Micro 365 - ALL YEAR LONG haha see what i did there (over)

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Dr Pants

confirmed scum

what if he's miller

[Xayzeck]

its a

mystery

lol

do you have a buddy?

[Xayzeck]

I have many friends

vote me and we can do a triangle voting thingy wouldn't that be cool

jk that's lame

VOTE: Pants

[Xayzeck]

since you know, self votes don't count in this setup

where did you get that from

[Xayzeck]

@maru Pants hasn't really interacted with the group, just me

I think he's done more out of the group, what does that say to you?

[Xayzeck]

PoE scumreads arent anything big

But what bugs me is she thinks there's 1 scum in our group

So could be that because she's the 1 scum, she's playing with that mindset, and got quick with the PoE

[Xayzeck]

this game blew up when I wasn't around

ugh

[Xayzeck]

And now Pants lost his town read.

79 says in layman's terms "i think you're scum because i already committed myself to buddying xayzeck and called him town so i can't call maruchan town he must be scum"

you were buddying pants too

and you called pants town and said I couldn't be town too

[Xayzeck]

Xay was playing with his balls on page 1.

quit spying on me in my room you little shit

[Xayzeck]

Pants is now scum, xay is still null

the whole self meta that happens here is bad, and you guys should feel bad

but this thing right here

you said Pants town, therefore Xay scum, even if Xay was null in reality, Xay would be scum.

You now say Pants scum, Xay null. Why is Xay not town? Are you positioning yourself to shift tunnels if Pants flips town? Because, if you are town, and Pants is scum, that would make me town.

pls explain

[Xayzeck]

Well pick one and vote them lol.

Pants, youre making me doubt my read on you. Stahp.

i think otherwise actually

[Xayzeck]

Well pick one and vote them lol.

Pants, youre making me doubt my read on you. Stahp.

I don't fucking see the Pants case

In fact he's been climbing up the town ladder for me

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sorry didn't mean to quote that in 104

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@Espressojet Why did you call Xayzeck out on his 'hammer' but not sns

Prolly because he found out it wasnt a hammer

[Xayzeck]

haaaaahhhhhhh

so many posts since I was last here

I'll catch up in about an hour

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Xay can you indeed catch up and please tell me your townread on pants has gone away?

Nope.

It's still there.

VOTE: Maru

Since I didn't do that the last time I was here.

I'm just about sick and tired of seeing just EVERYBODY go "pants is scum", and not even TRY to explain it. Pants has explained his thought process, but I don't think I've come across ONE substantial post adding to the Pants case.

I still don't fucking see it, and apparently NOBODY cares enough to detail that to me.

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Note the first quote, where he specifically mentions how selfvoting gambit helps him get a read on the two people in his group *because he'd played with them before*

Then in the second he says the selfvote was *completely independant of who was in his group* so it would help him get a read on people he HADN'T played with before.

I'm confused

which is it?

the theory is independent of who is in my group. the decision to do it was based on the fact that I have played with almost the entire player list

I dont get why this is an issue

HI

YES

THANK YOU

IT ISN'T AN ISSUE AT ALL

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PANTS-SCUM, WHY ARE WE DISCUSSING THIS? I DON'T GET IT

Are you just trying to pile mindless suspicion on him for no decent reason?

Just because his posts aren't very clear?

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Now I am going to wait here until SOMEONE comes around and tells me what's so scum motivated in Dr Pants' posts right now, BECAUSE I DON'T SEE ANYTHING.

FUCK, HE LOOKS PERFECTLY TOWN.

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Because he's detailing his thoughts clearly, he's got nothing to hide

Maru has explain nothing

Maru 180'd shitsplit fast, and I don't think has even replied me since I was last here. Mostly her iso has been this dumbtunnel on pants that doesn't even seem to develop the read that much

Pants is actively interacting with players inside and outside of his group

And ya, homework has me in a shit mood

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Xay, you should check in here before hammer and actually read pants's posts in more detail than 'interacts with others' and 'is transparant'. Please.

Hi.

Maybe you should read a little better.

And tell me how everything he has JUST posted

Is scum motivated?

And look at Maru

Defending ac

Tell me that's fucking stupid

Because it is

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Well, I agree townreading your group should be examined and if it's unwarranted, it could be considered a scumtell. But if it is warranted, it just is warranted, big deal. And I don't see why I cannot scumhunt outside my group. Go poke at something else.
-Tier

You don't seem very open to the idea of discussing things with Pants.

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i also still have no idea why people scumread pants

you have asked why i townread him

i have told you

now stop saying "pants is scum" and talk about the "because ..."

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@Xay, AGAIN:

@Xay:
Dr Pants has just been overly 'look at me being town', as evidenced in posts 26 31 91. He hasn't actually done anything useful after helping this game out of RVS and has applied shit towntells/scumtells, as in 91 and the one on maru.

But most of all, everything he has done seems too deliberately thought out. Not in a town way. Even if his thought process is stable, it's one hard to follow and one that just feels made up beforehand.

And his latest posts are just spewing a bit of WIFOM with untrue facts. Unnecessary and scummy.

Maru's latest post shows genuine thought process even though the reasoning is not very good.
-Tier

You said it yourself, he has applied scumtells/towntells, it's just that you think their shit. Is that not being useful, even slightly?

You say that Maru shows genuine thought process with bad reasoning. Wouldn't that be the same as Pants? Both having shit reads? What's the difference there?

How is it WiFom? Because he is discussing ideal scum play, that is directly linked to setup speculation, and if anything, is setup speculation that is most close related to and will be able to aid us the most in this game, it's WiFom?

It's setup spec that helps analyze play and motives behind actions, figuring out the ideal scum play and checking if anybody else seems to be following similar motives is a way to find scum, and could work well to our favour. Of course, not every scum plays ideally, but is this not being useful? How is this unnecessary and scummy? I don't get it.

How is genuine thought process so towntelling, that you can ignore bad reasoning?

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Why do people want this day to end prematurely? I could end it at anytime but we have over a week left.
Xay, what could I do to convince you that Pants is scum?

Scum motivation.

Forced towniness is not scum motivation.

I, as town, have done things just to be obvtown, without actually contributing to scumhunting much. It gives me freedom to relax and freely interact with people without having to worry about my image and getting lynched early game.

Not getting mislynched is always good, don't you agree?

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If Espresso, Maru, and Sns are all town, then I'm going to get easily mislynched tomorrow and we will lose.

IF they flip town, is something you should be thinking about.

I'm fuck-all-certain that won't be the case

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That aside though, I would be down for the plan.

Except I'm not a big fan of lynching town when I could be lynching scum.

All that's needed is to wait for the rest of the playerlist to pop in to realize you're town, and we can get rid of this "oh i'm getting lynched tomorrow", because that's not going to happen anyway.

[Xayzeck]

That's a terrible idea. What are you trying to do?

Do you still think it's a bad idea and why?

[Xayzeck]

I think I'm down for xayzeck over pants by this point.

How did your Pants scumread dissolve so darn quick?

[Xayzeck]

I dont, but a lynch on you was very likely and met little resistance. It would have been disastrous for you and your partner if you were scum. So unless your partner gave zero shits about losing you (unlikely since scum has day talk), your lynch would be at least debated.

IF Espresso is town, scum would let this flow.

IF Espresso is scum, he's lynchbait anyway for the slips, and any resistance to that would draw so much suspicion. You should recognize that, even if you think he'll flip town, if you redirect the lynch onto another town it puts Espresso in a bad spot, and the next day he's going to get mislynched unless he suddenly becomes the beacon of towniness this game. And mislynching tomorrow is far from ideal.

I think his slips are just hardderps more than anything, and I can't concretely say scum or town, though it definitely leans scum. The problem is, the way he reacts to his slips isn't something I'd expect from scum, so I'm slightly town about it. Did he cover up quickly and that well? Or is he really just town?

Scumbuddy would gain more out of bussing than helping to shift wagons onto someone else, me thinks.

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This is semi true, the thing that lets scum shift wagons is that they can delay the lynches. You saw what happened in Naz/Sns/N_M, N_M was the lynch for most of the day until Naz changed his mind. Time alone changes wagons, which is also why Ac's "what's the hurry we have a week" comment is super scummy

Wouldn't this imply that the lynches we had were on at least 1 scum then? If you are aware of this, why have you taken it upon yourself to shift the wagons?

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because since he unvote'd, he's been towntelling the shit out of himself

And the play before he unvoted? Have the problems you had with those dissolved?

[Xayzeck]

Its possible that there was scum on one of the lynched. But I don't really have a way of knowing, so I'd rather follow my reads.

From your analysis, you should be reading ac as trying to buy time to shift the wagon off his scumbuddy, no? I'm uncomfortable that you probably know this is the case, yet you're completely for it.

Your plan is great, it makes no sense coming from scum, but maybe that's what's gonna fuck us up.

The problem is, Naz and ac aren't the towmiest here, so this plan obviously points to Pantstown.

And yet, I'm still slightly bothered with the plan.

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And yet the beauty of the plan only comes true if YOU decide the lynches alone

[Xayzeck]

read through Ac's ISO and tell me what you think. IMO, he's a much better lynch than Espresso or Salamance

I think Sala is town, idk why. Maybe because everybody else has said he's town, but I haven't put significant effort into reading outside of our group.

I know Espresso has slipped a ton, but honestly I don't find it very towntelling? He seems to have bounced back after the lynch, which I like.

I can see ac being scum, but I'll to compare ISOs and firm that up soon. Possible ac/maru? Or ac/sns? He seems to be more focused on getting me to vote you though, so possible the former.

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yeah. I know, its pretty selfish.

but given how dangerous it is for me to be alive with so many people scum reading me, I figured the best thing to do would be to at least take down my top scum reads with me

I get your plan and what you're trying to achieve, and since you came up with him I'm sure you do too.

Which is why I don't understand why you're letting the sns/NM/Naz group decide their own lynch.

The beauty of the plan is that it's town motivated on your part, this makes no sense if you're scum, unless your buddy is competent and universally townread, and is prepared to carry the game. If that isn't the case, you're probably town willing to sacrifice yourself, while you get to decide the other 2 lynches.

The moment you let a group decide on their own, you allow scum to influence the lynches, that otherwise would be free of scum motivation. Which is why I'm also slightly hesitant to talk about these lynches with you. If you open it to discussion, scum could just manipulate you into mislynching, and nobody is going to oppose it because it's at the price of your head, and ultimately your decision.

I don't know if this makes any sense to you, but I'm saying you should enforce the lynches on your own.

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Dr Pants' proposal on page 17 is ridiculous. I'd be okay with trading lynching myself in exchange for Pants - but lynching obvtown/better player than me Naz in exchange would be pretty foolish. And why should we let scum dictate lynches?

Why is everyone townreading Pants for something that is so obviously engineered to create the townread? Seriously?!? He knew it would never actually happen...Come on folks.

Except this plan makes absolutely NO FUCKING SENSE if Pants is scum.

How blind are you? Heck, if you still stubbornly think Pants is scum, you should be ALL FOR the plan

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You say you'd trade your head for Pants'

Why are you voting Espresso then? Shouldn't you wait for your group to vote you?

[Xayzeck]

VOTE: Pants

Requested and delivered

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Xay, why were you so willing to hammer yesterday?

Was I willing to lynch Pants? No, he was my townread.

But I put a lot of thought into his plan, the benefits and losses it would give town, the lynches that we were dealing with, especially with the ac lynch, and ultimately decided I would follow it even if I had to lynch my townread.

Maru would not vote Pants, despite having townread-then-scumread-then-townread him, and seemed to be set on me. Pants was dedicated to his plan, and wouldn't vote me or Maru. So I held the hammer, so I hammered Pants and helped him carry his plan through.

I'm not sure where you're getting the impression I was so willing to hammer, because I wasn't.

[Xayzeck]

1. Scum either WIFOM'd Xay. My guess is that he is scum, because if he isn't...
2. Espresso WIFOM'd the scumslip to buy towncred, because he knew that I would noobtown read him?
3. I'm town, and I'd hope my group is the town group.

Walk me through on 2., I'm not sure I'm following.

If you can't attach an alignment onto the slip, why don't you read it as null?

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Pants' lynch did not benefit us at all.

And from my perspective at least one of you and Naz has to be scum and I have a solid townread on Naz so...

Pants wasn't voting anyone else, and he made that pretty clear. And I understood that.

That means, unless Maru self voted, I would have to lynch Pants.

I don't wanna be captain obvious right now, but I kinda have to.

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Hihihihi

[Xayzeck]

I really have to sit down and reevaluate this, since my reads are all fucked right now

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If Xay gets replaced out, hes mafia

I don't see why this is the case? So if i don't replace out I'm town?

[Xayzeck]

Convince me that you are the town group.

basically that is convince you i'm town

which would be nice if i knew why you thought i was scum

[Xayzeck]

so sad we couldn't do xay/sala that would've been so good

gg all

[Xayzeck]

you ruined my 100% win rate

because you suuuuuuck <3

[Xayzeck]

I'm not sure why I died, I still think I looked scummier than Sal...

sal wanted NM dead you see