Chaos Diplomacy FINISHED! Who were the survivors?

[Save The Dragons]

I'm interested in a French

please don't kill me

non-aggression pact.

Alternatively, please let me know what the rules are for moving my country to my fleet and just having a bunch of party boats sailing the North Atlantic forever.

[Save The Dragons]

1. @Brest (STD): Where's your head in this? Are you in favor of one side or another? Or are you neutral to the northern conflict? Your fleet is an important part of this, and it could influence my actions.

what northern conflict

I'm important? uh oh.

Lokiben: yeah you can take mid Atlantic ocean

Fen/Brest: we should work together to push you forwards and build off of that in the future. Does that sound good to you? Unless you have other plans.

what does this mean

I don't actually know how to play diplomacy

[Save The Dragons]

this game is both exciting and terrifying at the same time

[Save The Dragons]

Hey D3f I'm cool with not attacking each other. I mean I have a fleet anyway so it's pretty much me asking you not to attack Brest when I move my fleet somewhere potentially.

[Save The Dragons]

@Random

Your post reads: 'I want to ally with GB, but I'll follow what you do, Klick' which means you're not planning to ally with GB and you are on Klick's side, is this correct?

[Save The Dragons]

I guess if he's moving into the Baltic it doesn't even matter.

My options seem to be move into the English channel and get bounced out by you, move into the English channel and not get bounced, stay put, or break my word to Lokiben and go into Mid Atlantic Ocean. The only one I'm not doing for sure is the last one. I guess I'm putting some trust into Lokiben and D3f at this point. That leaves either moving into the channel with your help/supporting you, bouncing you out of it, or sitting tight. It seems like there's a higher number of people against you at the moment.

What questions did you ask DeathNote besides which side am I picking?

[Save The Dragons]

You answered most of what i asked so let's move on.

I am actually ok with you moving into the English channel if we can maintain good terms. Yes the numbers are against us both that includes countries that have no costal presence. We are not really that outnumbered assuming Gale isn't against us.

Short answer: move into the English channel but only if you are doing so with the intention of helping next round.

Also make sure Paris has your back.

Ok, I'm going to go into the English Channel, I'm fine maintaining good terms.

I believe Paris has my back, I'm hoping that backstabbing someone turn one is going to last the entire game which is incentive enough not to do it but it may not be.

[Save The Dragons]

Lok and D3f it would be swell if you guys decided not to attack my temptingly empty home base again this turn. Or if you do, please both do it and bounce off of each other.

My arguement being I somehow got involved in one of the 4 or 5 major conflicts so I'm not contesting either of you and unless you are thinking "I really want to do whatever the hell STDs doing, just two turns slower" or you want the supply early which is pretty understandable I'd like to keep working together.

[Save The Dragons]

DN, that sounds good, assuming STD agrees.

I'm in if D3f's in

[Save The Dragons]

DeathNote

Look up

[Save The Dragons]

Where is N ultimately headed?

[Save The Dragons]

Klick i don't honestly see how picking either side ends the conflict faster.

There are also 4 of you and 3 lands in britain. How do I get land for being the straggler to your cause?

I'm also at D3fs mercy no matter what I want to do and he's not come on this round. And I don't know how invested Loki is with either side but I am pro Portugal. He might only be interested in GB because it's closer but I don't really know if GB can actually lift a finger to help either me or Portugal if we were threatened with Klick and friends targetting them.

[Save The Dragons]

I said "ultimately" :p

[Save The Dragons]

He probably should. I have no qualms with germany but if you both did take out d3f there is little I can do to keep from dying if I invest myself in the northern conflict.

[Save The Dragons]

Hey Loki are you and I cool?

[Save The Dragons]

D3f I'm confirming I'm going into pic unless you become adverse in the next few hours

[Save The Dragons]

I have nothing against MedAgree I'm not that close geographically to them until they spread to you.

[Save The Dragons]

DN I'm concerned about MedAgree if Loki and Ani are bleeding their colors and Aronis continues his westardly path and is bounced by the invisible wall at the edge of the map he's going to come knocking soon with friends.

[Save The Dragons]

Loki what are you going to do now?

[Save The Dragons]

Everyone here seems to be operating under the delusion that the purpose of a huge alliance like the MedAgree is anything other than defeating everyone else on the board.

4 hours ago MedAgree couldn't kill me this turn

Now if they wanted to they could

so

[Save The Dragons]

I'm still going to do it, if I lose then it's been real

But I hope you remember spring, Loki

Loki: I want to go to mao
STD: sure whatever idk wth i'm doing

what a beautiful friendship

[Save The Dragons]

Ani where is your head at?

[Save The Dragons]

I was interested in taking Belgium

With brest exposed I am eager to get a foothold somewhere else.

[Save The Dragons]

You are vying for it along with ani and I?

Im not particular about Belgium. I just need to protect myself from elimination if I'm fighting far away from home is all.

[Save The Dragons]

I would be okay with taking Belgium and Holland and giving up Brest if Ani wants it.

I even can do a good impression of Holland's leader

[Save The Dragons]

Random: Perhaps you can support my invasion of holland in the fall if I nab Belgium in the spring?

[Save The Dragons]

I am willing to do either plan but if I can get two territories by year's end I would be very happy.

[Save The Dragons]

Aww fish nuggets.

[Save The Dragons]

I mean it is diplomacy but there's a difference between 7 players and 20 players. You're not wrong that this isn't a team game but having everyone say "yes" to something and then having me do something else isn't necessarily great for me when they surround me. Telling people they need to play for themselves doesn't mean that siding against 10 people and having 2 or 3 armies now is somehow better than having 1 for now and having people willing to support you. Yeah, it's a risk but judging from how many times you tell people that I think people are willing to take that risk.

Also even if I did bounce ani it'll take me a while to get a new territory with my fleet so I'm not sure how that helps me anyway.

[Save The Dragons]

I'm guessing ani doesn't want to wait until next year to take brest:P but i may as well ask.

[Save The Dragons]

I think his last post suggests he's doing something else.

I'd like Belgium so I would not mind your support into Belgium unless Gale comes back and wants to do the convoy.

[Save The Dragons]

I have 2 turns to take it so i can wait but I think that was the new plan.

[Save The Dragons]

TBO anything i can do to convince you to let me take holland next year?

[Save The Dragons]

My expectation of giving up my homeland was to get 2 centers, not to just keep relocating. I am concerned because I need to vacate one of the territories to gain the 2 units and if Holland is more defendable than Belgium is at the end of next years fall then I'm okay with that but if not I'm a little concerned.

[Save The Dragons]

@STD - You need Brest back. Taking Holland isn't an option as you can't build any new units with those supplies and thus unable to protect them. Either you go into PIC if Germany is willing to truce, or you support Snakes into PIC so we can retake Brest for you. If we do the second option, you won't be able to actually move into Brest in the next year which is disappointing.

If I take holland next fall while having belgium this fall, even if I'm not currently holding belgium, it will be under my control as long as no one else takes it. If I am misunderstanding the rules here then pretty much everything I've done is fucked up beyond repair.

If I move into PIC I am dead unless Ani's not in Brest. If Snakes takes brest, I'm still dead if I move into PIC. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the timeline of your moves.

This could also all be avoided if Ani wants to work with us but he's probably got to pick a side now.

[Save The Dragons]

If Loki takes Spain, does Ani taking brest resolve first or second? i.e. is Ani dead or left with one territory at Brest?

[Save The Dragons]

I'm uncomfortable with dying this turn.

[Save The Dragons]

I don't know how I can be any clearer - I am contesting Holland on behalf of the German/Scandinavian alliance. The Great Northern Alliance already has Belgium. You cannot have both of the low countries. If you want to keep expanding, turn around and take your homeland back. I won't sit here and let you sidle up to our backdoor while you keep giving up territory to the MedAgree. Any truce is contingent on Hol going to Germandinavia.

We can cross that bridge

after you've betrayed and killed N

when we get there.

[Save The Dragons]

If Loki takes Spain, does Ani taking brest resolve first or second? i.e. is Ani dead or left with one territory at Brest?

Even if he DOES do this, the MedAgree would jump on him so fast it wouldn't be worth it.

I'm not sure this is certain. Where exactly are the MedAgree units that would contest this? I don't think MedAgree serves either you or Loki but I could be wrong. I think you kind of want it both ways but if you go with MedAgree then I'm probably going to come over there and try to take my territory back which doesn't serve you much or you can hold out for an alliance that would probably give up territory if they tried to help you (I don't know who all is in MedAgree but I'm guessing not everyone in the giant clusterfuck of nations east of Italy is in MedAgree).

I'm also not saying Loki should do this, I wanted to know what the rules were. My question is moot because if ani dies from that then I die from ani being in brest otherwise.

[Save The Dragons]

Ani here's where Im at

You said you wanted Belgium. We were like well if you want to work with us (an alliance that included defender) we could just give you Brest and Ill take Belgium.

The next turn you proceed to go to your western medagree buddies and say let's take out defender, who is a member of my alliance.

Why did you think we would respond differently? Honest question I'm not trying to badger you but clearly you saw your behavior in a different light.

[Save The Dragons]

Also obligatory the medagree doesn't serve the 3 of you they barely talked to you until just now and they don't have time or resources to come help you. Even if the three of you bond and wipe us off the map don't pretend some alliance halfway across the world helped you.

[Save The Dragons]

So Ani, what do you want to do this round? You could support me into Paris and we can both gain a supply center. Plus, there's nothing that anybody can really do to stop us.

That works for me.

[Save The Dragons]

So why are you surprised we acted in response when we can't read your mind?

[Save The Dragons]

Like you can be mad for ruining your plan but I don't get why we are asshats from defending ourselves against a perceived betrayal.

Pedit i don't know what you should have done i dont have time for that I just have time to read the thread and that's what I saw. I'm sorry you feel betrayed but you are not going to convince me we struck first.

I'm not screaming for your head on a pike neither. Should we keep arguing about how we were supposed to assume what the other was doing, or would you be interested in mending things, or are you pretty sold on medagree?

[Save The Dragons]

STD: you and I support D3f to hold?

confirming

[Save The Dragons]

Diplomating to replace holland to try to kill me :p

[Save The Dragons]

Yay though im in a pretty bad position.

Forgive my previous post it was out of turn.

[Save The Dragons]

Im replacing out sorry