Micro 387: Double Day Unlimited (GAME OVER)

[Not_Mafia]

I will unvote when I townread you

VOTE: ProHawk
VOTE: Flubbernugget
VOTE: roseylily
VOTE: scrambles
VOTE: Xayzeck
VOTE: kyndy101
VOTE: ZZZX
VOTE: OkaPoka

[Not_Mafia]

Because?

[Not_Mafia]

NM is scum.

Why?

[Not_Mafia]

Why not?

[Not_Mafia]

I am aware of that

[Not_Mafia]

You are trying to make an excuse in RVS for voting everyone.

Didn't you do the exact same thing?

Which seems WAY TOO CAUTIOUS and scummy.

What about voting everyone is WAY TOO CAUTIOUS? I've immediately become the focal point of the game.

[Not_Mafia]

No, it is rvs so i just did it. You are being hyper cautious of not messing up.

6 of my votes are mislynch votes. I'm giving myself more and more opportunities to mess up.

I will unvote when I townread you

Joke or Serious?

Bit of both

[Not_Mafia]

You're changing the subject

[Not_Mafia]

So you're conceding that your point about me being cautious was incorrect?

[Not_Mafia]

That list isn't permanent, I'm fine with it for now though

[Not_Mafia]

UNVOTE: Prohawk

[Not_Mafia]

I kinda feel like Oka and NM are scumbuddies. They both entered the game the same way, saw each other do it, called each other out on it in what seems to me as an insincere fight over both of them doing it...
VOTE: Okapoka
VOTE: Not_Mafia

I had no problem with his entry, it was the way he called me out on it when what he did was very similar

[Not_Mafia]

He's on L-2

[Not_Mafia]

So guys we need to claim.

I'm vanilla townie don't hurt me.

[Not_Mafia]

Did you think we were still in RVS when we posted?

[Not_Mafia]

Xay and scrambles are yet to post, I don't know Scrambles, Know Xay a little bit, has been posting elsewhere but not in this game, doesn't seem like him

[Not_Mafia]

Who is Lynda? and it's an open set up so what is you point?

And Oka was at L-2

UNVOTE: roseylily
UNVOTE: kyndy
UNVOTE: Flubber

[Not_Mafia]

You don't what lurkers?

[Not_Mafia]

You didn't answer his question

[Not_Mafia]

Also, I've done some research, and I have a slight town lean for Oka; when he's scum, I feel like he's usually more reserved (mostly "I agree" posts, some more passive observations).

I townread him for this in our last game and he was scum, he's started playing more active and confrontational as scum

but at least that the fight seemed unreasonable; they essentially just did the same thing (voting every other person).

Again, I never actually criticised him voting everyone, I criticised him criticising me for something he himself did in a pretty similar fashion.

[Not_Mafia]

It's referring to Lynda. Duh.

[Not_Mafia]

lols abound if we lynch Xay without him posting

[Not_Mafia]

Anything relevant to say?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

ISOing him I realise I have no idea why I unvoted him

[Not_Mafia]

@Oka. There was nothing to compel me to unvote

You never voted Oka?

[Not_Mafia]

It's not every game I get unlimited votes, I'm voting you because I can. Step off and let me troll.

That post looks flaily to me. But after Cabd's game I can't really put any stock in any tonal read on you. So you're null.

Oka and Scrambles are my serious votes

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you voting Oka?

[Not_Mafia]

Why is a word with a very long tail

[Not_Mafia]

It basically means get to the point, which you did. What changed between 109 and 114 considering Oka didn't post? And how is a vote for Oka unsafe?

[Not_Mafia]

What lynch isn't chancing a mislynch?

Apart from mine

[Not_Mafia]

What scumslips?

[Not_Mafia]

Neither of those things are slips.

Tell me why I should unvote Xay specifically, and why me not townreading him after 3 content posts makes me scum?

[Not_Mafia]

It sounds like scramble would prefer to go for a null read lynch rather than a scum read which I would disagree with.

So why not phrase your question to him that way instead of asking a leading question?

[Not_Mafia]

I'm currently townreading Prohawk because the way him and Oka pushed my wagon at the start was too similar for them to be partners and I'm scumreading Oka And if you want us to be talking about it then start a conversation on the topic

[Not_Mafia]

And I never once criticised how many posts you have so I don't know what you're getting so upset about

[Not_Mafia]

Okay I can see how you interpreted it that way, all I meant was there was no reason for me to autotownreading you.

And doe Oka not remind you of Gerrymander mafia at all?

And my voting everyone is partially me trolling/pissing about with the set-up but it's also me me liking that I can pressure null reads as well as all my scum reads with a vote at will

[Not_Mafia]

@Prohawk why did you unvote Oka?

[Not_Mafia]

Why do you feel the need to "change" your vote and not just vote Kyndy?

[Not_Mafia]

Aswell

[Not_Mafia]

We should really be lynching someone now, almost halfway through day + beginning to stagnate.

Oka first preference, Flubber second

UNVOTE: ZZZX
UNVOTE: Xayzeck
UNVOTE: scrambles

[Not_Mafia]

Have you guys read the rules?

1) Double Day: The town can lynch two players per day before a night phase begins.

After the first lynch of a day phase, all votes reset, but the deadline does not.

[Not_Mafia]

There is scum in the [Oka, Flubber, Prohawk] block, in that order. I still think this games needs a flip

[Not_Mafia]

You're either a scum counterwagon to Oka and/or Flubber or they're town and the wagon on you is the legit one

[Not_Mafia]

You're scum in that scenario and the wagon on you would be town driven

[Not_Mafia]

I'm not going to get in to the minutiae of wagon theory talk, there's a reason you're third on my list.

[Not_Mafia]

UNVOTE: Flubbernugget
VOTE: Prohawk

Largely gut read after 250, it's a massive oversimplification, also don't like the tentativeness surrounding the dueling Oka/Flubber wagons

[Not_Mafia]

There's nothing stopping you putting Oka on L-1

[Not_Mafia]

Urgh

UNVOTE: Prohawk

Want the Oka lynch too much

[Not_Mafia]

I'd say it's pretty self evident

[Not_Mafia]

[Filler]

[Another whinge about getting a flip asap]

Fill in the blanks as you wish

[Not_Mafia]

Dat 5 man scumteam, you honestly have on null reads and/or no scumreads of particular strength?

[Not_Mafia]

Flubber pls

[Not_Mafia]

Why the sudden flip flop on Hawk?

And don't self hammer, the hammer is coming

[Not_Mafia]

It's not going to take Flubber two days to vote you.

And why the flip flop on Hawkman?

Pedit: ?

[Not_Mafia]

What are these buckets of WIFOM?

How much longer are we going to hem and haw over a lynch? This game is not moving forward.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm explicitly not being subtle, and weren't you just advocating getting your lynch done and dusted to "save town time"?

Are you going to explain anything?

[Not_Mafia]

You went from town to scum on him in one post and now your scumread on him is based on stuff for the whole game?

And define garbage throwing and quote where he's doing it.

[Not_Mafia]

Can you really not tell?

[Not_Mafia]

ZZZX is a pointless lynch right now, if he continues lurking I'll be for it but when and if he stops lurking he's easily readable

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Flubber

That's both on L-1, I'd really appreciate waking up to a flip

[Not_Mafia]

I've been ambivalent about ProHawk but his tentativeness around your (Oka) lynch seems pointless as scum

[Not_Mafia]

Flip a coin. Oka is heads because hens have heads.

[Not_Mafia]

vgc?

[Not_Mafia]

[v[OkaPoka[/v]

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: OkaPoka

[Not_Mafia]

Maybe we're all scum but we aren't actually bad, and it is the moderator's trap

[Not_Mafia]

The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead.

You're wrong. I read him as town. There is no saving it for later because I don't lynch my town-reads unless something drastic happens.

You don't have to be on the wagon for him to get lynched

[Not_Mafia]

Neither I nor Heph said that.

[Not_Mafia]

Read Heph's post

[Not_Mafia]

It won't

[Not_Mafia]

The Oka wagon was

driving itself

at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead.

[Not_Mafia]

ZZZX repost your replace out request in bold

[Not_Mafia]

That doesn't contradict his point

Oka being a viable mislynch for you later on in the game has nothing to do with you declaring a townread on him, there's still enough support for the lynch without your vote

[Not_Mafia]

If you're scum and Oka is town then Oka is more easily mislynchable in future than Flubber, and you hopping off the Oka wagon helped Flubber be the lynch instead of Oka.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm not particularly agreeing with him bu it was pretty blatant what hisn point was and it seems like you're arguing just to argue

[Not_Mafia]

So you agree that the he is saying I am going to mislynch Oka in the future?

Again, you don't need to be on or push an Oka lynch wagon for it to happen

it seems like you're arguing just to argue

Who is the one who brought up the argument?

He made a point that you keep misrepresenting or failing to understand and keep arguing against

you hopping off the Oka wagon helped Flubber be the lynch instead of Oka.

Saying I am scum for the Flubber mis-lynch is trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

It's a good thing I'm not saying that then

[Not_Mafia]

Again, you don't need to be on or push an Oka lynch wagon for it to happen

According to this logic I don't need to even be in the freaking game for it to happen. *slowclap*

Definitely equivalent

What you fail to understand is that he is IMPLYING that I will play a part in lynching Oka which I merely stated was untrue.

Okay. I don't get that sense from his post

[Not_Mafia]

But it was fun

[Not_Mafia]

Oka isn't my only suspect but he is my biggest and this game will stagnate as long as Oka is alive. I won't be voting anyone else today.

[Not_Mafia]

Quote some posts from Prohawk that you're calling WIFOM, you keep saying this

[Not_Mafia]

I misread, you accused him of it previously though

[Not_Mafia]

He comes up with this narrative that I am scum because I stepped back from Oka's lynch. He feels like scum derailed a wagon (Oka?),

which makes no sense unless Oka were scum

(and he isn't voting Oka)

Nothing from his narrative of me being scum is actually factual or correct (Oka being responsible for the mislynch of flubber,

saving an Oka wagon for later, etc).

You say his narrative only makes sense if Oka is scum and then later in your post acknowledge he was saying you were saving an Oka mislynch for later. I don't even agree with Heph on that and thinks there's valid points on him, but it's getting harder for me to believe you're not just deliberately misrepresenting him

[Not_Mafia]

Hawk saw the possibility of a different lynch going through so he stepped back to see where it went. The Oka wagon was driving itself at that point anyway so might as well save it for later, especially since the Flubber wagon wouldn't take off as easily if Oka had been lynched instead.

What part of this only makes sense if Oka is scum?

Hypothetical: Oka town, you scum

Flubber is a better lynch for you than Oka as Oka is more likely/more easily mislynched in future (you pushing Oka doesn't need to happen, before we get in to that argument)
You jump off Oka wagon to make the Flubber wagon more likely to go through

[Not_Mafia]

I assume you mean disagreeing? And we're not even really disagreeing so much as I feel he's misunderstanding what Heph is saying and it's hard to have a conversation about what Heph is saying when we're reading his case so differently.

[Not_Mafia]

Okay I understand what you were getting at now. And yeah he needs to elaborate on that post.

[Not_Mafia]

I felt it was weird he felt the need to point no daytalk and 2 scum when that's the standard but he's also played significantly less games than his join date would suggest

[Not_Mafia]

So, I'm really really ready for this day to end

[Not_Mafia]

So, I'm really really ready for this day to end

Who's scum, NM?

Oka and I'm not sure

i dont want more than two votes at once

Why? Especially considering the VC and the deadline and that you presumably want a Heph lynch over an Oka lynch

[Not_Mafia]

I'm on the anti-pointless-game-stagnation-can-we-please-lynch-Oka-now side

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: Hephaestus

Ending the day, plus his recent posts read as scum facetiousness

[Not_Mafia]

As we know from Toomai's large, town never quickhammer

[Not_Mafia]

What's the point of no lynching? That's just handing scum an extra kill

[Not_Mafia]

You do know we have 2 lynches tomorrow as well?

[Not_Mafia]

VOTE: TheAdrienC

I actually found Oka's reaction to my hammer towny, droog's too but less so, although I'm townreading him anyway. Adrien's push on me however has been really weak and robotic "voting everyone is bad and quickhammering is bad, bad things mean scum" when he knows it's not that simple firsthand.

[Not_Mafia]

Continue to ignore what I've said about you knowing quickhammers can come from town and dismiss it as omgus

[Not_Mafia]

After subbing in you've pushed on me for voting everyone and analysed little else, everything after that was reactionary, until my quickhammer. You've just pushed on the easiest things you can find

[Not_Mafia]

So is this a policy lynch or a scum lynch? And that didn't actually address what I said.

[Not_Mafia]

You and then probably Xay by PoE

[Not_Mafia]

And yes, it DID address what you said.

It didn't, you've basically analysed me and Oka voting everyone and my quickhammer and nothing in between except accusations leveled at you. All you've done is either reactionary or picking out that easiest things you can pick on with no real consideration.

Who is my partner? Who is scum if I flip town?

[Not_Mafia]

ok
i was sure scum was hiding somewhere in rose and heph

urgh, don't make me doubt my reads now that I actually have them please

really dont like the office of military government, united states

I dun get it

[Not_Mafia]

Pedit: Oka I've stated why, arguing with ProHawk yesterday over Heph it felt towny, plus I've had a cocky town vibe on him for a while. You in general I've liked your pushes. Xay I had minor town at first but that read has since waned.

VOTE: Hephaestus

Ending the day, plus his recent posts read as scum facetiousness

And I wanted to see how people would react, as I thought I'd get more utility out of that than anything that would have came out of the rest of the day

[Not_Mafia]

NM, you mean to tell me you are condemning me for reactionary play and are not admitting that YOU ARE USING REACTIONS for your reads? Hypocrisy much?

By reactionary play, I mean you only doing things in retaliation

[Not_Mafia]

Pedit: Oka I've stated why, arguing with ProHawk yesterday over Heph it felt towny, plus I've had a cocky town vibe on him for a while. You in general I've liked your pushes. Xay I had minor town at first but that read has since waned.

[Not_Mafia]

What's the significance of L-3?

[Not_Mafia]

What questions?

And you think scum are going to quickhammer someone and out themselves the instant someone reaches L-2? This is just a boogeyman. I don't care how many scum there are, I will put someone at L-1 in RVS if it will help me pressure someone and get reads.

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

[Not_Mafia]

Okay these

You've played with me when I was scum. Remember how I played that game? Am I the same or different than I was in that game?

The flailing and the melodrama is the same, similar pushes "3rd vote in RVS", "on every wagon". There's nothing remarkably different here. Unless you want to point out differences to me

[Not_Mafia]

And do you know what annoys me? People saying "I did this as town in that game so I must be town in this game". Like you just did below. No. Just no. People alter their meta all the time. More likely they can do it if they are aware of their meta.

It's lucky I never said this then

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

Wow, just what your case needed, a big pile of WIFOM.

Are you going to respond to my case, or just continue to throw the buzzwords at it?

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

Your vote on me was mostly because you didn't like my vote on you.

OMGUS is voting someone purely because they voted you. Voting someone because you think their push on you is scummy isn't OMGUS.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

In my opinion, if you were town, you would have been a bit more cordial to helping find scum other than have a hissy fit.

Please quote where I'm having a hissy fit. And I think you're scum, why should your reachout have affected that?

[Not_Mafia]

The first lynch today should be between Adrien and myself, this is not a 1v1 that belongs in a potential LyLo.

[Not_Mafia]

Please start breaking up quotes rather than inserting text in, it makes it easier to respond back and forth

[Not_Mafia]

And do you know what annoys me? People saying "I did this as town in that game so I must be town in this game". Like you just did below. No. Just no. People alter their meta all the time. More likely they can do it if they are aware of their meta.

It's lucky I never said this then

Lies. Below is a specific part of your last quote inserted by me

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything.

Nowhere there did I say I was town for it. I said you know this is behaviour I've exhibited as town and you're not considering it in your read.

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

Wow, just what your case needed, a big pile of WIFOM.

Are you going to respond to my case, or just continue to throw the buzzwords at it?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

"Would scum do this?" is the entire point of the game, not WIFOM. But by all means continue to throw insults and buzzwords rather than actually respond

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

Your vote on me was mostly because you didn't like my vote on you.

OMGUS is voting someone purely because they voted you. Voting someone because you think their push on you is scummy isn't OMGUS.

No, that's just the excuse everyone uses when they are committing OMGUS. Droog hates me as much as you do and he thought it was OMGUS too.

If I'm making an excuse then respond to my case and shows that it's nonsense

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

In my opinion, if you were town, you would have been a bit more cordial to helping find scum other than have a hissy fit.

Please quote where I'm having a hissy fit. And I think you're scum, why should your reachout have affected that?

As for your hissy fit, revisit this.

So is this a policy lynch or a scum lynch? And that didn't actually address what I said.

You accuse me voting for my top scumread as a policy lynch.

After subbing in you've pushed on me for voting everyone and analysed little else, everything after that was reactionary, until my quickhammer. You've just pushed on the easiest things you can find

Whining I've been pushing for you since I came in and said "Oh, you're just doing it because I'm an easy target..."

The first quote if I asked if you just want to PL me. It's a valid question, we're pre-LyLo and if you don't want someone in LyLo as policy you have to push it as a scum/utility lynch sometimes. The second quote is contingent on you actually responding to my case.

And both of those quotes came before your reachout post, you said I threw a hissy fit in response to it. And you still haven't answered the original question of why that post should have affected my scumread on you.

And are you really going to push "throwing a hissy fit" as a scumtell and "being cordial" as a towntell and make posts like this...

Spoiler:

If you don't think that is an anti-town action, you really are thick

I reached out to you and you just spat in my face. Thank you.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

Flailing? Melodrama? Are you thick?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

[Not_Mafia]

Don't worry, I wouldn't.

[Not_Mafia]

And do you know what annoys me? People saying "I did this as town in that game so I must be town in this game". Like you just did below. No. Just no. People alter their meta all the time. More likely they can do it if they are aware of their meta.

It's lucky I never said this then

Lies. Below is a specific part of your last quote inserted by me

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything.

Nowhere there did I say I was town for it. I said you know this is behaviour I've exhibited as town and you're not considering it in your read.

You were strongly implying it by having it be a cornerstone of your defense.

It's not my defense it's my attack on you, you're attacking me for behaviour you know I exhibited as town and don't seem to be considering that in your read

Your case on me is this
-I voted everyone
-I hammered without intent
-I was on both d1 wagons

I was also on most wagons in Toomai's game, I was town there, no mention of this from you. No actual analysis or consideration for any context for anything. No effort to think "Well would scum really attract this much attention to themselves pre-LyLo?" or "Well what if he was saving an Oka lynch? Although now he's changed his read" or "How significant is voting in RVS in this set-up, do people do it a lot? How long did it take for him to back down, was it only because he was getting negative attention for it?" or anything else. Just "Bad things are scum".

Wow, just what your case needed, a big pile of WIFOM.

Are you going to respond to my case, or just continue to throw the buzzwords at it?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

"Would scum do this?" is the entire point of the game, not WIFOM. But by all means continue to throw insults and buzzwords rather than actually respond

Alright, allow me to physically define it since what I'm saying is going over your head. By saying you were doing something and that you wouldn't be doing that as scum could be you doing it as scum just to appear as town. That is what we call "wine in front of me" and I don't care if you think it's a buzzword, there's a reason it exists and it was part of everyone's case on me in the Toomai game. By saying "Hey, I did this! It makes more sense for me to do this as town than scum!" is something that I'm going to be very cautious to believe. As should anyone be if anyone uses such a tactic to try to convince anyone their town, including if I use it with you.

Okay I overstated things here when I said it's not WIFOM, but when in Toomai's game Mirhawk was saying Juls was town after she quickhammered because he thought she wouldn't bring all that negative attention on herself, was the read any less valid it involved an element of WIFOM. That was actually taking context in to consideration and questioning things and developing a read rather than just saying "bad so scum", which is what you are

not

doing here.

His response to my vote was an OMGUS vote

Define OMGUS

Your vote on me was mostly because you didn't like my vote on you.

OMGUS is voting someone purely because they voted you. Voting someone because you think their push on you is scummy isn't OMGUS.

No, that's just the excuse everyone uses when they are committing OMGUS. Droog hates me as much as you do and he thought it was OMGUS too.

If I'm making an excuse then respond to my case and shows that it's nonsense

Present an actual concrete case and I will respond to it.

It's there for you to respond to, this evasion is looking a lot like the large game now

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

What has got to do with anything? Why should that post have affected my scumread on you?

In my opinion, if you were town, you would have been a bit more cordial to helping find scum other than have a hissy fit.

Please quote where I'm having a hissy fit. And I think you're scum, why should your reachout have affected that?

As for your hissy fit, revisit this.

So is this a policy lynch or a scum lynch? And that didn't actually address what I said.

You accuse me voting for my top scumread as a policy lynch.

After subbing in you've pushed on me for voting everyone and analysed little else, everything after that was reactionary, until my quickhammer. You've just pushed on the easiest things you can find

Whining I've been pushing for you since I came in and said "Oh, you're just doing it because I'm an easy target..."

The first quote if I asked if you just want to PL me. It's a valid question, we're pre-LyLo and if you don't want someone in LyLo as policy you have to push it as a scum/utility lynch sometimes. The second quote is contingent on you actually responding to my case.

If it was a policy lynch, I wouldn't have laid out reasons why I thought you were scum. And what have I not responded to and what exactly is your case?

And both of those quotes came before your reachout post, you said I threw a hissy fit in response to it. And you still haven't answered the original question of why that post should have affected my scumread on you.

And are you really going to push "throwing a hissy fit" as a scumtell and "being cordial" as a towntell and make posts like this...

Spoiler:

If you don't think that is an anti-town action, you really are thick

I reached out to you and you just spat in my face. Thank you.

he spat in my face when I reached out to him

Flailing? Melodrama? Are you thick?

That's exactly what your case is completely built on, you thick, thick person. Saying "Would scum do (insert action you did)" is WIFOM or do I need to define it. The Oka lynch saving is something that I did too, by the way. And just because you were stubborn to very stupid actions you took doesn't reflect on what alignment you are.

All of that was AFTER my reach out. Thanks for taking that out of context and all. Gloves were off after your response there. If you reached out to me, I would have been cordial.

That has nothing to do you posting quotes from before your reachout, this is my post addressing you after your reachout and before your "you spat in my face" response

NM, you mean to tell me you are condemning me for reactionary play and are not admitting that YOU ARE USING REACTIONS for your reads? Hypocrisy much?

By reactionary play, I mean you only doing things in retaliation

How is this me not being coridal or in any way comparable to what you're doing?

And you still haven't answered what I asked you in the first place. Why should that reachout have affected my read on you?

[Not_Mafia]

What is so bad about everyone?

I don't like nm voting everyone
Because it's an easy way to look more pro-town

We already went over how this doesn't get anyone any town cred

[Not_Mafia]

You may as well get my flip and move on to LyLo now. Adrien isn't going to respond properly, it's pointless us talking in circles, the time is better spent in 5p.

[Not_Mafia]

I'm the inevitable first lynch today. It's honestly a waste of time delaying this, use the time for 5p, all that will happen is a continual wall war with Adrien over the same stuff with the same non-answers.

[Not_Mafia]

Adrein: Xay most likely partner, softbussing today for LyLo but setting up the lynch on Oka. Oka also possible, then Pro. Droog probably not partners.

Xay: probably not scum with oka, could be with anyone else really

Oka: Oka/Pro could be a thing despite early game, can only really rule Xay out. Adrien seems more likely than droog

I can't rule out Pro with anyone. Droog is only really unlikely with Adrien, though I haven't liked the way he's pushed both of us today.

[Not_Mafia]

You should probably do the exact opposite of my reads though

[Not_Mafia]

Why?

[Not_Mafia]

Wrong question actually. What's your point?

[Not_Mafia]

Wrong question actually. What's your point?

I don't think it is a gambit. Plus you could've had an entire day to decide whether to hammer or not.

What would we have accomplished in a day?

[Not_Mafia]

It's probably Xaydrien

[Not_Mafia]

We're just wasting time without a flip. An Oka lynch isn't happening today. Xay and Prohawk need to put their votes to use soon

[Not_Mafia]

I miss your chicken

[Not_Mafia]

Happy Birthday

[Not_Mafia]

I will vote Xay but prefer Adrien

[Not_Mafia]

I have nothing more to add ot my previous reads post.

Adrien

Xayzeck

Oka

droog

Prohawk

[Not_Mafia]

I'm pretty sure it's Xaydrien, Xay is probably the safer lynch even though my scumread on him is more through associaitve/PoE, if scum got an all town mislynch d1 they deserve to win anyway. And I was absolutely the right lynch today, I was at the intersection of the 1v1 and the last 2 on the d1 first lynch.

[Not_Mafia]

Thank you Rob for hosting, congrats scum.

Wish I'd had more confidence in my Adrien read, was coming off a streak of woeful reads.