~laundry~ FIN

[Andrius]

I'm here, I'm here. This game has my top priority in the morning.

It worked!! Don't make me post anything to scare Andrius again!!

Dude, the goat-headed person sacrificing someone was definitely too much.

[Andrius]

PINE
YOU HAVE A MINI?

[Andrius]

Yeah but pages 63 and on are the best.
Ignore everything else.

[Andrius]

Sly
Do I pour myself another glass?

[Andrius]

Sly
Do I pour myself another glass?

If you do, I'm opening the Reisling

THE HORN OF HELM HAMMERHAND
SHALL SOUND IN THE DEEP

ONE
LAST
TIME

[Andrius]

HANG ON BROTHER
LET ME FIND MY CAMERA

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

You should've said Brotha like a viking shame good pun missed

I don't have the right blood for that.
I herald from further east.

Guy's help Gerry is getting hard to carry in overewatch

CANT HELP YOU THERE.
I only play[ed] League.

[Andrius]

HOW DID I MISS IT
Yeah, sure, put me down.

[Andrius]

Man.
Everyone posting tonight is town.
Or something.
I'm willing to risk everything on another TIME-specific tell.

[Andrius]

COOL STORY BRO

[Andrius]

Drinking wine, watching people play D&D, chatting on MS.
Being a deplorable.

[Andrius]

I mean.
Its been a LONG LONG time since I've played.
But I could get down for this.

[Andrius]

I want in

YESSSSSS

[Andrius]

I could be convinced to support a Desperado lynch, but I sure prefer to lynch Tammy. Her assault on Andrius was ridiculous. Anti-town at best.

I'm at the point where I wouldn't be surprised either alignment for her.

[Andrius]

Everyone's town tonight.

[Andrius]

I really don't see this going anywhere though.
Tammy's one of those people where you'd need half the playerlist to be on crack to lynch D1.

[Andrius]

I'm happy you're happy.
And Maria's happy.
And Fire.
We're all just fine and dandy.

[Andrius]

Well.
Someone's gotta get lynched today.
It won't get better for them.

[Andrius]

I don't want you to be on a mislynch.
I invited you to this game I'd rather not have you lynch me. haha

pedit: Well, apparently we're in talks about starting something.

[Andrius]

Wait.
Scared?
Over what?

[Andrius]

GET ON SKYPE
I CAN READ YOU SOMETHING

[Andrius]

was only a personal issue with me.

Uh, no.

Raging was only a personal issue with me..

Uh, no? I wasn't raging. I mean, its happened before. I had it if not notscience in Xenogears and notscience and Marquis in Spring Dance. I mean, I have a tendency to be an ass but I wouldn't say I raged at you.

Again, I thought your tone was off.
I've said this before.

I am town, and I think that Andrius still does have a very high spchance of being scum

Ahahahahaha no.

playing in a way that is more designed to make me feel like shit than to actually find out my alignment makes way too much sense for him as scum.

That is not the goal.

we are preinned for the same game and I need to know if I should out.

I went ahead and cancelled mine for you.
To be fair, there were two reasons but w/e the second needs not be stated.

I will not play games with people who have personal issues with me that just try to make me feel like shit.

Ok, this is and never was the goal. My goal has never been MAKE TAMMY FEEL LIKE SHIT.
I had the intention of sorting you out earlier when I felt your tone was off and said something about it.
This has never been a personal thing.

As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.

Just because he doesn't see eye to eye with you doesn't make him scum?
I mean I thought he was scum and then he engaged with me that one night and I knew despite him being busy he was town.
He's in my final three for a reason.

no that's not it, the point is town creature is *here are some thoughts* pretty frequently and whenever he feels likewith scum creature people are like "hey where's creature" and creature's like "I'm here *here are some thoughts*"

This feels overly simplistic.
There's no way his entire scumplay is BEETLEJUICE.

As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.

You're 100% right that I'm abandoning you in this game and I'm sorry for that. This game is a miserable, annoying slog and I have been playing with replacing out because it is a miserable, annoying slog.

Yeah you're town.
Ruin has come to our laundromat.

if we can't break through it here then I'm probably getting out of here and talking about it when I have distance from it all.

I'm here. I don't think I'll be leaving except by death.

telling me that I was off

See this just sounds like bull to me.
If I'm like Nacho you're scum.
And you're like, 'Andy you're off'. I'd be like what no. That's got to be the easiest way to deflect.

I mean if you were like ANDY MY (insert family member here) JUST DIED AND I AM SO OFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA I'd be like YEAH ACTUALLY I DO HAVE AN IDEA.
But if you just go 'no you're off' then that's nothing to me.

I get busy.
Don't want this falling by the wayside with some convenient both of you are super busy oh darn that scumandrius snuck by us again.

Based on the way that I play, this isn't happening; people like you don't "sneak by", you either destroy me completely or you get destroyed. I'm sure if we're both town here then a moment of mutual meltdown is sure to occur in the future because that's how things have a way of happening, but I don't have it in me to go through this for another day. Rebuilding whatever is broken between all of us is sure to take time and understanding and quelling of feelings for a moment to listen but if it can't happen then I'm not playing.

I'm here.
I'm willing if you are. Grab a hammer.

Which is, frankly, a stupid thing to put into role pms but whatever it doesn't add anything to the game and basically encourages spam/shit/empty posting as EP realized because he TOLD US NOT TO SPAM POST THE WORDS.

Telling Tammy that she's putting Moist into her words and that somehow is making the game less fun and impossible to play is ridiculous. It's not playing the game, it's attacking Tammy. If he wasn't attacking Tammy specifically, why didn't he call out any of the 10 other people who put Moist into their words? Why did he single out Tammy?

Because Tammy was the one I was scumreading off her tone?
Is it this hard to understand?

Like if you take Tammy's posting and replace her name with [GERRYOAT, FB, Nos] it'd be entirely different.
WHO says it is key.

I really feel like there's a disconnect here but I'm ok dropping this and moving on because this is our ONLY source of contention for a number of people.

you all literally produced 12 pages of nothing

Everyone who posted last night was town!
This tell is 100% correct based on a sample size of 1.

poisoned from your friend Andrius

I have just noticed you're not saying "our".
Ok then.

I just reread the wall I wrote and it most definitely was NOT filled with hate.

This is a sign we're getting nowhere, because you keep saying RAGE and I keep going I was never raging.
Lots of frustration and whatever but no rage.

Desperados posting in the early 80's just rings of rabble-rouser.

The hate is clear. If you can't see it, you're her scum buddy. I don't need to quote it, there's been enough damage done already.

You aren't her and you have no idea what she was thinking when she wrote those posts. Stop.

You aren't me and you have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote these posts?
Or is it just Tammy.

Do you read what I've said about Drealmz as being friendly? I've tried to give Drealmz a pass for several games now. I'm calling it like I see it now, because I finally reached a boiling point with him. I see Tammy's words towards Andrius the exact same way. I don't know their history, but I do know she hasn't been in the recent games I've played with Andrius for it to build up like I have been with Drealmz.

Tammy is hurt because she and Andrius are friends. She's hurt because they had a fantastic connection before you came into the picture, she's hurt because she cares about his opinion and she believes that he's singling him out for god knows what reason. I don't think that's a completely unreasonable place for her to be coming from. I don't think that Andrius means any ill will by him because I still have faith in him as a person, but I do think that him attacking her for the Moist thing was weird because plenty of others were doing it and because Andrius isn't the person who complains about people having fun but that's what he was doing.

Nachomamma8 is really scum here.

Explain. How/Why?

HOLY

MOLY

Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.

Alright, I'll party with you.

Vote: Creature

If this doesn't happen my offer still stands.

I don't think that Miller slots self-sort.

Ok self-sort is a bad term.
I mean that it will resolve itself - a Vig or SK will shoot them for points and miller will die.
zzz

Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.

More defcon. Andrius, any thoughts on this?

McMenno's a TR for me.

UT was Scum in DEFCON who was a crowd-pleaser and, after surviving a D1 wagon on himself, was the sole survivor and won the game for MOTHER RUSSIA.
SAD was town in that game. FB was scum. Menno was town.

PINE MADE THE CALL TO ARMS
STRAHDIANS MUST ANSWER

He claims that he unlocks two doors.

I'm the stairs.

Presumably the stairs would be located in between those two doors.

My role PM does not say anything about doors.

I think it's bullshit.

This argument is bullshit. No mod would confirm the existence of another role in your role pm unless they're masons or something.

You're also Hated though.
So thus enjoy some of the many 'benefits' of Miller-itude.

Two negative utility roles that are both town and both are "you impede getting the laundry done" is something that irks me out a bit and if there's scum in the pair, then it's Pine.

Eh.
I don't know if mod-side speculation will help but I don't see the value in Millers/Hated.

Why the interest?

Why wouldn't Frogger be interested in you v Tammy?

Wrong context.
He was going after one word of mine.
This was part of a trend.
Part of the reason he's in third tier town.

In general, this is my concern with the mechanic.
Doesn't add value to the game besides for more dreck which we surely don't need.
But apparently people are TOUCHY about this so whatever it doesn't really matter.

The moist thing was fun. It was playful.
You're right that it doesn't add obvious value, but it can create the companionship feeling and it makes the game lighter, which in my opinion is the same value that your STRAHD playfulness adds. I don't think that people were being touchy about it, I think that it was silly and a little weird that you cracked down on the fun on that point of time to spread the narrative that Tammy was indulging in it to pad her posts; it was light, it was fun, I don't understand how it dragged the game down.

Do we really need to start a discussion on this?

Now that that game is over, I can reference exactly what I was referring to with Andrius over correcting here. In thing he buddies me too quickly too much and it set off alarm bells. I neighborized him anyway in the hopes my alarm was wrong because I wanted a neighborhood with him. By day two my growing problems with him and his lack of real scum hunting emerged and when I told him in the neighborhood that I suspected him he responded with a wall that basically told me I wasn't playing well enough - I didn't have solid scum reads early day one, even though the people I was talking about as my biggest scum reads toogeloo and goat had already flipped scum.

There are things that feel similar here and it feels like he threw suspicion at me early to overcorrect for what set off alarms in the previous game. Then deflecting to make my concerns trivial with a really bad argument feels too similar. He may not be buddying me here, but he is others.

Now that it is over you should ALSO know that ScumAndrius was set on buddying you and being close.
There was NO WAY I would scumread you without tons of time and effort so the best strategy was to simply townread you and be close.
I also discouraged Ranmaru from scumreading you because no one would take it seriously and it would be simply a thing that was done to appear contrarian. It was too forced.

You would benefit, I think, from reading the THING PT.

I don't think I'd be surprised if any of my townreads turned out to be scum.
I don't actually think any of them are like SURPRISE-level material.
Maybe that's just because my care level is so low.

And it's hard for me to get a good read on you because I'm not used to your care level being this low. I am assuming that most of this is because of what's currently happening with Tammy and I would like to move past it so I can have my old, smiling Andrius back; I don't think I would be completely out of line to say that maybe your initial reactions to things were a little weird - you felt you were insulted and that crushed you and maybe that culminated in the mood you were in shortly after. I don't really know what more to say to you that is not game related but I know that we can all work past this and I just hope you're willing to give us the time to do it.

Any world where I scumread Tammy is weird.
Its never happened before.

Then convince me he's not.
Because you're basically just going THIS IS A BAD IDEA without doing much.
Your involvement in the game is basically limited to trying to shut down a few select wagons that are town and little actual scumhunting.
And you interact with a select few people.
And I said I'm ok with this if its nothing more than a policy lynch.
Which it isn't.
zzz

I don't really disagree with your read on Zack here.

To be fair, I think SAD said it first.

In general, this is my concern with the mechanic.
Doesn't add value to the game besides for more dreck which we surely don't need.
But apparently people are TOUCHY about this so whatever it doesn't really matter.

The moist thing was fun. It was playful.
You're right that it doesn't add obvious value, but it can create the companionship feeling and it makes the game lighter, which in my opinion is the same value that your STRAHD playfulness adds. I don't think that people were being touchy about it, I think that it was silly and a little weird that you cracked down on the fun on that point of time to spread the narrative that Tammy was indulging in it to pad her posts; it was light, it was fun, I don't understand how it dragged the game down.

I mean earlier I had plans to claim that I was the pile of clothes, a 3rd party who had to be the moistest thing of all and would die unless I was ranked #1 in the moist challenge and use that to get ahead so I can see if you were attacking me for that degree of shenanigans but Tammy's moist shenanigans didn't seem at all out of line.

You know that's a bullshit role.
I know that's a bullshit role.
I'd definitely tell you it was a bullshit role and expect you to drop it within a page or two.
I know this is a SPYREX-reviewed game and he's done SURVIVORs before but there's no way this flies.
All that role does is encourage SPAM over playing the game.
Even a Survivor has to play the game.

[Andrius]

SlySly wagon is terrible.
I don't think I said it up there but its terrible.
Also I think the voting thing is fake but w/e.

pedit: Against massclaim. There's no reason to this early.

[Andrius]

dreamz I will vig you with my water fountain splash if you don't make your posts more bearable to read.

Just ask the Friendly Serial Killer.

[Andrius]

Ugh, gerryoat makes me think he's trying to buy time.

Well duh.
Town PRs want to buy time too though.

[Andrius]

See this just sounds like bull to me.
If I'm like Nacho you're scum.
And you're like, 'Andy you're off'. I'd be like what no. That's got to be the easiest way to deflect.

I mean if you were like ANDY MY (insert family member here) JUST DIED AND I AM SO OFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA I'd be like YEAH ACTUALLY I DO HAVE AN IDEA.
But if you just go 'no you're off' then that's nothing to me.

I was referring to the distinction in telling me that I was wrong as opposed to taking it as an attack on you as a person.

I may not be reading this 100% because I'm not entirely sure what you're asking.

But I think my issue with it lies in the there's no way out of that ravine - all you're doing is leading to a 'I think you're wrong' 'No I'm not' but without BECAUSE's or HOW/WHYs this cannot get anywhere.

[Andrius]

im maf trying to push a mislynch

I've got nothing for this.

[Andrius]

I disagree because Masons and Brothers and Friendly Neighbors all exist.
Seeking Masons make a lot of sense for A PAIR OF SOCKS or something. This is the type of thing that SpyreX would be giddy over. Masons are strong but if the need to seek each other that helps. Maybe throw in a traitor and really ham up the seeking vibes in-thread?

[Andrius]

Because Tammy was the one I was scumreading off her tone?
Is it this hard to understand?

Like if you take Tammy's posting and replace her name with [GERRYOAT, FB, Nos] it'd be entirely different.
WHO says it is key.

I really feel like there's a disconnect here but I'm ok dropping this and moving on because this is our ONLY source of contention for a number of people.

It's hard to understand because why is Tammy being playful scummy?
Why wouldn't anyone participate in the moist game scummy unless they shared your viewpoint (or why did you expect her to share it?)

It was a tone thing.
Again, I read it and basically went 'this might be scum tammy trying to blend in with the early game vibes'. The mod-provided shenanigans allow for yet another venue for people to commiserate over, sure, but its also exactly where I would expect scum to be. I see that and go 'scum are definitely going to hide in it there's no way they all sit out'. Like I would literally be ok lynching/killing every person competing for moist because there's got to be scum in there. NOT ALL, NOT MOST, NOT MANY, but at least one. Because its such a great place to hide in. Its mod-sanctioned so everyone knows about it.

No more words on that.

I think people are hung up on the WHY TAMMY THOUGH and not literally anyone else. This isn't a calculated thing.
I thought your tone was weird so I said something. FB and Maria playing games is par for the course. I don't know Fro99er but he reminds me of UT so there's automatically a threshold for bullshit involved.

There's also the key difference where I was SCUM in THE THING and thus didn't actually have to discern anyone's alignment. I just townread people for convenience's sake, bussed every scumbuddy but Magna, and townread the people who were too convenient not to TR (Tammy) or where there was a clear tactical advantage to do so (SpyreX, UT).

[Andrius]

I disagree because Masons and Brothers and Friendly Neighbors all exist.
Seeking Masons make a lot of sense for A PAIR OF SOCKS or something. This is the type of thing that SpyreX would be giddy over. Masons are strong but if the need to seek each other that helps. Maybe throw in a traitor and really ham up the seeking vibes in-thread?

They exist.

I do not believe he has that role.

Most mods wouldn't do something like this because its not normal.
EP is not most mods.
SpyreX is the gold standard for design.
So I'm willing to believe something NOT NORMAL and FANCY might make it into this game.
We're allowed to disagree on this but I'm making a case for it in case I die here as the THIRD OPTION.

[Andrius]

Again, I read it and basically went 'this might be scum tammy trying to blend in with the early game vibes'. The mod-provided shenanigans allow for yet another venue for people to commiserate over, sure, but its also exactly where I would expect scum to be. I see that and go 'scum are definitely going to hide in it there's no way they all sit out'. Like I would literally be ok lynching/killing every person competing for moist because there's got to be scum in there. NOT ALL, NOT MOST, NOT MANY, but at least one. Because its such a great place to hide in. Its mod-sanctioned so everyone knows about it.

I was hung up on it because it's something I disagree with and something I think is exceedingly silly.

You're totally allowed to believe its silly and disagree with me.
I'm ok with this.

[Andrius]

What nets expectations? Huh? That I don't have fun?

The expectation was that you would try to blend in as scum and you going through the motions with interactions + joining in the moist game was evidence of that.

*the angels sing hallelujah*

[Andrius]

but I am going to blame slysly for now because it was getting better until he came in

You stop this tomfoolery right now.
Unless you think we're both scum in which case, sure, you distrust me.
In which case you'd be down with my lynch.
Which is still on the table.

[Andrius]

Read what between the lines?

I am of the opinion that Sly's making this all up but people apparently believe that crap..

Are you no longer ok with my lynch? What changed your mind? Better options?

[Andrius]

Unvote

No lolhammers on my watch.

In fact, I think it's exactly what happened, regardless of his intentions.

Ok sure I can see how this would make sense.

Let's try this then

VOTE: Pine

Nope.

I am of the opinion that Sly's making this all up but people apparently believe that crap..

?
This seems like an odd assertion.

I think his role claim thing with the complicated voting mechanic is fake.
And am surprised so many people buy it.
Didn't we just assert, pages ago, that people who tee hee claim PR are immediately townread and unvoted without discussion?
I'm assuming Sly's poking fun at this.
Because now Creature's at L-1 and Sly isn't.

[Andrius]

Nacho.

Am I a Townread or a Scumread?

[Andrius]

I am of the opinion that Sly's making this all up but people apparently believe that crap..

Are you serious?

Vote me.

The only thing I don't buy is the claim. I think someone who gets a double-vote after two days is incredibly weak.
You're still top three town.


pedit: You could have fooled me, Nacho.

[Andrius]

gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam

No matter what you come up with, no scumteam will ever be as good as the pretend Spy/UT/Andy scumteam.
Keep trying.

[Andrius]

gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam

Replace SAD with Pine maybe...

Better.
Not as good.

[Andrius]

What nets expectations? Huh? That I don't have fun?

The expectation was that you would try to blend in as scum and you going through the motions with interactions + joining in the moist game was evidence of that.

Well thanks for coming in and adding to the smack down on Tammy. Appreciate it.

That's not what's happening.

It certainly feels like it.

Nacho's trying to solve this because he is close to both of us.
I had to ask him about his stance on me because I thought he was being a bit dodgy with it but w/e.
ScumNacho might try and do this, sure, but I imagine you can read him well in your own good time and I can as well so there's little benefit for ScumNacho to diffuse this with both of us among the living.

I'm even giving him the option to lynch me and he's not taking it.
Which is still on the table because all we're doing is outing more PRs and claims.

[Andrius]

The only thing I don't buy is the claim. I think someone who gets a double-vote after two days is incredibly weak.

If I was going to fake claim, it sure wouldn't be double voter.

When I'm town, integrity means everything. As you know, I'll forego my own personal wincon to fight with the town.

I know.
I am sorry for doubting your claim.

[Andrius]

drealmerz, I'm not sure you understand.

Nacho and I have a long history of being able to read each other well until the almost-guaranteed late-game point where we start to doubt each other and then actually are both town.
Anywho.
If he thinks I'm scum he's going to secure my lynch and there's nothing I can do because that's how Nacho plays and we know we read each other well.

This isn't some cheeky scum I DARE YOU TO LYNCH ME.

[Andrius]

And poor Andrius is SK he's just trying his best.

Who do you want me to kill tonight?

[Andrius]

I love how I constantly show up in people's scum reads, and yet in 98 pages I haven't been voted once. I'm not that scary of a prospect, am I?

I really don't want to bus you D1 again.

[Andrius]

/in with wine

[Andrius]

Desp are you for real bro?

[Andrius]

This is all pretty irrelevant. "He didn't see the cheap-ass loophole I saw" is an incredibly bad attack.

SAD, clearly "scum" includes a Friendly Serial Killer you believe exists.

[Andrius]

Pine's got the jist of this.
Desperado's reasoning was terrible.
Let's move along.

[Andrius]

Deadline in 3 days, 19 hours, 32 minutes

[Andrius]

I've been reading up on CURSE OF STRAHD.
Spent the last hour or so reading a session report on BGG.
Drinking wine.
Having a good night.

[Andrius]

The former.
Also read up on Mouse Guard too, basically reminding myself to play it at some point of my life.

[Andrius]

Andy.

DM it for us.

I mean if it were simply a matter of WILL, I'd be all over it.
But it also requires WORK and PLANNING. But I'll look into it.

[Andrius]

9/10 for Effort
Missing Dunnstral

[Andrius]

PINE IM READING BOUT CURSE OF STRAHD
AND WATCHING PEOPLE PLAY D&D

IF THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN SOMEONE NEEDS TO MOD

[Andrius]

My gut says no to the Creature wagon.
My mind says no to the gerryoat wagon.

BUT MY BODYYYYYY

[Andrius]

SORRY SHEESH
TYPING THAT REQUIRES TAKING A FINGER OFF OF SHIFT

FINE THEN YOU DM THAT GAME WITHOUT ME BRO

No I do not support your lynch today.

[Andrius]

I am all out anyway.

[Andrius]

I ain't even mad.

[Andrius]

Man its just now midnight.
Last night these shenanigans STARTED around this time.

Maria and I were having a quiet little moment talking about bias-reading each other and SLYSLY walks in all LETS GET DRINKING and it was great.

[Andrius]

I am indeed.
I thought I said exactly where I was earlier.

[Andrius]

Where on the west coast if I may pry?

Spokanistan.

[Andrius]

I know, I posted in the Cali Meet thread.

[Andrius]

I hear you, brother.
Take care of yourself.

[Andrius]

Skybird - on Maria ... really she's part of a subset of the site that I designate EMK (and no, I'm not sharing what it stands for as it is just an internal designation for me) that prioritize "having fun" and "playing with people they like" as the most important parts of the game. I personally have a distaste for that sort of approach.

Magna wrote this in the now-over THE THING and I find it highly relevant here.
My first thought was ZACK this game because I have some history with Maria (<3) and FB (Deplorables) but I Zack seems only interested in talking with his in-group and defending his townreads (in-group members?). I don't know if gerryoak qualifies and frankly, I don't care enough to find out. But this just complicates the matter in that he might be town doing his thing which may or may not be finding scum like the rest of us and actually trying to advance the plot of the game, so to speak. Thus it makes things difficult given my tendency is to just go SCUM DEFENDING PEOPLE HE KNOWS WILL FLIP TOWN AND NOT ACTUALLY SCUMHUNTING.

[Andrius]

Which FURTHER complicates things because he's a scumread of mine and if he's actually town then my scumreads are seriously diminishing in number.

[Andrius]

For the moist thing. So from what I'm gathering your theory was that scum would participate in the moist mini game as a way to have something to do and blend in early, so you were looking for that. If that's what your theory was, that makes sense, and if you had said that's what your theory was in regards to me, I'd have understood having a theory about behavior and looking for that. In fact, I'd have probably thought that looked somewhat town as it sounds similar to theories of behavior I've had before about certain stuff, but it wasn't presented as that until yesterday. I can't know you have some theory that isn't what you actually said in thread while deflecting some concern I had on you.

If I'd heard that, well not much else I can say except you're wrong there too. I just thought it was amusing as hell. I was happy to draw town in a player list I was looking forward to playing with, especially with a few players I was happy came back that I haven't played with in forever.

Open and honest communication is under-rated.
I am sorry we had to fight like this. Nacho and SAD have said things in hundreds of less words than it took me to say it badly.

And yes, Zack seems 0% interested in game solving and 100% interested in having a good time.
To be fair the entire WINE PARTY is 100% good time but they also have varying levels of GAME SOLVING.
Given the first WINE PARTY began as me and Maria simply talking.

[Andrius]

the problem is I have no real "case" on him

Then help me start one.

[Andrius]

TOWN
SlySly
SAD
Nacho

drealmerz
Pine

Maria

(snip)

Ok so you're second tier town.
Yeah I read you as town.
I bumped you up a tier for bias.
Like, drealmerz and I have a completed game together

and then some

so I have a stronger grasp on him than you. Also there's no bias involved.

I townread you because I really don't see a general scum-motivation to anything you've done so far. Sure, you're not playing like Tammy or SAD or Fire or Sly, but I think you're town. You don't necessarily care what other people will think and are able to fight off people like Fire who come around.

I bumped you a tier because of bias. Because I'd be sad to see you go and, frankly, would be more surprised if you were scum than the Tier III Townies.

[Andrius]

Anyway can we please not let this day run to deadline because 9 to lynch is a p big number and I don't want some terrible wagon forming near deadline with people brainlessly jumping on.

If anyone disagrees to a 1v1 between Gerry and Creature then voice your opinion quickly, otherwise pick one of those two wagons (you people already know which I pref sooo).

You don't want to lynch the Serial Killer?
Id probably lynch Creature at this junction over gerryoat.
If you ask nicely maybe the SK will shoot someone you want dead.

[Andrius]

gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam

No matter what you come up with, no scumteam will ever be as good as the pretend Spy/UT/Andy scumteam.
Keep trying.

you/tammy/nacho/slysly involved in elaborate shenaniganigans

No scumteam involving me would be complete without CLERIC PINE.

[Andrius]

I don't think I mind an Andy vote but I think i want to do this more

VOTE: Nacho

Lynch me over Nacho.

1) Tammy will work with Nacho. Nacho will work with Tammy.
2) SAD thinks I'm the Serial Killer.

[Andrius]

Andrius why are you so obsessed with the SK thing

I'm more of taunting SAD than anything.

That's all I can say.

[Andrius]

1) Tammy will work with Nacho. Nacho will work with Tammy.

Tammy has expressed her own concerns about Nacho not engaging with her this game.

Look, if they don't engage with each other, one of them is scum.
Simple as that.
One of them won't be putting in the time and effort that's needed this game so one of them (or both???) will be scum.
Simple as that.
I'm willing to give Nacho time to catch up and get all READS and FIRE going.
And if I can give him that time through my lynch, so be it.
I believe in him. I believe that he can rally this game if he so chooses and has time. If he's town.
If he doesn't, then he's scum.
Simple as that.

[Andrius]

I don't have time right now for a big post.

But, Tammy, I still saw myself of that /pre-in. I hope you have a good time.

[Andrius]

And I'm glad we're working through this.

[Andrius]

I MAKE MY OWN FATE

[Andrius]

So I guess it's Creature or Gerry today, eh?

Consider my vote on creature if that's the case.

Or me.
But you seem to be ignoring that for some reason.

[Andrius]

Dinner.
My place.
20:30 PST.

[Andrius]

So I guess it's Creature or Gerry today, eh?

Consider my vote on creature if that's the case.

Or me.
But you seem to be ignoring that for some reason.

You have one vote on you, right?

You could make it two.
Pretty sure drealmerz, gerryoat, Toog, FB, Zack might join you as well.
Maybe SAD if he wants to lynch the Friendly Serial Killer.

[Andrius]

Dinner.
My place.
20:30 PST.

Can I join and bake cupcakes

Please do!

[Andrius]

Wait.
Bake.
BAKE?
ITS LIKE YOU KNOW ALL THE WAYS TO MY HEART

[Andrius]

Angel beats seemed like a good anime never watched it though

I recommend it!

[Andrius]

likely scum-lightscumleans

slysly
andrius
SAD
gerry
fro99er
maria
FB

[Andrius]

Dude you should play DARKEST DUNGEON MAFIA.

[Andrius]

Fun fact

I have a stuffed frog named waffles

Funner fact, I once had a waffle stuffed with Frog Legs...


This thread is getting impossible to read. It's completely flooded with irrelevant content and pointless fluff. I will literally lynch anyone NOT Tammy at this point.

Your options are [gerryoat, Creature, Andrius].

[Andrius]

Vote: Creature

[Andrius]

I prefer this over gerryoat, though I'm not happy about this.
Would also be happy lynching zak.

[Andrius]

Ok pursuing the line of questioning asking gerryoat what his role is CLEARLY isn't getting us anywhere.
Drop it or vote him.

[Andrius]

You know, garry, I wouldn't have taken you for a buddier.

[Andrius]

Maria vote Creature, you know i'm not maf.

This isn't how you get her to help out.

[Andrius]

If he's actually a mafia goon, this is totally ok.
We'll just lynch his buddies later.
I don't see the problem.

[Andrius]

Gerry said it.
I'm responding to him.

[Andrius]

Unvote

mfw everyone we wagoned has claimed PR.

[Andrius]

Wait.
SAD.
Are you ok with a Zack lynch?
CAN THIS HAPPEN?

[Andrius]

Andrius, 2917

Has Aaron Rodgers connected with another one or is this a Brock Osweiller interception?

There's a reason I'm constantly advocating myself as an alternative lynch target.
Because I believe at least one of the PR hard/soft claims.

[Andrius]

I mean.
I don't think I've been in a game with him since Blackest Night.
We're not counting The THING as we were both scum and he replaced in and Toogeloo Boogeloo'd pretty hard and died D1.

[Andrius]

I mean.
I don't think I've been in a game with him since Blackest Night.
We're not counting The THING as we were both scum and he replaced in and Toogeloo Boogeloo'd pretty hard and died D1.

Do you get the feeling he's avoided you this game because he knows you know his scum game?

I don't think so.
We didn't interact at all in THE THING.
I was leaning scum on his slot pending his catchup.
He didn't catch up and instead suicided so we bussed him.
We had words in the THING PT but nothing in-thread.

[Andrius]

Gerry really isn't scum tho I'm mad u wrote 8 volumes of info just to vote a ML LMFAO

Then convince me he's not.
Because you're basically just going THIS IS A BAD IDEA without doing much.
Your involvement in the game is basically limited to trying to shut down a few select wagons that are town and little actual scumhunting.
And you interact with a select few people.
And I said I'm ok with this if its nothing more than a policy lynch.
Which it isn't.

Then convince me he's not.
Because you're basically just going THIS IS A BAD IDEA without doing much.
Your involvement in the game is basically limited to trying to shut down a few select wagons that are town and little actual scumhunting.
And you interact with a select few people.
And I said I'm ok with this if its nothing more than a policy lynch.
Which it isn't.
zzz

I don't really disagree with your read on Zack here.

Skybird - on Maria ... really she's part of a subset of the site that I designate EMK (and no, I'm not sharing what it stands for as it is just an internal designation for me) that prioritize "having fun" and "playing with people they like" as the most important parts of the game. I personally have a distaste for that sort of approach.

Magna wrote this in the now-over THE THING and I find it highly relevant here.
My first thought was ZACK this game because I have some history with Maria (<3) and FB (Deplorables) but I Zack seems only interested in talking with his in-group and defending his townreads (in-group members?). I don't know if gerryoak qualifies and frankly, I don't care enough to find out. But this just complicates the matter in that he might be town doing his thing which may or may not be finding scum like the rest of us and actually trying to advance the plot of the game, so to speak. Thus it makes things difficult given my tendency is to just go SCUM DEFENDING PEOPLE HE KNOWS WILL FLIP TOWN AND NOT ACTUALLY SCUMHUNTING.

[Andrius]

Zach is super scummy btw post 617.

You'll have to elaborate, my friend.

Oh the side defense on me it was something Spiffeh (scum) did in DEFCON when I was being wagoned on Day 2 and he was halfheartedly defending the wagon saying it was bad etc.

You just have a lot to gain from it and very little to lose knowing I'll flip town. Also it's extremely similar to Spiffeh because you're not actively trying to stop the wagon just sitting there saying that you think it's bad.

Who do you want lynched then I don't remember you having any scumreads Zach.

Who do you want lynched then I don't remember you having any scumreads Zach.

I'll probably pick someone from the Nos and Gerry wagons

I've played with scum Nos and rolled scum with Nos before, I feel comfortable in saying he's very town here

The hell is this.

Zach I'm starting to have doubts on you get a grib.

Guys.

Creature wouldn't be this hard to lynch if he were Town. It would be a total no-brainer to justify lynching Town!Creature. We're not seeing any significant resistance, we're seeing interest elsewhere sans commitment. That says scum to me. I want to hunt off the Creature wagon when he flips scum.

But but but

Zach is in the corner feeling himself over the thought of any lynch flipping town. You really think that the lynch that is this hard to drive near deadline even though creature has done nothing townie might hit scum if Zach says it's town??????

[Andrius]

Vote: Zack

So ok with this.

[Andrius]

Has no known scumreads that aren't me.
And that happened after FB asked him to join FB.
Really don't see anything original besides following FB and defending lynch wagons on townies.
No effort to solve the game.
(Finding townreads is only solving the game insofar as scumreads are found later.)

[Andrius]

I have some history with Maria (<3)

Is Maria's 2848 the townMaria you know? Or is this scumMaria, going, "look Sly, I'm not spamming uncontrollably like before"?

I think this is town Maria.

[Andrius]

Imo, town hunting and scum hunting can be equally effective. Finding enough town leaves only scum left.

But you have to

pursue the scum

.

[Andrius]

Do you think he's been trapping?

[Andrius]

"hey! they'll never think we're scum together if we vote in quick succession!"

Oh hey look he's scumreading us again, Sly.
Caring Meter:

|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----|----| 0%

[Andrius]

I remain unmoved by your anger and threats.

[Andrius]

I suggest you guys fuck off to another lynch

Join the wagon if you want you flintstone vitamin motherfucker

Seriously you guys are ass

[Andrius]

f his scumclaim is true he isn't very harmless and we can lynch him in the next couple of days

This is a terrible argument.
This isn't a soap opera where we have to drag out the confession scene until season three or some shit.
We lynch the scum NOW.

[Andrius]

I don't think scum is getting lynched today I dislike both wagons but I won't nl

Creature's wagon honestly feels like town but the wagons I want (as stated before) aren't happening so getting claims from others isn't what I want so I'm honestly about to cut my losses
Maybe I'll nl
UNVOTE:
Gonna think on this

I don't know why I'm so scared to be honest I'm never this defensive I think it's mostly because I want to have one game where I feel really strong huh strange
VOTE: Zach

will someone PLEASE vig this???????????????

Over my corpse.

[Andrius]

The Third Option is still available.
I enjoy watching people scumread me and not do anything with it though.

[Andrius]

Pine.
Would it not make sense for a Town PR Creature to want to lynch anyone but him?
That's not necessarily scum - Town PR who thinks they're of great value

whose utility is not derived from their own lynch

would try to stay alive.

I literally would have voted anyone once compromised in OUTWITTED years ago.

[Andrius]

The fake stuttering thing and leaning on the whole 'cute anime girl' motif looks extra contrived.

I'm pretty sure the stuttering thing is a modifier/role PM type thing.

Its not.

[Andrius]

I'm concerned Fro99er is scum and is sneaking by me.

I did some reading on my PTS argument and yeah, there's a massive hole in my arguing for Creature there.
sigh

I can be swayed to lynch Creature if Zack won't happen and no one will give me a bullet.

[Andrius]

Let scum sort me, unless they have a ninja with a lot of shots, they wouldn't want to risk getting caught red-handed.

Nope.gif

I'm concerned Fro99er is scum and is sneaking by me.

Bout time you came out and said it. You've been alluding to it enough.

Again, you have a certain air about you that reminds me of UT, but unlike UT I don't see you having any sort of PLAN behind the WAAAAAHHHH etc behavior.

[Andrius]

Anyone who does that is scum for shirking responsibility for their own vote.
Sheeping is acceptable.
Proxy-ing is scummy as shit.
MAKE YOUR OWN FATE

[Andrius]

Given that the Zack wagon consists of [Andrius, SlySly, Maria, Creature] who's the scum driving this wagon?
Just Maria?

[Andrius]

Fire andy Pine is scum sorry to say
Pedit: OH SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

I am a sock?

I think the post has invisible commas.
I read it like 'Fire, andy, Pine is scum sorry to say'.

[Andrius]

I didn't think I could like you any more Andy get in my pocket rn

I mean maybe we should actually try to get to know each other one of these days

when the gulls cry

so we're not surprised at stuff like YOU WATCH SAO which is pretty basic. Until that day I'll be rallying my brethren.

Maria, I can't be at your side if I'm in your pocket. I prefer being useful.

[Andrius]

It seems like no one cares about a watcher claim dying now, but later in the game it'll bite their ass.

No this is cheap as crap.

[Andrius]

I don't think you're getting lynched today. So that won't be a problem.

[Andrius]

Ok Fire.
Let's play a game.
Let's pretend Creature somehow becomes MOD CONFIRMED TOWN.
Ok.
Then we're back to [Gerry, Fire, Zack, Andy, Desp].

WHERE NOW DO YOU TAKE MY STANDARD

[Andrius]

It's like The Thing where I was left to die and just when I was dead everybody regretted.

I can only speak for myself but I was quite happy you died.
Given I killed you myself.

[Andrius]

I CAN SEE WHATS HAPPENING
AND THEY DONT HAVE A CLUE
ERRANTPARABOLA WILL FALL IN A WASHING MACHINE AND HERES THE BOTTOM LINE
OUR GAME DRAGS ON AND ON

[Andrius]

pedit: CAN YOU FEEL THE LYNCH TODAY?

IT IS WHERE WE AREN'T
EACH OF US
ITS ENOUGH TO MAKE THIS MAD-EYED HIGHWAYMAN
THAT WE CANT LYNCH SOMEONEEEE

[Andrius]

CREATURE
STOP ATE/BULLSHIT/WIFOM

GIVE ME READS, CASES, OR SOME ACTUAL CONTENT FOR WHO THE SCUM ARE
OR ROLL OVER AND DIE

[Andrius]

Thank you.
I read that earlier but don't want to dig through posts to find this crap so.

[Andrius]

Thank you.
I read that earlier but don't want to dig through posts to find this crap so.

Do you disagree with these reads?

Some of them.
I'm not at peace with the amount of "this and this" or "this but this" that goes on though.

Drealmers you go back and forth.
Zack is POE.
Maria you have back/forth.
Frogger is but I don't know his scumgame.
Nos is but I like his recent posting.
etc

Ugh.
I'm going to step away for a bit.

[Andrius]

Literally the only way this makes sense, in my mind, if he's part of a Seeking pair and he's NOT the Seeker.

[Andrius]

Deadline in 1 day, 20 hours, 31 minutes

[Andrius]

I, uh, haven't really changed my mind on the leading wagons substantially.

[Andrius]

in several days

I'll get to that point when we get there.
Between now and "several days" (assuming you mean at least D3 maybe D4) there will probably be 2-3 lynches and ANYWHERE from 0-6 nightkills depending on success/failure rates, number of factions, and if there's a Vig/SK/Friendly SK. So there will be bodies.

What are you asking.
What size is a good voting bloc?
I think you're asking about them and the voting bloc thing is distacting from our purposes here.

AND YES I KNOW THE THING JUST ENDED WHERE SCUM WERE IN THE BLOC BUT THAT DOESNT SUDDENLY MEAN ALL PLANS AND BLOCS ARE BAD WE HAVENT EVEN STARTED A BLOC YET

[Andrius]

tl;dr

What are you asking?
Because I don't see a gerryoat/Sly collaboration.
There is 0% discussion on a voting bloc.

If you want to ask me questions about either of them my face is up here.

[Andrius]

I'm saying that gerry and his friend will know they are town, and Sly could possibly have two votes if we are considering him town. That is 4 votes who could bloc together, right? How much bigger do you think the bloc could get of confirmed town as well?

17 players.
Guessing 4-5 anti-town players.
Roughly 40-60% of the town will be PRs in a standard game.

Sure, anywhere in the 5-7 range could bloc early on.
Gets smaller as time goes on ofc but this is normal.

I mean I could easily form a voting bloc of 7 people without even trying.
Remember, though, that I say VOTING BLOC not TOWN BLOC.
Because VOTING BLOCs are allowed to have scum in them and voting blocs can be utilized to see who's willing to vote for who, etc.

I mean, let's not assume anything though.

I mean we have to operate under the assumption these players are town, so why wouldn't they bloc together if we believe they are town?

No, no we don't.
Gerry could be bullshitting.
Assuming scum can't be a doublevoter is stupid because it is very common these days to see mods go OH HEY THIS IS A VOTING POWER/RESTRICTION but it isn't enforced in My/LyLo. Its like, then why bother doing it?

I admit I have my own reservations about voting roles and do not use them because of the absolute ridiculousness they add to a game. I don't want tallying votes to be a headache. I want it to be simple. SMITE Mafia is a good example of VOTING POWERS EVERYWHERE where it just got annoying trying to do anything, let alone use your abilities.

[Andrius]

It would be useful if it could be used in My/LyLo.
Then it would actually be a cool gambit to hold onto it all game to surprise people at the end.

[Andrius]

Spoiler: For Firebringer

There was once a great man, a king of men, who lived in a high hall above a city of his people, living among the vast plans of the earth. They made a simple living, focused on the development of the town, the safety of their families, and the preservation of all that they deemed good and safe. The great king was supported by a number of smaller nobles, whose lines swore allegiance to him and his family, and the countless people in the town below. All worked together for their mutual well-being.

The great king fell ill, and his children assited him with stately affais. The first of these, Princess Spiffeh, vowed to follow her father in the ways of justice and virtue; her goal was to protect the kingdom and its people against all threats to their lands. Little did she know that this was no easy task. People had different ideas. Some wanted what others had. The nobles were often no better, bickering over titles, land grants, and who was closest to her. She had many suitors, but felt that they were more interested in her family name and their proximity to the throne than her own charms.

Trouble surfaced abroad. A nomadic people moved into the region, frustrating many of the citizens of her land. There were minor skirmishes, but nothing that her well-trained military couldn't handle. A small plague erupted in the merchant's ward, fueling shortages of food and paranoia over disease. The science academy worked tirelessly, but stopping one problem only revealed another. Her own family had its share of issues. Princess Spiffeh seeked to protect all of her people but could not determine who were here closest allies and who were her enemies.

War loomed. Disease haunted the wards. Thieves and brigands began looting in the dark allies of the major cities. The country roads proved treacherous. Highwaymen abounded. Coastal towns experienced flooding and ruin. People began to lose faith. Some advocated for a different member of her family. Some said she was uncapable. Some screamed for an end to all of it, and establishing a different order - based on the military, based on the sciences, based on strength.

Hope ever remained, however. Despite the unseen force that seeked to ruin the once-prosperous kingdom, Princess Spiffeh had allies, though she knew of them not. Some operated in the shadows, fighting cutthroats with the blade. Some fought in the courts, fighting bureaucracy with the plume. Many, the common folk, fought every day with their lives as they had done for years, toiling for the betterment of their families and the crown. The king looked as thought he would recover. The royal family was ecstatic.

Then war came. An foreign aggressor arose, and sought to conquer the land of Spiffeh's father while he was weak. This power also fomented rebellious thought in the people at home. What began as thievery evolved into sabotage, and soon, outright war in the streets. Minor houses were always a prime target. Many lost members of their families. A few were wiped out entirely.

And then autumn came. In the weeks of the Golden Harvest the palace itself was attacked. In the chaos, the attackers breached the gates, and swarmed the halls. The guardsmen defended the royal family as they made their escape to a secret transport headed into the mountains. As the family boarded, and Princess Spiffeh turned to help her father, a bolt pierced his back. The guardsmen loaded him into the transport and bade them farewell. Princess Spiffeh held her father as he died, as their guardsmen died, as the capitol burned.

And she vowed that she would have her vengeance.

You told me to tell you a story, so I just started writing.

[Andrius]

Also I'm starting to think this game is role madness and it really should have been advertised as such :/

Why does this matter bro.

[Andrius]

Let's pinpoint a new question...

Do you believe that Gerry's Role (as town), Sly's role (as town), and, oh say, a pair of Masons could exist in the game?

Yes.

[Andrius]

Let's pinpoint a new question...

Do you believe that Gerry's Role (as town), Sly's role (as town), and, oh say, a pair of Masons could exist in the game?

Yes.

Given I don't know what Gerry's role IS, sure.

[Andrius]

Ok Baku.
I'll party.
Do you want me voting Gerry?

[Andrius]

It's Tammy and I as Masons, and one or both of us may have something additional.

Of course it's obvious, and it should have been obvious since the game started.

Its like you're doing a Toogeloo Boogeloo, but this time you're suiciding as a mason.
mfw

[Andrius]

Ok Baku.

lol, how are you aware of my other persona? I thought Fate was the only other person aware of it

I read Hypnotist's Mafia.
I was a fan of your performance there.

[Andrius]

I wouldn't be shocked if Creature was scum watcher but I wouldn't be shocked if he was town

He gets a little itty bitty point because 2 Masons of Town Power can't be seen via Watcher.
So small it really doesn't matter though.

[Andrius]

It's Tammy and I as Masons, and one or both of us may have something additional.

Of course it's obvious, and it should have been obvious since the game started.

Its like you're doing a Toogeloo Boogeloo, but this time you're suiciding as a mason.
mfw

There's a certain security to being a Mason.

I know but outing yourself D1?

[Andrius]

Not before these past 2 pages.
I had no idea.

[Andrius]

it also helps us lynch scum

No, no one was going to lynch Tammy or Toog.

Well, at least this means Tammy's town.

[Andrius]

andrius you can't be serious

tammy has said, i dunno, four or five times that gerry's role can't exist. he even whined about how she keeps saying it.

100% srs.
I may be the Baker, but I am dumb as rocks.

[Andrius]

Vote: Gerry

Lynched D1 and I'll never see him in a game again.
Good bargain.

[Andrius]

STRAHDIANS
I BESEECH THEE TO JOIN ME ON THIS QUEST TO SLAY EVIL

[Andrius]

You need to stop crumbing your role Andrius too

Ssssshhhh let the scum waste their bullets on my Friendly Serial Killer body.

[Andrius]

Darling, I just want him dead. Don't care how.

[Andrius]

Your assumptions regarding this game are highly erratic, SAD.


pedit: Look, love, unless he's a friendly child or something I really don't see how this works.
And if you govern him my heart will break. YOU WILL STILL HAVE MY HEART
BUT IT WILL BE IN PIECES

[Andrius]

Wait

Andrius

Are you X-shot?

Your assumptions regarding this game are highly erratic, SAD.

[Andrius]

I don't see how this turns into Sly being lynched but w/e.
Doublevoter with some wacko condition and Masons isn't broken, panda.

[Andrius]

Wait what.
Should I have read the Sample PM?

I JUST READ ERRANTPARABOLA AND FREAKED OUT

[Andrius]

Well crap.
You're right.

Reading the OP is overrated. Ty, bae.

[Andrius]

I did.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

I'm here.
Been busy with starting up a game.

[Andrius]

+ masons + doublevoter + maybe cop? + whatever the hell gerry is + what 2 others have crumbed (p strong roles)

+miller
+hated

[Andrius]

All this THE TOWN IS TOO STRONG crap goes right out the window if this is indeed ROLE MADNESS.

But again,

Your assumptions regarding this game are highly erratic, SAD.

[Andrius]

It's Theme Park. It's always role madness.

Ok this may be a difference in terms.

When I hear ROLE MADNESS I think NO VANILLA TOWNIES.

[Andrius]

The focusing on flavor and power need to stop.
Trying to outgame

me, errantparabola

the mod in FLAVOR WHICH KEYS FOR WHICH DOOR is silly.

Nothing much has changed for me besides the size of this thread.
sigh

[Andrius]

Andy, do you agree it would be dumb to have a role where if you eliminate them you can't get the laundry done, as sly is implying?

It doesn't matter if the laundry is done or not if Errantparabola dies.

I think you're overthinking this.

[Andrius]

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-01 17:30:00)

[Andrius]

Votecount 1.21

No flavor, because I'm busy. As you were, everybody.

Creature

(5): McMenno, Ser Arthur Dayne, gerryoat, Fro99er, MariaR

gerryoat

(4): Nachomamma8, Andrius, Desperado, Toogeloo

Zachstralkita

(2): SlySly, Creature

Andrius

(1): Zachstralkita

Desperado

(1): Firebringer

MariaR

(1): Pine

SlySly

(1): drealmerz7

Not Voting

(2): Tammy, Nosferatu
17 players, 9 majority.

Deadline in (expired on 2017-02-01 17:30:00)

The people out on the fringes should probably consolidate now.
I am still offering up myself as a lynch today as the THIRD ROUTE.

Like if we're going to play the whole apprehension on not lynching claimed PRs game, now's really not the time. Or time to find another way.

[Andrius]

UPDATED

SlySly (5): drealmerz7, SAD, Zack, Frogger, Toog
Creature (3): McMenno, gerryoat, MariaR
gerryoat (3): Nachomamma8, Andrius, Desperado
Zachstralkita (1): Creature
Desperado (1): Firebringer
MariaR (1): Pine

Not Voting (3): Tammy, Nosferatu, Sly
17 players, 9 majority.
Deadline in 1 day, 1 hour, 55 minutes

[Andrius]

FB you're not even trying.
I did at least one votecount in THE THING as mafia.

[Andrius]

No, I mean with the andrius is confirmed town comment.
You just saw me do that as scum on Deplorable Day.

[Andrius]

SAD, I dont think its beneficial to encourage yet another wagon within 24h of deadline.

[Andrius]

Stop focusing on peoples flavor and the mechs of thwere roles if you scumread the person hard enough you should vote then regardless of what they claim unless it's something that can be cleared otherwise give it a day then lynch it if proven false

This. This so much.

All y'all scumreading me should pile on so we can dance the song of silence and blood together.

[Andrius]

Stop focusing on peoples flavor and the mechs of thwere roles if you scumread the person hard enough you should vote then regardless of what they claim

[Andrius]

At this point I am just lost as to what to do.
I honestly think we're going to wind up deadline-lynching someone tomorrow and it'll be chosen half by necessity and half by whoever's screaming the loudest at deadline.

[Andrius]

Thankfully, FB is off the table.
I think it'll be either Gerry or Sly at this point and I don't like how the Sly wagon only popped up right before deadline AS the Gerry wagon was getting motion after the Mason claim.
I thought Sly was town before all this and it just sets me all on edge because Sly's now the biggest wagon IIRC and we were just getting motion on GERRY.

Not to mention Tammy and Nacho are MIA to a degree and the lurker brigade is low-impact so we get the same players talking day in and day out.

Thankfully FB and Nos are off the table now.

[Andrius]

I distrust Frogger because he has this complacent attitude where I really don't see him driving things. He's a constant presence, sure, but he's doing so little on his own its maddening.
Desperado is at least far more consistent.

Toog is town. Tammy is town.
Maria is town. Pine is town. Sly, FB, Nos are town. Nacho is town.

sigh

[Andrius]

I'm sorry, darling.
I really want to lynch Gerry now.

[Andrius]

The Sly swing was almost too convenient for people.
SAD moved and he's still asking for a Desp lynch?

[Andrius]

I'll take any of desperado slysly or creature man.

Gerry wagon feels shitty the more I think about it. Esp for a day 1 wagon even of he is scum it will be easier to tell down the road like real talk I'm not scared of Gerry scum driving to endgame and winning or something think in terms of S_S vs UT and who was more of a priority better lynch due to their levels of danger.

I disagree.
We'll have maybe dead masons for the next two nights. Gerry isn't a priority anymore.
And I agree with Tammy there's all sorts of potential for confusion.

[Andrius]

Like, if we can't get GERRY then CREATURE is my compromise.
Desp and Sly are more likely town.

[Andrius]

SAD am I allowed to stab frogger out tonight?
I think he's scum and I really need to be in your good graces if I'm going to survive this game as friendly neighborhood serial killer.

[Andrius]

Nah man if I stab you it ignores bulletproof vests.
I get one chance to be more...

intimate

with my victim and bullets bounce off vests but knives don't.

Anyone want frog legs?

[Andrius]

I don't think so.
Friendly Neighborhood Serial Killers are bulletproof and knifing you ignores all those things that prevent us from being together.

Will I miss your WAAAAAAAAHHHH posts? No.
Will I miss your wagon-hopping? No.
Will I miss your lack of drive? No.
And I won't miss your avatar.
I'll keep it in a case.

[Andrius]

[Andrius]

Lynch Creature and if he flips town flashlynch me tomorrow.

I am submitting a strongman kill on you tonight.
Creature's flip cannot save you.

[Andrius]

Lack of drive?

Like when I tried to drive a Nacho wagon and everyon shushed me?

When I drove the fire wagon?

When i drove the SAD wagon?

I'm trying to get everyone to coalesce on Creature but you all have your heads shoved...well...you get it.

I don't CARE about THEN.
I care about NOW.
I'm looking at RIGHT NOW the couple days before deadline and you've been very just go with the flow.
Yeah, you pushed Nacho and SAD. Sure.
When it didn't matter and no one cared about it because the nacho wagon went nowhere and the SAD wagon dissipated.

I MEAN WE ARE AT DEADLINE
AND PEOPLE ARE MISSING
I CARE ABOUT HOW PEOPLE REACT

NOW

[Andrius]

Andy you even said you'd compromise on Creature.

SAD you will too.

I've got time before deadline.

[Andrius]

Lynch Creature and if he flips town flashlynch me tomorrow.

I am submitting a strongman kill on you tonight.
Creature's flip cannot save you.

WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Fixed this for you.

[Andrius]

Andy you even said you'd compromise on Creature.

SAD you will too.

I've got time before deadline.

Says the guy who keeps pointing how soon the deadline is

I can be around as needed.

[Andrius]

Vote: Creature

[Andrius]

i'm not so sure right now, there's some juicy scum on my wagon that i think i'd prefer at this point.

If I weren't already committed to sending in a kill in whiny frog scum I'd probably shoot zack.

[Andrius]

SAD if you were to leash creature's shots, what would you choose he do tonight?

Firebringer because he claimed protective role, Andrius because he crumbed vig pretty hard, one of the masons if it's not a factional kill and one person who does the killing.

Creature should watch the masons. Obviously.
No contest.

[Andrius]

but if andy is going to vig me

I wasn't.

[Andrius]

You're also assuming that both [Creature, Fire] are town.
Your plan requires both of them to function.

[Andrius]

This game was reviewed by three competent reviewers.
I think the only piece of evidence needed to shoot down your THIS SEEMS TOO POWERFUL is that THERE ARE ANTI-TOWN PLAYERS IN THIS GAME.
They could be Scum Cops, fakeclaiming Miller, Scum 2shot Watcher, etc.

The only thing we know is likely town is MASONS and even then THE ONLY INNOCENTS ARE BODIES.

[Andrius]

yeah andy might be scum

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

ANDY IS MEAN I CLAIMED COP AND NOW HE WONT EVEN SHOOT ME

[Andrius]

Just going to ignore andy from here out. It's clear he has some kind of problem with me, and I'm not sure what I ever did to him to get him to act this way to me.

Sorry, I'm naturally abrasive with my scumreads.

[Andrius]

Creature lynch or bust.

ALL ABOARD

[Andrius]

Just going to ignore andy from here out. It's clear he has some kind of problem with me, and I'm not sure what I ever did to him to get him to act this way to me.

Sorry, I'm naturally abrasive with my scumreads.

Are you seriously still scumreading me?

I meant before the Cop claim.
Clearly since you're claiming a PR we all back off and you're insta-town.
Just like everyone else.
hohoho

[Andrius]

yeah andy might be scum

WAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH

ANDY IS MEAN I CLAIMED COP AND NOW HE WONT EVEN SHOOT ME

You don't seem like the type to be hurt over something like this.
But hey, look, if you're upset I'll work harder to try not being an ass to you.
Ok?
Ok.
I'm not shooting you, and there are at least three players this game who should know my role exactly based on how this day has gone down.
They need not say anything, though.

[Andrius]

Hey Nacho, even better, bus Creature now, kill me tonight, and no one left will actually have the stones or competence to push you.

Ahem.

If I'm alive that is.

YOU HAVE MY SWORD