Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Akane and Nebby]

Like, you're GOING to use your confbias as a scapegoat upon my townflip.
"Hahaha! Sorry guys, I got confbiased, I totally wasn't scum pushing A+N"
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Yuri he's not.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

You are scum!
Holy fucking shit.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So you're saying that Confbias can only come from town?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

How would scum be Confbias? They arlready know who town is unless this is MB and there's no way to know that unless you are scum.

Also why didn't you respond to 4444?

What is there in 4444 to respond to?

confirmation bias can only come from town
it means being subconsciously biased towards information that feeds the worldview you already have

also how can Nero be a lost, lost soul if he's scum? even without the erroneous confbias def youre still treating him like he's wrong town

Why are you suggesting that I should be treating him differently?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

What is there in 4444 to respond to?

...................................................

shit got real quiet when the pressure on A+N got real. His buddies be lurking.

LOL Doesn't even answer the question.
Jesus: Respond to 4444
Me: What is there to respond to?
Jesus: NVM!

Yeah I'm fucking done with you.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

How can you think he's both wrong/bad/confbiased and scum?

Because I was flailing.

Honestly I don't know anymore if Jesus is town with really fucked up reads or scum that's just laying down pressure on me purposefully to make me look bad because he knows I can't handle it.
I just don't even know anymore.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

What are you implying by 4444 again?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Naaaah, I'm not spoonfeeding you with more shit and my own assumptions.
What are you implying by 4444 again?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

that you fucking lied about how you were treating ABR day 1.

wtf how was I lieing? Cuz that's not a lie.
He dreailed the Yuri wagon.
And ruined town synergy.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Sup. Who needs rope?

Scum thinks I need rope
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

that you fucking lied about how you were treating ABR day 1.

wtf how was I lieing? Cuz that's not a lie.
He dreailed the Yuri wagon.
And ruined town synergy.
-Nebby

yes and I think that's super manipulative. I called you on it and you said that you weren't arguing that.

ABR is also super manipulative.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Sup. Who needs rope?

Scum thinks I need rope
-Nebby

And who would that be?

Nero Cain, ABR, Yuri
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

ABR is always manipulative. It's one of his more endearing traits.

This dude.
By the name of Yuri
Was at L-1 yesterday.
Then ABR came in.
And suddenly Yuri wasn't at L-1.
And there were fights and the town was sturred into chaos.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

DEO that's where my vote is at right now
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Okay!
Hey Brain
I want you to ISO Pine/Ceasar and tell me your thoughts on them.
Take into consideration they were mostly catching up D1 and were mostly coasting.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Talk to Brian about that. Defending yourself is a losing battle.

I'm good at defending people though.

Titus means defending myself because I'm really bad at defending myself if you couldn't tell by now.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Ignoring these schmucks now. They aren't important.

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't wanna iso people in this large ass game. Also, Pine has 5 posts.

Five

. In a 200 page game. Why is he still alive?

Exactly!
So we're killing him today!
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Hi BaeReed.
Remember when LUV hopped on you for that dumbtell?
What are your thoughts on that?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

As for that, do you believe 20+ pages before I woke was a reasonable pace to have expected me to always be on top of? Do you believe trying to get reads through active participation is unreasonable when you're still trying to catch up? I mean I have done the simultaneous catch up & talk thing before as town when I've replaced in to games so that in itself is NAI. Do you believe I was trying to use it as an excuse to avoid taking stances?

It's not a pace it's honestly just a trend I notice (pun not intended) that scum just use that as an excuse to coast while looking like they're doing things. I don't think that's what's happening here with you that is. I did but now I don't as much.

I don't care about your pace, just do whatever works for you.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I've heard Alisae does the same things as scum + I just don't get what they've done in the last few pages. You'll see them and tell me what you think.

In what completed scumgame?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I stopped caring about the push as a whole right now anyways tbh.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I've heard Alisae does the same things as scum + I just don't get what they've done in the last few pages. You'll see them and tell me what you think.

In what completed scumgame?
-Nebby

And who did you hear it from and when?

~~Math

[Akane and Nebby]

There wasn't even a real counter before things got derailed.

I thought Beeboy and my own wagons countered Yuri's at some point. No?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: Brian Skies

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: Brian Skies

Ali is just being Ali lol.

Shit like this makes me question why I townread you again.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Who should my vote be on right now Ali?

Ceaser.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

btw LUV that's actually a good avi for once
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Ali was technically scum in http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70047 although some players don't consider 3p as scum for some reason.

This is interesting.

Will give this a read in a few.

Summary of the game: I play my townclaim and my first post is pratically a claim.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

You're assuming I have those.
I don't have those.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

You're assuming I have those.
I don't have those.
-Nebby

Is MS your first time playing forum mafia?

Yes.
This was a discussion that happened in NY199...
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

You're assuming I have those.
I don't have those.
-Nebby

Is MS your first time playing forum mafia?

Yes.
This was a discussion that happened in NY199...
-Nebby

I was scum, do you think I paid much attention?

I think you payed a lot of attention
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Spoiler: Quotes that Nero could get just by looking at my ISO

Besides, you just advised everyone to pick wonders which match their playstyle. Well, neighborizer matches our playstyle more than anything else.

Is no one gonna point out that the {X, Y} thing is a terrible plan that still gives scum a 50% chance of hitting the PR they want to kill, and a chance to try again for 100% the next night?

Stop announcing PRs. And you also can't select two and say 'no one else take them'. That guarantees one won't get picked. And tells the scum you're either a doctor or a neighbourizer. They'll nightkill EITHER.
Just pick with your playstyle and if you miss out, try again the next day with higher priority for you.

This IS our playstyle, and if we try the next day, we lose it. >.>

Fro99er

why don't we just like... pick the roles we like...

There are 21 players and 5 roles available, I doubt anything important will fall through the cracks. If we turn this into a numbers game it makes poe for claims SO easy a few days down the line.

Pedit I agree with the above.

>Says this
>Tries to prevent us from taking the role we like

Seems legit.

- Akane

Nobody, because we won't have that role due to priority not favoring us because of you peeps.

- Akane

But what if we don't get the role that fits our playstyle? Should both of us twiddle our thumbs because we didn't get the role that fits it? Or maybe you want scum to luck out on priority system and the entirety of town to become vanilla?

[Akane and Nebby]

Look at the spoiler with your FUCKING EYES!
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

BaeReed do you think Vecna v ABR was theatre?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

30 pages and counting.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

@ mostly Brain and anyone else

pls vote Nebby.

They are scum b/c they tried to blame ABR for the Yuri wagon dissipating when it wasn't his fault. When I pointed this out they said that that wasn't what they were arguing. When I posted quotes of them arguing exactly that (4444 they didn't reply. He then goes on to call me confbias while still calling me scum. It doesn't make sense so I feel like they are scum that know that I am town. He then argued that there was nothing to respond to in 4444. While yes, 4444 doesn't ask a direct question, I find it oddly convenient that they have no response to the crux of my case.

Counterpoint: He's a VI (my words) but Spiff thinks that her blaming ABR comes from bad town and the Maria head of Sodom think she wouldn't be this mind boggingly stupid (embellishment mine)

Playing like I replaced in at this point, so I haven't read this part of the game where yuri got wagoned to L-1, but the timeline in your 4444 doesn't add up. A+N says it wasn't their argument and only later, after you've said it was their argument that they ended up saying it. Looks like gaslighting to me. Did A+N ever say that prior to 4378 when you initially brought up the point?

...
...
...
Is this all you have for a catch up Kyouko?
Really?
Really?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: SSBM
I need you to talk about problems.

Who is your biggest townread and why?
Who are you scumreading and why?
What do you make of Vecna v ABR day 1 and why?
What do you make of Maxous' vote on you?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nah I'm not pyramids.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Spif who does have authority to you?
Also PV where you at with reads?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Leon then pressure him besides putting your vote on him?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Like, do the asking questions thingy?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Leon I encourage you to look at Kyouko and Elbrin's ISO.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I have no idea what's even going on anymore.
I just.
Don't
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Yeah PV I did.
I think LUV is town.

[Akane and Nebby]

PV it's possible.
Like they voted for None > Science
and they didn't even consider Arts.
Hell I wouldn't even be surprised if they knew the wonders that Arts would have provided as well.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

PV, I think thinking about it will just cause a headache.
Scum!LUV could have been directing his scumteam to not build any wonders but I just don't know.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

...
...
...
PV what do you make of Notice v LUV?
Ya know, when Notice dumbtelled?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

It starts on page 40 PV.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

PV can you get back to me on 5568?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

No one wubs me ;~;
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Maxous where you at with reads besides your scumread on Kyouko?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

LUV yes they do: They can take it to deny town tree stump.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also have you even read Camm's revenge?
Pine was a global impotentant child (Scum IC) Treestump.
Scum won that game.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The town even KNEW That Pine was WIFOMING them.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Why are you townreading Pine?
Why are you scumreading Dave?

[Akane and Nebby]

Max do you think scum are fabricating a scumread to try to get Pine mislynched?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Maxous why is Elbrin in your townlist again?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Does that mean I'm not allowed to ask why others are doing the same?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

D1 I was.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

It's a slot I want to re-evaluate.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I just don't feel good about it.
Why are you hopping on me about this?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Wowie Math it's like we have so much in common!
-Nebby
pedit: Why doesn't it feel genuine to you?

[Akane and Nebby]

So when I suddenly want to reconsider a read it feels forced. Gotcha.
Let's play a little game where I ask you questions that give you a feeling why I'm worried.
Remember my wagon way back in D1? Elbrin tried to derail it.
Remember when Nero was pushing me today? Elbrin didn't try to derail at all just said I'm obvtown and why.
Doesn't that seem somewhat off to you?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

That's fine.
And I'm still waiting for that response from PV btw, I'm just bored and looking for a need to entertain myself.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Kyouko = Top Quality Vig Shot.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Math that is the ONLY thing they posted since their last post in D1.
Like it feels like it's coasting scum.
Maxous also said some words about him.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

1718
This is when Max voted Kyouko and somewhat explained why.
Max also thought Kyouko's vote on Beeboy was rubbish.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Not in that exact post but somewhere in Max's ISO he says that.

[Akane and Nebby]

Math, ask A+N why they avoided discussing your plan to investigate the pyramids/vig you?

Answer this question please A&N

Don't know why you are telling me to ask A&N :/

Cuz I honestly don't care about it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

The plan.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Dave when you come back why are you haflassing your Creature push if you made it really clear that you scumread him?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Re-evaluated Elbrin: Sparknotes eddition;
During resolution voting sheeps science then sheeps onto none cuz he "turned on his brain"
I have no idea what to even make of 233
973 is a catchup post. In fact, it is his ONLY CATCHUP POST WITH A DECENT AMOUNT OF DEPTH IN IT.
Decides to leave Creature alone for a reason I don't understand in 973
Votes Sondam in 973 cuz why?
973 his points on me makes it really seem like he knows I'm town becuase he's refering to my "town meta" when I don't even have a completed scumgame.
1117 is a really easy vote on Notice.
Around this point it REALLY feels like they are trying to buddy me
1766 is another catchup post that's slightly worse then 973. Derails my wagon here.
Why didn't he townread Spif earlier again?
Sheeps onto Beeboy because he likes Spif. Blatantly buddying Spiff
1894 backs out on the Beeboy wagon.
Also was ignoring Yuri around 2364
Talks about BaeReed being a scumread but puts no pressure on him whatsoever (not even a vote)
Complains about the pace of the game a lot.
Never develops a stance on Yuri besides "null"
Specificly wants ABR to contribute here when Kyouko hasn't contributed much around this point, Ooba hasn't contributed much around this point, Ceasars hasn't contributed much around this point.
180s on Beeboy again
Suddenly forms a townread on Beeboy around the time ABR starts doing stuff and doesn't feel scum!ABR
Votes Beeboy again in 3598
Discredits Meta in 3718
Attempts to discredit Titus
Discredits a push on someone based on flavor in 3837
5027 sheeps onto Ceasar after discrediting flavor
5788 feels like he's trying to discredit all of his play prior to this post.
5791 asking Nero where to sheep AFTER HAVING JUST STATED HE'S GONNA START PLAYING THE GAME!

Elbrin knows what pressure looks like. He's not doing the pressure things. I know in NY199 he faked a gladiator to try to put pressure on LUV. Like, I don't think he's making real attempt to even find scum. Just hiding behind "catching up"
VOTE: Elbrin

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I am a mighty lion.
Hear me rawr.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

BaeReed your thoughts on my Elbrin sparknotes?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And you didn't just A. Replace out if you couldn't keep up with the pace or B. Read overnight becuase?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: SSBM
I need you to talk about problems.

Who is your biggest townread and why?
Who are you scumreading and why?
What do you make of Vecna v ABR day 1 and why?
What do you make of Maxous' vote on you?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'll get the quotes for you.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Spoiler: Relevant Elbrin Quotes

You opened the thread while I'm in class WHYYYY

Idk whats happening or what any of this means but I always rush science to the near exclusion of all else so uhh

VOTE: Science

In other news uhh I did read what the two resolutions do and i'ma stick with science. Giving us the ability to better plan ahead for wonders > possibly giving scum more vote power

Did you see that there is an option to vote for neither?

Did you read the concerns brought up by a few players as to why Sciences is the best option for scum?

We could vote neither but that bores me. I demand to be entertained. Also to lay in my Greek marble chair and be fed grapes by pretty ladies.

I did read the posts with the things but I either failed to grok it or did not understand how it's more advantageous for scum than for us.

...No wait my brain just turned on, okay.

VOTE: No Resolution

Science = scum making plots together, while all the townies sit in their greed and go "oh wow I want that next era wonder" and do fuck all

Barry Bee Benson doesn't strike me as scummy

He's just passionately incorrect

Elbrin why did you suddenly switch from Science to None?

-Nebby

I turned my brain on and decided that nah. It's in the post. Science = scum gains more of an advantage than town + town will just bicker and suboptimally argue/choose over roles and bad things happen

Which head is which btw?

Really Elbrin? Really?
Cuz, the way I see it no resolution was getting popular and you just decided to hop along for the ride.

-Nebby

Jesus god this thread did not need to balloon to 40 pages while I was at work I couldn't even keep up by skimming

I had some posts I liked earlier but didn't get to because the game has moved so fast that now they're like 30 pages ago and thus irrelevant

Vecna, Titusblade, drixx, alisaehydra, spiff, Maxous are all town

Furthermore, lmao why the fuck are people voting for max

Hey look some recent highlights

Spoiler:

Oh yeah did I forget to say that beeboy is now an acceptable lynch?
Cuz they are.
-Nebby

Is there anyone that you don't want to lynch?

For sure!
Frogger, DEO, Spif, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi.

-Nebby

Hey
I just wanted to let you know, you're doing a good job

So far none of my two other scumreads were voted, keep trying.

I don't like anything else creature said and was gonna take a shit on him but this post was so cavalier that I stopped being upset and I will leave him alone for now

Btw reminder not to give any indication of whether you're going for a role today and which role you'd choose.

And when the roles are distributed, don't give any indication of whether you got one or not.

The less scum know about the location of the power roles, the less successful they'll be at neutralizing them.

^ forced.

I mean, that's obvious with any role in any mafia game. Why did you feel the need to point this out?

Because people are still talking about what roles they want to choose when they shouldn't be

It could just be wifom though.

~G

VOTE: Sondam

I AM A MIGHTY LION

HEAR ME RAWR.
RAWR.

I really don't like Garrybote pointing out the wifom there.
Like it sounds like scum trying to discredit more things.

-Nebby

pedit: There's something about his hop onto Spif here that I really do not like.

Keep doing good things you guys

Why is Maxous scum? Why are you so sure they are scum over me that you won't vote someone you just said is scum.

~G

VOTE: Sondham

Do you believe Maxous is scum? Or are you trying to throw more town votes onto his wagon?

~Titus

Titus also doing good work I see

if our brains get too smart they will become self aware and take over our bodys

-Nebby

Truth.

So garrybote/Maria.
You obviously scumread The Deo.
But you took so long to vote them.
What gives my dude?

-Nebby

Alisae-town in my experience likes to use this as a scumtell, or at least gets really annoyed when people don't vote for scumreads, idk here have more points

General ramblings:

Spoiler:

Titus and I seem to be lock-step in a lot of ways this game and I came to a townread here really quick so I'm kinda hype that maybe me and titus have fixed our relationship and now we can mind-meld again and wreck scum.

Her push for science, though I didn't agree with it, is exactly out of titus' playbook and seemed motivated by her desire to run the world (girls)

Sorta tying this together: Drixx mentioned suikoden, where titus took a shit on the scumteam? I was there, she and I recognized each other as town on like page 1 and proceeded to 100% nail scum on intuition and ridiculous role/setup nonsense for a near perfect town win.

Then he mentions space dandy, I was scum that game and let titus and cerb/drixx hydra destroy the game by fighting each other while the 3 of our slots sat in a neighborhood and I sipped my tea

I guess what I'm getting at, aside from my humble bragging, is that I can see Drixx wanting to work with Titus here, given his knowledge of what she can do when shes fucking on point and knowing that if they fight they'll ruin the game, and I can see titus wanting all the pieces in front of her because that's what she does, and frankly I'm happy that they're playing nice because good lord if these two start arguing I might just flake out and anyway they're both town.

Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them

Alisaehydra also Towned to me but I forget all the little details but believe me I saw many things

Have I mentioned that this max wagon is awful and it breaks my heart that it's like entirely my town reads being wrong? Please stop.

Pedit: I wanted to sleep 2.5 hours ago I am not reading the 2 pages of posts that just popped up for no reason, this post is all you get, good bye world

Elbrin why ya hide the vote in the spoilers

-Nebby

Uh fuck u right

VOTE: Sadohom or whatever their name is

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play


As for Nero I see you but I'm still going back to sleep. What you said went over my head but it sounds like Titus just being wrong or something, will re-evaluate sleep consumes me goodbye *dies*

I'm going to be playing catch up the entire game and I can already predict the amount of no fun i'ma have

Pine being a lurk sack bothers me....and I kinda hate Titus pushing so hard to get votes onto Max yet sitting elsewhere.

El, Imma let you sleep but you town reading Titus and hating the Max wagon while Titus was pushing that while avoiding the wagon herself is so bizarre and I want you to talk about it.

Nero is this what you're referring to? Tbh I don't have time to back and check but to the best of my recollection...I think you're saying that titusblade was advocating votes on max but voting for sond; but my interpretation of events was that Titusblade was voting for sond and questioning sond on why they weren't voting for max when they had max as a scumread and they were being wagoned

That's not pushing the max wagon while sitting elsewhere, that's voting for a scumread while questioning why they're being inconsistent and it's 2legit2quit

Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them

Talk to me about this? I haven't liked the way it has been shading The DEO, yet comes across as though it believes they're town when it does.

You and Vecna kinda hashed this out already so uh my response is everything Vecna said.

It's words fill me with good feels and heartsmiles and that's what's most important to me.

And I don't see it as doing shading, it's being snarky and this is fine

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play

That's not even me tho. Nebby = Ali
-Nebby

Tho I know Akane does feel VERY strongly about getting that wonder.
-Nebby

Good lord when I am crowned Thorin, king under the mountain, all hydrae will be abolished forever.

Okay so I was just referring to your hydra as akane because it's the first part of the username

Akane = who?
Nebby = Alisae?

Alisae, baybee, was it not you who was insisting on the neighborizer?

Jae, you just scumclaimed.
Here's why.

The Great Lighthouse (Available only to

non-town

players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

How the fuck is a mason supposed to get it when it's only avalable to NON-TOWN PLAYERS!

Like, holy fucking shit Jae. Scum can't be denied something that's only for them.

-Nebby

So this wasn't a scumclaim,
But it was absolutely Jae trying to fake a townslip and reading the posts afterwards is like lol no

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai

Also Happy Birthday Elbrin.

-Nebby

<3

I think that was actually Malachite lol. It's still town from them tho, I agree.

Who the fuck is malachite

Currently could do Drixx, Maxous and Sondam.

Oh I forgot beeboy

You mentioned notice a page earlier? Why are they not on your list?



Pedit: there always has to be a pedit. No one says anything the whole time I'm typing, and then Titus ninjas me a second before I hit submit.

I had a wall of quotes, sighed and then deleted them and I'm just gonna babble some points instead

1. This akane/Nebby wagon is fucking stupid and I am going to derail it now. There is no reason for it.

2. For those of you complaining that "a&n scumread too many people and are too aggro they're just leaving everyone open as a lynch possibility!"

Having played my past two games with town-alisae, this is literally just what he does.

3. For whoever it was who complained earlier that "a&n is too bothered by being scumread and wants to be liked too much"

Having played my past two games with town-alisae, this is literally just what he does.

4. Seriously Jesus cripes get off of a&n

5. Spiffeh is stupidly town and I will follow him into the dark

6. I had other things to say but I forgot, I should have kept the quote wall but I hate those and feel like no one reads them

7. VOTE: BeeBoy

Vote for beeboy and everything will BEE okay

UNVOTE:

I lied I like beeboy

Or are you protecting ABR?

How is not giving the reasoning for my reads protecting ABR?

I don't even know half of your reads. You know ABR likes to control. You know ABR has an ego. Where is he? Waiting for us to implode right?

Yet, you are allowing him the excuse of doing jackshit and not giving reads by refusing to give reads and tell me where the fuck I am right or wrong when availing myself and giving you every excuse to give reads on every slot.

~Titus

Tbh considering the pace of this game I wouldn't blame someone for seeing the thread blowing up and be like

I don't think I have any feelings towards yuri either way. If I were to do one of those fancy coloured lists you all love so much, his colour would be beige, the most boring of colours.

I like to lynch red, the most violent of colours.

There are also like a ton of people who have done fuckall today that need to check in before I'm comfortable with the day ending

Spoiler: Game

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I is Zs.

If Yuri is scum reads:
{DEO, Creature, LUV, Vecna, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{Jesus, ABR, Spiffeh}
{Maxous, Kyouko}
{Beeboy, Sondam}
{Yuri}

If Yuri is town:
{Yuri}
{DEO, LUV, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin, Spiffeh}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{ABR, Creature, Vecna}
{Sondam, Maxous, Kyouko, Jesus}
{Beeboy}

-Nebby

1. You used Z's instead of X's you fucking monster
2. You used yuri in your reads list after assuming his death and it was really cute

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Titusblade you asked me who is red to me earlier. I want notice roped. Could also go for sondham but thats...they're not red, they're pink. Idk. And I'm low key suspicious of Vecna after some pondering happened in my big brain and I was trying to not out that because I wanted to poke him first.

At some point I decided that I like beeboy but don't remember why but I don't think I wanna lynch there

Nero had me looking at him sideways for his literally backwards reads but I don't think he's scum actually

There's are all the people I want ro call out by name apparently, I can't think of any other examples

I want ABR to contribute
I want Leon to say words again too

I basically have a big beautiful wall of town and a blobby bunch of "who are you people" and not nearly enough scum fucks to gun for.

Why are we lynching with 10 days left

Notice are you still here

Please engage me

Notice me, senpai-NoticeMeSenpai

@Titusblade

I'm pretty sure yuri is town here

I'm not feeling good about abr scum and kinda feel like the tiff that you and him are having is entirely personal and not game related

That is all

Elbrin how do you feel about Beeboy.

VOTE: Beeboy

ABR should be objecting to Caesar's pushing as scum because it's his style of posting and his scum strategy and he isn't.

he quoted a bunch of flavour from towngames

He posts it in short bursts as town. He combined a few things to make it more look volumous. I did a selected sample. You can compare the two in ISO if you want a fuller picture. ABR would be objecting to this type of behavior if town because its his scumgame.

Don't rock the boat.
Try to pressure things but not really.
Post long flavor garbage that makes shit harder and easier to buddy by name.

So to be clear
Abr is scum because you've applied his meta to another player.

10/10

The doubt has been cast.

This wagon will either confirm it or clear them.

Win or loose, we still win.

No we don't. We lose a town and let ABR fracture us.

That's a huge loss to me.

"Disagreeing with Titus" =/= "Fractured town"

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

I literally just cased it awhile back.

He overly flavorly spams with Player names as scum.
He avoids conflict deliberately and randomly needles. He advised us to do that in our Cyberpunk PT.

Yet, when Caesar does that, it's no problem.

Dude are you just fucking scum obscuring this?

But he flavors as town too and gave examples of it. I also don't see how including names or not matters or just omg what is this conversation

When I'm scum I pick my nose and wipe it on the couch. Except I also do that when I'm town. And ABR farted on the pillows HE IS SCUM LYNCH HIM NOW

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

What's happening?

I have a light gut scumread on you.

vote Nebby with me.

God, no.

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

Caesar is finally getting rope.

~Titus

FOUR LEGS GOOD
VOTE: Caesar

You know what, fuck it. I'm not reading 40 pages of stupid bullshit and noise, you can all go fuck yourselves

UNVOTE:

The game begins now.

Hi everyone

we are out of RVS, sheep me

Whom am I sheeping you onto, newfriend?

Forgot some more things
208 also is like "Eh, he's just wrong"
2800 is basicly "Engage me, but I'm not going to ask you anything hahahahaha lol XDDDDDDDD"
3718 he disregards the meta usage on ABR but uses meta to analyze me? Huh?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

<3 no, babe.

Lynch this
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also fuck formatting holy fucking shit

@MOD is it possible to fix formatting?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

ffs Nero it's not X-mas no more take off the santa hat.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Eh, was worth the ask.
Thanks anyways mod.

Why can't the pyramids talk come from scum?
What makes you think the town have priority over scum?
Can you expand on your Nero scumread?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Mathblade claimed he built stonehenge

Also what about his ISO isn't pretty?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also Mathblade wants pyramids to claim for some reason.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

She replaced Spiff.
BTW nancy want a fun assignment?
Look back at your previous slot holder's ISO when you get the chance and tell me what you think of it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Spoiler: Relevant Elbrin Quotes

You opened the thread while I'm in class WHYYYY

Idk whats happening or what any of this means but I always rush science to the near exclusion of all else so uhh

VOTE: Science

In other news uhh I did read what the two resolutions do and i'ma stick with science. Giving us the ability to better plan ahead for wonders > possibly giving scum more vote power

Did you see that there is an option to vote for neither?

Did you read the concerns brought up by a few players as to why Sciences is the best option for scum?

We could vote neither but that bores me. I demand to be entertained. Also to lay in my Greek marble chair and be fed grapes by pretty ladies.

I did read the posts with the things but I either failed to grok it or did not understand how it's more advantageous for scum than for us.

...No wait my brain just turned on, okay.

VOTE: No Resolution

Science = scum making plots together, while all the townies sit in their greed and go "oh wow I want that next era wonder" and do fuck all

Barry Bee Benson doesn't strike me as scummy

He's just passionately incorrect

Elbrin why did you suddenly switch from Science to None?

-Nebby

I turned my brain on and decided that nah. It's in the post. Science = scum gains more of an advantage than town + town will just bicker and suboptimally argue/choose over roles and bad things happen

Which head is which btw?

Really Elbrin? Really?
Cuz, the way I see it no resolution was getting popular and you just decided to hop along for the ride.

-Nebby

Jesus god this thread did not need to balloon to 40 pages while I was at work I couldn't even keep up by skimming

I had some posts I liked earlier but didn't get to because the game has moved so fast that now they're like 30 pages ago and thus irrelevant

Vecna, Titusblade, drixx, alisaehydra, spiff, Maxous are all town

Furthermore, lmao why the fuck are people voting for max

Hey look some recent highlights

Oh yeah did I forget to say that beeboy is now an acceptable lynch?
Cuz they are.
-Nebby

Is there anyone that you don't want to lynch?

For sure!
Frogger, DEO, Spif, Elbrin, Vecna, Uzi.

-Nebby

Hey
I just wanted to let you know, you're doing a good job

So far none of my two other scumreads were voted, keep trying.

I don't like anything else creature said and was gonna take a shit on him but this post was so cavalier that I stopped being upset and I will leave him alone for now

Btw reminder not to give any indication of whether you're going for a role today and which role you'd choose.

And when the roles are distributed, don't give any indication of whether you got one or not.

The less scum know about the location of the power roles, the less successful they'll be at neutralizing them.

^ forced.

I mean, that's obvious with any role in any mafia game. Why did you feel the need to point this out?

Because people are still talking about what roles they want to choose when they shouldn't be

It could just be wifom though.

~G

VOTE: Sondam

I AM A MIGHTY LION

HEAR ME RAWR.
RAWR.

I really don't like Garrybote pointing out the wifom there.
Like it sounds like scum trying to discredit more things.

-Nebby

pedit: There's something about his hop onto Spif here that I really do not like.

Keep doing good things you guys

Why is Maxous scum? Why are you so sure they are scum over me that you won't vote someone you just said is scum.

~G

VOTE: Sondham

Do you believe Maxous is scum? Or are you trying to throw more town votes onto his wagon?

~Titus

Titus also doing good work I see

if our brains get too smart they will become self aware and take over our bodys

-Nebby

Truth.

So garrybote/Maria.
You obviously scumread The Deo.
But you took so long to vote them.
What gives my dude?

-Nebby

Alisae-town in my experience likes to use this as a scumtell, or at least gets really annoyed when people don't vote for scumreads, idk here have more points


General ramblings:

Titus and I seem to be lock-step in a lot of ways this game and I came to a townread here really quick so I'm kinda hype that maybe me and titus have fixed our relationship and now we can mind-meld again and wreck scum.

Her push for science, though I didn't agree with it, is exactly out of titus' playbook and seemed motivated by her desire to run the world (girls)

Sorta tying this together: Drixx mentioned suikoden, where titus took a shit on the scumteam? I was there, she and I recognized each other as town on like page 1 and proceeded to 100% nail scum on intuition and ridiculous role/setup nonsense for a near perfect town win.

Then he mentions space dandy, I was scum that game and let titus and cerb/drixx hydra destroy the game by fighting each other while the 3 of our slots sat in a neighborhood and I sipped my tea

I guess what I'm getting at, aside from my humble bragging, is that I can see Drixx wanting to work with Titus here, given his knowledge of what she can do when shes fucking on point and knowing that if they fight they'll ruin the game, and I can see titus wanting all the pieces in front of her because that's what she does, and frankly I'm happy that they're playing nice because good lord if these two start arguing I might just flake out and anyway they're both town.

Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them

Alisaehydra also Towned to me but I forget all the little details but believe me I saw many things

Have I mentioned that this max wagon is awful and it breaks my heart that it's like entirely my town reads being wrong? Please stop.


Pedit: I wanted to sleep 2.5 hours ago I am not reading the 2 pages of posts that just popped up for no reason, this post is all you get, good bye world

Elbrin why ya hide the vote in the spoilers

-Nebby

Uh fuck u right

VOTE: Sadohom or whatever their name is

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play


As for Nero I see you but I'm still going back to sleep. What you said went over my head but it sounds like Titus just being wrong or something, will re-evaluate sleep consumes me goodbye *dies*

I'm going to be playing catch up the entire game and I can already predict the amount of no fun i'ma have

Pine being a lurk sack bothers me....and I kinda hate Titus pushing so hard to get votes onto Max yet sitting elsewhere.

El, Imma let you sleep but you town reading Titus and hating the Max wagon while Titus was pushing that while avoiding the wagon herself is so bizarre and I want you to talk about it.

Nero is this what you're referring to? Tbh I don't have time to back and check but to the best of my recollection...I think you're saying that titusblade was advocating votes on max but voting for sond; but my interpretation of events was that Titusblade was voting for sond and questioning sond on why they weren't voting for max when they had max as a scumread and they were being wagoned

That's not pushing the max wagon while sitting elsewhere, that's voting for a scumread while questioning why they're being inconsistent and it's 2legit2quit

Vecna achieved obvtown levels earlier and I really want DEO hydra to not be salty at them

Talk to me about this? I haven't liked the way it has been shading The DEO, yet comes across as though it believes they're town when it does.

You and Vecna kinda hashed this out already so uh my response is everything Vecna said.

It's words fill me with good feels and heartsmiles and that's what's most important to me.

And I don't see it as doing shading, it's being snarky and this is fine

I woke up because I temembered what I wanted to say about akane, which is this: their insistence on getting the neighborizer, a piss poor role, to the point that they seem ready to throw a fit and will just "twiddle their thumbs" if they don't get it, struck me as so very much an alisae-move and it makes no sense as a scum-play

That's not even me tho. Nebby = Ali
-Nebby

Tho I know Akane does feel VERY strongly about getting that wonder.
-Nebby

Good lord when I am crowned Thorin, king under the mountain, all hydrae will be abolished forever.

Okay so I was just referring to your hydra as akane because it's the first part of the username

Akane = who?
Nebby = Alisae?

Alisae, baybee, was it not you who was insisting on the neighborizer?

Jae, you just scumclaimed.
Here's why.

The Great Lighthouse (Available only to

non-town

players) Factional topics you are a part of gain day chat as long as you are alive.

How the fuck is a mason supposed to get it when it's only avalable to NON-TOWN PLAYERS!

Like, holy fucking shit Jae. Scum can't be denied something that's only for them.

-Nebby

So this wasn't a scumclaim,
But it was absolutely Jae trying to fake a townslip and reading the posts afterwards is like lol no

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NoticeMeSenpai

Also Happy Birthday Elbrin.

-Nebby

<3

I think that was actually Malachite lol. It's still town from them tho, I agree.

Who the fuck is malachite

Currently could do Drixx, Maxous and Sondam.

Oh I forgot beeboy

You mentioned notice a page earlier? Why are they not on your list?



Pedit: there always has to be a pedit. No one says anything the whole time I'm typing, and then Titus ninjas me a second before I hit submit.

I had a wall of quotes, sighed and then deleted them and I'm just gonna babble some points instead

1. This akane/Nebby wagon is fucking stupid and I am going to derail it now. There is no reason for it.

2. For those of you complaining that "a&n scumread too many people and are too aggro they're just leaving everyone open as a lynch possibility!"

Having played my past two games with town-alisae, this is literally just what he does.

3. For whoever it was who complained earlier that "a&n is too bothered by being scumread and wants to be liked too much"

Having played my past two games with town-alisae, this is literally just what he does.

4. Seriously Jesus cripes get off of a&n

5. Spiffeh is stupidly town and I will follow him into the dark

6. I had other things to say but I forgot, I should have kept the quote wall but I hate those and feel like no one reads them

7. VOTE: BeeBoy

Vote for beeboy and everything will BEE okay

UNVOTE:

I lied I like beeboy

Or are you protecting ABR?

How is not giving the reasoning for my reads protecting ABR?

I don't even know half of your reads. You know ABR likes to control. You know ABR has an ego. Where is he? Waiting for us to implode right?

Yet, you are allowing him the excuse of doing jackshit and not giving reads by refusing to give reads and tell me where the fuck I am right or wrong when availing myself and giving you every excuse to give reads on every slot.

~Titus

Tbh considering the pace of this game I wouldn't blame someone for seeing the thread blowing up and be like

I don't think I have any feelings towards yuri either way. If I were to do one of those fancy coloured lists you all love so much, his colour would be beige, the most boring of colours.

I like to lynch red, the most violent of colours.

There are also like a ton of people who have done fuckall today that need to check in before I'm comfortable with the day ending

If Yuri is scum reads:
{DEO, Creature, LUV, Vecna, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{Jesus, ABR, Spiffeh}
{Maxous, Kyouko}
{Beeboy, Sondam}
{Yuri}

If Yuri is town:
{Yuri}
{DEO, LUV, Frogger, Drixx, Elbrin, Spiffeh}
{Notice, PV}
{Ooba, Caesars, Leon}
{ABR, Creature, Vecna}
{Sondam, Maxous, Kyouko, Jesus}
{Beeboy}

-Nebby

1. You used Z's instead of X's you fucking monster
2. You used yuri in your reads list after assuming his death and it was really cute

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Titusblade you asked me who is red to me earlier. I want notice roped. Could also go for sondham but thats...they're not red, they're pink. Idk. And I'm low key suspicious of Vecna after some pondering happened in my big brain and I was trying to not out that because I wanted to poke him first.

At some point I decided that I like beeboy but don't remember why but I don't think I wanna lynch there

Nero had me looking at him sideways for his literally backwards reads but I don't think he's scum actually

There's are all the people I want ro call out by name apparently, I can't think of any other examples

I want ABR to contribute
I want Leon to say words again too

I basically have a big beautiful wall of town and a blobby bunch of "who are you people" and not nearly enough scum fucks to gun for.

Why are we lynching with 10 days left

Notice are you still here

Please engage me

Notice me, senpai-NoticeMeSenpai

@Titusblade

I'm pretty sure yuri is town here

I'm not feeling good about abr scum and kinda feel like the tiff that you and him are having is entirely personal and not game related

That is all

Elbrin how do you feel about Beeboy.

VOTE: Beeboy

ABR should be objecting to Caesar's pushing as scum because it's his style of posting and his scum strategy and he isn't.

he quoted a bunch of flavour from towngames

He posts it in short bursts as town. He combined a few things to make it more look volumous. I did a selected sample. You can compare the two in ISO if you want a fuller picture. ABR would be objecting to this type of behavior if town because its his scumgame.

Don't rock the boat.
Try to pressure things but not really.
Post long flavor garbage that makes shit harder and easier to buddy by name.

So to be clear
Abr is scum because you've applied his meta to another player.

10/10

The doubt has been cast.

This wagon will either confirm it or clear them.

Win or loose, we still win.

No we don't. We lose a town and let ABR fracture us.

That's a huge loss to me.

"Disagreeing with Titus" =/= "Fractured town"

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

I literally just cased it awhile back.

He overly flavorly spams with Player names as scum.
He avoids conflict deliberately and randomly needles. He advised us to do that in our Cyberpunk PT.

Yet, when Caesar does that, it's no problem.

Dude are you just fucking scum obscuring this?

But he flavors as town too and gave examples of it. I also don't see how including names or not matters or just omg what is this conversation

When I'm scum I pick my nose and wipe it on the couch. Except I also do that when I'm town. And ABR farted on the pillows HE IS SCUM LYNCH HIM NOW

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

What's happening?

I have a light gut scumread on you.

vote Nebby with me.

God, no.

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

I'm still 20 pages back

What's happening?

Caesar is finally getting rope.

~Titus

FOUR LEGS GOOD
VOTE: Caesar

You know what, fuck it. I'm not reading 40 pages of stupid bullshit and noise, you can all go fuck yourselves

UNVOTE:

The game begins now.

Hi everyone

we are out of RVS, sheep me

Whom am I sheeping you onto, newfriend?

Forgot some more things
208 also is like "Eh, he's just wrong"
2800 is basicly "Engage me, but I'm not going to ask you anything hahahahaha lol XDDDDDDDD"
3718 he disregards the meta usage on ABR but uses meta to analyze me? Huh?
-Nebby

Cut down the Elbrin quotes so it's easier to read.
-Nebby
pedit:I hopped off ABR for Beeboy because I wanted the day to end and I scumread Beeboy for his play because he wasn't making attempts to lay down pressure, and for some reason he didn't want to obvtown himself.

[Akane and Nebby]

Also what about his ISO isn't pretty?

@Nancy

Also @LUV what do you think of my Elbrin case?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

UNVOTE:
Hi, catching up.
Also last time I checked Elbrin looked really frustrated in my responses and I honestly have no idea what to make of it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

but you've already, supposedly, iso read people so I'm not sure why you couldn't have taken the 2 seconds and multiquoted posts and then maybe said why you found them scummy.

We agree on something!
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: ABR

FLASHWAGON ABR

Ok
VOTE: ABR

[Akane and Nebby]

So Uhh you guys want to Lynch Kyouko yet?
How many times does he gotta pop into the thread and say jackshit?

Bruh I'm down.
Just hit me up my dude.
/me gives you a cell number.

[Akane and Nebby]

lol LUV being manipulative.
That's cute.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

lol LUV being manipulative.
That's cute.
-Nebby

I think A&N is a good pick too.

Pick for?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I'm here.
AMA
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh now people want Kyouko.
Fine by me.
VOTE: Kyouko
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

^
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Elbrin why did I scumread you again?
I genuinely don't remember.
Cuz that looks like townposting.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

It's okay I can just blame Math.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Dave because he's a scumread of mine.
Also
VOTE: Vecna
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Dave because he's a scumread of mine.
Also
VOTE: Vecna
-Nebby

Wait you hopped from ABR to me and then quickly hopped off but went to Vecna instead of back to ABR. Why? Like I know you're whimsical with your vote but why not back to ABR, why to Vecna?

I see the whole ABR v Vecna thing as scum theatre.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also ever since nancy joined in I don't even know whats happening anymore, I don't have a hydra partner to talk to or get in sync with.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Brian I'm getting scumread for my recent posting.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Which has been shitty because tbh I've been skimming since nancy's replace-in.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also Senator Nebby has no quarrels with the Ceasar's suspiscion on them.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

UNVOTE:
I need a reset and to get my head back into this game.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

What does a Nancy replace in have to do with anything?

It's not her specificly just a point in time where I just sorta ended up not knowing what was even going on after that.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Pine is having fun he must be scum

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Caught up, AMA.

What is your name?
What is your quest?
What is your favorite color?

Why is your name Leonshade?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

This is where I'm at with reads btw.
AMA.
{PV, Nero, nancy, BaeReed, You, Elbrin,Brian}
{Ceasar, Yuri, Sondam, Maxous, Dave, LUV, Leon}
{ABR, Vecna, Creature, SSBM}
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A reset. Also you're not my 2nd highest you're just a townread.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A reset

go on

Your push on me was towny, the only thing I don't get is that other people were saying the exact same thing yet you were pushing me for it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Titus/Math Day 1 I recall them saying something similar.
Also it's just a strong gut feeling that it's coming from town moreso then scum. Like in 5095 you completely misinterpreted "Where should I vote Ali" as "Should I vote Ali" and I feel like town would misread that moreso then scum.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Then I assume you think Math is scum trying to defend their scum buddy?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Please do finish what you started Vecna.
btw Vecna can you gimmie two scumgames?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A&N please explaim to me why you think I'm teamed with abr all of a sudden. Do you really believe all that i did was an aggressive bus?

Honestly that whole thing really just sorta came off as theatre to me tbh.
-Nebby

Also the games Vecna is talking about in case anyone wants to read:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67145
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69418

[Akane and Nebby]

Where was this exactly?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't care about that association stuff until there's a scumflip.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A&N please explaim to me why you think I'm teamed with abr all of a sudden. Do you really believe all that i did was an aggressive bus?

Honestly that whole thing really just sorta came off as theatre to me tbh.
-Nebby

Also the games Vecna is talking about in case anyone wants to read:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=67145
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69418

What part of it did you think theatrical? Because you seemed to agree with me at the time, and you never mentioned it as theatrics until now if im not mistaken

I did a reset Vecna.
Also gut.
But I did mention it earlier, it just something about that interaciton just seemed really really fake.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Wait isn't ABR asking to be replaced a player specific policly lynch for him or am I just straight up wrong on that?
And yeah I honestly just completely forgot that post and find myself agreeing with it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Just your hop back onto Beeboy was just wierd.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

tbh I've been mostly hush hush about my reads from somewhat after Nero was tunneling me to now.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I find it interesting you're considering me as an option now for reasons I don't want to mention.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Don't want to.

[Akane and Nebby]

Also you talk like you have authority which you don't considering people are voting outside of Vecna/ABR/Me
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

tbh I've been mostly hush hush about my reads from somewhat after Nero was tunneling me to now.

Why?

~reasons~

But the really interesting part is you dont try and counter any of the points i have brought forward.

What does this tell you about my alignment?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

~reasons~

cough them up

If I wanted to I would have by now.
What does this tell you about my alignment and why?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

~reasons~

cough them up

If I wanted to I would have by now.
What does this tell you about my alignment and why?
-Nebby

It either tells us you have no defense or that youre ok with us wasting our energy barking up the wrong tree. Neither of these are pro-town behaviour.

So not defending myself is not pro-town behavoir? I didn't know. What's scummy about this again?

~reasons~

cough them up

If I wanted to I would have by now.
What does this tell you about my alignment and why?
-Nebby

and why wouldn't a town you explain said reasoning? I mean yeah, I've been in games with really hard headed anti-town and that's a possibility...sure....but I also think its equally plausible that you are scum hiding behind "I'm not giving reasons!" Also me and Vecna obv think you are scum so you repeatedly asking us what we think it means is p lame.

I have my reasons for wanting to stay hush hush. I don't have to tell you those reasons.

A&N why a read reset? What do you hope to accomplish, besides obviously justifying trying to get me lynched?

If I was trying to justify getting you lynched why isn't my vote on you?
And I had a read reset because of a lack of interest and I rather show some interest in playing the game rather then just coast. There was a point where I just didn't know what was going on so I figured I might as well reset.
Oh yeah, and why can't town make inconsitentcies too?

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I don't have to tell you those reasons.

I don't have to town read you.

Cuz you're going to magically and suddenly decide to townread me.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Caesar what have you upon Senator Vecna's push on me?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So you think it's Barbarian motivated?
Got it.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So why your hesitation to help me bus my partner? Get on with it already

Oh I am so tired of you playing this card.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Math, ABR is VLA. He hasn't posted because he's VLA. You know this. Why are you pushing this as a reason to wagon him?

Why do you feel obligated to defend him right now?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And you're attacking math for it?
nancy, you confused Nebby.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

So why your hesitation to help me bus my partner? Get on with it already

Oh I am so tired of you playing this card.
-Nebby

Oh really? Because you also stated it is scum theatrics in your recent 180 turn around. So if you really do believe this, you wouldnt mind voting it.

But its good to see you dont actually believe it and are just full of it.

No I hate it because I feel like it's scum WIFOM
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

A&N is town ive decided

Okay, I actually wanna hear why you townread me now.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Dave because he's a scumread of mine.
Also
VOTE: Vecna
-Nebby

Wait you hopped from ABR to me and then quickly hopped off but went to Vecna instead of back to ABR. Why? Like I know you're whimsical with your vote but why not back to ABR, why to Vecna?

I see the whole ABR v Vecna thing as scum theatre.
-Nebby

I felt like hydra slipping so I did.

[Akane and Nebby]

This is an invisible L-1 vote.
ABR should claim.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Any special reason you don't make it a real L-1 vote?

To prevent a lolhammer. Also this gives me the feeling he has something to claim:

Don't lynch me without a claim.

-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Hi Aslan. Predictions on the fakeclaim?

A cute, and fuzzy kitten.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I have a fun game!
Let's take a drink everytime Pine hydra slips.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Sure!
I was going to drink water anyways
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh yeah btw I don't believe the claim for a second, but I'll be a good little boy and wait for a CC If one were to so happen.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also this Kyouko flashwagon is lol and making me second guess my SR on him.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

They call me thor due to my mighty hammer!
VOTE: ABR
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

ABR were you scum?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

BTW I knew I wasn't going to hammer.
I checked like 20 times to make sure I wasn't going to hammer.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nah no worries.
I used your negligance to try to fake hammer. So overall you helped :3
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Elbrin did you see his claim?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

He's basicly saying he built the Statue of Zeus.
It's an ancient era wonder.
Look at page 1 to see what it does.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

LOL ABR is full of shit.

If anyone noticed Nahdia kept saying that we'd have the entire game setup known eventually.
That means the priority list.
That means the priority list is on the first post.
That means that almost the entire game would have to reject the Statue of Zeus despite multiple people wanting it.
ABR has been saying he'd be building a wonder today multiple times (should memory serve and I will get the link later)

Lynch ABR.

I confirm <redacted> as scum or town.

And we get a huge leg up.

ABR has demonstrated a give no fucks to even read the game so killing him is one of the worst things because then he'd just kill town anyway because then he'd have an "ahaha" moment (sarcastic) where he'd claim he thought someone else was more scummy than us.

Lynch ABR please.

Elbrin read this
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I like Stonehenge better.

Alright let's both draft vig and whoever gets it we agree to shoot luv.

Also these are interesting.
Don't you think?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Okay dudes, I'm gonna do something I don't like to do. I'm going to quote the sign-up thread for you, because it seems people are misinterpreting an earlier answer I gave and it's important to me that this be something that is understood in the course of this game. To be clear, this is information

you already have

.

The second goal was to reduce the amount of speculation that needed to go into the game on the part of the players. Too often I feel theme games are bogged down by consideration of various mechanical possibilities, discussions of what the mod would or wouldn't do, et cetera. Civilization Mafia strives to achieve both of these goals via a system that blurs the line between closed and open setup. Rather than having everything revealed at the start, or nothing absolutely confirmed until death scenes or the very end, each day more and more of the setup is unlocked. And as this occurs, all the new possibilities are revealed. You will enter the setup knowing nothing, but as the game evolves,

players will always be aware of the full scope of possibilities the game presents even as the setup evolves.

[Akane and Nebby]

Okay dudes, I'm gonna do something I don't like to do. I'm going to quote the sign-up thread for you, because it seems people are misinterpreting an earlier answer I gave and it's important to me that this be something that is understood in the course of this game. To be clear, this is information

you already have

.

The second goal was to reduce the amount of speculation that needed to go into the game on the part of the players. Too often I feel theme games are bogged down by consideration of various mechanical possibilities, discussions of what the mod would or wouldn't do, et cetera. Civilization Mafia strives to achieve both of these goals via a system that blurs the line between closed and open setup.

Rather than having everything revealed at the start, or nothing absolutely confirmed until death scenes or the very end, each day more and more of the setup is unlocked. And as this occurs, all the new possibilities are revealed.

You will enter the setup knowing nothing, but as the game evolves,

players will always be aware of the full scope of possibilities the game presents even as the setup evolves.

Also Elbrin why do you think ABR would build zeus? Why do you think ABR would get nightkilled?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Oh hi dave. How are you dave?

A. He had one and I wanted to see it, but I was guessing Zeus, Gardens, or Mausoleum if he even had one.
B. I honestly don't know how to answer this. Why are you even asking this? Seems to be leading nowhere to me.
C. I'm not understanding what you're getting at.
D. Suuuuuuuuure...
E. Suuuuuuuuure...
D. I think it's AI because I just don't find it believable that ABR built Zeus.

Why are you asking this? Just seems like this line of questioning is leading nowhere to me.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also Elbrin why do you think ABR would build zeus? Why do you think ABR would get nightkilled?
-Nebby

He's ABR and he's absolutely full of himself and thinks he's getting shot. He builds Zeus and then dicks around about it so no one catches on that he has it.

Solved

Why would scum shoot ABR again?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also she should be suspicious as hell of A+N if she believed that A+N had first priority.

Why?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

frogger died.

So?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

frogger died.

So?
-Nebby

Who would you have protected if you were the doc?

Frogger.
But you think I have the doc wonder?
What made you think I had any wonder.
At all.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

But you think I have the doc wonder?
What made you think I had any wonder.
At all.

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: Nay

The only good option.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

how do you know what their scum play looks like?

Because I just finished a game with scum!Leon as his scum buddy
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Also btw Leon is town.
I don't think he would go to the efforts he is now to defend me if he was scum, a better play for him would be to just read the table, see that the table wants me, and go along with that. Like he did in Spyro with Aella.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Add davesaz to the above scumpool.

What do you think of dave's push on Creature upon replacing in and then backing out becuase townreads wanted them to?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

how do you know what their scum play looks like?

Because I just finished a game with scum!Leon as his scum buddy
-Nebby

link


Though I also agree with Vecna that LUV defending Skies hammer is funky and Creature is still scum.

Bruuuuuuuuuh he just linked it in that post.
Are you even reading? Or are you just scum?
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70313
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

VOTE: Creature
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Top SR is Kyouko, and I like Brian after that.

Brian maybe but Kyouko is most likely town.
Move along.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Nonsense, Senator Nebby. This council has made little if any serious action towards convicting you, it costs Senator Leonshade nothing to defend you against what small tribulations have been thrown your way. This would, indeed, be a classic tactic for the traitorous, as it gains them an ally for no cost.

If thou hast serious cause to clear the Senator's name, Caesar shall hear thy petition. Until then, We admonish thee for being so easily swayed.

Ahem. The morning is yet freshly upon Us, and We forgot to clear Our throat.

Senator Creature, We remind thee that noble Jupiter made an announcement to that effect some time ago.

Your majesty, Senator Nebby has played with Traitor!Leon, and thus asks for you to trust Nebby here. If you would like records to compare Leon to, have him as a senator ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=69708 ) and as a traitor ( viewtopic.php?f=23&t=70313 ).
-Nebby
pedit: I'm not convienced BaeReed is scum, sorry.

[Akane and Nebby]

NoticeMeSenpai.

your case plox.

mastin2 - Steven Universe 2 - Different

How do you know Mastina has even posted?
Because BaeReed said multiple times they haven't.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

Hell, then what mastin2 is doing?

mastin2 feels different because I am not noticing her.

Mastin try to sign your posts.

mastina isn't playing. All JaeReed.

Mastina hasn't even read up. The point of the hydra is that she teaches me based on my play how to play better. She won't be giving me reads or reasons or anything.

So, she won't be spoonfeeding me, just guiding, and that's once she's less busy and has an idea of what's going on.

[Akane and Nebby]

scum!Leon atleast makes an attempt to read the table. If Leon was scum I garentee you he would be going after me right now and he's not doing that.
This makes me think he's town.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I feel like shamelessly OMGUSing Vecna.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

^
town Ali doesn't talk about it, he OMGUS' like a poor mans Titus.

vote:A+N

Lol that's a reach.
I'm voting Creature because my SR on them is stronger.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

bullshit. In 199 you were ally OMGUS all the time.

I was also new and getting settled on MS in 199 as well.
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

I feel like shamelessly OMGUSing Vecna.
-Nebby

How about your respond to my points, instead of this filler crap?

Naaaaah.
Am I scum for not responding to your points and if so why?
-Nebby

[Akane and Nebby]

And oh fuck it.

@MOD can Alisae replace the hydra? I don't think the other head is going to be playing anytime soon