Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[The DEO]

HAMMER BEEBOY

Never a boring game with vecna around.

How the fuck can you willingly lynch town knowing ABR and Caesar are scumfucks?

I dont know anything.

Oh come on don't play semantics with me.

How the fuck can you willingly lynch probable town knowing ABR and Caesar are probably scumfucks?

Sometimes you need to plant a seed before you can grow a bunch of flowers titus.

Nah, no flower speak jackass. Stop gamethrowing and just get back to lynching scum. This type of king of the world play is just pants on face dumb.

[The DEO]

ABR should be objecting to Caesar's pushing as scum because it's his style of posting and his scum strategy and he isn't.

he quoted a bunch of flavour from towngames

He posts it in short bursts as town. He combined a few things to make it more look volumous. I did a selected sample. You can compare the two in ISO if you want a fuller picture. ABR would be objecting to this type of behavior if town because its his scumgame.

Don't rock the boat.
Try to pressure things but not really.
Post long flavor garbage that makes shit harder and easier to buddy by name.

So to be clear
Abr is scum because you've applied his meta to another player.

10/10

The doubt has been cast.

This wagon will either confirm it or clear them.

Win or loose, we still win.

No we don't. We lose a town and let ABR fracture us.

That's a huge loss to me.

"Disagreeing with Titus" =/= "Fractured town"

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

[The DEO]

No joke though, Vecna's turnaround is incredibly fishy. He looks like he's playing both sides and trying to end the day on any lynch. I accept your 4th Frogger.

So am I if it has any shot of hitting scum realistically.

You're looking for any acceptable lynch on town and voting town for being dumb rather than actually being scum.

[The DEO]

If I was voting town for being dumb, guess who would be first on my list. Guess.

Unfortunately for me, there's about zero percent chance of me being lynched.

[The DEO]

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

[The DEO]

Can you guys just vote ABR? We get a scum lynch, regroup, come back tomorrow.

[The DEO]

I'm going to get drunk and blatantly ignore this thread but for Elbrin's question.

I'll let Math catch up too.

~Titus

[The DEO]

You're kidding me.

I'm dealing with a bunch of people shooting themselves in the foot
Obvious scum derailing lynches and hard defending each other
A hydra partner who absolutely is ultra paranoid to the end of the earth
People who try to make the game personal all game long

I'd sub out awhile ago, but then that would be strategic and still likely lead to Math destroying the town with Vecna/LUV/Spiffeh/Frogger paranoia.

I don't want to be here. If you have a master plan, get it done. I can't force people to vote scum or do the right thing.

[The DEO]

Titus, guide me.

Vote ABR

[The DEO]

In all seriousness, ABR shows up and now we're running around with our heads chopped off?
Town was super fucking cohesive, we had Yuri at L-1, everything is great, until he shows up.
-Nebby

This plus ABR is defending players he should be scumreading.

[The DEO]

ABR is his normal town self

He's abrasive af and gets on people's nerves

People are trying to take advantage of that by pushing a bullshit lynch on him

He's town, knock it off

And where was this abrasiveness earlier BEFORE we settled on lynching Yuri?

After being a scumpartner, that's just his nature as "abrasive".

[The DEO]

VOTE: Vecna
If I can't get Luv I'll get his knight
Pedit: Spiffeh <3

You're seriously making me wonder whether you're scum again

[The DEO]

VOTE: Vecna
If I can't get Luv I'll get his knight
Pedit: Spiffeh <3

You're seriously making me wonder whether you're scum again

If ABR flips scum I'll take a wagon with open arms but he's not
~Maria

Seriously, I try to work with you because Math's all Sondam is TOWWWWWWWWWWWWN but really, you and I can never get on the same wagon. There's always an excuse.

[The DEO]

Maria Read list:

Albert B. Rampage Spiffeh NoticeMeSenpai

Yuri Nero Cain

The DEO

Maxous PeregrineV Creature

Caesar Wills It ssbm_Kyouko Dave Drixx

beeboy Elbirn

Vecna Akane and Nebby

Fro99er Leonshade

Lil Uzi Vert

No.

I am willing to do ABR, Caesar, SSM, PeregrineV as hitting scum.
Notice or daveaz or you as a compromise.

I am townreading Beeboy on down.

[The DEO]

I feel like we should compromise on Beeboy and end the day with that.
town!Beeboy = scum!ABR
scum!Beeboy = town!ABR and most likely scum!Vecna
Am I doing this right yet?

-Nebby
pedit: Nahdia it's okay mistakes happen

No. This type of thinking is fucking terrible, even though I'll get an ABR lynch out of it.

[The DEO]

A&N lining up lynches? Quick, lynch it with fire!

Terrible town, not terrible scum.

Seriously, I need to be gone and get drunk.

No one ask anything. We know where I'm willing to vote.

[The DEO]

Titus town is dissfuncytional to the point where I think the Beeboy flip will help us get functional again.
-Nebby
pedit: Maxous that's actually not a bad vote.
pedit2: lol.

So your solution is to reward the cause of it?

Fucking a.

This is absurdity.

[The DEO]

Titus whats the problem with pushing ABR after a beeboy townflip exactly
who cares about 'giving scum what they want' like a scum lynch is worth a town mislynch every damn time

obvs i dont believe the above scenario will happen tho

Not if the scum lynch isn't guaranteed. It isn't. It's just placification.

Frogger, if you get my number two townread lynch, there will be words after this. MASSIVE words.

[The DEO]

That's a gambit and you damn well know it is.

[The DEO]

Ok Titus that's fair

Pedit which is a gambit

VEcna's vote move. He wants to 1 v 1 ABR.

Look at the composition of both wagons in the VC.

[The DEO]

That's a gambit and you damn well know it is.

No, I don't know it.

Yes you absolutely do.

And if you didn't, you can look to see who the hell is pushing it. Lurkerbait, ABR, vote hoppers.

[The DEO]

Yuri, it's not a "vanity vote" if other people help lynch him.
And I think plenty of others are willing to - in fact creature quoted them earlier.
I haven't read a lot of this but 9/10 times I see a creature post it suggests he ain't town.
And creature tends to be an easy town-read

Dude, since PyP, you need to reset your methods on identifying town.

[The DEO]

ABR should recognize that Caesar is scum because Caesar is using his playbook.

Oh Titus, my poor, sweet titus.

*sits down, grabs titus' hands**looks into eyes*

You don't make ANY fucking sense, darling.

You encounter scum playing your idea scum strategy, do you defend them? Yes or no?

My ideal scum strategy isn't necessarily someone else's scum strategy

Also being overly flavorful is
1. Not some sort of scum mastermind plan
2. Is verifiably not alignment indicative for ABR

And is such a fucking weird thing for you to push on

I literally just cased it awhile back.

He overly flavorly spams with Player names as scum.
He avoids conflict deliberately and randomly needles. He advised us to do that in our Cyberpunk PT.

Yet, when Caesar does that, it's no problem.

Dude are you just fucking scum obscuring this?

[The DEO]

My temper is about as short as a Black Cat right now.

[The DEO]

Remember that time Vecna brought up there are 5 scum.

Those were the good ole days

Remember when you told me that was nothing and not to be concerned.

Right. Either it's a thing or it isn't.

[The DEO]

Yuri, it's not a "vanity vote" if other people help lynch him.
And I think plenty of others are willing to - in fact creature quoted them earlier.
I haven't read a lot of this but 9/10 times I see a creature post it suggests he ain't town.
And creature tends to be an easy town-read

Creature is voting me. I think he's scum. Help me lynch his partner Vecna.

Yo ABR creature is town.

Seriously

Yo! ABR isn't town.

Seriously.

[The DEO]

Actually.
Jesus fucking crist.
What the fuck am I doing...
This town went fucking crazy and nuts and not focused on Yuri once ABR started doing things...
Timing is kinda conveniant actually.
-Nebby

BINGO

FLASHWAGON ALBERT B SCUMLORD

Titus, the foundation is in place. Now hammer Beeboy to see what theyre made off

VOTE: Beeboy

LET THE DIE BE CAST

COOKIE MONSTER WHAT THE HELL IS THIS SHIT

Titus.
Look at this with a clear mind.
And ask yourself "Is Vecna's behavoir here townish? Is it towny to plant this kind of paranoia and foundation in the town? Is it towny to vote with someone you just voted and scumread?"
-Nebby

Yes. He's absolutely wanting to 1 v 1 ABR. It was the only way to draw attention to it.

[The DEO]

Remember that time Vecna brought up there are 5 scum.

Those were the good ole days

Remember when you told me that was nothing and not to be concerned.

Right. Either it's a thing or it isn't.

Wait did I really say that?

I don't even remember

I don't remember who specifically said, but I was talked down on this point. For a reason.

[The DEO]

Titus re-read early D1 around the part where LUV was a scumread that was getting attention.
Does Vecna defending LUV the way he did back there look like whiteknighting? Because it does.
-Nebby
pedit can I post?

I'm not rereading shit. I don't in a good mood in a good game. I especially don't go fucking fish.

If there's a particular post you want me to look at, or post range, ok. Otherwise, I'll stick with fuck no.

[The DEO]

Vecna has never rushed to my aid ever this game so I'm not sure what you're on about.

A blatant lie.
Hold on let me go get more posts.
-Nebby

This is kinda true on both parts.

Vecna never really "aided" LUV because LUV hasn't faced significant pressure because LUV is obvious town.
No, I don't feel recognizing another player's town meta is whiteknighting.

[The DEO]

Smack me if I come back within 24 hours unless someone asks a direct question.

@A and N, You'll find a collection there with me and Drixx, me and you, me and Beeboy, me and well all of fucking town.

[The DEO]

Wtf is going on??

~~Math

I will read the explosion when I get home. Titus said it was ABR scumploding (paraphrase). Someone explain to me what is going on.

I will be home in less than 2 hours but more than one.

[The DEO]

Home finally but super sleepy. Taking a catnap.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Ok, I'm going to come in here. I said I'd just watch, but this needs commenting on.

Why your hydra partner claims to have terrible reads, you should try to detail what reads each has, where you disagree, and why you disagree. Ideally, hydras should speak with one voice, one vote, one plan. If that fails, people should know

why

, to read each head individually.

@A and N, Honesty and Genuiness is not alignment indicative. It just isn't. Scum get pissed. Town can be irrationally calm. The catch is figuring out WHY they post what they do.

[The DEO]

That's different. Then say you feel it comes from town. Saying it feels genuine just tells me you haven't gotten to the place as to why MariaR is pissed/frustrated.

I don't like the fact the hydra is rushing here to disagree. They may be frustrated where to go but MariaR's slot isn't confbiased for days. They have reads that could be improved, but that's what the hydra is for.

[The DEO]

Personally I think Titus was the pot calling the kettle black there.
I can't talk tho because Akane has still yet to get back to me about things ;~;
-Nebby

I said should. I can't control my hydra partner. *shrug* Especially when they don't believe in syncing.

[The DEO]

Sooo..../..in one corner we have my original scumread Vecna. Vecna lied about not defending LUV from being lynched and did t actually do anything productive towards making a case of why ABR should be lynched but screams it repeatedly and with many neon colors.

Then in this corner we have ABR. 3715 and 3722 is such a weird dichotomy shift. ABR doesn't explain why Vecna is no longer confirmed scum and then lies in 3764 about Vecna never being a townread for him.3369 is terribad. In 3659 he clearly does townread Vecna and says he won't bargain with him.

Rule of three also states that if ABR is scum then based on 3277 he is almost certainly scum with one of Maxous,PV, Spiffeh, Frogger AND one of Beeboy LUV Creature.

This reads like a big orchestrated plot to not vote Yuri but get the vote on Beeboy. It is too similar to what I did in JaeReed in Shadowrun Mafia. I completely validated his feelings about the scout slot but said we could come after it later.

I may be crazy but Vecna,ABR, LUV, Spiffeh,Yuri all look horrible with a buddied case of Frogger to go.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Also after ABR hopping on Beeboy now makes him look even worse.
Like that hop is baaaaaaaaaaad.
-Nebby

Why?

After that whole 1v1 drama with Vecna ABR finally decides to backpedal and go with Beeboy.
Sure he might still be SRing Vecna or something but it just looks like he wants an easy out.
-Nebby
pedit: Okay, that looks like scum coasting.
pedit: Ok. VOTE: Caesar

I couldn't agree with you more on the wanting an out but vote is misplaced IMHO.

And stop suggesting people should replace out. It is horrible. Stop it.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Last sentence is to Frogger. Read the player to see if their rage is genuine. Don't try to make the player fit what you want.

I townread Pine here for making a post. Undertale was also super fast and had a similar complaint with the same tone. I scumread the lack of activity and Pine had the same anger.

I townread the Caesar slot.
~~Math

[The DEO]

Relace out

Quit being a butthole

Posts like that don't help and I already explained why

[The DEO]

UNVOTE:
I sympathize with Pine honestly.
Mostly with the Aero flaking part.

Also Math, any other reasons behind the Pine hydra TR?
-Nebby

More of having seen Pine have a very similar reaction when I scumread Pine's lack of activity in Undertale. It feels to consistent and similar to come from scum. My gut here says Caesar is town.

This and prior post ~~Math

[The DEO]

This isn't about effectiveness at all.

It's about scum not bussing and town not compromising, so scum like ABR can shit up the thread and divide us and guess what, no one can do a shit because everyone thinks they're better than everyone else.

Working together isn't about just where your vote is. It's about what you do to help other people. To that end, town really fucking dismantled. The townblock should just pick someone and go with it until they are lynched and check on it. Not everyone will be happy, but everyone NEEDS a lynch at this point.

~Titus

[The DEO]

This isn't about effectiveness at all.

It's about scum not bussing and town not compromising, so scum like ABR can shit up the thread and divide us and guess what, no one can do a shit because everyone thinks they're better than everyone else.

Working together isn't about just where your vote is. It's about what you do to help other people. To that end, town really fucking dismantled. The townblock should just pick someone and go with it until they are lynched and check on it. Not everyone will be happy, but everyone NEEDS a lynch at this point.

~Titus

lol there is no Townblock sis. Except maybe us and A&N and Sondham and Creature. But pretty sure not everyone agrees.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Frogger, please stay.

I know Pine gets on your nerves. It's unacceptable. This town needs you though.

~Titus

[The DEO]

This isn't about effectiveness at all.

It's about scum not bussing and town not compromising, so scum like ABR can shit up the thread and divide us and guess what, no one can do a shit because everyone thinks they're better than everyone else.

Working together isn't about just where your vote is. It's about what you do to help other people. To that end, town really fucking dismantled. The townblock should just pick someone and go with it until they are lynched and check on it. Not everyone will be happy, but everyone NEEDS a lynch at this point.

~Titus

lol there is no Townblock sis. Except maybe us and A&N and Sondham and Creature. But pretty sure not everyone agrees.

~~Math

Fucking God.

[The DEO]

Frogger I swear to god I will slap you.
You're being immature.
Stop it.
-Nebby

I swear I am a hydra with Nebby this game. Rotflmbo.

We just like are there.

~~Math

(This is obviously a joke about how well Nebby and I are mind melding.)

[The DEO]

Frogger I swear to god I will slap you.
You're being immature.
Stop it.
-Nebby

Then slap me

I'll stay in

Thank you.

[The DEO]

And math can go piss off if they think I'm scum.


I don't want that head to talk to me at all

Did you even read my last post where I call you Town?

~~Math

[The DEO]

No but this is too many posts like really. Talking 2 you too DEO

Nebby's vote onto Caesar then unvote was actually awful

I'm actually TRYING to reduce the amount of posts I have. You try coordinating town with one hand constantly undoing what you do and TRing all your scumreads and refusing to stop posting while you get in sync.

[The DEO]

No but this is too many posts like really. Talking 2 you too DEO

Nebby's vote onto Caesar then unvote was actually awful

I'm actually TRYING to reduce the amount of posts I have. You try coordinating town with one hand constantly undoing what you do and TRing all your scumreads and refusing to stop posting while you get in sync.

Because this isn't Titus gets to post while we sync and I have to not post until we sync (meaning I agree with her). Neither of us or both of us should post. The hydra isn't a dictatorship Titus.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Frogger I swear to god I will slap you.
You're being immature.
Stop it.
-Nebby

I swear I am a hydra with Nebby this game. Rotflmbo.

We just like are there.

~~Math

(This is obviously a joke about how well Nebby and I are mind melding.)

A 3 way hydra does sound fun. Let's do it sometime?

i'm so fucking sick of why pine gets to lurk and it's all fucking ok and I'm fucking sitting here trying to untie town and nobody will fucking listen to each other

I'm absolutely fucking sick of it

I get that feeling but Pine is a busy dude. And uniting town is a good thing.

Nebby's vote onto Caesar then unvote was actually awful

Everything I do is awful to you, and I am okay with that becuase you've been confbiasing me all game.

-Nebby

Paying off my student loans would not be enough fucking money.

[The DEO]

No but this is too many posts like really. Talking 2 you too DEO

Nebby's vote onto Caesar then unvote was actually awful

I'm actually TRYING to reduce the amount of posts I have. You try coordinating town with one hand constantly undoing what you do and TRing all your scumreads and refusing to stop posting while you get in sync.

I'm real tired of your hydra. I like you both, but this is ridiculous. You both need to promise to stop posting for a bit, none of this 'i said i was gonna leave but i have to say THIS THING IMMEDIATELY'. It's not productive it's not helpful. if something u disagree with happens make a note of it and don't post. Unless someone is about to get quicklynched, you have time to say your piece later. BOTH of you have gotta stop posting while you talk. Youve been here nonstop

Well lynch us. Math isn't going to obey what you say here. I can't stop them, so I have to fix what they do. If I didn't, they'd wreck this game. I could sub out and you lynch us. That would be lynching conftown, but we can maybe get somewhere tomorrow.

VOTE: beeboy

I can't complain about rewarding the ABR scumfuck anymore because Math is just that much more bad for this game.

[The DEO]

VOTE: ABR

Stop voting Town because you are pissed at me.

[The DEO]

VOTE: ABR

Stop voting Town because you are pissed at me.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Point proven.

[The DEO]

if you wont replace out then stop posting

You are despicable for suggesting someone replace out

Do you need me here Frogger, or do you feel Drixx can do my VCA?

[The DEO]

Point proven.

So I vote a mutual scumread bad for Town.
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean bad for Town.

People are seeing merit in what I say.
I may be right and I may be wrong.
But I am putting it out there and seeing IF I am right or wrong.

Disagreeing with your reads doesn't make me "bad for Town". It means we don't agree that is all.

~~Math

Pedit despicable human being is too far. Butthole or asshole appropriate.

Stop suggesting people should quit mafia or replace out.

This is a game of FUN.

[The DEO]

Titus,

I want you to remain here way more than I want to remain here myself

Then I will stay but we're going to need to help each other. I need you to tell me what you need for this to go smoother. Not just me gag math but what helps you catch scum. How to get those tools and why. This day 1 is far well established for my VCA and the long term data provided I leave, regardless of how accurate my reads are.

You have my vote, if you can convince Math to do what it is. I'd rather get ABR or Caesar, but I don't really care about being right at this point.

I have what I need to crack the game later if we fail today. To get scum lynched is another matter. I know that means working with Math but I just cannot move our vote to their townreads without them moving it, which means our vote is on town anyway.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Well minus ABR which they came around on...

[The DEO]

Even mr winkey face didn't help

Mr. Winkey Face is a lazy bastard.

I'm going to bed now.

[The DEO]

Gagging me is not a solution.
You did that in Thing Mafia and I replaced out due to absolute toxicity on Skype for suspecting Magna scum and ruining your town block.

Suggesting people you disagree with not post is not a solution.
Being convincing on reads and laying cards on the table is a solution.

Everyone here is so busy calling each other idiots and suggesting they replace out that a townblock IMHO is not effective here.
There are other ways to play mafia and lynch scum other than a town block where people are inherently excluded for a dissonant voice.

Instead people talk about their reads and make cases. A town block only works if it is right. Stop trying so damn hard to make one and just try to lynch scum and see what people's reactions are and then find the team based on that.

Mafia is scum hunting not a popularity contest.
Sleep for me sounds fun then being told I have to agree with Titus and Frogger to post.

~~Math

[The DEO]

4040

Vecna is trying to get me to talk about how to sabotage you. What he has demonstrated is patently false. Disagreeing with her does bring out emotions and I am aware of that. However If those emotions are right you have fucked yourself into a loop of disaster.

What Vecna really wants is for me to talk about how to manipulate you by posting something so blatantly false. If manipulating you with that was so easy he would have done it in PyP. He didn't and you had almost the entire scum team. I won't tell him how to manipulate you because that isn't the answer. He posts this to get me to continue to scumread ABR (oh which he is the lighter of my reads).

However if he was really appealing to my Town nature he would have to understand that based on his own argument that would put me and you at odds because of you and I disagreeing on reads.

Vecna is literally begging for information on how to destroy you. Please help me lynch this scum tomorrow after ABR today. I would prefer Vecna but I am trying to compromise with you on ABR please Titus.

~~Math

[The DEO]

i can only speak for myself, but:

Beeboy is the concensus vote that helps sort people and intentions. Its a decent information vote. Im not as convinced its scum as others but it does further town goals and create coherance. It lets us know whether we can trust spiffeh's instincts. Also a scum flip would resolve this ABR situation since it likely means I was dead-wrong.

Id still strongly prefer an ABR vote since im very convinced he's scum. Ill go for beeboy as a backup option, but would be a lot less happy to do so.

At least if Beeboy flips town, people will be on my side tomorrow to lynch ABR.

Please Titus. With a post like this it is almost certain Beeboy flips Town.

[The DEO]

Well crap that was supposed to be in our PT.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yes. And I think ABR is bussing you and I think Yuri is scum.

~~Math

Gotta go but so much wrong in what you and ABR are posting.

[The DEO]

I agree on LUV. Talk w/ me about Leon b/c he is a pretty hard town read.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I don't scumread Vecna at all.

You [Vecna] were never a townread.

Yuri, it's not a "vanity vote" if other people help lynch him.
And I think plenty of others are willing to - in fact creature quoted them earlier.
I haven't read a lot of this but 9/10 times I see a creature post it suggests he ain't town.
And creature tends to be an easy town-read

Creature is voting me. I think he's scum. Help me lynch his partner Vecna.

I don't scumread Vecna at all.

VOTE: Vecna

Why did you turn around on Vecna?

I didn't turn around. My reads have been the same since the start of the game.

[The DEO]

The timestamps don't matter.

The game didn't have or need an RVS stage. Your first vote when we were allowed to vote for people was for me which strongly implies you thought I was scum. You couldn't have forgot.

What really happened is that you didn't have a read on me at all and parked your vote in hopes that a wagon would've started while you were gone.

We cannot lynch two scum per day. This scumread requires fighting Math on heavily. ABR doesn't.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Not a scumread = neutral. Vecna went neutral to scum. Everything is consistent in a linear way. Even if it wasn't, still wouldn't be scummy. You're dumb for trying to attack me in every game thinking this is the time you will catch me as scum. You will always be wrong.

I don't scumread Vecna

at all

.

[The DEO]

ABR always does "this shit" as either alignment.

The key difference is Town!ABR doesn't lie.

ABR lied. Usually he has to lie by d2 or D3 if scum so just let ABR shit post til like d2/D3/d4 and a read in him comes up.

~~Math

Spiffeh -- Let it go. Let it go. Can't hold it back anymore. << Let the Beeboy read go. Seriously Beeboy is obvTown from a Yuri pivot done by ABR and Vecna to buy time.

[The DEO]

For example ABR said Frogger take the lead even if he voted him and as soon as he did ABR discredited him.

ABR lied.

ABR is scum.

Lynch him.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You're a weak bitch Frogger. That's what I think of you, personally.

Cool. I think so too

Frogger, don't engage the insult game. He'll pull you to his level and beat you with absurdity.

You're a frog, not a dog. So how can you be a bitch?

I love you.

[The DEO]

Sorry Titus. I do think beeboy is scum.

I understand you do. I cannot get there. Even if I could see Beeboy as scum, I just feel this is rewarding ABR's toxic play of personal insults that we need gone from the game. We win even if ABR flips town.
Lynch ABR with me? If he flips town, we can do beeboy tomorrow.

[The DEO]

Drixx, apologies for 3988. No excuse.

[The DEO]

I just feel this is rewarding ABR's toxic play of personal insults that we need gone from the game. We win even if ABR flips town.Lynch ABR with me? If he flips town, we can do beeboy tomorrow.

The truth comes out. It was personal all along. Ever since my first 5 posts, and 48 hours without posting, she came after me strong on little to no reason. Now she reveals why. Personal. Bias.

And this is what I'm talking about. ABR is always going to try and make this an ego fest when it isn't. He's outright telling his agenda in the thread.
He wants to be the one in control. He views whatever decision I make as wrong. He's been actually doing that since the start, just attack Titus.

This is an unhealthy dynamic and blocks coordination and lynching scum.

[The DEO]

We won't let cowardly scientists determine our actions. They may feature low cunning but they are incapable of decisive action. What we need is leadership. Oppenheimer may have discovered the atomic bomb, but it was Truman who authorized the launches. We have to make the hard calls ourselves. Never let the scientists tell you the odds. We the hardworking, the talented, the men and women with true grit and determination, will choose and live with our decisions.

Right here. You're fluff posting but just directly opposing what I need done. In like all of them.

[The DEO]

Hey guys, before this phase ends...

Let's all make a pledge to not proclaim that everyone is terrible, and YOU ALONE CAN FIX EVERYTHING IF ONLY YOU WERE LISTENED TO.

Ok?

Look forward to winning with you

This pledge went out the window.

P-edit. Ok Spiffeh.

[The DEO]

Stop talking to each other

So, Spiffeh, what do you need to see ABR is scum and toxic?

[The DEO]

Voting ABR because of his toxicity is a weak excuse to hop on the counterwagon to scum.

Ngl I've skipped all of Caesar's posts because I don't have the patience to decipher all of it but if beeboy flips scum or ABR flips town (like I'm expecting them to) they will be in the hot seat tomorrow.

Except you haven't convinced me he's scum. ABR's exit to beeboy convinces me he's just buddying you at this point. Everyone who he's disagreed with (me, frogger, vecna) being the big ones, he's attacked personally. That type of toxic manipulation prevents town from working together.

I see ABR's scum game as don't push anything for the first few pages. He did that. He came out and just started shitting on all the towns players and buddying you.

Suppose for one minute that you're wrong on Beeboy, what happens to your read of the gamestate?

Suppose ABR's town and I'm right on scum, ABR will oppose because he thinks of me as a piece of shit.

[The DEO]

That Caesar vote was horrible. I just happen to think ABR is Caesar's partner.

I don't see ABR ever working with me. I tried throughout the game, but he won't.

If you me spiff luv work together, same result.

[The DEO]

If we can all cooperate, we'll be fine.

Titus, ABR, Nero, me, spiff.

We'll be good to go if we can all just agree we are all town.

Agreed.

Will you lynch Casear, or SSM?

[The DEO]

Will you lynch Casear, or SSM?

3/5 of us want Beeboy. Has Nero weighed in yet?

That's not an answer ABR.

Three of 5 want Beeboy, which means 2 of 5 don't.

[The DEO]

Caesar, SSBM, Leon, davesaz...

I might be missing something.

Yessss

Plus Max, Sondam, Notice,

Those 7 are my worse than null group

I could do Caesar or SSSM. Sondam and Notice, I don't feel great about. I think Sondam is just on the outside of a townblock and rebelling like Math. It's NAI though.
Daves feels a little better. Leon meh maybe but I don't really feel it.

[The DEO]

Skype is a thing.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Beeboy wagon is dumb. Talks of wanting a town block with Titus but not me are dumb and/or manipulative.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: Beeboy

We are done with this fucking day.

Spiffeh, you need to come up with a plan to have ABR act like a decent person. Right now, that isn't it. Unlike Math, I don't need to be right. ABR dies tomorrow, regardless of this flip.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Thank fucking god.

VOTE: ABR

Titus I am hunting right now. Let me.

[The DEO]

Beeboy wagon is dumb. Talks of wanting a town block with Titus but not me are dumb and/or manipulative.

~~Math

Uh.

You are included with titus

Really? You think I am? And Spiffeh and ABR didn't notice I am missing either?

How do you have a town block with half a hydra?

~~Math

[The DEO]

intent to hammer. I'm leaving in 2 hours so you guys have 2 hours for any final thoughts.

Nero, just vote. It'll be like hammering anyway. Then I can finish the day. Everyone wants that who is town here. I can't be middle vote, Math will just move it.

We'll have ABR shitting all over the thread with personal insults anyway, but this will at least move the game forward.

~Titus

[The DEO]

intent to hammer. I'm leaving in 2 hours so you guys have 2 hours for any final thoughts.

You need two votes.

I put ours back on a scumread.

Jesus wtf has happened to this day when the majority of people are lynching a townread just to end the day when we could have had a scum one multiple times?

When people form a town block with half a hydra and no one complains?

This is nuts.

Fix your shit before ending the day.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: Beeboy

Drixx, please catch up and help me tomorrow. We need to get rid of ABR or force him to actually be decent. You'll see.

~Titus

[The DEO]

i do wonder what the actual count is rn tho

Pedit spiff i will probs hammer but u gotta admit accidental premature lynches suck

Not when they're on scum

Explain why I am not on your town block but Titus is.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Wtf people Noooo I was still hunting!!!

*bangs head against wall*

~~Math

[The DEO]

I never made a town bloc

You consented to Froggers.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: Natural

You are seriously suggesting we play the entire game as vanilla because scum could go back and get a prior power.

What's next? Hey guys how about we deny Town the power to vote b/c scums could hammer a townie?

This is seriously getting old.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Fro99er not being protected was p. dumb but w/e

Whatever, he played really stupidly. If he stuck with Vecna, we would have lynched scum.

Or you. Either is fine by me.

Or Spiffeh.

~~Math

That Beeboy lynch why???

[The DEO]

Fro99er not being protected was p. dumb but w/e

Do you think that whoever built hanging gardens is scum?

Do you think this question helps you find scum?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Mathblade you can't actually still think I'm scum lmao

I do.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You are seriously suggesting we play the entire game as vanilla because scum could go back and get a prior power.

As much as I hate most of what Ali says this was not his argument.

I'm exaggerating.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Spiffeh, you are on our to sort list. How do you feel on ABR and Caesar? If you could lynch one player, who would it be and why?

Vote Natural with us?

[The DEO]

That Beeboy lynch why??

I kinda feel like there's a ton of scum in the loud posters that artificially dragged the day to create town apathy.

How does the Hanging Gardens help you figure out which loud poster you think it is?

~~Math

[The DEO]

The likelihood that a wonder from a previous age wasn't built is low, so Natural isn't likely to be that useful anyway. Slight scum advantage since they have a bit more info as to what was built.

This is bad. Natural is for each era.

~~Math

[The DEO]

That Beeboy lynch why??

I kinda feel like there's a ton of scum in the loud posters that artificially dragged the day to create town apathy.

Nah, there's a ton of scum in the lurkers. Town posting was ego. We almost settled things when ABR wrecked it.

We are probably looking at something like Caesar/ABR/Elbrin/Perv/SSM/Sodham/Nero/Spiffeh but Math disagress

[The DEO]

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Any results from yesterday's task of who was buddying you?

[The DEO]

Mathblade you can't actually still think I'm scum lmao

I do.

~~Math

Im starting to get around to this way of thinking

ABR + Spiffeh seems possible.

Spiffeh didnt care about lynching beeboy at all. I wanted to trade him my vote for asnwers to questions - he ignored at least 6 of them.

ABR slippin the noose is a joke.

Jaereed is still scum as well.

JaeReed is town. He is not American/European. Most players are Americans/Europeans.

There is just no one online for him to talk to. When he is on he posts well.

Yuri slipping the noose is a joke. Looked at the votes. Pretty much screams Spiffeh scums. Just needing Titus to see it.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: Natural

You are seriously suggesting we play the entire game as vanilla because scum could go back and get a prior power.

What's next? Hey guys how about we deny Town the power to vote b/c scums could hammer a townie?

This is seriously getting old.

~~Math

You know that vanilla do the most scumhunting, right?

Meh. PR is not alignment of amount of scumhunting to me.

Denying Town tools doesn't make Town inherently better.

~~Math

[The DEO]

That Beeboy lynch why??

I kinda feel like there's a ton of scum in the loud posters that artificially dragged the day to create town apathy.

Nah, there's a ton of scum in the lurkers. Town posting was ego. We almost settled things when ABR wrecked it.

We are probably looking at something like Caesar/ABR/Elbrin/Perv/SSM/Sodham/Nero/Spiffeh but Math disagress

I approve of these reads.

Why no Jaereed though?

JaeReed feels like dumb town. Like I would compromise on them but I feel they are town, Math hard TRs them, I just can't. Maybe tonight we will get to interact.

[The DEO]

Natural seems like it might make some people try to build wonders that arent even there anymore.

Aren't we given the chance to try each night to build a wonder?

Right. Everyone should still build today's wonders if possible. Natural just lets us go back if we see at mass claim that shit done goofed. For instance, if no one grabbed Pyramids.

Drixx, I am listening to Ticks by Brad Paisley. Good lyrics. Mildly dirty though.

[The DEO]

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Any results from yesterday's task of who was buddying you?

The only people I saw that looked like buddying to me was Vecna and a bit of Micky on the topic of games before but besides that no not really.

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Lol

Why do people want Culture again?
-Nebby

So what if scum know what pr's/wonders are built what's the big deal if we know what were built and it becomes public less room for fake claims.

Really, I find this hard to believe. How come you and Math cannot get in sync?

[The DEO]

VOTE: Natural

You are seriously suggesting we play the entire game as vanilla because scum could go back and get a prior power.

What's next? Hey guys how about we deny Town the power to vote b/c scums could hammer a townie?

This is seriously getting old.

~~Math

You know that vanilla do the most scumhunting, right?

Meh. PR is not alignment of amount of scumhunting to me.

Denying Town tools doesn't make Town inherently better.

~~Math

How is town being denied anything?

Arts -- Denied who knows what in lynch powers
Sciences -- Ability to plan wonders
Natural -- Ability to grab old unbuilt wonder after mass claim that could help us break the game or if someone lied about picking one up.
Cultural -- Meh not seeing too much use in that.

Repeatedly voting none disregards what Town can do.
We win when we are positive and think we CAN do things.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Any results from yesterday's task of who was buddying you?

The only people I saw that looked like buddying to me was Vecna and a bit of Micky on the topic of games before but besides that no not really.

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Lol

Why do people want Culture again?
-Nebby

So what if scum know what pr's/wonders are built what's the big deal if we know what were built and it becomes public less room for fake claims.

Really, I find this hard to believe. How come you and Math cannot get in sync?

I have no idea what you mean.

You are opposing me and Math constantly, yet you're claiming the only guy buddying you is Vecna or Mickey? That doesn't seem consistent with the gamestate. Vecna agrees with Titus head.

Like, would you two lynch Caesar or ABR today?

6 pedits. Jeez.

[The DEO]

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Any results from yesterday's task of who was buddying you?

The only people I saw that looked like buddying to me was Vecna and a bit of Micky on the topic of games before but besides that no not really.

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Lol

Why do people want Culture again?
-Nebby

So what if scum know what pr's/wonders are built what's the big deal if we know what were built and it becomes public less room for fake claims.

Really, I find this hard to believe. How come you and Math cannot get in sync?

I have no idea what you mean.

You are opposing me and Math constantly, yet you're claiming the only guy buddying you is Vecna or Mickey? That doesn't seem consistent with the gamestate. Vecna agrees with Titus head.

Like, would you two lynch Caesar or ABR today?

6 pedits. Jeez.

Buddying is trying to get on my good side. Do you see anyone trying to get on my good side by buddying besides those 2 cause I didn't. I don't want to lynch ABR and I want Caesar to post more before I think on lynching him
~Maria

Where's the incentive for scum to talk if you'll never lynch them if they remain quiet? You were willing to lynch Yuri and beeboy for being quiet allegedly yesterday.

What are Gerry's thoughts?

[The DEO]

Repeatedly voting none disregards what Town can do.We win when we are positive and think we CAN do things.

We should wait for something worth voting for.

There is a resolution each day. Voting none doesn't change that. Read the first post.

@Spiffeh: Careful the last person to call me bad was scum. The only scum.

[The DEO]

For each ask these quesitons.1. How does this help town?2. How does this help scum?3. Does this help scum MORE than it helps town?If the answer to 3 is yes, then you vote NONE, no matter what the answer to #1 is.

Exactly.

Theory spam. Having a failsafe at the end of the game for non chosen wonders is good. Culture is bad. Letting scum know what PRs are in play...why?

Natural wins.

[The DEO]

VOTE: Natural

You are seriously suggesting we play the entire game as vanilla because scum could go back and get a prior power.

What's next? Hey guys how about we deny Town the power to vote b/c scums could hammer a townie?

This is seriously getting old.

~~Math

You know that vanilla do the most scumhunting, right?

Meh. PR is not alignment of amount of scumhunting to me.

Denying Town tools doesn't make Town inherently better.

~~Math

How is town being denied anything?

Arts -- Denied who knows what in lynch powers
Sciences -- Ability to plan wonders
Natural -- Ability to grab old unbuilt wonder after mass claim that could help us break the game or if someone lied about picking one up.
Cultural -- Meh not seeing too much use in that.

Repeatedly voting none disregards what Town can do.
We win when we are positive and think we CAN do things.

~~Math

For each ask these quesitons.

1. How does this help town?
2. How does this help scum?
3. Does this help scum MORE than it helps town?

If the answer to 3 is yes, then you vote NONE, no matter what the answer to #1 is.

1) How do PRs help Town? Is this a serious question?
2) Town coordination (but not group think) is how Town wins! Town blocks = group think Town collaboration = wins
Beeboy lynch group think due to apathy

Planning and transparency always help Town more.

The two none votes IMHO are ridiculous and anything would be better than none.

~~Math

[The DEO]

VOTE: Cult
~Maria

Lol

Why do people want Culture again?
-Nebby

So what if scum know what pr's/wonders are built what's the big deal if we know what were built and it becomes public less room for fake claims.

So you were opposed to town and scum having equal access to which PRs are available the next Day, but you want scum to know exactly which PRs town has?

You can plan with science if scum know what pr's were built what are they gonna do choose a dif nk target? What could they possibly do?

Hunt for town PRs. There's also no town benefit to it (unless we could also get Natural and build former wonders that way).

Scum can't fake claim with Cult.

True but scum have an entire nightphase to plan around exact PRs. You're just scum. Shit.

[The DEO]

VOTE: None

Culture; more advantage to scum

The other thing; might result in people maybe trying to build allready constructed wonders in the dark.

Don see any town benefit in either.

Natural benefit is at endgame.

Gee, all the wonders we need flipped. X, go take that wonder.

[The DEO]

The likelihood that a wonder from a previous age wasn't built is low, so Natural isn't likely to be that useful anyway. Slight scum advantage since they have a bit more info as to what was built.

I went and looked and I see no indication that scum have more info as to what was built. Care to point me to what I overlooked?

VOTE: Natural

---

I did NOT succesfully build the Pyramids. Someone else snatched it. I'll just wait for an explanation.

Can I see your notes? Feedback?

[The DEO]

Aren't cults bastard?
-Nebby

Titus is abbreviating Culture.
She is also IMHO conf!biased *sigh*
I agree with Sondham and I am Town. Lol

~~Math

[The DEO]

Yuri slipping the noose is a joke. Looked at the votes. Pretty much screams Spiffeh scums. Just needing Titus to see it.

If Mathblade continues to play the game as if she's already guessed the scum team I'm going to start ignoring their posts.

Really...You sure you and Maxous didn't switch bodies?

He said he would ignore me too and proceeding to stop hunting.

Why should I townread you after barely touching Yuri, hopping onto Beeboy as soon as he posted and then not mentioning Yuri today?

~~Math

[The DEO]

For each ask these quesitons.1. How does this help town?2. How does this help scum?3. Does this help scum MORE than it helps town?If the answer to 3 is yes, then you vote NONE, no matter what the answer to #1 is.

Exactly.

Theory spam. Having a failsafe at the end of the game for non chosen wonders is good. Culture is bad. Letting scum know what PRs are in play...why?

Natural wins.

What failsafe?

Let's say random setup for sake of argument

We reach 6 player mylo.

Two unknown slots, each is vanilla
Neopolitan in unclaimed PRs but was middle ages.
We grab Neopolitan and they target each other. Only one gets the neopolitan. They get a result.

If town really needs a roleblocker. We get it.

Everyone should still build today's wonders. It's endgame utility.

[The DEO]

So Drixx, did you look into how scummy Vecna was during the night?

Tell me why this is.

Ive been scummy for wanting you lynched? Because before you were "not scumreading me at all"

Yes, you're whole turnaround with Beeboy was scummy as fuck. Frogger saw it and I saw it. Probably why you killed him. May have

strongmanned killed him.

Got hidden info?

[The DEO]

Math where's your head at right now. Since Titus takes disagreeing as a scum claim for some reason I think I can only talk to you now
~Maria

I am thinking Spiffeh/Yuri one of them needs rope.

I think Yuri tbf gives us the most to go off of and confirms my theories.

If Yuri isn't scum then Spiffeh needs reread a long with a lot of others.

However Titus and I agree on ABR (although my read is a lot lighter).

I think ABR v Vecna is SVS.

I can post more when home I am getting an oil change.

~~Math

[The DEO]

@mod: replace out. I will totally trash your game otherwise. Some people apparently believe I'm obligated to stay chained to my desk and read their worthless drivel at a clip of nearly 1,000 posts a day, even when I'm playing a LYLO at the end of a 13k post game and they

can go look

and see that I was sacrificing sleep as it was.

Sorry to the folks on the playlist that I was looking forward to playing with. Catch ya'll in another time and place.

Congrats to the assclowns for getting me to replace out for 2nd time ever.

I am sorry Drixx

I was looking forward to actually playing with you for more than a day phase.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Whatever, I'll let DEO figure the game out and lead the lynch because surely they know best. I'll lynch Ceasar if you really want him that bad. If not, top of my list is Vecna and Arkane Nebby who I'm confirmed are two guaranteed scum.

Just like beeboy?

Like how can you not see Caesar is practically ripping from your Cyberpunk playbook?

Why do you believe scum have a Strongman?

[The DEO]

Titus stop being a contrarian and we'll work together. 2/3 of our suspects are the same anyways. Truce?

I don't want to lynch Vecna or A and N. Math is considering Vecna but he's my rock.

I am open to trying to work together civilly.

[The DEO]

Why should I townread you after barely touching Yuri, hopping onto Beeboy as soon as he posted and then not mentioning Yuri today?

I'm not telling you to town read me for these things, I'm telling you to stop playing the game assuming you've guessed the scum team and analyzing behavior from that perspective. I thought you were reasonable enough to realize why this is stupid but I guess you aren't.

I still stand by the fact that Yuri's reaction when it looked inevitable that they would be lynched was extremely town.

That is the difference.

You are making that an assumption that I am.

Disregarding the fact I spent a few good hours doing VCA knowing Beeboy and I are Town.

I need to drive home from my oil change. And I just got hit on by a male mechanic at Midas ugh.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Why the fuck would town agree to give it to Drixx of all people? He was inactive and didn't do anything
~Maria

Did you build it?

[The DEO]

I'm pretty sure if someone drafted doctor, frogger was the obvious choice. So strongman makes sense. There's no "post flavor when you're scum" playbook. I just like to post flavor. It's not like I'm confirmed scum when I write flavor. This is bad meta that you then projected on a random person. But his lack of content does disturb me, especially since Aeronaut is supposedly one of the heads.

If you are town, read the first post. Please. I beg you. Shit like this makes me scumread you more.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I'm pretty sure if someone drafted doctor, frogger was the obvious choice. So strongman makes sense. There's no "post flavor when you're scum" playbook. I just like to post flavor. It's not like I'm confirmed scum when I write flavor. This is bad meta that you then projected on a random person. But his lack of content does disturb me, especially since Aeronaut is supposedly one of the heads.

I mean the whole, don't try, post flavor, buddy through flavor playbook. That's essentially all you did D1 in Cyberpunk and told our buddies to do. But I'd rather not focus on that because it will piss each other off, unless you are scum.

SSM and Sodham thoughts?

[The DEO]

I think ABR v Vecna is SVS.

I don't want to lynch Vecna

Well Mathblade does so I can work with her to lynch Vecna.

You touch Vecna, I lynch you k? I am trying to meet you half way but nope. Not lynching my number 1 townread that's posting.

[The DEO]

Why the fuck would town agree to give it to Drixx of all people? He was inactive and didn't do anything
~Maria

Did you build it?

Do

NOT

do

THIS.

I want to know who fucked with my obvtown read. Was it you?

[The DEO]

Why the fuck would town agree to give it to Drixx of all people? He was inactive and didn't do anything
~Maria

Did you build it?

Do

NOT

do

THIS.

I want to know who fucked with my obvtown read. Was it you?

There is no reason for you to want to know anything.

Noone should ask/answer ANY questions whatsoever regarding wonder picks.

That is the number one common sense rule in this game.

Wrong. Drixx was 100% right that Stonehenge targets Pyramids. The number 1 common sense rule is get flip information and work with your townreads.

[The DEO]

I'm pretty sure if someone drafted doctor, frogger was the obvious choice. So strongman makes sense. There's no "post flavor when you're scum" playbook. I just like to post flavor. It's not like I'm confirmed scum when I write flavor. This is bad meta that you then projected on a random person. But his lack of content does disturb me, especially since Aeronaut is supposedly one of the heads.

Didn't you indicate earlier that you understood why Fro99er wasn't protected?

What changed?

Frogger should have been protected. There's no one in this game worth protecting other than him. It's ridiculous the scum had the balls to kill him with a public doctor you can draft. So my working theory is scum drafted doctor so they knew they were safe to go through with it.

I agree, but why try to argue Vecna strongmanned at first? This implies scum have a strongman. Wtf?

[The DEO]

We need wagons.

Caesar, anyone?

Yes is decent, but we gotta elect Nature first.

[The DEO]

I think ABR v Vecna is SVS.

I don't want to lynch Vecna

Well Mathblade does so I can work with her to lynch Vecna.

You touch Vecna, I lynch you k? I am trying to meet you half way but nope. Not lynching my number 1 townread that's posting.

I'm coming after Vecna and Akane+Nebby. I'm gonna draft vig tonight and kill him if he's not lynched today. So you can ask Mathblade to talk some sense into you or get out of my way.

I guess that Truce didn't last long. Beeboy flips wrong and you still want to divide town and did zero rethinking.

[The DEO]

I'm taking vig and shooting luv in the face ABR back off.

Someone else please draft vig and stop this.

[The DEO]

I'm taking vig and shooting luv in the face ABR back off.

Someone else please draft vig and stop this.

So you don't want scum to die? Strange.

No. You're shooting and lynching my townreads. Why the fuck should you have a gun?

[The DEO]

I guess that Truce didn't last long. Beeboy flips wrong and you still want to divide town and did zero rethinking.

The truce is that we don't try to kill each other. You're welcome to go after my townreads and I yours.

Nope. If you cannot be civil and help to unify town, you die. Sorry. Your reads are shit and you divide us. You are missing point blank scumreads to OMGUS and crap on the thread.

You leave Vecna/LUV/A and N/Spiffeh/Drixx slot alone today or I lynch you. Period.

[The DEO]

I'm taking vig and shooting luv in the face ABR back off.

That's acceptable, lol.

This is why I like you
Pedit: Perfect!

And I wonder why you cannot see ABR buddying you.

[The DEO]

Vecna, vote Natural with me and then we can fry ABR.

[The DEO]

or if you guys really think there is scum in the lurkers we could always lynch Elbrin.

Not a horrible lynch, but Caesar is worse.

[The DEO]

Nero Cain
The DEO
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
davesaz
Maxous
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

Yeah, how about no. This is an awkward as fuck chainsaw of ABR?

Why not lynch everyone who thought beeboy was town?

[The DEO]

Nero Cain
The DEO
Caesar Wills It
Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
davesaz
Maxous
Sondam
NoticeMeSenpai

Yeah, how about no. This is an awkward as fuck chainsaw of ABR?

Why not lynch everyone who thought beeboy was town?

Is there someone on his wagon that thought he was town?

Back parts did. I did and I would have hammered it. It was an EoD we want the fuck out of here wagon that was diverted away from ABR.

[The DEO]

TBH, we should lynch someone that was hopping between the beeboy, Yuri and whomever else was waggoned yesterday. I think there's a good chance they'd be scum.

*cough* ABR*cough*

Why not look at the VCs and see who qualifies with this theory?

I am going with scum in lurkers and the people who defended them. Yuri v beeboy reminded me a lot of Steven Universe 1.

[The DEO]

Vecna, vote Natural with me and then we can fry ABR.

Care to explain why you think Natural is usefull?

I honestly think its better to protect people that dont understand the mechanics fully from trying to waste priority on getting stuff from a day earlier.

I dont really -mind- natural since its not a big influence, but its not very beneficial either.

Am I missing something?

Nah, dumb people don't need protecting. They need educating.

Natural is an endgame bonus, to ensure we can grab what we need in endgame. We still build today's wonders.

[The DEO]

TBH, we should lynch someone that was hopping between the beeboy, Yuri and whomever else was waggoned yesterday. I think there's a good chance they'd be scum.

*cough* ABR*cough*

Why not look at the VCs and see who qualifies with this theory?

I am going with scum in lurkers and the people who defended them. Yuri v beeboy reminded me a lot of Steven Universe 1.

Fact Check: I refused to vote for Yuri when he was at L-2, and never voted him...

You vote hopped all over the place. That was Nero's point. Yeah you whiteknighted Yuri, big shock.

Your whole stance is NO SERIOUS PUSHES EARLY AS SCUM.

[The DEO]

Natural is an endgame bonus, to ensure we can grab what we need in endgame. We still build today's wonders.

How do you know we didn't draft everything that could be drafted already? We're better off focusing on drafting the new monuments than looking backwards.

Endgame.

Today, each player should draft new shit. Natural gains utility after massclaim. I said that like 5 times. Read my posts rather than just opposing them for oppositions sake.

[The DEO]

I hate many of the proposed lynch options so far.

Vecna is the only one I'd consider that has been mentioned so far.

Without rereading their ISO's to clarify my position (which I hope to do later) right now I'm looking at davesaz, Leon, Caesar for scum

Shit like this is why I cannot clear you Spiffeh...

[The DEO]

@mod: Even though this is implied in the first post with antitown factions only have night chat....

Can you please confirm every player starts off as Vanilla?

ABR is spewing shit and I am getting sick of it. Like why the fuck would scum start with PRs that would require them to exist before time began?

~~Math

Just got home now. Catching up.

[The DEO]

Today, each player should draft new shit. Natural gains utility after massclaim. I said that like 5 times. Read my posts rather than just opposing them for oppositions sake.

Whatever

VOTE: Natural

You should acknowledge that you were the one opposing me on this as I made my vote clear before you came in and opposed me. I'm being the bigger person here and letting you have this so let it be a first step in our rapprochement.

The first step would be not going after my two biggest townreads, not ceding an argument you already lost.

[The DEO]

Vecna you're basically a question mark for me rn

You're definitely not my first choice

Let's get Nebby.

I don't think they are scum.

Vote Caesar with me?

[The DEO]

I'm pretty sure if someone drafted doctor, frogger was the obvious choice. So strongman makes sense. There's no "post flavor when you're scum" playbook. I just like to post flavor. It's not like I'm confirmed scum when I write flavor. This is bad meta that you then projected on a random person. But his lack of content does disturb me, especially since Aeronaut is supposedly one of the heads.

Didn't you indicate earlier that you understood why Fro99er wasn't protected?

What changed?

Frogger should have been protected. There's no one in this game worth protecting other than him. It's ridiculous the scum had the balls to kill him with a public doctor you can draft. So my working theory is scum drafted doctor so they knew they were safe to go through with it.

Town thinking ^

Lol Frogger was a horrible NK by scum and a worse doc target should one exist. That IMHO is spew.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Natural is one vote away from hammer.

Anything else?

Yes DON'T FUCKING HAMMER til everyone has an opinion down!!!

[The DEO]

Natural is one vote away from hammer.

Anything else?

Yes DON'T FUCKING HAMMER til everyone has an opinion down!!!

^ Math

[The DEO]

The first step would be not going after my two biggest townreads, not ceding an argument you already lost.

Every time I try to make a concession, you make a post like this to make me regret it. Give you an inch and you take a mile. This is why there's no incentive to ever work with you. And furthermore, I'm mysteriously always absent from your "town block" on day 1 in every game.

You didn't concede anything. You never do. You never make my townblocks because you call me a piece of shit and oppose everything I do.

There's 15 to 16 other players, yet you insist on attacking my two biggest townreads. Please. There's other slots.

[The DEO]

The first step would be not going after my two biggest townreads, not ceding an argument you already lost.

Every time I try to make a concession, you make a post like this to make me regret it. Give you an inch and you take a mile. This is why there's no incentive to ever work with you. And furthermore, I'm mysteriously always absent from your "town block" on day 1 in every game.

Shame this post feels like buddying because the same is true of me. But I hate town blocks so whatever.

~~Math

Creature wtf?

[The DEO]

The first step would be not going after my two biggest townreads, not ceding an argument you already lost.

Every time I try to make a concession, you make a post like this to make me regret it. Give you an inch and you take a mile. This is why there's no incentive to ever work with you. And furthermore, I'm mysteriously always absent from your "town block" on day 1 in every game.

You didn't concede anything. You never do. You never make my townblocks because you call me a piece of shit and oppose everything I do.

There's 15 to 16 other players, yet you insist on attacking my two biggest townreads. Please. There's other slots.

LUV.

Go fuck off. That's my third TR. I gave you my no pool. It's that plus Drixx. My goal today is to unite town.

Join or Die.

Down with redcoats.

[The DEO]

You can talk with Math ABR, but I have nothing good to say to or about you.

@Nero, Nice joke.

Peace out thread. Creature probably hammerred Natural.

[The DEO]

Go fuck off. That's my third TR. I gave you my no pool. It's that plus Drixx. My goal today is to unite town.Join or Die.Down with redcoats.

Look who is insulting. You insult me after I try to work with you and am polite to you. This is why there's no advantage whatsoever to ever try to help you. You don't deserve it. You seriously think, in every game, that every single player who attacks me is town. And every player who says I'm town is scum. It's YOU that is completely biased.

You've not offered to work with me at all. You are still trying to wreck my game. It's evident in the choices you make.

You're trying to insult my scumhunting and make it where you look to be the better person. I have my townreads. Unless you think you have the game solved, you can work within my possibilities.

[The DEO]

What are Mathblades reads?

Stop trying to divide our hydra. They wrote them. You can read them. Everyone knows, and even you mentioned, they SR Vecna and TR A and N.

Guess what, they scumread you.

[The DEO]

Give me a bit to catch up still.

ABR please explain that strongman theory push after I asked you to read the first post. If you have already please disregard.

I want to make sure my reads are still valid before commenting.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You've not offered to work with me at all. You are still trying to wreck my game. It's evident in the choices you make.You're trying to insult my scumhunting and make it where you look to be the better person. I have my townreads. Unless you think you have the game solved, you can work within my possibilities.

OK well my townreads are Yuri, Spiffeh, davesaz, Maxou, Sondam and Nero. Who does that leave us with?

Caesar, SSM are good choices. That's not a horrible TR set, although I have Maria reservations.

[The DEO]

ABR please explain that strongman theory push after I asked you to read the first post. If you have already please disregard.

My theory is that scum successfully drafted doctor so they just killed Frogger.

Why would scum kill Frogger?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Albert B. Rampage (7): Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature, The DEO, Leonshade, beeboy, Caesar Wills It

Titus how can you townread my entire bandwagon?

Caesar is my number 2 lynch choice, so I don't.

The fact is from my PoV you were a huge disruption. Lynch those and scum start dropping.

[The DEO]

Minus Caesar. You think 6 people piled on me were all town. It's ridiculous.

I lynched Math with an all town wagon and then pounded the scum until they killed me.

I lynched them because they were loud, disruptive, arrogant, and insisted on lynching the players who vouched for each other by mid confirmation.

That's exactly how I view you.

[The DEO]

Why would scum kill Frogger?~~Math

I recognized Frogger as obvtown from the beginning, and so did everyone else.

I respectfully disagree he was only the slimmest tr for me at the end of D1.
However let's assume this is true.
There were other "obvTown"s as well.
Why not them?
Especially since Frogger as you say is wish washy?

[The DEO]

Minus Caesar. You think 6 people piled on me were all town. It's ridiculous.

I lynched Math with an all town wagon and then pounded the scum until they killed me.

I lynched them because they were loud, disruptive, arrogant, and insisted on lynching the players who vouched for each other by mid confirmation.

That's exactly how I view you.

Titus please see Skype. Thanks

~~Math

[The DEO]

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, beeboy

Which of these players is scum Titus?

None. Keep asking me that and all you do is bloat the thread.

[The DEO]

Why would scum kill Frogger?~~Math

I recognized Frogger as obvtown from the beginning, and so did everyone else.

I respectfully disagree he was only the slimmest tr for me at the end of D1.
However let's assume this is true.
There were other "obvTown"s as well.
Why not them?
Especially since Frogger as you say is wish washy?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Minus Caesar. You think 6 people piled on me were all town. It's ridiculous.

I lynched Math with an all town wagon and then pounded the scum until they killed me.

I lynched them because they were loud, disruptive, arrogant, and insisted on lynching the players who vouched for each other by mid confirmation.

That's exactly how I view you.

That's how you view me in every game I'm town in. The one game I was scum, I did the opposite and slipped by your "radar".

ABR and Titus please quit sending verbal nukes at each other so I can hunt. K thanks!!

~~Math

ABR please answer my last question.

[The DEO]

Or atleast most.

Creature scum and Town reads and why please.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Minus Caesar. You think 6 people piled on me were all town. It's ridiculous.

I lynched Math with an all town wagon and then pounded the scum until they killed me.

I lynched them because they were loud, disruptive, arrogant, and insisted on lynching the players who vouched for each other by mid confirmation.

That's exactly how I view you.

That's how you view me in every game I'm town in. The one game I was scum, I did the opposite and slipped by your "radar".

That's years ago.

Lynch scum and take out trash. Identify town. Try to get along. Give them what they need.

I am actually better now.

Look at my games. 1 wrong lynch, then I cream it. At worst. Wake's game. SU 2.

Back off my townblock. If I am wrong twice, I will reconsider.

[The DEO]

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, beeboy

Which of these players is scum Titus?

None. Keep asking me that and all you do is bloat the thread.

I call bullshit. You're a liar. Or you are emotionally compromised by bias. Either way, you have no credibility here.

ABR please stop poking at my sister and answer my question.

I know you both don't like each other but I AM trying to read you so please do me a solid and let me inside your head of yours and answer my question.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Lil Uzi Vert, Vecna, Creature, Leonshade, beeboy

Which of these players is scum Titus?

None. Keep asking me that and all you do is bloat the thread.

I call bullshit. You're a liar. Or you are emotionally compromised by bias. Either way, you have no credibility here.

And see, it's all about who YOU deem as credible. You don't work with others. You are a toxic influence. That's why you got run up.

Either help us, or get our of my way.

[The DEO]

Minus Caesar. You think 6 people piled on me were all town. It's ridiculous.

I lynched Math with an all town wagon and then pounded the scum until they killed me.

I lynched them because they were loud, disruptive, arrogant, and insisted on lynching the players who vouched for each other by mid confirmation.

That's exactly how I view you.

That's how you view me in every game I'm town in. The one game I was scum, I did the opposite and slipped by your "radar".

That's years ago.

Lynch scum and take out trash. Identify town. Try to get along. Give them what they need.

I am actually better now.

Look at my games. 1 wrong lynch, then I cream it. At worst. Wake's game. SU 2.

Back off my townblock. If I am wrong twice, I will reconsider.

Titus please stop this.
I need to hunt and you clogging up the thread only proves you and aBR don't like each other.

~~Math

[The DEO]

honestly, i'm just voting kyouko again.

he's really scummy and he's a lurker.

the rest of you can argue about w/e

Maxous that is a horrible vote IMHO.

What are your opinions on more active people?

~~Math

[The DEO]

ABR, Spiff, and Yuri are still alive. Three good excuses right there.

I agree with this.

~~Math

[The DEO]

I am peacing out. Math grab me if Natural gets hammered. Opining on who gets wagoned, beyond me trying to stop ABR, is a waste of time. Let's talk about wagons on wagon day.

~Titus

[The DEO]

Great awesome. Yay I can has read of first post.

So ABR's stock goes down since he refused to read after being asked. Would like to see his thoughts on my Frogger question to see if he can redeem himself and let me know if there is something I am missing.

~~Math

[The DEO]

What are your opinions on more active people?

you need to be more specific

Pick whoever you define as active. At least 5 people.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite) - Town
Nero Cain - Town
Yuri - idk
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade) - Town
Leonshade - Town
Elbirn - Would lynch it
Drixx - Town
Caesar Wills It (Aeronaut & Pine) who replaced Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine) - Would lynch it
Lil Uzi Vert - Town
Vecna - Town
ssbm_Kyouko* - Would lynch it
davesaz who replaced ooba* - Would lynch it
Maxous - idk
PeregrineV* - Town
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat) - Would lynch it
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina) - idk
Albert B. Rampage* - idk
Spiffeh - Town

Why are all your opinions idk on almost every controversial issue and would lynch it on almost every lurker? Sodham/Vecna only exceptions?

You said in Memory I believe that you are more agreeable as mafia. Why is that not the case here?

~~Math

[The DEO]

I actully do think Math is better than Titus *ducks*

Nero, please explain why this isn't buddying of me.

Top town and scumreads. Go.

~~Math

[The DEO]

ok?

drixx town
PV town
Nero town
maria/gerry town
and uhh..let's say Elbirn town

Interesting. Why is Elbrin town? I waffle on him.
And why did you not pick a single scumread to discuss among the actives?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Caesar finds the arguments against investment in Cultural improvements unconvincing. It would be a boon for all, and hardly just the disloyal, to learn what wondrous constructions our neighbor realms have managed to build. This will grant the Imperial Senate the ability to strategize, and narrow down what we might expect from our neighbors. For example, We would not wish for it to be possible for a Senator to be able to claim to have consulted an Oracle in their district when we know that no such personage exists, and for such a claim to go unchallenged.

We recognize that the Senate is likely to pursue Natural investment, and we shall approve this measure if the Senate is resolved. It also provides benefits to the Empire.

We begin to suspect disloyalty from those who stubbornly resist to invest in the Empire at all.

The responsibilities on your Emperor are not nearly as great as they were last time the Senate was in session, though He has duties in the next few hours. The Senate should remain in session until Imperial Caesar is able to dispense His Wisdom in a short time.

VOTE: Cultural

Caesar we ask of you to reconsider. Why you were a great leader back in the day some decisions were rather not that excellent. Natural is a better play for those who like Civilization.

~~Math

[The DEO]

You said in Memory I believe that you are more agreeable as mafia. Why is that not the case here?

???

You were the Sun in that game (paraphrasing as I have to look it up later)
"As scum I tend to be more agreeable" explain why I should not find your reads suspicious.

And I agree we should lynch scum early but that doesn't mean lynch all lurkers.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Interesting. Why is Elbrin town? I waffle on him.
And why did you not pick a single scumread to discuss among the actives?

honestly, elbirn is a gutread

i still say Creature is scummy :shrug:

Good my townread isn't misplaced on you.

Hooray. Now just hopefully Titus sees it.

Scumreads besides Creature please.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Only one good Wonder again too this era lol

Which one do you think that is?

~~Math

Oh ABR I still want the answer to my question.

[The DEO]

Only one good Wonder again too this era lol

Which one do you think that is?

~~Math

Oh ABR I still want the answer to my question.

The Oracle. If it works like how I think it works, we might be able to figure something out soon.

Explain why doctor and tracker are "bad".

~~Math

[The DEO]

Oh ABR I still want the answer to my question.

I already answered.

My apologies I can't find it. Can you please require it or tell me the post number? I am phone posting and it is a bit hard.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Pedit thanks

Sorry *blush*

I find it an interesting theory scum took doctor. Do you realize that even if assuming Frogger is obvTown that doesn't make him the NK? If someone's reads are bad they can live longer. Has happened to me when I have derped. Assume Frogger isn't derping? What does that indicate to you?

~~Math

[The DEO]

Oh ABR I still want the answer to my question.

I already answered.

My apologies I can't find it. Can you please require it or tell me the post number? I am phone posting and it is a bit hard.

~~Math

Bruh I just quoted them for you the 2 posts before this one

Again sorry I am phone posting and post interruptions don't always happen.

~~Math

[The DEO]

All Cultural and Natural do is allow scum to misplay more freely.

I find this not the case. Shadowrun Mafia almost beat me due to the deluge of information. Information works both ways. Scum have to predict what town will do with information.

~~Math

[The DEO]

ABR ill vote Natural too if i must but i find Cultural has a very good use. like i said scum already has a great roadmap to what town took. town is the one who benefits more from this in the long run

Just vote it so we can get started with the real game.

Pedit thanks

Sorry *blush*

I find it an interesting theory scum took doctor. Do you realize that even if assuming Frogger is obvTown that doesn't make him the NK? If someone's reads are bad they can live longer. Has happened to me when I have derped. Assume Frogger isn't derping? What does that indicate to you?

~~Math

Frogger's reads weren't bad, he caught Vecna. He was simply indecisive because strong personalities were pulling him in different directions and he couldn't handle it. He didn't like having people rely on him for choosing what to do. Who do you think is obvtown....? since you say there are others besides frogger, but I only saw frogger.

What do you think of him warming up to the possibility of you being scum? One of his posts that made me Town read him was (paraphrasing) ABR did this. If he was obvious Town and assume you are Town and that would make his reads wrong why would scum kill obvTown whose reads were wrong?

Creature My memory must suck sorry.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Bee was obvious town.

If Bee was obvious Town who were the scum that pivoted the wagon away from Yuri and who were the scum off the Beeboy wagon?

~~Math

[The DEO]

What do you think of him warming up to the possibility of you being scum? One of his posts that made me Town read him was (paraphrasing) ABR did this. If he was obvious Town and assume you are Town and that would make his reads wrong why would scum kill obvTown whose reads were wrong?

His vote for Vecna was because he saw something. His vote for me was mindless appeasement of my detractors to shake things up and see what would happen. He promptly backed off from me and went for Beeboy.

What do you think of Yuri?

~~Math

[The DEO]

You all see 'scum learn this first' and immediately assume its a scum-sided power and it just isnt

Yuri I agree to an extent.
Cultural isn't as bad as people make it out to be.
But natural is SO much better IMHO.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Frogger was also the only player who tried to unite me and DEO. By removing him, they hoped to achieve further chaos and division, in addition to removing a player who was widely townread and trusted. Wherever Frogger voted, people followed, which he remarked upon himself and which unnerved him. He was the one player that could be counted on to lead a united town.

This is patently false.
A&N tried. Sodham tried. Hell practically the entire thread tried but there were some people who wanted me to come out of my post ban and post more.

This is the same doubtcasting I saw and didn't like from LUV it puts us in a state of OMG we are going to fail.
This is day 2. Day 2.

A lot can change. Hell I have led town blocks before. I hate them but I CAN do it if not being told I am dumb and crazy every post.

This also goes against you strongarming the lynch onto Beeboy. You said you could lead this town then. Can you not lead it now? I find this response fishy.
~~Math

[The DEO]

Mathblade, who are your townreads and scumreads? Thanks.

I need a minute to paraphrase my hydra PT since copy paste illegal and I am phone posting.

~~Math

[The DEO]

Player List:
Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite) -- Hard town read
Fro99er -- Town Beard (Meaning I think he's town but everything he does is helping scum)
Nero Cain -- Obvtown Meta tell
Yuri -- Scum lynch that should have happened D1 that disappeared because I quit pushing.
beeboy -- Town lynched
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade) -- Us
Leonshade -- Town, hunting everything and its brother. Like I had a maybe townread then had to reread that slot. OMG so town makes my eyes bleed.
Elbirn -- Town lean -- Wish he'd post more and be more memorable but the game is insane. I liked most of his posts but the lack of activity/gut bothers me.
Creature -- Townlean Considering he didn't really push much if I'm completely fucked on reads which I don't think I am) then I'd relook here.
Drixx -- TOWNREAD (Duh)
Caesar Wills It (Aeronaut & Pine) who replaced Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine) -- Town by meta (which again you don't want to hear)
Lil Uzi Vert -- Scum by outright shade throw and manipulation. It's just baaaaaaaaad.
Vecna -- See above
ssbm_Kyouko*-- Wish they'd post more. Town by PoE only.
davesaz who replaced ooba* -- Town by PoE only. Replaced in at end of day would love to see more from this slot.
Maxous -- Oh god this is so town. When there were Maxous pushes he wasn't survivalistic or deflective at all. Town through and through
PeregrineV* -- Town by entrance
Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat) -- Town by entrance
NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina) -- Town by timezones and entrance
Albert B. Rampage* -- Light scumread -- We agree here which is okay but I would much rather push mutual scumread Yuri instead. I get the feeling you're influencing me here because you do have a demonstrated bias against ABR. If one of my scumreads are wrong probably drop ABR.
Spiffeh -- Scum. Protected Yuri HARD.