Dude, the goat-headed person sacrificing someone was definitely too much.In post 2001, SlySly wrote:It worked!! Don't make me post anything to scare Andrius again!!In post 1997, Pine wrote:I'm here, I'm here. This game has my top priority in the morning.
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I don't have the right blood for that.In post 2015, MariaR wrote:You should've said Brotha like a viking shame good pun missed
I herald from further east.
CANT HELP YOU THERE.In post 2016, MariaR wrote:Guy's help Gerry is getting hard to carry in overewatch
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I'm at the point where I wouldn't be surprised either alignment for her.In post 2032, SlySly wrote:I could be convinced to support a Desperado lynch, but I sure prefer to lynch Tammy. Her assault on Andrius was ridiculous. Anti-town at best."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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Uh, no.Tammy wrote:was only a personal issue with me.
Uh, no? I wasn't raging. I mean, its happened before. I had it if not notscience in Xenogears and notscience and Marquis in Spring Dance. I mean, I have a tendency to be an ass but I wouldn't say I raged at you.Tammy wrote:Raging was only a personal issue with me..
Again, I thought your tone was off.
I've said this before.
Ahahahahaha no.Tammy wrote: I am town, and I think that Andrius still does have a very high spchance of being scum
That is not the goal.Tammy wrote:playing in a way that is more designed to make me feel like shit than to actually find out my alignment makes way too much sense for him as scum.
I went ahead and cancelled mine for you.Tammy wrote:we are preinned for the same game and I need to know if I should out.
To be fair, there were two reasons but w/e the second needs not be stated.
Ok, this is and never was the goal. My goal has never been MAKE TAMMY FEEL LIKE SHIT.Tammy wrote:I will not play games with people who have personal issues with me that just try to make me feel like shit.
I had the intention of sorting you out earlier when I felt your tone was off and said something about it.
This has never been a personal thing.
Just because he doesn't see eye to eye with you doesn't make him scum?In post 2054, Tammy wrote:As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.
I mean I thought he was scum and then he engaged with me that one night and I knew despite him being busy he was town.
He's in my final three for a reason.
This feels overly simplistic.In post 2063, McMenno wrote:no that's not it, the point is town creature is *here are some thoughts* pretty frequently and whenever he feels likewith scum creature people are like "hey where's creature" and creature's like "I'm here *here are some thoughts*"
There's no way his entire scumplay is BEETLEJUICE.
Yeah you're town.In post 2070, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You're 100% right that I'm abandoning you in this game and I'm sorry for that. This game is a miserable, annoying slog and I have been playing with replacing out because it is a miserable, annoying slog.In post 2054, Tammy wrote:As much as it depresses me nacho is probably scum for just whistling by all that too.
Ruin has come to our laundromat.
I'm here. I don't think I'll be leaving except by death.In post 2073, Nachomamma8 wrote:if we can't break through it here then I'm probably getting out of here and talking about it when I have distance from it all.
See this just sounds like bull to me.In post 2073, Nachomamma8 wrote:telling me that I was off
If I'm like Nacho you're scum.
And you're like, 'Andy you're off'. I'd be like what no. That's got to be the easiest way to deflect.
I mean if you were like ANDY MY (insert family member here) JUST DIED AND I AM SO OFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA I'd be like YEAH ACTUALLY I DO HAVE AN IDEA.
But if you just go 'no you're off' then that's nothing to me.
I'm here.In post 2077, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Based on the way that I play, this isn't happening; people like you don't "sneak by", you either destroy me completely or you get destroyed. I'm sure if we're both town here then a moment of mutual meltdown is sure to occur in the future because that's how things have a way of happening, but I don't have it in me to go through this for another day. Rebuilding whatever is broken between all of us is sure to take time and understanding and quelling of feelings for a moment to listen but if it can't happen then I'm not playing.In post 1358, Andrius wrote:I get busy.
Don't want this falling by the wayside with some convenient both of you are super busy oh darn that scumandrius snuck by us again.
I'm willing if you are. Grab a hammer.
Because Tammy was the one I was scumreading off her tone?In post 2089, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Telling Tammy that she's putting Moist into her words and that somehow is making the game less fun and impossible to play is ridiculous. It's not playing the game, it's attacking Tammy. If he wasn't attacking Tammy specifically, why didn't he call out any of the 10 other people who put Moist into their words? Why did he single out Tammy?In post 780, Andrius wrote:Which is, frankly, a stupid thing to put into role pms but whatever it doesn't add anything to the game and basically encourages spam/shit/empty posting as EP realized because he TOLD US NOT TO SPAM POST THE WORDS.
Is it this hard to understand?
Like if you take Tammy's posting and replace her name with [GERRYOAT, FB, Nos] it'd be entirely different.
WHO says it is key.
I really feel like there's a disconnect here but I'm ok dropping this and moving on because this is our ONLY source of contention for a number of people.
Everyone who posted last night was town!In post 2103, Desperado wrote:you all literally produced 12 pages of nothing
This tell is 100% correct based on a sample size of 1.
I have just noticed you're not saying "our".In post 2113, Nachomamma8 wrote:poisoned from your friend Andrius
Ok then.
This is a sign we're getting nowhere, because you keep saying RAGE and I keep going I was never raging.Tammy wrote: I just reread the wall I wrote and it most definitely was NOT filled with hate.
Lots of frustration and whatever but no rage.
Desperados posting in the early 80's just rings of rabble-rouser.
You aren't me and you have no idea what I was thinking when I wrote these posts?In post 2128, Nachomamma8 wrote:
You aren't her and you have no idea what she was thinking when she wrote those posts. Stop.In post 2126, SlySly wrote:The hate is clear. If you can't see it, you're her scum buddy. I don't need to quote it, there's been enough damage done already.
Or is it just Tammy.
Explain. How/Why?In post 2153, Firebringer wrote:
Nachomamma8 is really scum here.In post 2149, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Tammy is hurt because she and Andrius are friends. She's hurt because they had a fantastic connection before you came into the picture, she's hurt because she cares about his opinion and she believes that he's singling him out for god knows what reason. I don't think that's a completely unreasonable place for her to be coming from. I don't think that Andrius means any ill will by him because I still have faith in him as a person, but I do think that him attacking her for the Moist thing was weird because plenty of others were doing it and because Andrius isn't the person who complains about people having fun but that's what he was doing.In post 2144, SlySly wrote:Do you read what I've said about Drealmz as being friendly? I've tried to give Drealmz a pass for several games now. I'm calling it like I see it now, because I finally reached a boiling point with him. I see Tammy's words towards Andrius the exact same way. I don't know their history, but I do know she hasn't been in the recent games I've played with Andrius for it to build up like I have been with Drealmz.
Alright, I'll party with you.In post 2169, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:HOLY
MOLY
Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.
Vote: Creature
If this doesn't happen my offer still stands.
Ok self-sort is a bad term.In post 2194, Nachomamma8 wrote:I don't think that Miller slots self-sort.
I mean that it will resolve itself - a Vig or SK will shoot them for points and miller will die.
zzz
UT was Scum in DEFCON who was a crowd-pleaser and, after surviving a D1 wagon on himself, was the sole survivor and won the game for MOTHER RUSSIA.In post 2196, SlySly wrote:
More defcon. Andrius, any thoughts on this?In post 2169, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Every Creature post is exactly like what mcmenno is describing and it's exactly what I've read about his scum game this is precisely like in defcon where Reck said UT was scum but people didn't trust him.
McMenno's a TR for me.
SAD was town in that game. FB was scum. Menno was town.
PINE MADE THE CALL TO ARMS
STRAHDIANS MUST ANSWER
This argument is bullshit. No mod would confirm the existence of another role in your role pm unless they're masons or something.In post 2234, Desperado wrote:He claims that he unlocks two doors.
I'm the stairs.
Presumably the stairs would be located in between those two doors.
My role PM does not say anything about doors.
I think it's bullshit.
Eh.In post 2242, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Two negative utility roles that are both town and both are "you impede getting the laundry done" is something that irks me out a bit and if there's scum in the pair, then it's Pine.In post 1360, Andrius wrote:You're also Hated though.
So thus enjoy some of the many 'benefits' of Miller-itude.
I don't know if mod-side speculation will help but I don't see the value in Millers/Hated.
Wrong context.In post 2244, Nachomamma8 wrote:
Why wouldn't Frogger be interested in you v Tammy?In post 1360, Andrius wrote:Why the interest?
He was going after one word of mine.
This was part of a trend.
Part of the reason he's in third tier town.
Do we really need to start a discussion on this?In post 2252, Nachomamma8 wrote:
The moist thing was fun. It was playful.In post 1360, Andrius wrote:In general, this is my concern with the mechanic.
Doesn't add value to the game besides for more dreck which we surely don't need.
But apparently people are TOUCHY about this so whatever it doesn't really matter.
You're right that it doesn't add obvious value, but it can create the companionship feeling and it makes the game lighter, which in my opinion is the same value that your STRAHD playfulness adds. I don't think that people were being touchy about it, I think that it was silly and a little weird that you cracked down on the fun on that point of time to spread the narrative that Tammy was indulging in it to pad her posts; it was light, it was fun, I don't understand how it dragged the game down.
Now that it is over you should ALSO know that ScumAndrius was set on buddying you and being close.In post 2255, Tammy wrote:Now that that game is over, I can reference exactly what I was referring to with Andrius over correcting here. In thing he buddies me too quickly too much and it set off alarm bells. I neighborized him anyway in the hopes my alarm was wrong because I wanted a neighborhood with him. By day two my growing problems with him and his lack of real scum hunting emerged and when I told him in the neighborhood that I suspected him he responded with a wall that basically told me I wasn't playing well enough - I didn't have solid scum reads early day one, even though the people I was talking about as my biggest scum reads toogeloo and goat had already flipped scum.
There are things that feel similar here and it feels like he threw suspicion at me early to overcorrect for what set off alarms in the previous game. Then deflecting to make my concerns trivial with a really bad argument feels too similar. He may not be buddying me here, but he is others.
There was NO WAY I would scumread you without tons of time and effort so the best strategy was to simply townread you and be close.
I also discouraged Ranmaru from scumreading you because no one would take it seriously and it would be simply a thing that was done to appear contrarian. It was too forced.
You would benefit, I think, from reading the THING PT.
Any world where I scumread Tammy is weird.In post 2263, Nachomamma8 wrote:
And it's hard for me to get a good read on you because I'm not used to your care level being this low. I am assuming that most of this is because of what's currently happening with Tammy and I would like to move past it so I can have my old, smiling Andrius back; I don't think I would be completely out of line to say that maybe your initial reactions to things were a little weird - you felt you were insulted and that crushed you and maybe that culminated in the mood you were in shortly after. I don't really know what more to say to you that is not game related but I know that we can all work past this and I just hope you're willing to give us the time to do it.In post 1361, Andrius wrote:I don't think I'd be surprised if any of my townreads turned out to be scum.
I don't actually think any of them are like SURPRISE-level material.
Maybe that's just because my care level is so low.
Its never happened before.
To be fair, I think SAD said it first.In post 2265, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I don't really disagree with your read on Zack here.In post 1389, Andrius wrote:Then convince me he's not.
Because you're basically just going THIS IS A BAD IDEA without doing much.
Your involvement in the game is basically limited to trying to shut down a few select wagons that are town and little actual scumhunting.
And you interact with a select few people.
And I said I'm ok with this if its nothing more than a policy lynch.
Which it isn't.
zzz
You know that's a bullshit role.In post 2257, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I mean earlier I had plans to claim that I was the pile of clothes, a 3rd party who had to be the moistest thing of all and would die unless I was ranked #1 in the moist challenge and use that to get ahead so I can see if you were attacking me for that degree of shenanigans but Tammy's moist shenanigans didn't seem at all out of line.In post 2252, Nachomamma8 wrote:
The moist thing was fun. It was playful.In post 1360, Andrius wrote:In general, this is my concern with the mechanic.
Doesn't add value to the game besides for more dreck which we surely don't need.
But apparently people are TOUCHY about this so whatever it doesn't really matter.
You're right that it doesn't add obvious value, but it can create the companionship feeling and it makes the game lighter, which in my opinion is the same value that your STRAHD playfulness adds. I don't think that people were being touchy about it, I think that it was silly and a little weird that you cracked down on the fun on that point of time to spread the narrative that Tammy was indulging in it to pad her posts; it was light, it was fun, I don't understand how it dragged the game down.
I know that's a bullshit role.
I'd definitely tell you it was a bullshit role and expect you to drop it within a page or two.
I know this is a SPYREX-reviewed game and he's done SURVIVORs before but there's no way this flies.
All that role does is encourage SPAM over playing the game.
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Just ask the Friendly Serial Killer.In post 2295, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:dreamz I will vig you with my water fountain splash if you don't make your posts more bearable to read."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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Well duh.In post 2312, Creature wrote:Ugh, gerryoat makes me think he's trying to buy time.
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I may not be reading this 100% because I'm not entirely sure what you're asking.In post 2309, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I was referring to the distinction in telling me that I was wrong as opposed to taking it as an attack on you as a person.In post 2287, Andrius wrote:See this just sounds like bull to me.
If I'm like Nacho you're scum.
And you're like, 'Andy you're off'. I'd be like what no. That's got to be the easiest way to deflect.
I mean if you were like ANDY MY (insert family member here) JUST DIED AND I AM SO OFF YOU HAVE NO IDEA I'd be like YEAH ACTUALLY I DO HAVE AN IDEA.
But if you just go 'no you're off' then that's nothing to me.
But I think my issue with it lies in the there's no way out of that ravine - all you're doing is leading to a 'I think you're wrong' 'No I'm not' but without BECAUSE's or HOW/WHYs this cannot get anywhere."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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I've got nothing for this.
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I disagree because Masons and Brothers and Friendly Neighbors all exist.
Seeking Masons make a lot of sense for A PAIR OF SOCKS or something. This is the type of thing that SpyreX would be giddy over. Masons are strong but if the need to seek each other that helps. Maybe throw in a traitor and really ham up the seeking vibes in-thread?"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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It was a tone thing.In post 2313, Nachomamma8 wrote:
It's hard to understand because why is Tammy being playful scummy?In post 2287, Andrius wrote:Because Tammy was the one I was scumreading off her tone?
Is it this hard to understand?
Like if you take Tammy's posting and replace her name with [GERRYOAT, FB, Nos] it'd be entirely different.
WHO says it is key.
I really feel like there's a disconnect here but I'm ok dropping this and moving on because this is our ONLY source of contention for a number of people.
Why wouldn't anyone participate in the moist game scummy unless they shared your viewpoint (or why did you expect her to share it?)
Again, I read it and basically went 'this might be scum tammy trying to blend in with the early game vibes'. The mod-provided shenanigans allow for yet another venue for people to commiserate over, sure, but its also exactly where I would expect scum to be. I see that and go 'scum are definitely going to hide in it there's no way they all sit out'. Like I would literally be ok lynching/killing every person competing for moist because there's got to be scum in there. NOT ALL, NOT MOST, NOT MANY, but at least one. Because its such a great place to hide in. Its mod-sanctioned so everyone knows about it.
No more words on that.
I think people are hung up on the WHY TAMMY THOUGH and not literally anyone else. This isn't a calculated thing.
I thought your tone was weird so I said something. FB and Maria playing games is par for the course. I don't know Fro99er but he reminds me of UT so there's automatically a threshold for bullshit involved.
There's also the key difference where I was SCUM in THE THING and thus didn't actually have to discern anyone's alignment. I just townread people for convenience's sake, bussed every scumbuddy but Magna, and townread the people who were too convenient not to TR (Tammy) or where there was a clear tactical advantage to do so (SpyreX, UT)."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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Most mods wouldn't do something like this because its not normal.In post 2332, Tammy wrote:
They exist.In post 2328, Andrius wrote:I disagree because Masons and Brothers and Friendly Neighbors all exist.
Seeking Masons make a lot of sense for A PAIR OF SOCKS or something. This is the type of thing that SpyreX would be giddy over. Masons are strong but if the need to seek each other that helps. Maybe throw in a traitor and really ham up the seeking vibes in-thread?
I do not believe he has that role.
EP is not most mods.
SpyreX is the gold standard for design.
So I'm willing to believe something NOT NORMAL and FANCY might make it into this game.
We're allowed to disagree on this but I'm making a case for it in case I die here as the THIRD OPTION."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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You're totally allowed to believe its silly and disagree with me.In post 2349, Nachomamma8 wrote:
I was hung up on it because it's something I disagree with and something I think is exceedingly silly.In post 2342, Andrius wrote:Again, I read it and basically went 'this might be scum tammy trying to blend in with the early game vibes'. The mod-provided shenanigans allow for yet another venue for people to commiserate over, sure, but its also exactly where I would expect scum to be. I see that and go 'scum are definitely going to hide in it there's no way they all sit out'. Like I would literally be ok lynching/killing every person competing for moist because there's got to be scum in there. NOT ALL, NOT MOST, NOT MANY, but at least one. Because its such a great place to hide in. Its mod-sanctioned so everyone knows about it.
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*the angels sing hallelujah*In post 2353, Nachomamma8 wrote:
The expectation was that you would try to blend in as scum and you going through the motions with interactions + joining in the moist game was evidence of that.In post 2345, Tammy wrote:What nets expectations? Huh? That I don't have fun?"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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You stop this tomfoolery right now.In post 2350, drealmerz7 wrote:but I am going to blame slysly for now because it was getting better until he came in
Unless you think we're both scum in which case, sure, you distrust me.
In which case you'd be down with my lynch.
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UnvoteNo lolhammers on my watch.
Ok sure I can see how this would make sense.In post 2366, Nachomamma8 wrote:In fact, I think it's exactly what happened, regardless of his intentions.Nope.
I think his role claim thing with the complicated voting mechanic is fake.In post 2372, Nachomamma8 wrote:
?In post 2363, Andrius wrote:I am of the opinion that Sly's making this all up but people apparently believe that crap..
This seems like an odd assertion.
And am surprised so many people buy it.
Didn't we just assert, pages ago, that people who tee hee claim PR are immediately townread and unvoted without discussion?
I'm assuming Sly's poking fun at this.
Because now Creature's at L-1 and Sly isn't."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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The only thing I don't buy is the claim. I think someone who gets a double-vote after two days is incredibly weak.In post 2384, SlySly wrote:
Are you serious?In post 2363, Andrius wrote:I am of the opinion that Sly's making this all up but people apparently believe that crap..
Vote me.
You're still top three town.
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No matter what you come up with, no scumteam will ever be as good as the pretend Spy/UT/Andy scumteam.In post 2391, drealmerz7 wrote:gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam
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Better.In post 2397, Toogeloo wrote:
Replace SAD with Pine maybe...In post 2391, drealmerz7 wrote:gerry, slysly, SAD, andrius for scumteam
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Nacho's trying to solve this because he is close to both of us.In post 2398, Tammy wrote:In post 2376, Nachomamma8 wrote:
That's not what's happening.In post 2374, Tammy wrote:In post 2353, Nachomamma8 wrote:
The expectation was that you would try to blend in as scum and you going through the motions with interactions + joining in the moist game was evidence of that.In post 2345, Tammy wrote:What nets expectations? Huh? That I don't have fun?
Well thanks for coming in and adding to the smack down on Tammy. Appreciate it.
It certainly feels like it.
I had to ask him about his stance on me because I thought he was being a bit dodgy with it but w/e.
ScumNacho might try and do this, sure, but I imagine you can read him well in your own good time and I can as well so there's little benefit for ScumNacho to diffuse this with both of us among the living.
I'm even giving him the option to lynch me and he's not taking it.
Which is still on the table because all we're doing is outing more PRs and claims."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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I know.In post 2404, SlySly wrote:
If I was going to fake claim, it sure wouldn't be double voter.In post 2392, Andrius wrote:The only thing I don't buy is the claim. I think someone who gets a double-vote after two days is incredibly weak.
When I'm town, integrity means everything. As you know, I'll forego my own personal wincon to fight with the town.
I am sorry for doubting your claim."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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drealmerz, I'm not sure you understand.
Nacho and I have a long history of being able to read each other well until the almost-guaranteed late-game point where we start to doubt each other and then actually are both town.
Anywho.
If he thinks I'm scum he's going to secure my lynch and there's nothing I can do because that's how Nacho plays and we know we read each other well.
This isn't some cheeky scum I DARE YOU TO LYNCH ME."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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In post 2424, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:And poor Andrius is SK he's just trying his best.Who do you want me to kill tonight?"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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I really don't want to bus you D1 again.In post 2433, Toogeloo wrote:I love how I constantly show up in people's scum reads, and yet in 98 pages I haven't been voted once. I'm not that scary of a prospect, am I?"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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SAD, clearly "scum" includes a Friendly Serial Killer you believe exists.In post 2563, Pine wrote:This is all pretty irrelevant. "He didn't see the cheap-ass loophole I saw" is an incredibly bad attack."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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In post 2444, Errantparabola wrote:Deadline in 3 days, 19 hours, 32 minutes"This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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I mean if it were simply a matter of WILL, I'd be all over it.
But it also requires WORK and PLANNING. But I'll look into it."This is the true face of a man who plays paladin."-
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