Thespival Mafia (Denouement)
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Blah blah random votes blah.
Random votes are the devil. (We've got to kill the devil...)
Alright, first things first. The Jester should come out so we don't lynch him or her today. That's in everyone's best interests, right? Except the Mafia's. Jester, if you get lynched today, you lose. So you should come out now so that doesn't happen.
Hopefully the Mafia won't pretend to be the Jester, that would totally screw up this plan.
Mafia, did you follow all that? Don't pretend to be the Jester. MeMe? Got it?
Pooky, what do you think of the random voting so far?-
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Uh huh. "Seriously" indeed. As if revealing your satanic ways is a laughing matter.
Why hasn't the Jester come out yet? I would like all townies to say "I understand that the Jester should come out, but I am not the Jester". That way at least if the Jester fails in his or her civic duties we can safely call him or her a terrible player, rather than leaving a chance that he or she just missed the obvious strategery.
I understand that the Jester should come out, but I am not the Jester.-
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Are you trying to convince some poor innocent into thinking they should claim jester falsely? Best tactical move for everyone except the Mafia?
Tally could be scum trying to deny us the power of the Claimed Jester. Remember:
If you're the Jester, claim Jester.
If you're an innocent, claim Not Jester.
If you're MeMe, claim Mafia.
If you're Mafia but not MeMe, act confused because I didn't tell you what to claim.
It's that simple. Best play all around.-
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While we wait for the Jester to come out and put himself into a winning position, another discussion:
We have fixed three-week deadlines in this game. I would suggest that by the end of the first week, everyone should have made anon-randomvote, and that by the end of the second week we narrow things down to two-four top suspects. That leaves us a full week to decide between those bandwagons, or even go a completely different direction if something drastic happens.
I've seen towns with fixed deadlines play the "wait until just before deadline to do everything game", and it is almost always a disaster. Let's make the best use of our time in this game.-
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We don't want to lynch him today. We want to lynch Mafia. Duh. The Jester claiming will help us lynch Mafia, and will keep him or her from losing the game today. It's quite simple.
The plan aims to simultaneously increase the win percentage of the town and the Jester, by screwing over the Mafia. Obviously.-
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(It should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway:
DO NOT LIE if you are innocent. Aside from the general Lynch All Liars metagame practice - and you will be found out if you lie, sooner or later - it completely screws up the plan. The real Jester will counterclaim you, we'll assume that one of you is scum, and BAD THINGS will happen.)-
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Are you the Jester or not? This is not a difficult question. We have conclusively shown that if you are the Jester you should say so, and that was before my threat of lynching you. Obviously if you are innocent you should say that too. The only reason for your waffling is if you are scum and aren't sure what to do. So, I ask again: Are you scum?-
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That's 7 on GS. I would suggest no one else actually vote for him until everyone has checked in and the Jester has claimed.I don't mind a quickish day 1 lynch, but we should make sure we get any important information we can first. If you're cool with the GS wagon, post something likeCool with the GS wagon: yo.-
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For bookkeeping purposes:
Not the Jester:
mith
PookyTheMagicalBear
MeMe
Captain Bandwagon
petroleumjelly
hasdgfas
Iammars
Talitha
Greasy Spot (scum)
QuickBen
Holy
Posted, but haven't confirmed or denied being the Jester (possible scums, possible confused/misguided Jester):
wolfcrier
Dani Banani
tyhess
curiouskarmadog
RossWilliam
al_kohaulec
Mastermind of Sin
Slackers (possible Jester):
Battle Mage
Dark Ermac
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The List™(bow, you fools!):
Greasy Spot (Confirmed Scum)
tyhess (False Prophet)
MeMe (Instrument of the Devil)
Dani Banani (Instrument of the Devil)
Mastermind of Sin (Instrument of the Devil)
curiouskarmadog (IGMEOY)
Possible Jesters, assuming the Jester is not a BAD PLAYER:
Battle Mage
Dark Ermac
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Right. Now that there has been some discussion on this (which I will analyze later, no time now):
I am with pj on this. tyhess shouldn't recruit. Even in the "tyhess is confirmed innocent that we are somehow able to keep alive" scenario, taking away votes from unconfirmed players doesn't do us any good - if it is in the town's interest to stop people voting, there are other ways to do that (pseudovotes and the like - we decide on a lynch before we start voting, so there is no danger of a hastyvotefromatownieleadingtoaquicklynch).
Really, the only reason tyhess should recruit is flavor. And since the one true Couch is here to provide that, the False Prophet needs not spread his message of lies and deceit.-
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Once again, the Jester claiming helps the Jester AND the Jester claiming helps the Town. There is no contradiction here, because there is a third side: the Jester claiming hurts the Mafia. Having someone we know to be not-Mafia helps us in our Mafia hunting, obviously.
The Jester needs to claimASAP, because with every post that passes, there is more and more chance that the scum will realize that the Jester is unsure or a moron, and will jump in with a fake claim. A fake claim from the Mafia would absolutely devestate the plan.
Battle Mage, you haven't actually said whether or not you are the Jester - only that you weren't claiming to be. So, as with GS, I will ask you directly: Are you the Jester?
In other news, there are still 8 players not voting at all, and I would guess that at least a couple of the other votes are random (too lazy to check). We are now five realtime days into Day 1, and I once against strongly suggest thateveryone make a non-random vote by the time we hit the one rt week mark. I will be looking closely at anyone who posts before then but doesn't vote.-
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Mine and Pooky's views are not at odds. We discussed this extensively at Thespival. We are merely presenting our views in different ways, to help convince the Jester. That the Jester hasn't claimed already strongly suggests the role is among the two who have not yet posted content at all, but having people confusing matters by posting things which are clearly not well thought out can't be helping, and leaves open the possibility that someone is misguided and isn't sure they should claim.-
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We also don't want to give too much away to the Mafia. They may not know the correct strategy for this type of game.
Overall, the Jester claiming now is a clear advantage for the Town and Jester, and a disadvantage for the Mafia even with perfect play from them - but if they don't know what they're doing, it's even worse.
I need to look through later at the responses, see who has been trying to mislead the Jester into staying hidden. And also see who the slackers are who haven't placed a non-random vote yet.-
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Everyone be sure to read this post.
What MeMe said. If you think something is a trap, don't point it out until everyone has a chance to fall for it! Sigh.
Anyway... I think everyone has now denied being the Jester. So I suppose it's time to move on.
This was absolutely a trap. You see, when we played the Jester setup at Thespival, there was one small difference: the Jester won when lynched Day 1. There, the strategy presented here clearly applies. The Jester should come out to avoid being nightkilled, and the Town should encourage it so that we eliminate one suspectand also so that we avoid all the WIFOM drama involved when we know someone is trying to get themselves lynched.
What actually happened was that we got screwed over by scum claiming Jester, and then ended up lynching the Jester straight away because we thought we were safe lynching the scummiest player.
Here, we have a day where it's safe to lynch the Jester, and I was trying to take advantage of that.Not so much to trick the Jester so we can lynch him/her! That doesn't help the town.But to trick the Mafia into thinking they're about to get screwed over and the only way out of it is to fakeclaim Jester. If someone had claimed Jester, there was a better than average chance of them being scum, given that the Thespivalites understood the strategy considerations and know thatbest play for the Jester is to claim Day 2, so if any of them are the Jester they (correctly) waited.
Anyway. Hopefully the Jester truly does understand the strategy involved in playing the role and will come out tomorrow. In the meantime, we have plenty to analyze here. My vote remains on GS for now, as his reaction was clearly the most scum-like, but I need to comb through the responses in detail.-
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Battle Mage repeatedly saying the word "trap" - and, to some degree, MeMe responding; though as I said I agreed with her entirely, having someone else just use the word tainted the project - killed any chance it had of working on the Mafia, and I didn't want to Jester to leap to the conclusion that the trap was meant for him/her and be so paranoid by our deception that he/she fails to make the correct play of coming out tomorrow.
I still like GS as scum. And MeMe is my number two, purely on vibe - I'm going to have to read her posts again to see if I can put my finger on anything.-
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FOS: hasdgfas
Random powers for getting other people to say a word isn't at all thematic, and doesn't seem like Thesp's style. Seems more like a UPick claim. Bleh. I don't like it.
(See previous post regarding V/LA. I'll try to catch up later today, depending on how the puzzling is going and whether I go out later.)-
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I agree with BM on the Appeal to Emotion... that last sentence especially rubs me the wrong way. I don't want to be lynchedat all, because I am an innocent and my being lynched hurts the town. I don't understand bringing up how many scum there are -especially when we innocents don't know how many there are- other than as some sort of scare tactic.
GS, my vote on you has nothing to do with your newbieness, or whether you were at Thespival, or anything outside of this game. It is entirely based on your reaction... not even your reaction to the trap itself, but to the follow up interrogation.
Your defense is essentially saying "but I didn'tknowI wasn't supposed to react that way", which is, of course, not the point. The point is that youdidreact that way, and fell into a weak version of the trap. You didn't outright claim Jester, as I was hoping the Mafia would, but you did react in a way that makes me strongly suspect you are scum.
hasdgfas: Let me get this straight. Is it correct that you only get your "random night ability" if you get the town (or some part of it, I don't care about the details just yet) to say [word] AND if you stick to your mostly mute restriction for the day? Is it also correct that you are willing to wait on people saying [word] until tomorrow? (Two yes/no answers, please.)
(I haven't quite finished catching up. If there's a question directed at me I missed, I'll get to it later (or repost it).)-
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I'm still not convinced by hasdgfas's claim. It doesn't fit the Thespival-theme (we didn't have any such roles, nor is there a Jack-of-all-trades card in my deck), nor does it fit what I know of Thesp's style.
That said, I'm not sure why he would've started with the [word] thing if it wascompletelyfabricated.
I'm going to do some research on this. For now, I remain more convinced that Greasy Spot is scum, so my vote will remain there.-
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Yeah, DGB... you said a lot of things. You've really got to stop taking the one thing you got right as validation for your flawed theories.
(But while we're congratulating ourselves for guesses that ended up being right while having no affect on the outcome, of the 9 players who were either on The List™ or who I FOS'd, I hit all five Mafia.)
Well played, math. I was following along the last few days, and while I wasn't anywhere near sure who the scum was (much less that there were two!), I figured if mathcam was scum he would pull it out. No shame in it, ladies, he's just that good.
I didn't have a partner. I actually breadcrumbed this in one of my posts (I had a townie called the Lone Gunman Mason in one of my GL games once), but I didn't expect anyone to notice it.
Looking forward to the details on the setup.-
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Me being alive instead of pj certainly would have changed things, nightgame-wise; quack wouldn't have had any reason to suspect he was the quack, and I would've had two innocent results on me. (I would've gone after you, cow, for what it's worth.)
cow, why did you decide to go after CKD when you did? I guess there was suspicion on you guys and you had the numbers to afford a bussing, but you were a mislynch away from a win. Claiming a cop result on pretty much any of the innocents would probably have won the game immediately - you only had to convince one innocent you were legit.-
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