California Trilogy - Going to San Francisco (Game Over!)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Look to the Heavens.

Our Savior Cometh.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

quick mbl

bus somebody

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I am not going to do some stupid list, I think it's a total waste of time, I think you guys should man up and lynch somebody instead of using some BS list that leads to all sorts of useless shit later.

I hate lists, I hate condorcet, I haven't even read what our list voting rules are, but if they're condorcet I hate them and if they're not I still hate them.

Seriously people, this is Mafia, just lynch somebody, this scientific listy mumbo jumbo is great if everybody understood exactly how it workedll, but I honestly don't expect everyone to do so.

So just stop.

And vote Mach-Mafia.

It will make you so happy when he turns up scum.

It really will.

You want to be happy don't you?

vote Machiavellian-Mafia

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Bah.

I will clarify my position

I am NOT against players using lists.

I am NOT against players submitting Condorcets.

I am AGAINST players relying on a Condorcet count to provide the lynch.

I think we're better off lynching with the standard majority.

The reason I believe this is because I don't trust every player in this game to understand how condorcet works.

and I think it's easier for scum to manipulate a condo lynch than a normal majority lynch.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

That's my point.

In the first game we played with Condorcet, what I felt was that the town thought the existence of the Condorcet fallback option would allow them to NOT need to get majority for lynches.

It in effect made the town lazier, and many of them didn't understand how Condo worked or thought about how scum could manipulate condo.

That's why I want you guys to pretend this Condo-fallback option isn't around. Because I want to put pressure on this town to man up and actually lynch somebody with a 50%+ majority instead of lazily falling back on Condorcet.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

PRS LLC will formally forecast Xtoxm as Town, Mach-Mafi as Anti-town, Gaspar as Anti-town, BBmars as Anti-town.

PRS LLC also will put on its formal hold+ list NabNab and Niv.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is for recording purposes.

PRS LLC Official Opening Ratings:

Sell Now:
Gaspar

Sell+:
Mach-Mafia, BBmars

Sell:
None

Hold:
None

Hold+:
Nab, Niv, SensF

Buy:
None

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Was that Glork or Primate?

Quick. Don't even think about lying.

Tell me right now.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You a n00b?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dear Glorkspar,

I can smell evil

XOXO,
Pooks

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Dear GlorkSpar,

We are PRS LLC only put up our ratings after the most thorough analyses and rigorous simulations.

We firmly stand behind our projections and have highest confidence in the accuracy of our ratings system.

Our current rating techniques are protected under trade secrets and are in no way related to Anix.

XOXO,
Pookerrific

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

NEWS FLASH

PRS LLC has now updated their rating on FL to a SELL rating.
PRS LLC also downgrades Gaspar from Sell Now to Sell+

Stayed tuned to your local channels for more breaking updates on ratings from PRS LLC.

PRS LLC Official Ratings:

Sell Now:
None

Sell+:
Gaspar, Mach-Mafia, BBmars

Sell:
FaerieLord

Hold:
None

Hold+:
Nab, Niv, SensF

Buy:
None

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tho that is a really nice avatar picture.

yea

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

NEWS FLASH

PRS LLC has now updated their rating on Vollkan to a Hold+ rating.
PRS LLC also downgrades MichaelSaberHeart to a Hold+ rating

Stayed tuned to your local channels for more breaking updates on ratings from PRS LLC.

PRS LLC Official Ratings:

Sell Now:
None

Sell+:
Gaspar, Mach-Mafia, BBmars

Sell:
FaerieLord

Hold:
None

Hold+:
Nab, Niv, SensF, Michael Sableheart, Vollkan

Buy:
None

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Yo X you around right now?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Want to an entry level position at PRS LLC?

We are looking for goal oriented individuals to fill out internship positions.

have to have strong can-do attitude and pay high attention to detail.

Internship positions at PRS LLC offer a wide array of career advancement oppurtunities.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it means i will give you assignments for the sole purpose of benefitting the chances of this town winning. and you will follow them through to the best of your ability.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Here's one,

Explain your thought processes behind every post you have made so far into this game. Even if it seems obvious, detail carefully why you thought this way and also cite examples of you using such techniques in previously completed games where you were scum or town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok Niv.

Tell me in 200 words or less why you believe I am scum with Xtoxm.

Also explain what you believe the protown reaction to the events so far today are.

Explain to me also why you believe Xtox is scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

One)Why would scum decide to stage something like this?>

Two)What do you think a protown player in my position should do instead of what I have done? Since you feel that I am forming a scum link with him, what do you suppose a protown player would've done instead? Argue for why this move is superior to the move I have chosen.

3) How do you expect X to scumhunt? Do you believe he is not making a geniune effort? if so what evidence leads you to conclude this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Are you fucking seriouS?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

One) So you think it looks staged, but you can fthink of no reason why we would stage it?

Two) Do you think i geniunely dont care why he has done what he has done" I'm not quite sure why you think i am being disingenious.

Three) Again you bring up this geniune thing, how do you know he is being disingenious? What causes you to believe this? Do you think that if he were town and fustrated at being wagoned he would not act out the way he has?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hi FL.

Do you believe Niv is scum?

If you believe so, do you believe Xt is also scum?

How would Niv's scumminess effect Xt's scumminess?

What do you think the odds of Xt and Niv both being scum are?

We at PRS LLC have noticed a fine streak of strong writing from you, would you lik to join our fine staff on hand? This is a job offer, your starting position would be junior associate with the firm.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hello Michael.

What do you think the odds of Niv and X both being scum are?

I'd like to know because they're on top of your condorcet.

Which one do you think is more likely to be scum?

Why do you feel so ambivalent in your Niv vote? It sounds like you blame me for Niv's thoughts.

Do you?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How exactly does someone looking like an idiot make him dangerous as scum?

Frankly speaking I think the more dangerous scum are the type that sound smart, logical and have the ability to manipulate and control town actions.

I don't quite see how someone acting like an idiot would be a threat.

Tell me what evil motivation I may have for placing a 200 word restriction on him and I'll tell you what my actual motivation is.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well Glork, I thought it was fairly obvious the PRS LLC official ratings are a sort of tiered suspciion list. I like using tiers because tiers are harder for the scum to manipulate.

Lastly I am willing to lynch any player rated above a hold on my list(Sell Side),

So if any of those players reaches lynch minus one, I will be moving my vote to hammer.

So consider the count to lynch each of them to be decreased by one since I will be slamming down the hammer on any of them.

Please show up and make an active effort to get an actual lynch today.

I truly abhor Condorcet.


PRS LLC Official Ratings:

Sell Now:
None

Sell+:
Gaspar, Mach-Mafia, BBmars

Sell:
FaerieLord

Hold:
None

Hold+:
Nab, Niv, SensF, Michael Sableheart, Vollkan

Buy:
None

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

IF my style annoys you and you believe it is designed to mask a lack of contribution, then why would you choose to not ask me what you think my contribution is lacking in?

Like if you think I am trying to mask a "lack of contribution" then surely you must think I am failing to contribute in some area, and thus you want me to contribute and weigh in on something that I have not.

So why would you not tell me what you want me to contribute?

Do you want me to contribute or do you just want to kill me?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Or you guys could just man up, ditch condorcet and reach a bloody lynch?

Seriously guys. Condorcet honestly is so easily manipulated.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You think I don't have reasons?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well you know who i suspect, you know who i expect to be town, you know what I want to know from people?

Is my reasoning behind my suspicions/thoughts relevant?

If so, why?

Do you think I am doing this with no reasoning?

What would the purpose of that be?

For you to really believe that I have absolutely no reason and am just shooting my mouth off, I'd have to be such a horrible player that I could feel nothing about the game.

Do you believe that to be true?

Who exactly do you want to kill, the people who are scum or the people who are annoying or the people who are noncontributive to the game?

What are your priorities in this game Niv? do you want to catch scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

200 words is oversimplification?

Are you serious? This isn't rocket science we're doing here. You honestly think a 200 word argument is OVERSIMPLIFIED?

What could require more than 200 words to explain? And if he really needed more than 200 words, don't you think he'd just ignore the restriction?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

This is the first PRS LLC ratings report for Day 2, I know you guys are as excited as I am.



PRS LLC Official Ratings:

Sell Now:
None

Sell+:
Thesp, BBMars

Sell:
RogueBen

Hold:
Gaspar

Hold+:
Nab, Niv, SensF, Michael Sableheart, Vollkan

Buy:
None

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

vote Thesp

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I wanted to get on your good side, I'd be ranting up and down that you should die because you are a dirty dirty scumbag.

I know you love it when I talk dirty to you.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Your interaction with FL moved you to Hold

Thesp's actions near the end of Day One slid him to Sell+

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

X,

Do you think CKD has a role pm with "Innocent" as his alignment?

If yes,

Do you think he read this role pm?

If yes,

Do you think he simply forgot what was in his role PM?

If yes,

What makes you believe he forgot what was in his role PM?

Sorry for being somewhat leading, if you would rather explain your thought process on why you don't agree with Vollkan in a different way, I'm certainly open to it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Anything's possible, that ain't saying much.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have contributed my thoughts.

I've done so because I want to kill scum.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

My lists are how I rank people who I believe I have a feel for in this game.

It puts them in the group I believe them likely to be in.

Those are my thoughts on who is scum in this game, who is town in this game, and who I am unsure on.

The list is created from player actions, player interactions, my own gut feelings, and divine inspiration.

I'm not quite sure why you believe thought needs logic to be considered "thought".

I believe my thoughts certainly have been of a contributive nature to this town.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ok Vollkan

clearly we will have this discussion again.

Tell me what's wrong with how I've played this game, and I'll tell you why I've played it this way.

You say giving no clear reasons is bad, I say giving clear reasons early is bad. Let's roll.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There is nothing in my role that would cause a redirection

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I have been swamped by real life stuff.

I have not had the chance to reread what has happened in the thread.

This is a blatant bandwagon jump but I feel with it being so close to the deadline that I can't stand in the way of a lynch.

You have my apologies for this.

Again Sorry.

unvote

vote OMGL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

At what point did you get this impression?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Who is this?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Cut that out

it doesn't suit you MBL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hi Nab Nab

How are you today?

Whatcha think about the game?

Think we gonna win?

You scum?

Who's scum?

What did you eat for dinner?

What is your opinion of Gaspar?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Hi Niv

Do you always ask loaded questions?

do you think it's helpful?

KThxBai.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Show me a question worth answering and I'll answer it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

At the moment who do you think is most likely to be scum? Why?

See the latest PRS LLC Forecast

What did you make of Michel's day 2 hammer?

I think we should encourage people stepping up and hammering. I approve of the conviction with which the hammer was laid down, I disapprove of sissies who want to rely on condorcet.

Why do you think giving reasoning at this stage of the game is bad?

I never said giving reasons at this stage of the game was bad.

What is your opinion of Gaspar?

I am waffling again, his last comments about trusting MBL yesterday disturbs me greatly.

Would you say that this question

Pooky wrote:
What is your opinion of Gaspar?
is loaded?

No it's not loaded.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

All hammers are laid with strong conviction simply by the fact that they are irreversible and final.

I will have an updated PRS LLC report when possible.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you do see what would occur if he did not hammer right?

Such an action would result in a condorcet mess that would be more beneficial for the scum than an outright hammer.

He has enough conviction to place his name as the one that is putting an end to the day rather than letting it drift into condorcet land.

That is enough conviction for me.

I don't care what language he hammers with. It is the action that matters in this case.

I don't see how you guys can attack him on conviction when it's clear none of us have absolute conviction in anybody's guilt. Nobody is god here. No matter how you puff out your chest, you are unsure of whether the person you are bandwagonning is scum.

I will be damned before I interpret an accurate assessment of one's doubt in the validity of one's read as a scumtell.

His conviction lies in the fact that he hammered.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Glork's splitting hairs with me.

How curious.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

PRS LLC Official Ratings:

Sell Now:
None

Sell+:
Thesp, BBMars

Sell:
RogueBen, Gaspar, NabNab

Hold:
Destructor

Hold+:
SensF, Michael Sableheart, Vollkan

Buy:
Niv

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

First off to Thesp, I do believe a No-Lynch is worse than a lynch of a protown player at that juncture in that situation.

To explain my Niv rating:

I find it difficult to believe he doesn't truly believe that I am scum(which is something that would be hard for him to truly believe if he were indeed scum)

The sheer vehemence and venom in the posting he's directed towards me in this game makes me believe that he passionately believes that I am indeed scum.

Something that I just can't see Niv doing.(I'm not saying a talented scumbag with a keen sense of what a town might think couldn't come up with the gambit, I'm saying I don't think Niv could come up with such a gambit)

The reason I share my reason for this ranking is because I believe that enough discussion has occured about Niv's scum-ness for me to insert my opinion into the discussion without unduly influencing other players as well as because I believe enough players are currently thrown off by Niv's play that such reasoning could be helpful to the town.

To further explain the reasons I am not sharing reasoning:

I expect everyone else to have some idea of a player's scuminess, I expect your initial reaction upon seeing someone rated as a Hold or Buy to be either agreeing with my rating, or disagreeing with my rating but based on your own reasons.

For example if I rate Thesp at Sell+, and you think I have no reason to put him at Sell+, you'd have to first look at all the relevant evidence(what has Thesp done? Why might Pooky put him at Sell+?)

If you then come to the conclusion that Thesp is actually much more likely to be town, then we can have a discussion as to what the reasons are on both of our sides and come to a conclusion.

But for me to insert reasoning into my original post would decrease your incentive to come to your own conclusion.

If you want to figure out of Player A is scum, and Player B posts a huge well documented Case on Player A with lots of points and well written reasons and all sorts of amazing analysis on why player A is scum, would you really read that and then go through the hassle of looking at Player A's actual play? odds are at that point you just go along and skip the whole doing your own analysis thing because everything looks good.

I don't want people to look at my reasoning/analysis and going, yup i agree with Pooky.

I want people to come up with their own analysis and reasoning on a player's play and then if our analyses disagree then we can pull out our reasoning and have a healthy debate.

Even if I was 99% sure a player is scum, I'd still want to have that debate rather than railroad people into lynching him because I could very well be wrong and I'd rather have people coming up with their own reasoning as to what alignment a player is than borrowing my faulty reasoning and coming up with the same conclusion as I have.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

@NabNab, it's for the sake of completeness.

The different ratings for sensFan and Destructor are due to the relative scumminess/level of scum i felt for each of these players.

If Player A replaces Player B and I think Player B's posts hint heavily towards him being protown and Player A's posts slant the other way, I'm not going to delete Player B's contributions and just go with Player A's work because that would be discarding quite a lot of prior history. Averaging it out is kinda a copout since Player A hasn't played at that level of innocence to deserve such a rating.

As a result the separate ratings for a player in both forms of existence to properly incorporate the information.

Having a dead townie in the Sell+ section is simply for reference.

I was wrong about him and I don't feel the need to hide the fact I was wrong by putting him off my list.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Well what's the point of taking him off the list.

it's not like anybody is going to lynch him again basedo n my list because they thought he was still alive.

I like to have the list be filled out over time with dead bodies so I can see how right/wrong I was/am.

Do you think there is a good protown reason for not incorporating such information into The list?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Crunch time people.

Let's make this lynch count.

I've got a problem set due at nine, after I'm done with that I will put up who I want lynched and why.

I'd like to see some more activity in the thread prior to deadline this time.

Btw Gaspy

why the unvote?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

NabNab's final post pushes him over the edge in regards to the suspicion meter.

None of the reasons that he provides for the Niv vote are particularly good.

I still firmly believe Niv is protown from my earlier reasons, along with the fact that he has a fairly proven night ability.

I am very leery of the Niv lynch.

vote NabNab

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Tell me something Glork,

Do you think Niv is scum?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

PRS LLC Official Ratings:

Sell Now:
NabNab, CuriousKarmaDog

Sell+:
Thesp, BBMars

Sell:
RogueBen, Gaspar, MBL

Hold:
Destructor

Hold+:
SensF, Michael Sableheart, Vollkan

Buy:
Niv

Buy+:
Xtoxm

Unrated:
Rest

unvote

vote MBL

<NabNab, CKD, Thesp, RogueBen, Glork> <Everyone Else> <No-Lynch> <Niv, Xtoxm, Pooky>

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

dat was fun

thx for modding

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea

i still cant believe u guys let them talk you into thinking i was their cult leader.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its in the theme park

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7926