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Cool. There's a decent consensus for massclaim. We should only (at least at first) claim drafted cards; any further info we can decide on after that. Bottom to top order of unclaimed people:
TWIW
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Dunn
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Time is ticking - let's get going.
(Fishy, Mathblade, Spyrex, McMenno and Grey have already claimed).-
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Quick phone post, more later
Massclaim is happening. PR outing means fuck all in a game where we have three widely town read powerful players for the scum to shoot. The players arguing against it have given no reasons worth a damn, and aren't the people thinking about the setup.
Also, scum tracker tracked Dunn to Dave. Obvs.-
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If noone knew outside the clubs hood knew dave was in it (and I don'tthinkthey did?), one of them is probably scum targetting a card cop.
We are massclaiming because:In post 5257, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Why are we mass claiming? Are we in lynch or lose or close to it? Gerry made an interesting point earlier and I think it might be valid. He thinks scum are running this game and to me it's starting to feel that way. All mass claiming does is just give more information to scum that they don't need to know.
- Scum already know a lot of protown players with good cards, so it doesn't help them kill much
- There are specific cards that are likely scum, so it helps us lynch quite a lot
We've started now, and we're going to finish. We don't have much time. It really is time for you to claim or die.
The concern that scum is leading this is misplaced. All the people who are thinking hard about the setup agree on this one. Many of them are pretty obviously town.
I'm comfortable with a McMenno lynch today, and more so after the kill, but I think massclaim has a decent chance of giving us something better.In post 5248, drealmerz7 wrote:@ maxous, vecna, and fishy (and grey too but grey is voting atm and I understand it)
you were comfortable voting mcmenno yesterday
is there a difference/reason today why you're not voting him today? can you share it if so?
are we waiting for claim stuff and I'm supposed to not be pushing for a lynch? because I just want to lynch...
Massclaim statusIn post 5151, McMenno wrote: 42 - Mathblade - Jc, 2s, 8s
77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - 2h, 3c
13 - Maxous
17 - drealmerz7
2 - Vecna
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
2 - SpyreX - 2c, 8c, 9c
12 - McMenno -3c, 3d (missed 7h)
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Answering an earlier question: I'm not up for a Dunn lynch. He's played a pretty damn pro town game (giga save, 2 revive), and I see nothing scummy about him in thread.
I got a slight townping off Gerry around the scumslip yesterday. Would have been quite bold scum to press it like he did, and at least in the QT he was the first to press. Nothing big, though.-
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VOTE: Lil Uzi Vert
It's LUV's turn in massclaim, and he is posting elsewhere but not here. Likely scum with a hard claim. Scum delaying is good for them here, with time being short.
Here's where I am on people I can imagine getting lynched or want lynched:
-Dunnis pretty damn protown from his actions. He's pretty protown in the thread. I still think his hood postcouldbe a scumslip, but the phrasing is just Dunn. Not keen.
-Mathbladehas reasonably scummy cards (they put town off lynching him lots of the time). He's super-duper wrong about just about everything in the game, but in a way that gives me a gut town feel. I dunno, I just feel scum would know too much to be as wrong as Mathblade is.
-gerryoatI also have a gut town feel on. This comes from two places: his play after Dunn's slip yesterday, where he was the first to pick a fight with a reasonably influential player, and his "scum are leading this" line today. I can imagine where that concern comes from, though I think it's very wrong, and I don't think it's a thing scum would readily dream up.
-Lil Uzi VertI think is scum.
-TWIEI really have no opinion of. Possibly I should sort that out.
-McMennois a very decent shout for scum.
-Kisoncould be scum, but I have a mild townread from his play on Maria and general scumhunting.
Pending claims, I would really like our three kills before the scum next kill to come from [LUV,TWIE,McMenno,Mathblade,gerry], with that rough order of preference. We should absolutely direct Spyrex's kill.-
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@MB: My thoughts on giga are that scum would be crazy to take (or falsely claim) a card that gives them zero power except to be trusted as town for a day or two until hearts come up and they die. You can cry WIFOM all you like, buteven withthe trust giga is getting in this game, having that card would be a mistake.
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Really? You think that Max slipped and talked in this threadIn post 5302, MathBlade wrote:
Instead there is stuff here that can easily be cross talk meant for another thread.In post 167, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
two people is hardly a wagonIn post 165, Maxous wrote:why are we wagoning him?and giga replied? That's just... so unlikely.
The other problem (other than giga being obvtown) is that we aren't getting giga confirmed for at least 2 days, even if we put all our efforts into it. It's just not a good enough reason to delay indefinitely.In post 5297, MathBlade wrote:If Giga is confirmed town as most people are acting as Giga is then scum have to waste an NK on him giving PRs more time to act.
By delaying that until we have the firm if Giga is town then we know that Giga and Dunn have been pushing it from a good place and we have one of our PRs live longer.
In contrast Giga and Dunn have been the big ones with the push for mass claim. If Giga is scum this literally hands them their kills and who they need to fool. For example I don't need to be NK'd because of my spades cards I can be policy lynched or if I get to end game and spades gets up and it takes 0 votes to lynch me I am dead.
It is a matter of motivation and proper claiming so we don't give scum too.
Pedit Grey and Maxous.
Even if giga and dunnarescum, there are more townread people with known good cards - me, for example. We're not helping scum with their kills that much.
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Forgot when talking about lynching: dave kill seems very likely from the clubs hood.
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Pedit: Interesting! Uzi is the other beta vig. Note that only Uzi currently has a kill tonight (lower in the draft). My first thought is lynch him, and let spyrex shoot.-
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Massclaim status - Vecna's up
42 - Mathblade - Jc, 2s, 8s
77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - 2h, 3c
13 - Maxous
17 - drealmerz7
2 - Vecna
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
2 - SpyreX - 2c, 8c, 9c
12 - McMenno -3c, 3d (missed 7h)
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Qh, 9s, 7c
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Dunn did indicate some suspicion of gerry in the hood.In post 5326, Dunnstral wrote:
Fishy look at diamond neighborhood and tell us this is untrueIn post 5324, gerryoat wrote:
Notice how he didn't start fosing me until after he slipped lolIn post 5258, Dunnstral wrote:iso gerry
there isn't a reason to not lynch him anymore. Let's lynch mathblade and gerry
@TWIE: what's so townish about Vifam day 1?-
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rb could well have been killed for good scumreads. I had his scumpool as {Maria, Vedith, Titus, jackal}. If Vedith was scum, that plus rb's influence would be plenty for a kill.In post 5371, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
@fishyIn post 4980, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Lil Uzi Vert (6) - SpyreX, Fishythefish, Kison,milkshake,Titus, kraska77
especially knowing you're town does the rb kill really make sense with
- A: this wagon composition
B: rb's hard defense of uzi
where am i going wrong with this train of thought?
TWIE, incidentally, has two fairly interesting points going for him:
- He's in the clubs hood, where there is surely a murderer.
- As someone (you?) said, he's claimed the most likely cover card for the scumtastic Ace of Clubs.-
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If McMenno flips town, can you please promise to shoot TWIE? The clubs neighbourhood almost certainly has a scumbag (that's how they knew to kill dave), and I'll bet it's one of those two.In post 5329, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Not a fan of that. I want to shoot either Kison or TWIE.-
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Massclaim status - it's dreamer time
42 - Mathblade - Jc, 2s, 8s
77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - 2h, 3c
13 - Maxous
17 - drealmerz7
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
2 - SpyreX - 2s, 8s, 9s
12 - McMenno -3c, 3d (missed 7h)
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Massclaim status - Kison to play
42 - Mathblade - Jc, 2s, 8s
77 - -Grey- - Kd, 8h, 10h
5 - gerryoat
5 - Fishythefish 4c, Js (gone), 2c (gone)
11 - Kison
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - 2h, 3c, 8c
13 - Maxous - Ah, 3h, 5h
17 - drealmerz7 - 9h, 3h
2 - Vecna - Ad, 6d
2 - Dunnstral - 2d, 4s, 7h
2 - SpyreX - 2s, 8s, 9s
12 - McMenno -3c, 3d (missed 7h)
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Qh, 9s, 7c
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Suggested modification:In post 5402, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:ok so basically here's the plan:
today we lynch mcmenno and mathblade
Both flip town: Uzi holds fire (stay in mylo to prevent Spyrex QH)
McMenno and Math both flip scum: Uzi picks his target
Only McMenno flips town: Shoot in {TWIE, gerry}
Only Mathblade flips town: Uzi picks his target
I think works out? not really sure where to go if only MB flips town.
is gerry/mcmenno possible in your opinion, fishy and dunn? based on in-thread stuff i don't think so but if the hood says something else?
grey we don't get flips until EoD
I'm saying McMenno > Mathblade >Gerry
- If both flip town, Uzi shoots TWIE. I shuffle the deck, and everyone does a "no spades" dance.
gerry/mcmenno is very unlikely IMO. I don't see them pushing the scumslip so hard as both scum.-
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@gerry: why does there have to be one scum in McMenno and Dunn?In post 5619, gerryoat wrote:VOTE: Dunn
FUCKING LYNCH THIS. MY GOD. THERE HAS TO BE ONE SCUM IN MCMENNO AND DUNN AND MCMENNO WAS OBVIOUS TOWN AT THE END. LYNCH THIS-
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Am I missing anything else interesting outside of the slip that makes any of Dunn, giga, or Grey likely scum? I may be forgetting something, but my impression of the case is:
1) Dunn is scum due to the slip.
2) Giga is scum because Dunn claimed to protect them, and probably wouldn't protect town.
3) Grey is scum for shooting Titus after Dunn slipped it.
Anything you'd add to that?
PEDIT: maybe, if they were off the ball. Why?-
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