~laundry~ FIN

[drealmerz7]

sure then

VOTE: andrius

anyone see anything towny in anything andrius has said today? all I see is a scum-ploy

[drealmerz7]

go ahead and self-vote then and let's get the Day (game) over

[drealmerz7]

VOTE: unvote

[drealmerz7]

there's a lot of pro-town utility on the board for the apparant scumteam possibilities

I think I might need to go back to my earlier instincts as that is usually what serves town/where I'm right when I feel like I'm feeling right now

earlier instincts lead to pine

fucking geez, maria, why are you so scummy as town?

[drealmerz7]

if you want this done right, give me about a week to re-read the game

otherwise just ignore me because I've done not much but hurt town and my reads have been horrible this game (except zach, and maybe pine)

[drealmerz7]

if you all wanted to lynch me it should have been yesterDay or the Day before

toDay I am going to

kick and scream

fight back hard if you try and lynch me

[drealmerz7]

can you lay a case out on me, desp?

[drealmerz7]

that's an odd question

because he was at L-1 and if he or mcmenno are not scum then....

it is a duh move at this point and mcmenno got big scumpoints for his vote on andrius for me

[drealmerz7]

the characterization of "with you" is scummy, desp

now answer my question, can you lay out a case on me? if the answer is yes, please do so

[drealmerz7]

what about pine's power?

[drealmerz7]

ummm, can't tell if you're negligent or forgetful

I had a stronger longer SR on SAD

he said he had a guilty on me D3, and while it seemed possible that it was utter BS to try and get me lynched, I don't play games with shit like that, ever, and he had to get die, imo

there's some solid meta of mine for you: if I know you're lying, no matter how "playful" the lie might seem, I'm going to want you dead

[drealmerz7]

Wait, no, we know that SAD was shot N3 because he confirmed it.

this almost sounds like it was meant for scum PT

[drealmerz7]

tammy, if you're reading (I think you are), please, send your mental energy waves to me so I can try and read your thoughts because they'd be really fucking helpful right now

[drealmerz7]

I do think andrius is the one that has to go and is the scum, harder and harder

but I'm tempering casting the vote and reading and thinking (more thinking than reading)

fuck, well, at least the game is good again...

[drealmerz7]

I think gerry was killed for his role not because of his reads, but I really can't tell

this game is so convoluted, any fucking 1 of you could be scum and I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest

fucking hell!

[drealmerz7]

huh what?

[drealmerz7]

no where in the rules does it say the dead aren't allowed to communicate with telepathy

[drealmerz7]

haha

[drealmerz7]

I don't understand what is so hard to understand

I'm having a hard time figuring out the game and tammy's input would be excellent right about now, so I made a funny post about her sending me thoughts telepathically

[drealmerz7]

yeah I don't need a week

VOTE: andrius

[drealmerz7]

desp you never answered me, what about pine's power? why me and not pine if only 1 scum left?

wouldn't it even make sense that if there is only 1 scum left that it wouldn't be me or pine because the neg. utility is needed to balance the uber-town power as it appears right now?

[drealmerz7]

I'm sorry you get to sort out this mess tomorrow.

how do you know he lives until tomorrow if we go into Night if you're not the last scum>?

[drealmerz7]

are you not aware of my claim?

[drealmerz7]

I disagree

[drealmerz7]

I disagree

[drealmerz7]

qualifying things like that is probably not helpful anyway

it's a balance and it works well as a balancing factor in varying potential iterations - it's a balancing utility and works well

how is pine different?

"better than" ???

[drealmerz7]

no matter how you cut it I'm more likely to shoot town N3+

[drealmerz7]

lame

maybe if pages were 100 posts a page it'd be something notable once every 5 games to hit, but, the obsession with tops around here is ludicrous speed

my HS pages are 50 (actually you can set it to a few different numbers depending on your preference, highest is 50, which is my preference)

since I know how you love to hear about my HS...

[drealmerz7]

Im assuming he will since hes a miller.

wow that is super-horrible reason

let's kill andrius now (:

[drealmerz7]

yep, one of the many reasons you're likely scum

makes me think there's 2 of you left, honestly, but 1 thing at a time

[drealmerz7]

andrius: pro-scum-tip

if there you are scum and there are 2 of you left - the best move you can make now is to self vote (:

thas cool, I rather not have you in the game too with how you came into the Day giving yourself up and persist with this shit anti-town behavior, if you're town

but I do just think you're scum

[drealmerz7]

I'm totally flaccid though

[drealmerz7]

I'll engorge at the sight of red

[drealmerz7]

no shit you don't care to argue (:

no argument with that reality

[drealmerz7]

good riddance, again, with that attitude, even if you're town, it's pro-town to self vote

go for it

[drealmerz7]

that's SUCH a scum-post though

[drealmerz7]

why are you persisting with this subject line? not that I am opposed other than I just don't see the point and it seems like a complete distraction

know her like what??? I know enough to know that I'd like her thoughts on the game right now, that is all that it needs to be - I imagine her reading the game and having thoughts about it

you saying she rarely has thoughts is....not cool...

[drealmerz7]

Wait, no, we know that SAD was shot N3 because he confirmed it.

this almost sounds like it was meant for scum PT

And who would he have been talking to?

either himself, his dead scumbuddies, or a living scumbuddy if there are 2

obviously

I more said it to see what kind of responses I'd get though (even though that was the thought that came genuinely it was an explicit decision to share that thought to see what was said about it)

[drealmerz7]

how is my vig. shot unexplainable?

[drealmerz7]

No it's a fact, Tammy is notoriously wishy washy.

no, she actually knows how to play mafia and shares her thoughts rather than feeling like she has to have an absolute stance about something, she knows to think about things and that there are multiple possibilities to consider about every situation and that it is healthy to put the thoughts out there and discuss them

[drealmerz7]

pretending to be certain when you should *know* that there is no way to be certain is detrimental to figuring things out

[drealmerz7]

...So she is wishy-washy???

She would tell you that herself.

I think she'd agree that the characterization of such behavior is understandable under the terms "wishy washy", but the way you are putting it down makes it have negative connotation and makes it appear not helpful, when that is absolutely not at all how it is

your pursuit of this is highly questionable, if anything you should have said/asked "I would find her input at this point not helpful at all, why do you find it helpful?"

[drealmerz7]

Ya you're right this conversation is stupid.

What do you two think about Pines Menno thing today?

it's notable but not damning

[drealmerz7]

I'm not whitekniting her I'm giving my fucking thoughts

[drealmerz7]

So.... Pine/Mcmenno???????

what is this question

[drealmerz7]

wow that phrasing hits my scumdar so fucking hard I want to vote you

but the votes how there are is ideal imo

"both" or did you mean "either" - do you think there are 2 scum left? if you're even considering them, why are you voting me?

[drealmerz7]

wow nice trying to pick up the pieces

what the fuck I don't know what to do anymore

andrius hammer yourself please

[drealmerz7]

and for the record, if that busing were to be what happened, I wouldn't consider it "next level shit" at all

[drealmerz7]

Both of them bussing the shit out of all 3 of their teammates would be some next level shit, especially considering Nos didn't happen until after my VCA. Pine was all over Dreal that day iirc

the huge scumness of this post

[drealmerz7]

you are also basing most of your vote on VCA without considering enough I could be town having a shit game

[drealmerz7]

I did

"both" or did you mean "either" - do you think there are 2 scum left? if you're even considering them, why are you voting me?

if you have trouble understand the why of all of that, ehhhh...I might have the energy to take you through it but it shoudl be apparent based on the context / gamestate

[drealmerz7]

Are you fucking high bro? The only reason you're even alive is because of the VCA and i ignored your voting patterns because I had a townread on you.

none of what I said contradicts this...

what is contradictory is you changing your townread on me based on VCA

[drealmerz7]

btw my thinking is better if I'm high

I learned to learn high and think high (half of highschool, all of college, I was stoned all of the time, and did well and am smart) and I'm so "with it" when I'm high, it's pretty amazing

[drealmerz7]

Your voting patterns have always been scummy but I thought you were town over Zach and maria but they are both dead now.

well if you're town then your reads are as bad as my voting "patterns" which aren't patters at all just how the votes have gone and I can't help I've blown chunks this game

[drealmerz7]

I'll blame EP if my reads are so horrible this game

that will be 2 games he's modded that I've been in where I just utterly suck

[drealmerz7]

desperado, why don't you want andrius dead if he's resolved to not gamesolve all of today and gives up for dead since the start of the Day?

[drealmerz7]

no it's a bunch of fluff to pre-empt his woe is me AtE spiel he's been on

[drealmerz7]

I mean, I understand why one might think it is game-solving

but it doesn't seem to be it at all to me - they're a bunch of empty and safe thoughts that don't give us anything

[drealmerz7]

pine do you have quick access to your claim post you could share?

I've been not keeping notes ):

[drealmerz7]

I'm specifically looking for where you first suggestion or say whatever it was that came first of your bombing ability

[drealmerz7]

to be out with it:

I'm looking for reactions to people becoming aware of your ability

perhaps even something as lucky as a blatant switch on their read on you out of fear of you killing them, but likely some more subtle reactions I can gauge a tone-read from at this point

[drealmerz7]

that's not what he said he was doing...

but ummm, pine, I don't see you trying to bait any kill ever

[drealmerz7]

and if you're a bomb you haven't been playing like one at all

[drealmerz7]

and what do you make of the "healthy amount of scum PRs" now?

to me it's less about baiting the kill and more about playing with reckless abandon, you should (in my opinion) play the center of attention and have everything that happens revolve around you so you're more likely to do and when you die and kill your death and the death of your kill become very very telling

you've not provided us with that at all and the game-solving you've done through the game has been non-complimentary to your inevitable death which youshould be seeking

it's also safer to play it by never even crumbing hinting evre suggesting that you're a bomb because you want your reads to be right, scum to want you dead because of that, and for them to not fear anything about your death-outcome

[drealmerz7]

ummm, you just asked me "Really? How's a bomb supposed to behave?"

I answered my opinion

[drealmerz7]

rhetorical then...I didn't get that, I honestly thought you were asking my opinion

so, again, what do you make of the scum PRs now?

[drealmerz7]

I'm not fixating on anything

I'm here now asking you what you think now about the role make-up, a perfectly good question and discussion at this point

plenty??? PLENTY? encryptor+rolecop = plenty?!?!?! you wouldn't be surprised to see a 3rd?!?!?! ummm yeah all of that reeeeks

[drealmerz7]

I'm not trying to pin you to anything, you saying that I am when I'm clearly just trying to talk about things is scummy though, and you've been scummy all game, especially in regards to me

[drealmerz7]

AGAIN

I'm not talking about anything about D1, you are

I'm asking you NOW what you think NOW - I just fucking said this

[drealmerz7]

the 3 non-andriuses:

what do you make of andrius's assessment of desperado living until tomorrow because he's claimed miller? (when weak cop is dead)

[drealmerz7]

at least 9 views of the thread since my last post (:

I could vote pine today if others are interested and if someone makes a good case for someone else I'd likely be okay with any of you

fuckers

lovely people (I seriously hope this is okay, I'm just having fun~)

[drealmerz7]

I do not think bussing is a good idea...

I don't buy this paragraph at all. I'm sure you've seen busing be advantageous and be a good idea. Numerous times.

Busing is agreat idea, when it is a great idea. Generalizing like this is bad.

[drealmerz7]

why "more sense"

seems the same amount of sense with town having an extra bullet (which is how it actually is)

[drealmerz7]

but I did this super-recently...

detergent- N3 or later 1-shot vig

I made it very clear that I wanted SAD dead prior to N3, and N3 I shot him, high/top SR + he lied

no crumbs

[drealmerz7]

you mean my delayed modifier? just that...

[drealmerz7]

ohyeah I have another modifier like that moist thing

I almost forgot

but it's not the moist thing

[drealmerz7]

If you were the detergent, you'd have the clean machine modifier.

see my previous post...I am an do

[drealmerz7]

pine must be the bleach

KILLS EVERYTHING ON CONTACT

[drealmerz7]

until dilluted

[drealmerz7]

pine, what's your flavor? are you the bleach?

[drealmerz7]

does anyone else read these 2 wagons as:

PINE IS SCUM ???

[drealmerz7]

like...why haven't any of the 4 of us hammered either of the 2 if 1 of the 4 is scum and the at least 1/2 are town?

[drealmerz7]

because you know either hammering flips town and makes you look bad? just a guess

[drealmerz7]

it's not an argument, it's a theory of potentiality

yeah, you have been scumming it up the entire game

[drealmerz7]

and your SR on me is one of the shitiest I've ever seen

[drealmerz7]

ummm yep, absolutely

can we get a pine wagon please, I'd kind of like to get off andrius a bit but he's now my CW so I kind of have to, and I am okay killing him, but, pine is such a better lynch now with these shenigans

[drealmerz7]

yeh I totally would not have used my shot to shoot a vest if I were scum

I'd probably have shot zach if I were scum

[drealmerz7]

Have I not made myself clear on this up to this point?

yes you have you don't need to reiterate it I wasn't addressing you

[drealmerz7]

revote please (this time on creature)

Creature (5): McMenno, Ser Arthur Dayne, gerryoat, Fro99er, MariaR

SAD

how does it feel to be on the worst wagon in the history of mafia?

for tammy:

Code: Select all

[vote]creature[/vote]

is how it is done in case you forgot

(I make funjokes)

what this guy said

(I had had slysly, mcmenno fixed it for me to creature)

well folks I see people are still reading drealmerz because I guess he's an abrasive asshole and makes giant leaps in logic... well congrats he's town (think mathblade as well)

I am going to set sail in no particular direction

VOTE: nacho

okay back to real scum

VOTE: nacho

even as a fan of good busing that sets the WIFOM and seeing that as a possibility, I don't know how mcmenno would go about it like this, especially with the repeat voting of creature and nacho and urging others to vote

my biggest issues with mcmenno are his lack of hard game-solving and that the sample PM makes it look like everyone has a PR and mcmenno has claim vanilla (but with flavor), but neither of those are damning enough to vote him

if I am scum, why am I not just voting mcmenno right now?
if desperado is scum, why does he not just switch to andrius? or even to me and urge andrius or mcmenno to vote me? (desperado pretty clearly town right now for not voting andrius and to me is the NK that is likely)

if pine is scum, he can't hammer andrius because he's been hard TRing him all game
if pine is scum, he'd want to remove me first so that tomorrow he could get mcmenno lynched easier when it is just him, mcmenno and andrius alive (I'm the only one SRing him and mcmenno is TRing me)

if andrius is scum, he can't push/vote pine because he's been TRing him all game
if andrius is scum, he has a hard time joining my wagon and lynching me without looking fishy when I'd flip town, leaving both mcmenno and pine alive tomorrow to figure it out (mcmenno could be the NK if I am today's lynch and andrius is scum, but it's a lot more likely for scum!andrius to win if I'm alive tomorrow with him and pine)

shit I just woke up and was having those thoughts but then my brain kind of puttered out because it is morning

I hope that is helpful

pine or andrius have to go today, desperado, mcmenno

[drealmerz7]

andrius, be a hero and help me push pine to lynch

[drealmerz7]

if pine is scum, I wouldn't even call what he did in voting his scumbuddies "busing", they are definitely more "oh shit I am going to look fishy if I don't vote them so I gotta" votes

[drealmerz7]

way to state the obvious

but the wagons are better this way and they only get better if you vote pine first

you not being able to see this makes me comfortable staying on you though

[drealmerz7]

you have to come off mcmenno because pine is not going to hammer you ever and if I come off of you first pine just goes to mcmenno and that will tell us nothing if mcmenno is not scum

it is only good for town to maneuver the wagons at this point by you coming off mcmenno first, anything else is dangerous and hurts town if there is a ML (by allowing scum to slip through the cracks of responsibility rather than be put in a position to be held accountable) in my view, and all I can do is play from my view

if pine is the lynch he can't be given a position of strength (non responsibility through default "well I had to vote that wagon because it was the only choice besides my own at that point) until he is at L-1

IF pine were to hammer you before I switched off of you to him with you on him, and you are town, it outs him as scum because of associations

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno wagon has to be non-viable for lynch wagon to be viable, essentially

[drealmerz7]

andrius, is desperado is scum, why isn't he voting you?

[drealmerz7]

again, more reasons why I am comfortable with an andrius lynch, compiled to the entirety rest of the game of course

[drealmerz7]

desperado and mcmenno make the LEAST amount of sense as lynches at this point

I make more fucking sense than they do, and that you're not voting me makes me think you know I'm going to flip green and you can't be put in the position of being held accountable for that once you're still alive tomorrow

[drealmerz7]

if you're scum you need mcmenno lynched because you know you can't NK him and still win tomorrow and you can't have him alive tomorrow with the possible ppl who will be alive because you'd get lynched no question

ARRAGHGHHH

[drealmerz7]

pine, be a hero and vote andrius

[drealmerz7]

it's about who is alive tomorrow and who wants who alive tomorrow IF they're scum

[drealmerz7]

you not getting what I'm getting at

[drealmerz7]

I did!

[drealmerz7]

fucking hell I really think there could be 2 scum still

[drealmerz7]

definitely not being difficult on purpose, I understand my view is hard to see and am doing my best

[drealmerz7]

so what do you think mcmenno's power is? you don't actually think he'd be goon with the flipped roles we have do you?

[drealmerz7]

also that you are okay to go desp is highly suspect, imo

just doesn't make sense with the weak cop that his miller claim would be a lie

[drealmerz7]

yeah andrius is scum most likely

[drealmerz7]

you are an advanced mod

"idle speculation" is a complete cop-out

no one is asking you to commit to being correct

it would make sense that you just can't come up with something false that makes you not sound fishy or to tell the truth would reveal that you know the truth and be a stupid scumtell to doso

[drealmerz7]

You've only been saying that all game.
And no one else seems to share your opinion.

*looks at the vote count*

except for the other person voting you...

[drealmerz7]

meh he's voting you it means he thinks it's likely enough that you're scum and with how your attitude was coming into the Day it's absolutely a good and fine vote

[drealmerz7]

I actually was waffling on you over Night and resolved to vote mcmenno today out of security

and then you came and and scummed it up hardcore as soon as the Day started

doesn't make me in the slighest bit comfortable dropping my SR on you anymore

[drealmerz7]

omg that speculation is horrible

lynch andrius

[drealmerz7]

weak cop and godfather variants do not mix
RB is a horrible speculation (the worst)
and those last 3 are puke-worthy for the flipped town roles we see

wow

[drealmerz7]

if you thought there were 2 scum left MAYBE I'd buy any of that speculation a LITTLE BIT MORE

but, no, that is just crap thrown out there to try and appease me

[drealmerz7]

I was more okay to lynch you until maria came off you which was super scumtastic imo

[drealmerz7]

btw all the ingame assocations, who has been killed when, and everything

poiints to you being scum

over and over and over

[drealmerz7]

I'm not at all "throwing literally anything", you are creating more reasons to scumread you, I can't help that

[drealmerz7]

you didn't offer yourself up

you flailed a self-sacrificial woe-is-me fit as soon as the Day started that I can NOT see coming from town only from scum making a plot

if you're town and did that, it is 10x worse than what zach did, imo

[drealmerz7]

plot=ploy

oh thank goodness

[drealmerz7]

yep, that's what I was afraid of

look, you 2 vote each other and let me decide, okay?

[drealmerz7]

and I need you both to really work it

tell me why the other is scum and why you're town

[drealmerz7]

no seriously if you're town you better fucking vote mcmenno

[drealmerz7]

desp, what is wrong?

you were parked and not moving off of mcmenno yesterday and took no part in any conversaion (not that mcmenno did much, but you're 2 different ppl)

[drealmerz7]

after a point, you didn't, that is what I'm referencing

and your rhetoric is not winnign you town points

no song and dance

no bowing

town it the fuck up or die, how abou that?!

[drealmerz7]

not helpful at all

why are you being like this? not cool

why do you think you're alive?

[drealmerz7]

no I'm absolutely aware I've been a worthless sack of shit playing horribly, thank you

that is why I am alive

why do you think you're alive?

[drealmerz7]

I've been in 2 EP games and they've been my worst games ever, it's fucked and I'm not happy about it, certainly

not you, mcmenno, I'm asking desperado why he thinks he's alive

[drealmerz7]

why am i being like what?

dramatic when I'm just trying to get down to it directly

[drealmerz7]

anyway

it's how it is

VOTE: mcmenno

see ya'll on the flipside

[drealmerz7]

omg please just vote mcmenno already I keep hitting view posts seeing if we're done it is driving me nuts

I am fucking horrible town but I at least know I'm town that is why I wanted to hammer and I never was not going to vote mcmenno, he's not allowed to win like this as scum

[drealmerz7]

to feel extra good about it to get some final reads

[drealmerz7]

if I were scum don't you think I'd have just come in voting you figuring desperado would hammer since he was how he was yesterday?

you killed pine for the WIFOM, but it was foolish as you'd have my lynch already if it were you+him

that is the only thing I can't quite figure but it comes down to just being foolish or a bit cocky for the WIFOM

[drealmerz7]

I also know your best chance is to get desp. to vote me and so I was trying to force it betweeen the 2 of you hoping I'd get you to vote him instead of me, hoping that you'd figure I'd vote him since I said that if he's alive today he's likely scum

[drealmerz7]

but me doing that simply allowed you to feel more comfortable to kill pine

whereas if pine were alive today, I'd be dead

[drealmerz7]

no lynching you yesterday would have left me in the fucking dark because of andrius

I needed andrius dead to get the picture straight

[drealmerz7]

I mean, sure, I wish we would have killed you yesterday at this point of course, but yesterday was yesterday, and andrius started the day like a scumfuck (I'd resolved to voting you the Night before until he started the Day like that)

after that, with being uncertain if you were town or scum anyway I couldn't risk lynching you and having it come down to andrius or pine as scum (or andrius/desperado) - much better this way

[drealmerz7]

desperado, vote mcmenno

you were right before, don't waffle to the wrong side on your think-over because of an over-think

[drealmerz7]

game is lost to town, folks

EP's 2 games I've been in have been my worst 2 games ever I think

suckage

[drealmerz7]

I would have voted mcmenno, and is why I tried to force it the way I did, so it was in my hands because I was pretty sure I was settled on the right choice after andrius flipped (no matter who was alive today I was 99% sure I was picking mcmenno and not going to come off of that read...ugh)

[drealmerz7]

you never let a lurker live that long or go to end of game

policy 100%

[drealmerz7]

):

*sigh*

excellent setup, EP!!! lovely really - sorry I suck in your games 2/2, (AND like in the last one, I head my head straight in the end but it was too late and beyond my power to steer things correctly), maybe 3rd time is a charm, I want to pre-/in for 12p minitheme (if I'm not already?!), your games rock

[drealmerz7]

why didn't we just lynch menno D7 again???????????

because if he wasn't scum I wouldn't have known who to pick between andrius and pine ):

[drealmerz7]

idk i was following this game a bit and it's not even the drealmerz7 lynch that was terrible

maria and andrius were both obvtown.

maria and obvtown don't work in the same sentence for me :\

I was leaning town on her until she come off andrius, it seemed really weird/threw me

[drealmerz7]

I got off someone I tr KILL ME NOW

I just couldn't follow it and had been waffling on you for a while *shrug*

[drealmerz7]

he's sucha meanie mod!!! I only got to shoot ONE of you, and if failed ):

[drealmerz7]

that is just how it was for me this game, magna, it has nothing to do with my HS

like I said multiple times, I was thinking I'd vote mcmenno and then andrius was like "fuck this" and felt like he was doing is a scum-ploy, it was that play, and plays like Zach's frustrated anti-town twilight that hurt the town more than my reads and misvotes/pushes - in the end I had it correct at least too and made correct move

one of the other things about mcmenno's wagon the Day before is that NO one really pushed /argued for his lynch, again not my fault

anyway, it's never just 1 person's loss/win, it's a teamgame, and we totally failed to jive as a team

[drealmerz7]

for 2 days we failed to do what we should have done in lynching mcmenno

and on my HS that would have never been allowed to go on that long or be allowed to be dependant on 1 or 2 people to decide about

we push people HARD not to lurk even a fraction as much as mcmenno was allowed to, and would have lynched WAY before D6 in this game if it were on my HS, it's not MY fault, nor any 1 person's 'fault' we failed to lynch him, if anything I didn't push my HS values hard enough, eh?

[drealmerz7]

Honestly dreal I think you shouldn't have been left to endgame
No idea why andrius and Maria got lynched but not you:

I agree, I told you all which Day I should have been lynched

no one listened to me then either

or with the zach lynch

crucial points all 3

[drealmerz7]

I didn't, I acted like I was the only 1 I knew to be town and I tried to do what was in best interest of town which was to make them vote eachother so I could decide because I was confident at that point that I was going to make the right call (which was vote mcmenno, which would have been correct)

so I also don't know how you can really say "I should have been lynched earlier" as hard as you do, because at the end of it all, I had the right read and made the right call, it was desp. who didn't, and again, repeated points over and over about andrius's behavior and no one making any sort of real push on mcmenno (andrius, desp, should have been trying to get everyone to vote him at that point, I agree, I would have liked to vote him in retrospect, but it's not on me as much as I think you're making it to be at all)

[drealmerz7]

But yeah I already expressed most of my thoughts on your play in the dead pt, not gonna revisit that topic.

I never argued that my play wasn't shit, like I said, 2nd most horrible game for me probably, 1st being EP's wordplay mafia, it sucks, but, I'll get over it, that is for sure, it'd be nice if a bunch of you didn't hold it against me forever going forward, but, eh whatever

it was up to the rest of you all to do best about it, all I could do was keep trying my best, which, AGAIN, in the end, was to MAKE THE RIGHT CALL

and umm, yeah, pine's read on me TOTALLY SUCKED BALLS INACCURATE!

[drealmerz7]

mcmenno voted you, its not like you had a choice lol

of course at that point, that is why I said "well if that is how it is" and voted mcmenno and left it to desp.

if anything I should have been more convincing to mcmenno that I was going to vote desperado and gotten him to vote desperado, but I was afraid that was going to get desp. to vote me and that I wouldn't be able to get the vote on mcmenno in time

which is why I wanted them to vote each other...

[drealmerz7]

it's not an excuse, it's how it is, if you can't accept that, that is your problem, magna

[drealmerz7]

???

[drealmerz7]

ridiculousnesses

anyways, blame it all on me if you like, I really don't care, I've said my views and made them clear am pretty sure

I'm not making shit up, that's kind of offensive

anyway, yep, again, yes, I had a poop game, *shrug*

[drealmerz7]

Sometimes townies need to get lynched for the game to progress correctly. I really do think some lynches are extremely pro-town regardless of lynching scum.

For example, and I know some people are heavily gonna disagree, the slysly lynch was really needed to be able to 100% confirm he was town and the counter wagon to scum. Without that town flip, I really don't think me or Desp would have seen Nos-scum based on VCA.

I agree with you but up to there

but once slysly and tammy were both town, and nacho was scum, I really thought it likely andrius was scum too, he was not a bad lynch and I think was a much more pro-town lynch than I ever would have been, especially with how he was being. Seriously, I MADE THE RIGHT CALL AT THE END, I don't really understand how you can not have faith to keep me alive in future games knowing I can make the right call when it comes down to it, which is exactly what I did in EP's last game, but then other ppl made the wrong call at the end. I'm not as bad as you all want to make me out to be, really.

[drealmerz7]

I don't think anyone is blaming it all on you.

k

I love youall, really

it sucks the game became a bit of a drag and I lost my enthusiasm as quickly as I did

I picked it up in the last 2 though I thought, buckling down for what was there and tryng to parse the right things and set it to be in the best possible way given all contingencies. really thought desp. would vote mcmenno over me (is okay desp.)

[drealmerz7]

you should try to understand that getting under people's skin and being abrasive is going to make you much more likely to get lynched.
bossing people around in lylo is a recipe for people getting frustrated with you and that frustration can translate to votes.

I understand I come off that way, it happens a lot, I don't mean to be

I was trying to be persuasive, when desperado responded the way he did I was like "ohman that is not how I wanted it to be"

ppl really get overly impacted by the way I express myself and it leads to misunderstandings

[drealmerz7]

I come off more arrogant than I feel too, I know it

I try not to too, but even still

I make my arguments with confidence when I feel like I need to make them with confidence

and then I share thoughts on things that I am uncertain about and try to express that I am uncertain about them, that they're just ideas/potentialities

and it all gets misconstrued :\

[drealmerz7]

I understand that gork, and is why I try to explain myself and be clear and even when I do yet people resist it and try to think it's otherwise, they're like "no that can't be it" or "you're just being scummy" when I'm simply UNCERTAIN and you feel my uncertainty, I know that I'm going to come off that way and say so and again it's "nah, you're being non-commital is scum-indicative' - NO, it's just NOT CERTAIN!