can hold Oka responsible for the mislynch after pushing him to join that wagon by putting him at L-1

Conveniently left out the first bit did ya?

Who would your main lynch target be had Oka gotten lynched and flipped town just now?

(it's you btw)

Compare it to Version 2 ~

Ok I will explain this one more time though N_M is pretty much spot on

Here's the thing: Oka should've gotten lynched rather than Flubber. If he'd flipped town, ProHawk would be the most likely next lynch. I am 90% sure either Oka or ProHawk is scum, reading up I felt like this was a very likely sequence of events to happen that would result in at least 1 lynched scum D1 -- but then the Oka wagon was derailed by Hawk jumping off, right as people were pushing for a hammer - I may be wrong but

I feel the Flubber wagon wasn't as serious as the Oka one at this point and not that likely to be pushed through at a different moment

In short my case is that ProHawk knew people would be looking at him in case of an Oka town flip so he decided to get his ass off the wagon last minute.

there ya go

First, I am scum because I wanted a different lynch to go through and was going to lynch Oka later. Next I am scum because apparently I would have been under intense scrutiny if Oka had flipped town and therefore jumped ship.

These things were both part of both of my explanations. I emphasized the latter in my second one because it was overlooked in my first one but I believe both of those things were reasons for you to derail the Oka wagon because in short:

An Oka lynch was most likely to be followed by a ProHawk lynch
A Flubber lynch was most likely to be followed by an Oka lynch

[hephaestus]

OMGUS isn't a tell-all for scum JSYK, but it is used by scum to push lynches because its "easy", hence the "buzzword".

I know what a buzzword is love
I wasn't saying you're scum because of the omgus though I was just pointing out your

horrible naked vote

[hephaestus]

As scum, the main reason to derail a wagon is to save a partner. AKA that would point to Oka being scum WITH me.

You have got to be kidding me

Although now you are saying I derailed it in order to not look bad, although somehow my derailing it made me look bad so I don't see what you think I accomplished with my kick-butt-scum-plan there...

"If you think I'm scum and trying not to get caught, then the fact that you caught me means I'm not scum!"

sigh

[hephaestus]

Xayzeck, if an Oka lynch were to go through right now, who would you want to lynch tomorrow, town vs scum flip?

[hephaestus]

So basically we have Oka vs. Rosey. Heph vs Hawk. Adrien vs. Droog. Someone's gotta be wrong...

Everyone is wrong Xay and N_M are the scum team

[hephaestus]

Heph if oka flips scum does that make me town?

No

[hephaestus]

N_M tell me about your vote

[hephaestus]

i want to hear more from rose and hephaestus

sure let's dance

[hephaestus]

Do you see a pro/nm scum team

i refuse to back the prohawk wagon so what else you got

Sure I guess

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[hephaestus]

Because with two votes its not a contender when we have what two days left?

Bullshite, he can just put his vote back and I'll be at L-2 again.

[hephaestus]

Which means people on the last-minute-get-a-lynch-train will go... oh, the only one close enough to lynch is Oka. Vote Oka. Vote Oka cause we can't no lynch! Vote. Oka.

Why don't

you

vote Oka?

[hephaestus]

Oh, derp. But tbh that is even more stupid

[hephaestus]

Yep, N_M probably

[hephaestus]

I am

[hephaestus]

?

[hephaestus]

Do you see a pro/nm scum team

i refuse to back the prohawk wagon so what else you got

droog I felt this suggested you'd be willing to compromise on am N_M lynch?

With NM doing nothing but comment on other people's arguments without really taking a side and not contributing personal reads/arguments I actually feel pretty good about this vote.

[hephaestus]

so, heph, please explain why voting nm is a better option than going back on the kyndy slot

because the kyndy slot is town

[hephaestus]

Whatever, droog. Put your vote back on me if you think I'm scum.

[hephaestus]

ISO him. Anything he's said today is insubstantial, but trying to have the appearance of him being involved.

[hephaestus]

gnight

[hephaestus]

He's throwing in a towel. Would scum give up that easily?

would town play against their win condition by not playing?

I was just going to bed

[hephaestus]

They were tiresome

[hephaestus]

K