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Yeah, I'm godfather with Csar-
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In post 25, Dr Pants wrote:"we need to take our time and make sure to hit scum"
"random vote"
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In post 28, Espressojet wrote:
It ok, they got us. Time to turn ourselves in.
NOOOO, don't vote my scumbuddy!!!
In post 25, Dr Pants wrote:"we need to take our time and make sure to hit scum"
"random vote"
"join my wagon"
do you see how these statements don't match?
In all honesty though, there are some clear scum intentions there, more in a sec.
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In post 18, Csareo wrote:I've only played one game with two mafias before.
As the OP said, town doesn't have much chances of winning.
We need to take our time and make sure to hit scum on day one.
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Ok, so real talk time now.
In my experience with the game last time around everybody in the game is going to want to scumhunt, ESPECIALLY MAFIA. Now this is just a preface, and I'm not accusing anyone of scum for scumhuntingbut it may as well be said that townreads should not be given so lightheartedly this game.
So what does this have to do with this post? Not very much specifically, sorry, it's just a really important piece of information so I wanted to make sure everybody read it. (Though pants does have a point, the above post is a tad scummy)-
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In post 34, Csareo wrote:In post 25, Dr Pants wrote:"we need to take our time and make sure to hit scum"
"random vote"
"join my wagon"
do you see how these statements don't match?
I used random.org's list widget
http://www.random.org/lists/
There were 9 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
Espressojet
ZZZX
NakedJogger
Dr Pants
Csareo
aphix
Skelda
Clusk92
Bullish
Timestamp: 2014-08-16 23:46:06 UTC
Well, tickle my pickle, looks like I'm scum.
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In post 35, Skelda wrote:Hello there peoples.
So basically I've been thinking about this setup and, since every kill in this game is town-controlled, what is the point of any of us ever vengekilling? Wouldn't it be better to lynch so we gain info and if the person being lynched is a godfather, their teammates die? Or do people just enjoy their bursts of power?
At worst, we could just all make an agreement to lynch the person who would've been vengekilled next, if that makes sense. Since lynching has no drawbacks and vengekilling does.
You see, this is a great concepton paper, but the truth is that there's no guarantee that people will follow through.
For example, assuming ZZZX is town, and ends up lynched. He may 1) not have time to say "intention to venge-kill ____" before he gets lynched, or 2) choose somebody whom everybody else currently reads as town. There is power in the venge kill because it GUARANTEES a kill on whomever you want, no bullshit involved. (or another outcome where not venge-killing correctly makes the town lose, but we don't have to worry about that just yet)
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[/quote]In post 41, Csareo wrote:There were 9 items inyourlist. Here they are in random order:
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ZZZX
NakedJogger
Dr Pants
Csareo
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Timestamp: 2014-08-16 23:46:06 UTC
Well, tickle my pickle, looks like I'm scum.
Told you guys.
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In post 58, Bullish wrote:Venge kills > lynches because venge kills are guaranteed made by town, while lynches are at least part scum directed.
I've played 2 multi-ball games before, one as scum and one as town. The key is to limit information flow.
I get what you're saying on the top part, but explain how limiting information is key.
In post 56, Dr Pants wrote:Espresso didn't play the same way in both town games. But when he was under pressure, he consistently had 2 kinds of responses: frustration/paranoia and defeat. He has never, ever, gone for the jokey sarcastic route. He also knows me well enough to know that my scum read on him was serious. He has also never been this eager to talk setup strategy. Right now he looks spastic, he isn't pushing for any scum at all, is only talking setup, and is defending my read on him with sarcastic posts admitting he's scum.
A sample size of two? You must be the best scientist ever!
I play whatever suits my mood at that point in time, right now I'm sick of waiting for people to post in other games, so I'm pretty excited for the new Dr. P game which just started oh wait this is it.
I try to mix up my playstyles every game, even just a little. I've said it before and I'll say it again "People play differently in different games"
I mean, come on buddy. I don't think you're necessarily scum, but this push is dumb and just plain wrong! Was I not part of the initial setup discussion in FTL? Did you ever consider I may have opened sarcastically in one of the many games I've played without you? You "knew" I was scum by the third page?
I'm not very good at scumhunting, I'll be the first to admit, but I take TIME to develop my reads.
Also, I did NOT know that your initial scumreads was serious, which is why I continued to be sarcastic, and which is why I'm currently upset with you.-
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In post 69, Dr Pants wrote:In post 64, Espressojet wrote:One thing more, pants: you were also wrong about my being scum in those two games I was town. If you're so sure you can use both of those games as evidence against me, why have you not considered this?
Has anyone ever told you the definition of insanity?
lol what. by the end of day 1 in both games i was town reading you
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In post 74, Espressojet wrote:Straight up lied? When?
I wasn't suggesting you were bad at readingme.You townread me in other games, you'll do so here as well in time.
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I feel like this was a misunderstanding, rather than a scummy lynch push.
I'd hate to see someone get scumreads just because of a little interpretation issue.
Now, of course, there's an ok chance he actually IS scum (along with everyone else's chance to be scum), and there could be real scum intention behind these words, but I just don't see it right now.-
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I do think Csareo is wrong in his scum tactics post, but like the Legend of Skelda, I rather think him town. Being wrong doesn't make you scum. If it did, every time there was a mislynch we'd have half the playerlist up in strings on a moment's notice in every game.
By the way, what is NakedJogger's obsession with nudity? You're a few keystrokes away from satisfaction, buddy. No need to take it out on the rest of us. (Ha! "take it out"!)-
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In post 121, Csareo wrote:You are a bit eager to lynch, but I have a town read on you for scum hunting.
I don't like having these games move to fast.
Didn't I already say that scumhunting should not equal a town read? The scum are obviously going to scumhunt for the opposite team!
In post 118, Dr Pants wrote:hes taking the game way too casually to be scum hunting
him and naked jogger
wheres the paranoia? wheres the fear of messing up for your team, composed of members you aren't supposed to know?
I'm actually totally sick right now, so scumhunting is rather difficult for me at the moment. Once the fog dissipates I'll be able to contribute more accurately and less casually.
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In post 121, Csareo wrote:You are a bit eager to lynch, but I have a town read on you for scum hunting.
I don't like having these games move to fast.
Didn't I already say that scumhunting should not equal a town read? The scum are obviously going to scumhunt for the opposite team!
In post 118, Dr Pants wrote:hes taking the game way too casually to be scum hunting
him and naked jogger
wheres the paranoia? wheres the fear of messing up for your team, composed of members you aren't supposed to know?
I'm actually totally sick right now, so scumhunting is rather difficult for me at the moment. Once the fog dissipates I'll be able to contribute more accurately and less casually.
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Haha, thanks for the support guys! Tea has been helping quite a bit.
I want to give you a top scumread, but everybody who has been actively contributing is currently among my townreads (not for that reason), which gives me four townreads (Pants, Csar, Skelda, self), so by process of elimination I can rightfully say that scum is lurking right now.
Also Clusk hasn't posted since RVS.
If I was forced to give a singular name I'd probably say ZZZX. I want to justify this, now that I'm actually looking at it. Every post of his is "I am town" and he's obviously lurking on purpose due to his post history.-
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In post 123, Dr Pants wrote:thinking about it, i think the best thing for this game is to be transparent about town reads, and to highly encourage activity
scum reads are going to fluctuate a bit, but keeping a consistent track of who is town (ie actively town), who is scummy (actively scummy), and who is lurking, is going to end up being important.
the fact that we haven't heard anything really from clusk and ZZZX makes me worry, especially ZZZX.
Oh wait, now I just look like a sheep... I don't remember this post.-
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In post 248, FakedBlogger wrote:In post 242, Espressojet wrote:Forum ate my post last night and I got a prod, great.
I'd be fine lynching ZZZX or yourself NJ. We have over five days left, and my stances on whom I am scum are clear (to my knowledge) so explain to me why I should feel such an immense pressure to place my vote right now.
I want to know what's going on with you and why you're not voting ZZZX.
I want to know why it's so important to you.
In post 251, Jordan_Downey wrote:We have four days. That's a point I'm fairly comfortable with where we are at now. I'm just concerned with the replacements. Always gives me concerns where there is a replace in. They've obviously read the thread by their own accord and have yet to make any sort of posts.
Honestly Espresso continued lack of activity even after being put to l-2 makes me even more happy with lynching this slot, and I'd gladly have people sheep me there.
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In post 262, FakedBlogger wrote:In post 255, Espressojet wrote:I want to know why it's so important to you.
You're making it get important by dodging a legitimate question like that? Are you scum?
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In post 242, Espressojet wrote:Forum ate my post last night and I got a prod, great.
I'd be fine lynching ZZZX or yourself NJ.We have over five days left, and my stances on whom I am scum are clear (to my knowledge) so explain to me why I should feel such an immense pressure to place my vote right now.
Just gonna put this here for you so you can have the pleasure of reading it again.-
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In post 269, aphix wrote:In post 264, Espressojet wrote:In post 242, Espressojet wrote:Forum ate my post last night and I got a prod, great.
I'd be fine lynching ZZZX or yourself NJ.We have over five days left, and my stances on whom I am scum are clear (to my knowledge) so explain to me why I should feel such an immense pressure to place my vote right now.
Just gonna put this here for you so you can have the pleasure of reading it again.
If it's clear to you who is scum. Why not participate in the game and help others become clear? Help generate discussion? Or be scum motivated and help build town apathy and let the day ride out hopefully into a speed lynch on town, or a nl. Good plan.
I was saying that it was clear who I THOUGHT was scum, as I've stated it multiple times, and my cases against them.
The reason I'm not voting is because I don't want a lynch to happenright now. Why do so when we can squeeze some more information out of everyone and, on the chance of a mislynch, hopefully give the vengekill more guiding information to help us find scum. Of course, now that we have three days left, seeing the activity of the game as it stands, NOW would be an appropriate time to cast out a vote.
Of course, damned if you do, damned if you don't. Now if I wanted to have voted with all this upcoming pressure and nearly half of the current town's discussion (as little of it as there is) being focused on the fact that "OMGZ HURRDURRSPRESSOJET ISN'T VOTING SO HE MUST BE SCUMM" I would have been charged with the fact that I was simply voting to get the pressure off me because "I don't want them to find out that I'm scum".
But whatever, fuck it.
VOTE: ZZZX
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