Civilization Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Creature]

I don't really know what Arts, Science and None are and I don't know why None is better than Arts and Science.

[Creature]

9=2
12=3
16=4
20=5
24=6

9=7:2
13=10:3
17=13:4
21=16:5
25=19:6

It's like N=(M*4)+1 where N is total number of players and M is mafia.

[Creature]

Ugh, I hate when I miss the most important discussion, I can't get a read by reading, I need to experience.

[Creature]

Hmm, scum must pick daychat?

[Creature]

What's going to happen if we pick:
- Science?
- Arts?
- None?

I'm sorta confused with the info mod gave.

[Creature]

Okay, I kinda get what Science is.

Must mean we're gonna know earlier what we can build and thus scum could coordinate their picks.

What about Arts? Why one extra build benefits scum?

[Creature]

Btw, yeah, we must coordinate our picks well. Are we informed who picked what?

[Creature]

>By default, players may only build a maximum of one wonder.

Per era or the whole game?

[Creature]

Masoleum of Hallicarsenus could be a good tool to force scummy players to prove they picked that.

[Creature]

If I obvtown, I'll very likely die.

[Creature]

What's the draft?

[Creature]

Youre not high in a draft this game, so unlikely.

How he knows?

[Creature]

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Creature]

There are two other people I'd vote besides Nero Cain right now.

[Creature]

Currently the other two players I want to vote are more likely to be scum and would like them to be competing wagons.

[Creature]

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

[Creature]

Meh, I'll just keep posting irrelevant stuff and useless observations.

[Creature]

Arts and Science felt like town powerups, therefore None seemed like a waste.

I don't know how you could've gotten that if you didn't know what they were.

Sounded like:

Arts and Science = Draft
None = No draft therefore no roles

[Creature]

Damn, I'm 11th at posts.

[Creature]

Self-meta, funny how someone can call it scumtell.

[Creature]

He was chainsawed, therefore scum.

[Creature]

So far none of my two other scumreads were voted, keep trying.

[Creature]

I don't think we need too much power into one single resolution as there should be various eras.

[Creature]

Hopefully this setup doesn't let scum do factional kills during the day.

[Creature]

Actually I have four scumreads (one of them being Nero Cain), that one is already being voted.

[Creature]

Bah whatever

VOTE: Maxous

Yes, he was my fourth scumread.

[Creature]

I'm sort of lacking townreads and most discussion will happen when I'm asleep I guess.

[Creature]

Creature what is your read on us?
-Nebby

Town

[Creature]

My scumread on Creature is basically like several of his posts are this sort of confused "I don't know whats going on" and that just seems p fake to me. Though Titus' "Nero ignored the Max wagon" "He wasn't even a wagon when I voted Creature." "Welll...welll...you are ignoring it now!" Games with Titus would be a lot less frustrating if she'd just take being proven wrong in stride instead of trying to argue that she's right all the time.

Oh lol

Faking confusion isn't a good idea for scum right now.

[Creature]

Page 31/44, can't wait me.

[Creature]

Hey Nero, not sure if you answered past page 31, but why you voted me over someone you also scumread and already had a wagon?

[Creature]

Page 32

*picks one post that can be genuine*
*says it's fake*

[Creature]

Oh right, Sondam is MariaR/gerryoat.

[Creature]

Meant page 33

Btw reminder not to give any indication of whether you're going for a role today and which role you'd choose.

And when the roles are distributed, don't give any indication of whether you got one or not.

The less scum know about the location of the power roles, the less successful they'll be at neutralizing them.

^ forced.

I mean, that's obvious with any role in any mafia game. Why did you feel the need to point this out?

[Creature]

How many votes Sondam is at?

[Creature]

Also, my two secret scumreads were Drixx and Fro99er, how much they improved (or deproved) since I said that?

[Creature]

Page 37

Hell this Uzi wagon

[Creature]

beeboy scum?

[Creature]

Page 39

Yuri is town I guess, beeboy most likely scum that joined Uzi wagon.

[Creature]

Am I late for the Sondam wagon?

[Creature]

Not opposing Notice, but so far not really interested in him.

I still like being part of the Maxous wagon.

[Creature]

Page 42

Okay, might actually oppose Notice

[Creature]

Unsure on Fro99er now.

[Creature]

Currently could do Drixx, Maxous and Sondam.

[Creature]

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)

Fro99er
Nero Cain

Yuri

beeboy

The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)

Leonshade
Elbirn

Creature

Drixx
Julius Caesar (Aeronaut & Pine)

Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna
ssbm_Kyouko

ooba
Maxous

PeregrineV

Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)

NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)

Albert B. Rampage
Spiffeh

[Creature]

So many people I want to kill right now.

[Creature]

Currently could do Drixx, Maxous and Sondam.

Oh I forgot beeboy

[Creature]

Leonshade, Julius Caesar and Albert B. Rampage could also join this list.

[Creature]

Wow ooba has only one post and it's what I expect from lurker!scum.

[Creature]

Ugh so many players to kill.

[Creature]

Lynch Vote 1.06

Maxous (4):

Akane and Nebby, Vecna, Creature, Spiffeh

Lil Uzi Vert (2):

beeboy, Yuri

Yuri (1):

Fro99er

The DEO (1):

Sondam

Leonshade (1):

Lil Uzi Vert

beeboy (1):

ssbm_Kyouko

Creature (1):

Nero Cain

Spiffeh (1):

Maxous

Sondam (1):

The DEO

Not Voting (8):

Leonshade, Elbirn, Drixx, Julius Caesar, ooba, PeregrineV, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to to lynch.
Lynch deadline is in (expired on 2017-02-21 10:05:30), at which point we will default to no lynch.

[Creature]

Oh right, hmm

[Creature]

Okay, you're null, I guess.

[Creature]

VOTE: Sondam

Unless you think Albert B. Rampage, Drixx, Julius Caesar, Leonshade, Maxous, ooba, or maybe someone not striked is a better wagon.

[Creature]

That's the part I become unmechanically Innocent Child.

[Creature]

Btw, my unstriked list has plenty lurkers, but I have preferences to kill ABR, Julius and Leon from them.

I don't see them usually lurking as town, this is why it'd be good to take a look at them.

ooba's also there because his only post looks bad (maybe 1-post ISOs usually look bad).

[Creature]

Ego post

Aeronaut and I are discussing a name change before we start for real, we will jump in as soon as he responds.

Okay, Pine got a good excuse at least.

[Creature]

You mentioned notice a page earlier? Why are they not on your list?

Because I oppose their lynch?

[Creature]

I'm working to not be sortable by activity. There's another way to sort me, though.

[Creature]

beeboy can go back to my scumpool.

[Creature]

Looks like he's staying off the radar, and I'm not giving him a pass.

[Creature]

I get the same feeling too but what do you think about his endgame comment?

Endgame comment?

[Creature]

I get the same feeling too but what do you think about his endgame comment?

Endgame comment?

793.

Okay that's funny, I have some nullscum there, but nothing more than that.

[Creature]

Back to post useless stuff.

[Creature]

Do lynches also have plurality?

[Creature]

Btw, am I allowed to discuss what games should I join (join, not replace in)?

[Creature]

idk, maybe because they know my method is taking what I believe is important?

[Creature]

What was the contradiction again?

[Creature]

You know who Yuri is?

[Creature]

Oh no, the doubtcast.

[Creature]

Ugh that's fair, but I don't know what to think of it.

[Creature]

I'm more likely to trust gerryoat than MariaR tbh

[Creature]

Who Yuri is?

[Creature]

VOTE: beeboy

[Creature]

Who Yuri is?

[Creature]

Okay, Maxous can be town for now.

[Creature]

The DEO and Creature are two mafs imo. Haven't asked Maria of her opinion yet on why i think so (on creature).

~Gerry

Are there scum not pushing you?

[Creature]

Fro99er can be town too.

[Creature]

Btw, why is Drixx town?

[Creature]

So many players I still want to wagon, but I'll stick to beeboy because he already has a wagon.

Isn't that fair, Nero Cain?

[Creature]

@all-
If this beeboy wagon gets out hand while I'm gone, keep the wagon to no more than L-2.

Day not ending with this unaddressed.
Not Voting (5): Drixx, Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpai, Albert B. Rampage

At least four scum in it.

[Creature]

Btw, why is Drixx town?

[Creature]

tbh I'd be more interested in a flashwagon on people like ooba, Pine hydra, ABR right now.

Down for any of these anytime.

[Creature]

Yay we got scum

[Creature]

Why are we voting Yuri again? And who he is?

[Creature]

There

SHOULD

be a creature wagon but he's scum so thats why its so hard to wagon him.

Not interested in a Bee or Yuri lynch so I'll join the AN wagon unless a Creature one pops up.

If your intention is to get ignored, you're doing it well.

[Creature]

Okay Drixx, you get Pyramids and you'll get Stonehenge'd.

[Creature]

If you're scum, you could also nightkill yourself and try to manipulate us.

[Creature]

ssbm can be town for now.

[Creature]

Still don't know why I should vote Yuri. No one is even bothering to tell me who he is.

[Creature]

Creature may actually be scum

join me

Sure, two vs 19

[Creature]

Who is Yuri?

[Creature]

Oh nice, anyone who defends someone they think is town = scum saving mislynches.

[Creature]

Yuri, who are you?

[Creature]

Okay, Drixx can be town

and Caesar Wills it can be killed

[Creature]

This is sorta how I feel right now.

Yuri

(5):

Lil Uzi Vert

,

The DEO, Akane and Nebby, Vecna

,

Fro99er

Akane and Nebby

(5):

Yuri, Maxous, beeboy, Nero Cain, Albert B. Rampage

beeboy

(4):

ssbm_Kyouko, PeregrineV

,

Spiffeh, Creature

NoticeMeSenpa

i (1):

Elbirn

The DEO

(1):

Sondam

Fro99er

(1):

Leonshade

Sondam

(1):

Drixx

Not Voting (3):

Caesar Wills It, ooba, NoticeMeSenpa

Okay, let's start to be serious.

[Creature]

Page 69:

Hint: It's more likely there'll have a wagon with more town than scum than a wagon with more scum than town.

[Creature]

Can we settle on a creature vote? i'm pretty sure everyone has been skeptical of him but no one really trying to wagon him

Only you, Maxous and Nero Cain are. Everybody else is either townreading me or hasn't opinated yet.

Nice bsing here.

[Creature]

Atleast he doesn't think we have an all-town wagon on scum and the other two top wagons are scum-filled.

[Creature]

Sorta of thinking Nero Cain is town with garbage reads right now.

[Creature]

I had Albert B. Rampage, Drixx, Julius Caesar, Leonshade, Maxous, ooba and Sondam as my kill list.

And tbh only Drixx deserves to be out of it rn.

[Creature]

Btw, I think all of us must try to build something (aka no "no building").

[Creature]

I had Albert B. Rampage, Drixx, Julius Caesar, Leonshade, Maxous, ooba and Sondam as my kill list.

only mafia kills. town lynches

Lynch is basically kill.

[Creature]

Btw, I think all of us must try to build something (aka no "no building").

Opinions?

[Creature]

Town's key to winning is get rid of Caesar Gets It, ooba, Leon and ABR early.

[Creature]

He only posted once and his only post looks terrible.

[Creature]

Btw, I think all of us must try to build something (aka no "no building").

No

Okay

Scum: Yay! We can now pick the strongest town roles so they can't use that as a weapon against us.

[Creature]

Does someone have better experience with beeboy?

[Creature]

People need to no build to ve able to beat scum that didnt build anything on the good wonders tomorrow

We have some abilities that are good though, like The Hanging Gardens (doctor), Stonehenge (death public cop), Statue of Zeus (self redirector), and maybe Mausoleum of Halicarnassum (neighborizer).

Only one person will get each ability anyway, so it isn't a waste. It's a waste if scum gets it rather than town.

[Creature]

Also, maybe we could estabilish that picking and showing to be treestump (maybe Drixx has an exception) is literally a scumclaim.

[Creature]

People need to no build to ve able to beat scum that didnt build anything on the good wonders tomorrow

We have some abilities that are good though, like The Hanging Gardens (doctor), Stonehenge (death public cop), Statue of Zeus (self redirector), and maybe Mausoleum of Halicarnassum (neighborizer).

Only one person will get each ability anyway, so it isn't a waste. It's a waste if scum gets it rather than town.

All of those are pretty bad. Modern Era will be better.

Doctor and Death Public Cop aren't bad. Look how many players we have.

[Creature]

Maybe we could make all players go for one of their choice then?

[Creature]

So are we leaving the pro-town abilities for scum?

[Creature]

So are we leaving the pro-town abilities for scum?

Are we going to let scum get most of town's vital powers?

[Creature]

Ideally we need half the town players to go for a wonder today and day3, and the rest on day 2 and 4 with the higher priority from skipping today.

So everyone flip a coin.

Tails: pick today
Heads; skip today, get higher priority, pick tomorrow.

THAT should be how we do it.

Fine, though, scum will have a higher chance of picking a pro-town ability for themselves.

[Creature]

Also, The Pyramids is basically a way for scum to janitor themselves (specially if they get lynched), so we need to estabilish a rule.

[Creature]

Then we'll just find them and lynch 'em.

How will we deduce if they picked a pro-town role for themselves?

[Creature]

Also, The Pyramids is basically a way for scum to janitor themselves (specially if they get lynched), so we need to estabilish a rule.

[Creature]

Similar reads =/= Scum
Different reads =/= Town

[Creature]

Sometimes lurker lynch is treated as a policy. It's better to have an endgame with readable players than an endgame with poor activity.

[Creature]

beeboy

Would you do Sondam?

[Creature]

They're my next lynch preference.

[Creature]

Hopefully you don't take associatives seriously.

[Creature]

I've said Drixx, Maxous, Nero, Spiffeh, Vecna, PV and Fro99er are all likely to be town.
Vecna, and Fro99er just feel like they are genuinely solving the game.
Maxous' thoughts make sense and his pushes seem interesting to make if he was scum.
Nero is town cause meta
PV is also meta.
Drixx's entire play so far screams "investigate me no matter how I play" so he is obvious town.
Also I am pretty sure Uzi is town because his paranoia feels genuine and town and it doesn't really feel like scum who knows my lynch will go through regardless of how he defends me.
I also think the Aero+Pine hydra is town cause I feel like the push they made would be weird af to make as scum.

Though, I agree with your townreads (except Aero+Pine, I'm considering Maxous).

[Creature]

Akane and Nebby (Alisae & Malachite)
Fro99er
Nero Cain
Yuri

beeboy
The DEO (Titus & Mathblade)
Leonshade
Elbirn

Creature
Drixx

Caesar Wills It (Aeronaut & Pine)

Lil Uzi Vert
Vecna

ssbm_Kyouko
ooba

Maxous
PeregrineV

Sondam (MariaR & gerryoat)

NoticeMeSenpai (JaeReed & mastina)

Albert B. Rampage

Spiffeh

[Creature]

So we have you, The DEO, Leonshade, Elbirn, Caesar Wills It, ssbm_Kyouko, ooba, Sondam and Albert B. Rampage.

[Creature]

Though, I might strike you if you help me solve at this.

[Creature]

I think Elbirn looks like scum openly trolling, what do you think?

[Creature]

*reads in three minutes*
*changes mind about Yuri lynch*

Yeah, guess I'll stay there for a while.

[Creature]

idk, wished Maxous was more noticeable.

[Creature]

So you mean't A&N, not Yuri?

[Creature]

Is Albert usually like this?

[Creature]

Sorta thinks this "D1 can't be a lurker lynch" is stupid.

[Creature]

Not really opposed to Kyouko wagon.

[Creature]

So we could like force the Pyramids owner to claim they got it, and then someone try to sort them.

If someone turns out to be the Pyramids and haven't claimed, we know they're scum.

[Creature]

So we could like force the Pyramids owner to claim they got it, and then someone try to sort them.

If someone turns out to be the Pyramids and haven't claimed, we know they're scum.

Exactly. Thus, when massclaim happens, they are in trouble if no choice is never allowed.

Stonehenge should not claim and park on Pyramids if we do not get a Pyramids claim, and maybe if we get one.

Why not claim immediatelly?

[Creature]

Just don't let Pyramids be used by scum to janitor themselves.

[Creature]

I don't know what to post rn.

[Creature]

VOTE: Sondam

[Creature]

Or we could say names and I say "town", "won't oppose it" and "i'm down".

[Creature]

Hmm, rn "won't oppose it"

[Creature]

Vecna went from "There's no way Creature is scum" to "Only scum can strongly townread him"

lol

[Creature]

Is this MathBlade posting?

[Creature]

Okay, just thought that you hate meta.

[Creature]

Creature's always been a wierd bird, but he's not lurking.

[Creature]

Vecna, you had me as strong town earlier, what happened?

[Creature]

Don't feel inclined to oppose Yuri wagon anymore.

[Creature]

Vecna, you had me as strong town earlier, what happened?

People showed me meta where you also type a lot as scum. I still had your deathnote game in mind as my only meta-reference of your scumgame, and remember you did tell me at the start of PYP that you always lurk as scum

Checking my post count is sorta a lazy way to try to sort me.

[Creature]

Opinions on Elbirn?

[Creature]

Still thinks Yuri is scum?

[Creature]

Okay, I'll sort not try to get very involved D1, like I did at STEVEN UNIVERSE.

[Creature]

Btw, if Yuri is lynched and flips town, someone must pay.

Who offers to be the next lynch incase Yuri is town?

[Creature]

Okay, so far I have Sondam, who else volunteers?

[Creature]

Is it against the rules if I use dice tag?

[Creature]

Math, do you volunteer?

[Creature]

Creature what's your read on me and beeboy?

idk, I feel you're town, just not really opposing your lynch because I'm unsure of who you are.

beeboy is looking town, but whenever he disappears it hurts all townreads on him.

[Creature]

That isn't what is said but that is what it is.

People don't like the effort so they vote it. Definition of a lurker lynch.

Creature if I wasn't in a hydra I would.

~~Math

Would Titus agree?

[Creature]

Why is beeboy looking town?

idk, he seems to have the game more narrowed down and stuff like that, and I also agree with his reads.

[Creature]

I'm feeling a peer pressure right now, and scum likes when towns feel that.

[Creature]

Why is beeboy looking town?

idk, he seems to have the game more narrowed down and stuff like that, and I also agree with his reads.

Youre SRing kyouko and akane, and you have similar townreads to beeboy?

hey nahdia!

ok gotta blast all thats it for today

No, I agree with most of his townreads, not scumreads.

[Creature]

Creature,

you said you're not opposed to Yuri.

Sondam is not happening. Vote Yuri

First I need volunteers to take the lynch if Yuri flips town.

[Creature]

Creature,

you said you're not opposed to Yuri.

Sondam is not happening. Vote Yuri

First I need volunteers to take the lynch if Yuri flips town.

that's not how this works.

If you're scum, this is straight up lining up lynches.

It could also be a vote of confidence.

[Creature]

Thanks for your vote of confidence.

[Creature]

Hmm, how many votes Yuri is at?

[Creature]

VOTE: Yuri

L-2 then

[Creature]

Like I'm p depressed that I'm not getting to lynch my top scum reads but I don't think I'm that depressed.

Who are your top scumreads?

[Creature]

Guess you're caught up.

VOTE: Yuri

[Creature]

If I roll a dice of 10 sides, which should I do?
1 side out of 10 = Build a wonder
2/10 = Build a wonder
3/10 = Build a wonder
4/10 = Build a wonder
5/10 = Build a wonder
6/10 = Build a wonder
7/10 = Build a wonder
8/10 = Build a wonder
9/10 = Build a wonder

[Creature]

That'd mean I 100% must choose a wonder to build tonight.

[Creature]

I sorta wish to live tonight, if Yuri flips town we have things to solve tomorrow.

[Creature]

Starting with ABR.

[Creature]

Sorry, I didn't really pay attention.

Notice, are you opposing Yuri wagon?

[Creature]

UNVOTE:

Okay

[Creature]

I don't feel like someone drowning the thread even though I wanted to.

[Creature]

I guess ABR was solving the game, right?

[Creature]

Is Albert Binstein usually like this?

[Creature]

Btw, I'm not antagonizing, just wondering why you think he's town.

[Creature]

or today, I didn't hammer.

[Creature]

Regardless of alignment, he puts down those who disagree with him and belittles those who suspect him.

Differences between alignments?

[Creature]

Okay

[Creature]

Bye Albert Einstein

[Creature]

Hmm, who replaced ooba?

[Creature]

Oh right, davesaz replaced ooba, therefore he's scum

VOTE: davesaz

[Creature]

davesaz, you're a nice player to play with, but only if you're town.

[Creature]

I don't develop reads at the game start. I'm careful about throwing accusations until I'm certain. You know all this.

Though, it's fun to throw accusations even if it's totally NAI, as long you don't bias on it.

[Creature]

I'm currently at davesaz > ABR, so he made some progress at least.

[Creature]

I hate the "oh we'll just lynch him the next day no biggie!" Line up lynches more ty
~Maria

Town's supposed to focus on getting all scum, not just one.

[Creature]

It's simple, pick the entire playerlist, remove yourself and your scummates, you're left with town, unless there's an SK or another faction.

Yeah, I don't know how they know they're town.

[Creature]

Wow Maria knows who are town-aligned.

[Creature]

Mariar, is Fro99er town-aligned?

[Creature]

Yell at me now.

[Creature]

Yell at me now.

Hey sexy how you doin.

Fine, and you?

[Creature]

Btw, I want to know if Fro99er is town or not.

[Creature]

Why Fro00er out of everyone? Is he hard to read for you or?
~Maria

I want to know.

[Creature]

Okay, maybe I can support you at that.

[Creature]

Welcome to my suspicion list.

Thanks, atleast I'm less likely to be NKed now.

[Creature]

Is Aeronaut even posting?

[Creature]

Sorta wished I was Aradia Megido.

[Creature]

Everybody who scumreads me:
Albert B. Rampage
Maxous
Nero Cain
Sondam
Vecna

Am I missing someone?

[Creature]

idk, I have Sondam (though, not so much rn), Fro99er, Caesar Wills it, you, atleast one of my scumreads, maybe ABR