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Post #4220 (isolation #200) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:11 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4208, McMenno wrote:it's not like you weren't heavily hinting at it, gigabyte "oh I've got a scumread on mcmenno but CAN'T EXPLAIN IT YET" Troubadour also I thought you were going to die so
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Post #4232 (isolation #202) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:15 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
i think it should be an unwritten rule that if your replacee submits a night action and you don't read the entire game for yourself you don't change it
Fishythefish wrote:gerry, Mcmenno: if you don't immediately give me a reason not to, I'm blowing this thing wide open.
???????
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Post #4286 (isolation #213) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:07 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4284, Maxous wrote:I'm further inclined not to touch the wagon after dreal's blatant bandwagon vote which he is continuously getting away with.
he's getting away with it because he's my mason buddy
we talked about voting mcscummy in our pt
obviously <:/
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Post #4294 (isolation #216) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 7:28 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
mcmenno is the scum here most likely but that's just in my imo opinion
dunn is a bad lynch anyway because if we're wrong about him being scum while lynching him, and gerry is town, then both 2 of diamonds are exposed to scum (this is following the assumption the unknown person with the 2 of diamonds is town, which I think is likely because a scum 2-of-diamonds can fakeclaim a different diamond neighborhood card with a very low chance of impunity and thus have let me suicide)
which is why if you want a dunn lynch (or gerry lynch) to be IC-approved you need a cop guilty with it
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Post #4296 (isolation #217) » Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:35 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 3878, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:IF YOU RECEIVED FRUIT AT ANY POINT, please claim when!! Knowledge of what fruit vendors are in play will help me figure out what diamond cards are in the deck and better plan out night actions once the next 2 inventories necessary are completed.
^ no one got back to me on this btw
i think uzi said something but i don't remember if he said when specifically he received it, just that he did. but i would also like to know the when
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Post #4315 (isolation #218) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:22 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4310, Maxous wrote:Jumping all over a "scum slip" is a towny thing to do.
no
absolutely not
Jumping on "scumslips" is an incredibly scummy thing to do unless there is VERY (and I mean VERY) hard evidence that it's not an awkward phrasing of language (and thus an actual, for real, slip).
The reason why being that jumping onto something that seems "objectively true" (i.e., accidentally revealing oneself as scum) allows scum to absolve themselves from actually developing fake reads from gameplay, tone, gut, etc., and can instead latch onto something that can easily be proven and isn't "wrong". Then, when Dunn (most likely) flips town, the onus is suddenly on him instead of Mcmenno or Gerry (not that gerry should be lynched or vigged btw). Everything about encouraging it is intellectually lazy and pro-scum.
What about Dunn's role
in the thread
is scummy? Even more important,
WHAT ABOUT KRASKA WAS EVEN SCUMMY
? kraska was stupidly obvious town and that read absolutely carries onto -Grey- too, even if he made an extremely sub-optimal vig (which btw screams more of town than scum)
fuck man, in the words of kraska.......
MURDER
CHARLOUX
MCMENNO
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Post #4316 (isolation #219) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 8:23 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
mathblade do your reads always feel so disconnected from reality
like i want to townread you for it (especially when you accused me of "lynch shopping") but i have to wonder to what extent you would pull this off as scum
i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
like i want to townread you for it (especially when you accused me of "lynch shopping") but i have to wonder to what extent you would pull this off as scum
this came out a lot ruder than i wanted it to, sorry
but i absolutely cannot see scum motivation in kraska and even if i flubbed up really badly once i think i can read kraska well
In post 4318, Fishythefish wrote:Let's be clear. You don't have to think Grey is scum here to think Dunn slipped.
What do you think of the actual post itself? That is, posting "Let's kill Titus" in a neighbourhood, apropos of nothing? This is not some accidental typo we're jumping all over. It's a post with a clear explanation if Dunn is scum who fucked up his browser tabs, and none if he is town.
In the thread - Dunn's play since then has rung alarm bells for me. I want him to answer my last post.
It seems like something town!Dunn would say normally, yes. I was going to go through Open 649 (my game with Dunn) because I recall him saying something similar out of nowhere in that game.
I don't think his reaction is that particularly awful though.
@Mathblade, thanks for the misrep but I'm not townreading -Grey- just because Kraska picked the King of Diamonds
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Post #4346 (isolation #223) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:45 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4344, Fishythefish wrote:Vecna's post makes Grey an even better protect tonight; gives us two lynches tomorrow. And I can confirm that all diamonds are accounted for by those paying sufficient attention (which is a lot of attention).
Just want to confirm, you know that there's only 13 diamonds not in players' hands, not 14?
Because I still need to know about 1 more diamond. :/
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Post #4369 (isolation #226) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:19 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4367, Vecna wrote:Someone remind me why the vifam replacement isnt a good lynch for today? Id love for all these empty slots to get murdered, but that one doeant appear to get any mention.
hm
for me, it's that i didn't really see why scum-who-claims-to-have-randomly-picked-their-cards-but-actually-didn't takes the 8 of spades, it's not that scummy of a card
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Post #4381 (isolation #229) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:28 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
you guys don't know the work my mason buddy has been putting in into restraining me from shitposting in this thread
obviously
Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4375, gerryoat wrote:You should know Dunn tried to make you look scum for that in the Diamond neighborhood.
I said it was scummy to have the card spy and not be in any neighborhoods. Which I know he isn't in normal ones, but he seems to have been randomly targetted with a neighborizer and outted his results in there?
Also, you're the one who said the person who gave you fruit was scummy, I started talking about the card spy and how vecna had it and you flipped and said "oh well if vecna gave me fruit he's not scummy because he sr me"
lmfao
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In post 4371, Vecna wrote:Consider it my way of letting you know i felt your playstyle was expendable
Luckily you outed a Sr on me beforehand or I'd tunnel you into the ground. You should know Dunn tried to make you look scum for that in the Diamond neighborhood.
Meh Dunn shouldve picked up on the fact i knew he had the 2 of clubs and realized theres a reason he wasnt the target
wait dunn has the 2 of clubs? how is he in three hoods then??
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we absolutely are NOT shuffling the deck, we need a heart in trumps so i can confirm myself as town and get rid of my 2 of hearts, and we can utilize the card revives and double lynch
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Post #4419 (isolation #241) » Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:23 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
also mathblade i skimmed through shadowrun (it's a long game and i ain't got the time to read it :/) and defcon and mcmenno feels totally different to me here than he does in those two games
it's about how genuine his jokey-claiming scum shtick feels. which is suffice to say not genuine at all
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Post #4434 (isolation #242) » Fri Dec 30, 2016 9:17 am
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4425, Fishythefish wrote:I thought magna's posting was OK, but nothing special. That slot has done basically nothing to generate a read, and so isn't a bad lynch. But I prefer Uzi. What do you think of Uzi?
uzi has a roller-coaster read from me
like logically i understand your points against him and want to agree - but his last few posts from today read really genuinely and I've been in his position as town before and felt similar so?? i kind of get his side
honestly he's my choice for a cop inspection because people still really want to lynch him and yet there's still strong opposition to his lynch
McMenno > AA9 > Uzi is my order of preference tbh
i see the AA9 wagon is larger now but i'd like to wait for AA9 to at least... post something?
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scum!Kraska bussing Maria most likely doesn't play out the way it did... especially if you believe Dunn saying "let's kill Titus" is a scumslip that incriminates her/-Grey-
Titus strongly held Kraska and Maria as strong townreads (in addition to myself, transcend, and drealmerz) and was trying to get them to work together. Kraska going so strongly against Titus's will doesn't really make sense for someone who is basically the ideal townbeard (2 scum is basically half the team, Titus was also very outspoken and widely townread), so there has to be
some
anticipated gain from bussing Maria so hard. Maria was kind of expendable so it's believable that the person pushing hardest for the lynch is a partner, but killing Titus pretty much takes away from any benefit that could come out of it because she would be so easy to discredit afterwards. I would think that scum!-Grey-, in Kraska's shot, keeps the McMenno shot for a believable and non-controversial vig target and then throws shade at Titus.
this just makes me think that gerry is the misguided town who thinks that -grey- and dunn have to be scum together because of a ""slip"", while McMenno is scum sheeping a flawed case. i guess fishy scumreading dunn independent of this makes sense but obviously he's not a lynch for today
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Post #4459 (isolation #247) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 6:08 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4457, Dunnstral wrote:uh guys? Nobody really engaged with me saying aa9 is in two neighborhoods: if you think she's scum regardless give reasons
That being said, AA9 come do something
i mean
i was waiting on grey to say something. he kinda left me hanging
not sure what to make of it tbh
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In post 4356, Dunnstral wrote:I don't want to lynch angel because I know she's in 2 neighborhoods and I don't know if it's likely scum would be in those, though MOI picked it so I guess it's possible. We have an active hood right now and she hasn't posted anything in it.
Bringing this back up because I want to see if anyone else notices what I did.
If not, I'm prob paranoid.
is there a reason you don't want to explain unless someone points it out bc i hate when i miss things
@Math, i dont think grey was calling you a girl, like how sometimes just say "girl please" or "oh boy" but i feel you tbh
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Post #4491 (isolation #251) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:17 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
In post 4482, -Grey- wrote:Pay attention to that wording. Does that sound like town phrasing?
I don't see why not...?
MOI chose to be in the hearts neighborhood and the spades neighborhood. I can see why Dunn would think that scum are unlikely to pick those cards - hearts has doctors, the card revives, and royalty vigs. The first two I definitely think are town picks (especially now that we know that revives are mostly public), and I'd argue the vigs are town picks too because once scum claims to have a vig shot, they have to make sure they don't make "scummy" kills they can't justify. Spades has PGO (something town!MoI definitely wants), Jailkeeper (which functions as a protective most of the time in this set-up since there aren't any doctors active during that trump), and Card Cop (maybe this is scummy?? i think town would want a rolecop too though).
So, basically the way I'm reading that is Dunn thinks the MoI's picks were towny (which I'm inclined to agree with), but since it's MoI he's likely not going to want to pick extremely scummy cards since he's going to be targetted by cardcops and be a person of interest at some point in the game, especially if he lives for a while and people get paranoid. So even scum!MoI is likely to pick the same cards.
there's also the point that I think scum!MoI would make good use of neighborhoods
In post 4482, -Grey- wrote:Does that make any sense at all? Does town picking two neighborhoods justify on its own scum picking two neighborhoods?
MoI is AA9 - he's saying that we should take into account that since MoI picked those cards, it would be cards that would be optimal for MoI's playstyle (example, MoI's unlikely to pick something like the 2 of hearts, while me picking it makes a lot of sense). Changing MoI to "town" doesn't really make sense here because it's MoI/AA9's alignment in question.
believe it or not i made the template for that picture for 649
just that creature protecting KTS when i vigged him prevented me from saying "I've been dropping hints that I'm confirmed town"
although i decided not to push it and change it to "I want to lynch Vedith" because Chrimi died and annoying her by being conftown was like half the fun of posting it
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Post #4492 (isolation #252) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:46 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
actually you know what
what bothers me MOST about the -grey- push (and the dunn one to a lesser extent but they're being pushed together so)
is that it doesn't take into account Kraska's play whatsoever, which was stupidly obviously town. like i want someone who scumreads -Grey- to stop using the ""objectivity"" of a supposed slip as a crutch and actually develop a read on that slot because there's basically zero reason to scumread it besides the poor choice of vig if you want to be generous. Why is
kraska
scum? How did that play benefit a scum wincondition over a town one? Because I really cannot see the answer on my own.
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Post #4494 (isolation #253) » Sat Dec 31, 2016 9:58 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
also drealmerz's mcmenno ISO is refreshing to see tbh
i personally question how fruitful sitting on a wagon on someone who's likely to not say anything for a while is
I've been scumreading McMenno's slot all game and I really have to wonder why it never has been pushed until I had to start strongarming it now, especially considering how LHF McMenno typically is considered. I feel like people have said little about WHY he's town (Kison i think was the only person to explain) yet there's resistance to the lynch... Some discourse here would help but I don't really know how to jumpstart it — I'm usually shitty at articulating earlygame scumreads because I rely really heavily on tone, and McMenno's "claim scum" shtick just reads more like a caricature... From past experience and looking at finished games too he just reads really "off". But someone sounding "off" isn't a case .-.
point is... i still really haven't got a solid answer from the wagon's opposition on why they're opposed to it
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Post #4515 (isolation #254) » Sun Jan 01, 2017 3:07 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
Spoiler: 4498
In post 4498, MathBlade wrote:Kraska joked around with Maria R about drawing scum which is usually a scum tell.
i mean i already remember that i couldn't find examples of this because i read kraska's iso this game when i'm bored
but can you site sources of where you thought this happened
((also note that mcmenno has done this))
In post 4498, MathBlade wrote:Puts Maria as a scumread yet pushes Transcend repeatedly.
that was day 1 only? and even during most of day 1 she was townreading Maria
after rb's death implied town!Transcend and people lost interest in the case she pushed elsewhere but ok
In post 4498, MathBlade wrote:Kraska's ISO looks like OMG I called Maria scum a lot pwease give me townie points.
i'm not really seeing where the appeal for towncred is coming from? she scumread scum and pushed it, that nets towncred no matter what.
In post 4498, MathBlade wrote:Most of Kraska's early ISO is just large annoying spam. Not seeing the towniness.
i mean past RVS those "large annoying spam" posts where still game relevant, plus shitposting is good material for getting tonal reads imo
kraska reads as more engaged in the game even when she's shitposting which is usually a towntell for her. the way she reads the game and articulates herself reads more naturally then, say, it did in Cowboy Bebop.
plus i've never seen her push a bus on her partner for absolutely no tactical advantage (let alone some tactical advantage, i don't think she has ever actually gotten a bus through (i guess Skrub was close but he was never lynched))
In post 4500, MathBlade wrote:Doubtcasting the cop and when that didn't work killed him.
transcend wasn't killed because he was a cop inno, he was killed because he had a deck rigger
nor do i really see the scum motivation in doubtcasting a cop inno... rb didn't outright claim that transcend was his inno and there was always room for doubt (like Uzi pointing out it could have been gerry, although now we know that that's most likely from being in the diamonds hood). yeah you can posture it her just wanting a mislynch to go through but that's just as likely as it being her thinking her read is correct and thinking that rb may have picked a different target.
maybe if i'm feeling generous this thought would make more sense if transcend were killed while kraska was in the game but i still feel like reading this game in your perspective is trying to force a narrative that doesn't quite mesh with what happened.
also on the point of cards being NAI, I agree with you and the lynch history of this town shows that we do too... we lynched a claimed cop (Maria) and decided to spare a governor (you) despite the paranoia about governor being in scum's hands. but in the case of a card like the Jack of Diamonds, it's just such a bad pick as scum that the towncred you would get from it doesn't outweigh the negative utility of being a lover AND giving town double lynches. that and the two of hearts (IC) are the only card that should even be considered "town picks" imo
and fyi math, people aren't townreading dunn for having the 7 of hearts and using it in a pro-town way (at least I'm not), lynching him is just bad play for today because tomorrow, 7s will be in trumps and we want to use the card revives again. he could be scum, but scum!Dunn still cooperates with town in that scenario and there's really no reason to not leash him in that case. after all, if dunn actually IS scum for "slipping the nk" then you should absolutely vote -Grey- here instead (although people want the double lynch tomorrow so).
there are also no plans to revive any 7 card and i don't know where you heard that from?? the scum pt?? (seriously i can't imagine where else you would hear that). we're probably going to see what result vecna gets from card spying before planning out revives.
also
... just because maxous says we're doing one thing doesn't mean that's what town's going to do... personally i think tomorrow we should use the lights-out-lynching to get Spyrex (necessary policy lynch if he's town, and there have been points raised against him anyway) and vote normally for the normal lynch. but that's just, like, my opinion.
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regardless of dunn's alignment, we're leashing him to use his card revive tomorrow
if i'm not mistaken (on mobile), we can't revive card revive cards (the only 2 are the two 7 of hearts)
since dunn is the outted holder, we're going to direct his revive. if he doesn't listen we lynch him, if not we can lynch him like any other player (i.e., if enough people scumread him)
there's literally no scum motivation to deliberately not listen to a directed action, especially if you "slipped" in another pt
AND I WAS DOING SO WELL
THANKS SESSION BOX
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Post #4562 (isolation #260) » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:01 pm
Postby gigabyteTroubadour »
yeah it's confirmed that the two 7 of hearts are the only cards capable of reviving at the moment since we know for a fact that both queens of diamonds are in the deck
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