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In post 0, Cheery Dog wrote:Dead
Cherry Dog - Misspelt Mod - Died due to being spelled wrongly.
LOL at this.
Anyway, given mp5's newbie I suggest a utility lynch b/c I can't read him.
VOTE: mp5
I skimmed a recent completed newbie game of MP5's. He doesn't look all that inscrutable.
In post 31, MP5 wrote:Actually, I was thinking it would actually help town ...
Because the game is nightless, every kill is town controlled. If we happen to lynch a townie, then we should at least cast preferences as to who they should venge kill. Of course, they can always ignore it, but it does give us another measure of voting and influencing control of a kill which can be analysed later as well ...
5/2/2 normally would be horribly scum-sided, but this mechanic lets us fight back imo.
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Post #37 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:15 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 35, JasonWazza wrote:That isn't the most towny post, that is just setup speculation in which it's just poor, we don't need setup spec right now cause it's pointless at this point.
Not setup spec. We know the setup. It's the start of a strategy discussion. Town succeeding in this setup is going to require good strategy, I think.
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Post #39 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:23 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
It will absolutely require scumhunting and townhunting.
Lynched townies can treat this as essentially a second opportunity for bandwagon analysis by demanding votes on who they should shoot, whether they take the consensus on board or go with their own reads.
In post 31, MP5 wrote:Actually, I was thinking it would actually help town ...
Because the game is nightless, every kill is town controlled. If we happen to lynch a townie, then we should at least cast preferences as to who they should venge kill. Of course, they can always ignore it, but it does give us another measure of voting and influencing control of a kill which can be analysed later as well ...
5/2/2 normally would be horribly scum-sided, but this mechanic lets us fight back imo.
^^ Most towny post of the game so far.
- f
Disagree. Having to vengekill is pretty much our failure to correctly lynch despite supposedly 50% odds (no one is gonna vote for themselves, so a townie correctly lynching is 50%).
And venge is always (scum = town - 1) so it's somewhat a mitigating factor.
I won't bother commenting on the venge-shot directing as my personal beliefs might not apply to all.
Perfect town wins are awesome when they happen. I don't count on them.
But, I see your point. I still think the post totally comes from a town mindset.
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Post #131 (isolation #7) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 3:44 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
Synch achieved.
I don't like the Katsuki wagon. Syr is so-so about it.
Scummy: We agree that Jake, Seanald and Wisdom look scummy. Of the three, Wisdom looks the worst.
Syr agrees with me that MP5 is looking pretty towny.
So, Wisdom: The two things that stood out about him the most is the "oh right" reaction when Jake quoted Katsuki's post about updating role pms, as though that post was a huge ah ha. Then he pressured JKMatthews to vote someone who said they'd shoot one of his scumreads.
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Post #205 (isolation #14) » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:46 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 202, Jake from State Farm wrote:I can tell you right now ffly (part of the drift hydra) isn't playing like the ffly I just played with her. She was much more vocal in that game, this game not so much, hence why I had a scum read on her day 1
idk who the other head is, maybe it's syrana? fuck I can't keep track of all her hydras, but if it's syrana, I don't see he/she playing like they did in that game either.
p.edit - I have seen town fall for that emo bullshit before, i'm not falling for it Siv. luckily you have other players you can try it on.
Syryana has not posted in this thread yet. We'll get another chance to synch up later tonight or tomorrow. Hopefully a longer chance. Because this game was his idea. I hate nightless games and would not be playing this one on my own.
Except I am playing it on my own for the most part.
After the absurd amount of bickerish posting in the Buzzword Bingo game, I'm striving for less is more in my own posting. It probably won't last. It's not the first time I've resolved to post less.
Anyway, I am serious about needing to figure you out. Your posting in this game is different too. I don't particularly want to get into shouting matches or endless no u's. I just want to know if you are town. If you are, then you know I won't go after you and in fact will argue against it with people who do.
In post 183, Wisdom wrote:If Katsuki flips town and I die as well look for scum in {Jake, Siveure, Seanald} Maybe Rift Adrift
Noted. This list makes me doubt a little that you are scum. But...2 scum teams.
Jake, this was my reaction. Wisdom's reads, and the fact that he posted them at all had me doubting he would flip scum. It was already in stone at that point.
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Post #223 (isolation #19) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:14 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 222, Jake from State Farm wrote:to clarify, you said JK was town because of his response to wisdom, that response being faked is what I am referring to in 221
I don't think the JK response to wisdom was faked. I read your argument. I don't buy it right now.
Will answer the Jason question in a separate post.
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Post #232 (isolation #23) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 10:58 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 153, JasonWazza wrote:This reads as fake, how can you get "Godfather vibes" when really, Godfathers will act a lot similar to just Mafia Goons, with a partner they can willingly lynch, goons are the ones that would seem scummy for defending.
Godfather numero uno
In post 141, Seanald wrote:^ only reasons we need. Call me a sheeper I dont care, I'm in complete agreement with jake.
Godfather numero dos
In post 157, Siveure DtTrikyp wrote:W/E it seems everyone wants to lynch katsuki and I don't really know what to say so BLATANT QUICKHAMMER FTW.
p.edit - ok I get the Mp5 town read as I read him as town also, but you give absolutely no reason why jason is a town read and I don't fully buy your town read on JK cause that could easily be faked since we have 2 scum reads.
but fair enough, explain your town read on jason - I have him as null and as far as i can tell you are the only one town reading him.
And lets suppose you're right and you are town and you get mislynched, don't you think its important to make sure you venge scum and avoid town? Here, they're the same thing.
We need to get one of the godfathers today. Syr, my hydra partner thinks he has it figured out, and I've looked things over and agree with him.
The three town players also have to stick together. Someone from the opposite scum team
will
vote with us in time, hoping to garner some town cred and make the next lynch a mislynch.
It doesn't have to be Jason first. But it does need to be one of the quiet scum.
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Post #246 (isolation #27) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:36 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 243, MP5 wrote:Jason, try again please, I'm not in to lynch rift, and I don't agree with your reasoning as to why he's scum about as much as I disagree with the "if you were town, you'd realise the danger" reasoning you had on wisdom back in 153.
Rift, of those two I'm more down with seanald than Jason right now. I'm still undecided as to who is scummier out of Jason and Jake, and that's a bridge I'd like to save crossing until I need to. I'm hoping we'll hit a gf and their goon will die too, if that decision isn't made for us I'll reconsider after I've seen some flips.
We do need a consensus of at least the three town and one opposing Mafia, or failing that two and two (with either both opposing Mafia on board, or a bus from the gf)
I'm happy for this then:
VOTE: seanald
Siv, is seanald a lynch you can support?
Jake, Jason, jk, same question.
Lets talk it out before a hasn't though
Syry and I were discussing whether to switch to seanald earlier, so I will go ahead and
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Post #248 (isolation #28) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:43 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 245, Jake from State Farm wrote:I feel like rift detects a little blood in the water and thinks she can pluck off town. It makes no sense that her "weak" town read all of a sudden is the GF and the only thing she can come up with is 1 post & his inactivity?
siv/rift both need pressure. both are guilty of something that makes no sense from a town perspective.
p.edit - I could see myself joining a seanald lynch at some point but prefer siv or rift first
My game changes a little as a hydra, and how it changes depends on who I am partnering with.
The first lynch was a fucking disaster for town and it happened so quickly and with no discussion at all about who to shoot.
I can't necessarily prevent another crap lynch, but I am sure as hell going to try to get a better one this time. And I'm in agreement with Syry about the likely mafia teams.
You haven't convinced me you are town. It's going to take more than calling yourself obvtown.
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Post #249 (isolation #29) » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:45 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 247, MP5 wrote:Reads to me more like the two heads of the hydra had a disagreement, f was seeing things one way and s comes in and changes that read.
Jake, does that mean you think Jason is town?
Not really a disagreement. Syry had his first real opportunity to catch up with the game thread since before Katsuki's lynch. I've not tried to figure out the mafia teams on my own. I was focused more on figuring out who I don't want lynched or shot.
In post 253, Jake from State Farm wrote:having been in a hydra (still being in one) I fucking talk to my partner IN THE QT and we come to an agreement together before shitting up the thread. I had issues with you in the last game and now I am seeing the same issues here.
please you are 1 slot with 2 players, you still have to act like 1 slot. get on the same page before you post please.
No. Absolutely not. We're not shitting up the thread so fuck off with that crap.
We're discussing the game outside this thread when Syr is available, and I'm playing on my own when he isn't. Hopefully we will be able to play more seamlessly after this weekend.
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Post #268 (isolation #33) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:45 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
I still think you are scum, Siv, but I will spell this out anyway.
You've just articulated why it matters, IMO. Right now, town is oiutnumbered 3-4 and doesn't have full control of the vote - at least one scum has to be on the bandwagon for it to go through.
If we lynch a godfather, then after that we'll be at 3-2 and will have control of the next lynch vote. If we lynch a goon, then we are at 3-3 and once again need a mafia vote for a bandwagon to go through.
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Post #269 (isolation #34) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 7:47 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
^^ this is why scum on team x will want to vote a goon on team y if a town lynch can't be had, btw. And that's what I am seeing in the current vote spread.
It's possible. It's naive to think a GF is only going to try and play 1 way.
It's possible, but is it likely that a GF's play would be this scummy if he could do otherwise? And there is another GF out there. If you are town, then you should be trying to find one of them, not bitching about my non-existant thread-shitting-up.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #284 (isolation #39) » Sat Jun 15, 2013 2:51 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
right it wasn't an obvious reference from the miller you talked about lynching off and on for 50 plus pages. that is both weak and grudge based. the irony is sweet.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #303 (isolation #41) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 12:56 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
I
have not lied. Your complaint is with Syr. His fakequote was a a joke. Not one I would have made because 1) mafia is srs bznz and 2) you are severely lacking in a sense of humor.
I wish I could believe this is town-Jake outrage. I don't.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #305 (isolation #42) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:20 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
Nope. Town-you has always attacked me via my partners, not directly. You are different this game. You're scum and you're not even trying to show me otherwise because you need another mislynch.
If you succeed, we are going to do some damage to scum on our way out.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #317 (isolation #45) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 2:50 pm
Postby Rift Adrift »
syr-rift poked Jake about his miller stance in the buzzword bingo micro game that just finished. Syr was one of the millers in question. Jake is pushing that as a serious, malicious misquote for all he's worth.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #343 (isolation #48) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 8:51 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
No update. Syr has not been online. I have not said you are a goon, and I still think you are a GF. I self-ISOed to see if I could find a post that could be interpreted as me or Syr thinking you are a goon, and didn't find one.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
Jake, point me to the posts and stuff that show why Rift is a Godfather. Rift, do the same for Seanald.
Syr did the analysis and it had to do with the lack of townish content in seanald's early posts and the extremely low quantity. jasonwazza's content was slightly better but very bad compared to MP5 and the content of your predecessor's post. Quantity-wise, jkmatthews was really low, though.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
Other games your hydras work closely and know what the other is thinking. This one feels like Dr. Jeckle & Mr. Hyde. You call Jk town, syrana calls him scum shortly after.
It's not like what I know
Syr's been out of pocket and traveling except for a couple of very short periods of time since this game started. We talked for a short time on Saturday. He expected to be back online today, but mentioned he was getting sick just before we signed off.
If you guys do hammer, then settle down for a wait. I won't choose a target without talking it over with him. And I'll be demanding input from every player about who you think we should shoot. We will damn sure make our shot count both for more "bandwagon analysis" and for taking out scum.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
Rift - in a team of Jake/Jason, who would be the Godfather?
Leaning Jason. I think Jake is trying to to piss us off and draw an emotion-based vote now/shot later in the event we decide to go for that scum team. He's been poking at me, not assessing my alignment.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
If you were town I am pretty sure you'd be able to tell that I am too, whether you would admit it or not. And you have always done the right thing when push came to shove when we've played in other games.
In the past you've voted me out of petulance regarding my partners, not out of tactics, which told us all we needed to know about your alignment.
This vote reeks of tactics.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #369 (isolation #53) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:25 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 362, Jake from State Farm wrote:You were slight town til your partner lied. Since there's no town motivation to lie like that, it makes you the obvious GF. GF has to appear town. Your contrabutions haven't been like they have in other games also. Basically YOUR play, is different.
MP5 had no trouble figuring out the basis for that deliberate misquote. Syr was poking fun at you. Anyone who looks at the buzzword bingo game will see the same thing - your policy re millers, your pages of crap about Syr' miller claim. The dumb fight between you and b. And the eventual outcome.
It's absolutely within your town meta to put down a petulant vote over being poked fun at. What is not within your town meta is to use it as a smokescreen for not seriously scumhunting.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
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Post #372 (isolation #54) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 10:45 am
Postby Rift Adrift »
In post 370, Klick wrote:Rift, I think it's a good idea to lynch Jake now. He'll be hard to lynch later if he makes it to LyLo, and right now he has a really high chance of being scum.
I don't think he will be hard to lynch at all. He's already started one bandwagon that resulted in a town death. Two town deaths considering that katsuki shot from the hip instead of taking some time and trying to make sure the shot was well aimed.
If Syr disagrees and thinks Jake is the best lynch I will go along with that.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
In post 362, Jake from State Farm wrote:You were slight town til your partner lied. Since there's no town motivation to lie like that, it makes you the obvious GF. GF has to appear town. Your contrabutions haven't been like they have in other games also. Basically YOUR play, is different.
MP5 had no trouble figuring out the basis for that deliberate misquote. Syr was poking fun at you. Anyone who looks at the buzzword bingo game will see the same thing - your policy re millers, your pages of crap about Syr' miller claim. The dumb fight between you and b. And the eventual outcome.
It's absolutely within your town meta to put down a petulant vote over being poked fun at. What is not within your town meta is to use it as a smokescreen for not seriously scumhunting.
But you didn't direct that directly to me. You were talking to others in that same post.
Suppose I hammered and he flipped town, what Next? Just like bulder's fake claim if doctor that lead to his lynch, you too have to pay the price. Lying or pretending to lie and claiming its a joke, idk what's the truth.
In context there's nothing to imply its a joke.
You are the player in this game who has no question whatsoever about the context that made it a joke at your expense. You are hoist by your own petard.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,
In post 370, Klick wrote:Rift, I think it's a good idea to lynch Jake now. He'll be hard to lynch later if he makes it to LyLo, and right now he has a really high chance of being scum.
I don't think he will be hard to lynch at all. He's already started one bandwagon that resulted in a town death. Two town deaths considering that katsuki shot from the hip instead of taking some time and trying to make sure the shot was well aimed.
If Syr disagrees and thinks Jake is the best lynch I will go along with that.
You still never explained how I'm the one to blame for that lynch or the venge kill.
I never called for the hammer. Wisdom/seabass did.
Blaming me for 2 deaths is complete horsecrap
I believe town-you would have known that was a crap lynch based on who jumped on it and how fast it was moving to hammer. The fact that you sat there and watched it speaks volumes.
Syryana and fferyllt: doing nothing but tunneling while giving virtually no other reads worth anything. Also, puppies.
If it were that simple, if it were only that simple, we would never have called you in about it, Rydra Wong. -- Samuel R. Delany,