Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

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I feel like the only white sheep with black sheeps.

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Two of your hard townreads are wrong.

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Tell me which and why.

I think there are five scum left and you're wrong on me (though not on others), so two of your hard townreads must be wrong.

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Tell me why all my scumreads are wrong with the current VC.

Your only wrong scumread is me.

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Why are you townreading Sondam?

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The less ABR tries to gamesolve, the less I feel like I should defend him.

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Oh right, thought you had only Dave/SSBM/me/Elbirn as scumreads.

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Tell me which and why.

I think there are five scum left and you're wrong on me

(though not on others)

, so two of your hard townreads must be wrong.

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Or am I missing something?

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I feel like the only white sheep with black sheeps.

Wouldn't this make you the ugly duckling then?

This would make me the good from the evil.

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Yuri I'm sorta undecided right now

LUV seems pretty active rather than PYP

ABR brought up something solid, scum are using him as a chaos object

Vecna's posting way much compared to scum

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Townblocks come when there are less scum around and info to work with.

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Okay, say we lynch Vecna.

Now we're back to this dillema: Who volunteers to be the next day's lynch if Vecna flips town?

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No one wants to be instalynched if they're wrong on someone. Though, if like 3-4 (or more) players volunteer, we have some votes of confidence.

Scum either will have to volunteer or risk being seen as low-hanging wagoner and possibly getting the wagon swayed to them.

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Scum either will have to volunteer or risk being seen as low-hanging wagoner and possibly getting the wagon swayed to them.

If the wagon is on town surely.

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Okay, someone already swayed me into lynching one of my strong townreads, guess what? They were scum.

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Also, mislynches where scum don't have to stick their necks out are pro-scum.

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What do we do if Vecna flips town?

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I'd look at his wagon D1 which looks garbager than today's wagon.

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Hmm, where did davesaz change his mind about me?

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Sorry, I don't like making wall posts. When I write them they lag as hell, they're hard to type and for some reason I keep editing things in and out.

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davesaz, I'm seeing you, don't try to get away

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I could get behind a Kyouko lynch tbh.

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VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

lalalalala

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"I don't want to lynch Kyouko" Do you townread him?

"Vecna is scummier" Do you think ssbm can be scum too?

"Scum are pulling a counterwagon" There's Leonshade and me.

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"Scum are pulling a counterwagon" There's Leonshade and me.

Yuri, Leonshade, Maxous and me.

If you're going to say scum is pulling a counterwagon to town, accuse one of us.

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Right now I'm sorta trusting Pine.

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Bah whatever

VOTE: Vecna

7 votes I guess

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If Vecna is town, we go back to Kyouko which seemed promising.

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Are you sure scum!Vecna is like this?

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I wonder if Pine is even considering a town!Vecna.

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I'd rather wagon someone who has a decent chance of flipping scum and that can be wagoned.

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You know.

UNVOTE:

Let's call Vecna is town club.

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Math, do you townread Vecna?

Nero Cain, is there a chance both Vecna and I are town?

Maxous, do you hate the Vecna wagon and could consider any other option?

For anyone, which is better? ssbm_Kyouko wagon or Sondam wagon?

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Wanna wagon Kyouko now?

I was peer pressured by Caesar, peer pressurers are likely scum.

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I miss Drixx and Spiffeh

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Error: Your mislynch target is too town.

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Okay, can someone write me a guide and say who I should vote at this point?

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Ugh, this is hard.

VOTE: ABR

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how is this Smackdown Creature?

Simple, the majority of the players townread me there. I was never widely townread as scum.

However, some players are being very stubborn and if they have a special power, town is pretty screwed.

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I want to reduce the number of players a little (preferably remove most scum too).

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Because I don't simply reach 400+ posts as scum and I've been trying to townblock earlier, but I dismantled it because players kept peer pressuring me and I had no idea on who was scum after.

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69088

Tell the proportion.

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Most large games are bloated messes, but I avoid these bloated messes as scum.

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I would, but it's not so simple. Some players can easily determine whether I am inflating my post count or actually being my genuine self.

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Feeling better about my vote decision.

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Vecna's been being townier and ABR sort of is going back to the scumpile.

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Is there any chance we can wagon someone outside ABR/Vecna?

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Btw, I have a Geass power and I am noble.

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idk, I'm Alec la Britannia, who rebelled The Holy Empire of Britannia.

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Unless you're likely misredirecting...

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The

first time

a killing action targets you, that action will instead be redirected to your target.

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Guess I only misread MariaR at Smackdown.

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tbh it isn't really "scum nightmares".

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What's the VC like?

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VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

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It'll only be stupid if ssbm gives a reason for it to be stupid.

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Okay, based on Machu Picchu, I doubt there are more than 4 scum or it's unbalanced.

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Also, scum probably got vigilante.

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VOTE: Nay

Atleast I finally agree on a None.

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Also, anyone on the ABR wagon lost all the credibility and should just sheep the smart town today.

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ssbm wagon seemed promising, so I'm on it.

Also, I think Caesar should also be sorted somehow.

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We voted Nay

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Vigilante refrained from shooting.

Let's see if he'll use it or if he's a scum vigilante keeping his shot to endgame us.

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Btw, maybe we'll get 2-3 scum if we look at the votes after ABR's claim.

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nancy, Akane and Nebby, ssbm_Kyouko, Brian Skies

Okay, scum are there and should be sorted somehow.

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I built the statue of Zeus. If I'm confirmed as town, scum can't kill me.

Any votes after this is bad.

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Btw, scum getting Alhambra equals scum

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I'm not even sure if I should townread Akane and Nebby anymore.

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NoticeMeSenpai also looks bad.

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Only posts occasionally, not influencing game at all.

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Try to build them anyway so scum gets less of it.

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If you plan to wagon A&N, I won't oppose it.

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Mod

Phase by dayphase and nightphase or phase by day/night cycle?

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And we lynch the scummiest player on the ABR wagon.

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Ugh, hopefully scum can't perform factional kills during the day.

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Oh right, davesaz is another player who swimmed somewhere deep under the radar.

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Yeah, let's just end this resolution phase and get to real deal.

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Also, can we not stall wagons we think are good?

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Okay, maybe we can forgive Brian Skies because he replaced a very town player.

However we still have nancy, A&N and ssbm.

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And someone's scum there.

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Okay, what do you think about Alisae's play in Mini 1877?

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idk, tbh the only thing towny about Brian Skies is his predecessor.

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Still better to not have them in scum's hands.

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Fine now let's lynch scum

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MathBlade: Yae sucks VOTE: Nay
Yuri: Yae bad VOTE: Nay
Brian Skies: Not allowing it VOTE: Nay
Sondam: WTF, I want to be able to build two wonders VOTE: Yae
Nero Cain: No VOTE: Nay

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Yeah, Machu Picchu makes me think the reviewers probably wouldn't accept more than four scum.

Good thing it doesn't work on lynches.

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You're pretty damn right!

Checkmate, mafia.

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Okay, hopefully we have a bunch of town trackers around.

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Isn't yay like really good? Then scum have to like not use their wonder if they kill?

It isn't good because scum could take more wonders away from town, even if they aren't going to use them.

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VOTE: Sondam

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VOTE: Creature
-Nebby

Error: Your mislynch target is too town.

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Pine, is Aeronaut even playing?

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I'm not getting lynched wtf

If you want, you can join Sondam (where I am) or we could swithc to NoticeMeSenpai.

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NoticeMeSenpai.

your case plox.

mastin2 - Steven Universe 2 - Different

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Hell, then what mastin2 is doing?

mastin2 feels different because I am not noticing her.

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tbh I am not noticing the whole NoticeMeSenpai hydra, which also looks bad for JaeReed.

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Okay, do you think JaeReed is posting frequently enough? I'm still missing this hydra from discussion.

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Eww Alisae scumreads Vecna

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Have we settled on scum?

Or is MathBlade gonna lead town to more mislynches?

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The resistance to Sondam is so huge it feels like a Nexus.

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Do you townread Sondam?

If yes, why?
If not, why are you not voting?

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Btw, we should try to lynch scum today, it would be pretty awkward to have a LyLo with 11 players left.

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Hi Nero Cain

Do you townread Sondam?

If yes, why?
If not, why are you ignoring any wagon attempt on them?

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Do you scumread Sondam or not?

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Okay, here's your tip:

VOTE: ssbm_Kyouko

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Btw, we should try to lynch scum today, it would be pretty awkward to have a LyLo with 11 players left.

^
slip that there are 5 scum left.

someone tell me why this isn't a slip.

It could be an hypothesis. I don't need to keep saying (if there are 5 scum).

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Vote Creature and you'll get a pretty red.

Haven't you said the same about ABR?

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Link a game where I made atleast 250 posts and was never called a lurker as scum.

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Spoiler: Thingy thing things that make me think Creature is scum

I don't really know what Arts, Science and None are and I don't know why None is better than Arts and Science.

Hmm, scum must pick daychat?

What's going to happen if we pick:
- Science?
- Arts?
- None?

I'm sorta confused with the info mod gave.

Okay, I kinda get what Science is.

Must mean we're gonna know earlier what we can build and thus scum could coordinate their picks.

What about Arts? Why one extra build benefits scum?

Btw, yeah, we must coordinate our picks well. Are we informed who picked what?

If I obvtown, I'll very likely die.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

Sounded like:

Arts and Science = Draft
None = No draft therefore no roles

These are shit I would like never do as scum. I'm pretty hesitant to make hypothesis like daytalk and number of scum players without stating I am assuming.

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I've been calling that ABR and Vecna wagons D1 were all pretty artificial.

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I've kept bugging you and others about Sondam. It's weird everybody scumreads them yet nobody touches them, isn't it?

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I could have been confbiasing you were scum, but I recognize you as town.

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Unlike most players that have very few reads, I already had at some point enough townreads to lock the game.

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D1 I left it and tried to push a counterwagon. D2 I don't remember actively pushing his wagon, I was calling that Fro99er's nightkill indicates town!him.

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Frogger was also the only player who tried to unite me and DEO. By removing him, they hoped to achieve further chaos and division, in addition to removing a player who was widely townread and trusted. Wherever Frogger voted, people followed, which he remarked upon himself and which unnerved him. He was the one player that could be counted on to lead a united town.

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I think that you and Sodam is prob a crossbus. I'd expect a more active town Maria and throwing down a vote on your scum buddy is a solid strategy.

Yeah, any wagon I attempt on Sondam doesn't work despite many players showing scumread on them.

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Let's atleast lynch scum first. Three mislynches in a row is terrible.

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Also, if we leave Sondam alive for tonight and they haven't built a wonder yet, they may steal a wonder away from town.

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Why you'd rather lynch me than Sondam if you think we're both crossbussing?

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You're very under the radar. I don't remember you being like this as town.

Despite nobody townreading you, any wagon attempt on you doesn't work for some reason.

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If you were town, your wagon would have a little more momentum, not "vote, doesn't work, must change or stay in a vanity wagon".

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Okay, why do you think everybody's throwing shade yet not voting you?

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Do you think scum are pocketing you or actively pushing you?

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Me being lynched still involves all scum voting me along some stubborn town. So after I am lynched, lynch/kill/sort anyone on my wagon and you'll all automatically win.

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Oh wait, even with all scum + all stubborn town voting me, it isn't enough to lynch me.

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Because non-stubborn town won't vote me. So if scum wants to mislynch me, they'll have to all out themselves (yeah, they'll lose the game if they do) and try to get some player sthat still don't listen on my wagon.

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If the non-stubborn town were more active, we could have a wagon on scum, not a scum wagon on town.

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What makes you think you're so important?

Because I'm obvtown.

Do you think I can make more than half the playerlist townread me as scum?

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Kyouko and davesaz are indeed scum.

Though, Sondam is receiving the most resistance.

Anything weird there?

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Oh btw, I'm back at scum!Caesar.

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VOTE: Sondam

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Creature (4): nancy, Nero Cain, Alisae, MathBlade

Btw, there must have scum there. I doubt scum would do nothing when a wagon on obvtown appears.

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The wagon is not any better either.

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Nero Cain has been confbiasing me the entire game.

MathBlade I just don't trust his reads at all even if I townread him.

Alisae looks the most awkward on my wagon.

You idk, never completed a game with you.

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MariaR has an experience where she opposed the majority and governed the lynch onto me. Guess what? I was town.

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Your problem isn't on what you're doing, it's on what you're not doing.

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You're TRing Creature because you think his scumgame is so bad that he can't get TRed?

I can't fake my town expressions. And decent players don't read me just by post count.

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First I usually don't have any interess as scum. So if I am scum I have to fake interess, and that's not what I like to do.

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Watch out that scum can easily pick one flaw in one post and say it's scummy.

The only lie in it is that scum claims the flaw is scummy.

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Anyone up to wagon Sondam?

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Anyone up to wagon Sondam?

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If nancy, Nero Cain, Alisae and MathBlade are all town, scum don't even need to be town to win the game.

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Btw, make sure I don't get lynched unless nancy proves I can fake my play here as scum with samples.

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Btw, anyone that uses VCA as reasoning at this point should be ignored (preferably on all reads).

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Sorry, nancy. I don't want to be lynched to prove that you're being bad at this game.

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It's like saying "X is scum because he looks more associated with scum" without any hint on who is the scum he's associated with.

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I'll scumhunt tomorrow.

Atleast try to push some other wagons because scum aren't feeling pressure at all, while they're supposed to be smashed atoms at this point.

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Hey, somewhere linked it somewhere:

DotA mafia.

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If I am lynched before I wake up tomorrow. Whoever voted me after this post should be lynched/killed at all costs.

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Alisae

Nero Cain
Yuri
MathBlade
Leonshade

Elbirn

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Brian Skies
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko
davesaz

Maxous

Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

nancy

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Fixed for OCD purposes

Alisae

Nero Cain
Yuri
MathBlade
Leonshade

Elbirn

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Brian Skies
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko
davesaz

Maxous

Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

nancy

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Scum is in Alisae, Elbirn, Brian Skies, Caesar Wills It, Lil Uzi Vert, ssbm_Kyouko, davesaz, Sondam and NoticeMeSenpai.

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Brian looks bad because he constantly shades me yet doesn't vote.

nancy, why you don't see that?

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Alisae's my only non-townread on my wagon and I don't think my wagon is all town.

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Oh, I forgot LUV is ultra town, strike him.

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NoticeMeSenpai is terrible.

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So far I have Alisae + Brian Skies + NoticeMeSenpai

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The rest I'm not sure, I can't even townread them.

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Who would you wagon from Alisae, Brian Skies and NoticeMeSenpai?

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Has anyone else noticed Creature only scumreading the players at the bottom of the post count?

I feel like the only white sheep with black sheeps.

Wouldn't this make you the ugly duckling then?

I'd rate NoticeMeSenpai my top wagon preference.

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and I'm not willing to lynch anyone I'm not fully convinced will flip scum.

Scum can easily avoid not having anyone fully convinced they're scum.

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You're town.

Maybe if we force a wagon on scum!Notice, nancy will change her mind on me.

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Like NoticeMeSenpai?

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Nero, would you wagon NoticeMeSenpai?

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It's better to start suspecting players that aren't being townread at all yet aren't being wagoned (ie NoticeMeSenpai and Sondam).

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VOTE: Sondam

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If everybody I try to wagon is probably town, then I must be the only scum in the game.

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What's your perfect logic?

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Maybe I can't read you but I can read gerryoat, and so far it hasn't been town.

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Is gerryoat also townreading me?

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Sondam this isn't scum!LUV.
Sorry.

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lol, nancy is using meta to incriminate me but when someone says I don't post that much as scum, she says I changed.

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I doubt you can link a game where I posted more than 300 posts.

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Okay

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Is anyone townreading NoticeMeSenpai? Don't come with associatives.

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I don't see scum!LUV posting that much either.

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Not letting scum get two mislynches.

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Will you not lynch LUV if I flip town?

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idk, is your case on LUV based on meta or just "textbook scumplay"?

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*slams door*

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Tho right now BaeReed Creature REALLY just looks like a dead man walking.

If you mean in the sense scum will surely nightkill me, then yes, I am.

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idk, guess we are the only active there.

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I'm having trouble sorting players as I feel like my PoE is already more narrowed than the number of scum I presume.

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Okay, gonna adjust my reads with yours:

Alisae
Nero Cain

Yuri
MathBlade

Leonshade

Elbirn

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Brian Skies

Caesar Wills It

Lil Uzi Vert

Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko
davesaz

Maxous

Sondam

NoticeMeSenpai
nancy

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Opinions on Caesar Wills It?

Do you think he's scum going under the radar or does he have a real life problem rn?

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I'm wondering if the Sondam townreads actually come from meta or just "textbook townplay/scumplay".

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VOTE: Sodom

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I'm the kind of person that thinks someone usually active being lurky means scum but doesn't think that someone usually lurky being active means scum.

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Hopefully not more than four mafia.

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Feeling like Brian is town.

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VOTE: Caesar Wills It

I'm getting tired of having this around.

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Let's make this a thing.

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Oh wait, I forgot about the Sondam wagon.

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Time to wake up

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Caesar is already a gamesolve

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Nero and Maxous are likely town.

Join Caesar, the promising wagon

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Consider me in the Sondam wagon, switching my vote if more people go for it.

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I have a bunch of townreads, but I'm not sure if I should list them.