Just conveying the info I received on my inbox though. It doesn't change much to me. My one and only acceptable lynch of the day is grapes, then if the game doesn't end Shiro comes into consideration.
There's 6 of those red dudes right.
How do you figure there's 7 threats to earth?
You sheeped fuzzy saying that my being inactive pointed to me being scum (which is verifiably false).
You tried positing some weird thing about twie confirming skybird as scum, proven false.
You thought you were redirected based on a wording thing and that somehow meant I was scum, also proven false.
In post 10566, kraska77 wrote:at that time barely anyone had claimed. only mastin and titus did i think. i had no clue about anyone else
i can only use this during season finales
This is a lie, mod had confirmed I was a VT on season finale.
not exactly true..... the mod confirmed you as being vanilla not as vanilla town . There still a chance you might be scum.... maybe a vanilla goon.
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Post #11686 (isolation #605) » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:56 pm
Postby grapes »
In post 11679, Reasonably Rational wrote:Where I come from, when it's used with a negative connotation it's considered an anti LBGT slur. I believe that's how it's viewed on site when used with a negative connotation also. You can adjust or not adjust how you post as you see fit. I'm not the morality police and I don't report people for crap. I just say something and hope people can find it within themselves to restrain themselves and keep the rhetoric related to play and not people. I think if we were all just talking in an MD thread, most (if not all) of us would say we'd rather just be friendly with everyone we play with.
Yea I've been known to not have a filter. Especially so when I'm getting runup for no good reason.
I try and tone it down and then nobody listens to me. I get emotional and just type what I'm feeling and people read into what I'm saying the wrong way and I burn bridges.
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Post #11705 (isolation #609) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:27 am
Postby grapes »
In post 11692, MagnaofIllusion wrote:So seeing that information that leaves the lack of Nightkill yesterday to among the following –
1. Fuzzy is scum and can’t both Vig and Mafia kill the same Night.
2. the Mafia no-killed to frame Fuzzy.
3. the Mafia tried to take a shot at myself / Random despite the public announcement of our commute
4. the Mafia also killed farside.
5. Grapes is a Leftover who joined the Mafia and can’t make the faction kill and Shiro was bubbled overnight.
There is no real way that I can see to parse which of these is correct.
What does occams razor tell you?
In post 11692, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I do think that I’m unlikely to think 1 is the case regardless. It has been established that Fuzzy has an additional Kill with the uncontested Fire kill. His choice of kill last Night if he was scum was completely suboptimal for having a chance to win the game from a Dayplay standpoint. He chose to go against Mastin and myself’s wishes when he had to know that not killing either RR or Almost could very well result in a lynch on him today. And clearly even if he has a partner they can’t make the kill themselves (which leaves only Grapes / Shiro as possibilities in my mind). So him choosing to side with RR / Almost in killing Farside does make sense from a general scum standpoint but doesn’t make sense from a survivalist standpoint.
So add Almost and Fuzzy to my “Not Lynching Today” pool. What leaves grapes / RR / Shiro.
Not this. I can tell you that much.
Whoever fuzzy shot last night was gonna get someone pissed. The logic that he took the most contested shot makes him town is of the wifom variety and with all respect to fuzzy he's a really cool dude, you're expecting too much foresight or not enough at the same time.
Can we circle back to our conversation in the hood for a minute. Does a plain old vig make sense here? Was Xk's role not essentially -- ally with someone -- kill that person under certain conditions?
We've already seen extra kills. The cluster killed like 3 people at the same time. And then the yume kill.
If the gems are to be trusted and can win with town. That's strong. Scum need a way to balance against that.
That's where the stress meter comes in. But also the extra firepower.
Magna wrote:
In post 11532, Reasonably Rational wrote:I'm not the setup/mod genius you are, but I know enough to know that the amount of slots who could never be mislynched in this game is too high for there to be only one scum left and that's the only threat.
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the entire Crystal Gems faction could be endgamed even if were 5 players strong simply by scum killing all the Town players in this analysis. Why?
This is a good point. But you seem to now be in the 2 reds left club why?
In post 11693, Shiro wrote:He had no choice, farside was not mislynchable and I was bubbled. He had to kill farside because every other option was mislynchable. RR,Grapes,Almost.
None of them had mastin shouting that nobody should dare lynch them from the start of the game. You think he had any chance of ever lynching her over himself? Had he killed RR or grapes (Both lynch targets because of you and mastins shouting) He would be left closer in a pool of him getting death.
Thank god for shiro.
Like honestly guys if fuzzy's scum who else was he gonna kill? Why hasn't there been a scum kill in ages?
In post 11694, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I feel like voting for myself right now bc town is bound and determine to self implode........ but
NO
If I have to I will drag the town toward a town victory kicking and screaming if necessary
Shiro
Actually Mastin would be a better kill since she is conftown.......No way I would of not taken out MOI or Random if I had the chance if I was scum .......
Scum play makes no sense at all....... why not kill conf town the other night when they had a chance......either they did not make a kill or was RB
The point is it was the best kill you could make that wouldn't confirmscum yourself.
In post 11688, grapes wrote:Where exactly did the idea that I'm a leftover come from?
Well perhaps here …
In post 9107, Varsoon wrote:You are aligned with The Leftovers (Third Party). You are a Gem.
I can quote Varsoon too.
In post 1, Varsoon wrote:As a final note, all scum have guaranteed safe-claims and roles that fit the flavor of these fake-claims. Do not try to flavor-game this setup.
Scum all have had their flavor crafted before I crafted any of the town roles--I have built this setup around scum having effective, believable safe-claims.
Flavor-claims are not anywhere near the sort of town-clear that you might expect from other games.
Furthermore, I have given scum measures to punish players who are attempting to flavor-game the setup. Claim flavor at your own risk.
We are here to play mafia rendered under the flavor of Steven Universe--I will have no pity for anyone who takes the flavor as a means to attempt to outguess the moderator.
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Magna wrote:Xk specifically started the game as a 3rd party role. He chose to join the Crystal Gems after Day 2.
Speaking of which, wasn't that role heavily redacted with a faux win condition to boot. : p
In post 11702, Almost50 wrote:Xk almost gave me his role PM word for word. He had everything explained in details, and I relayed it as-is.
Okay.
In post 11703, Almost50 wrote:Because my mind, my gut and my PoE all tell me you're most likely red. I can't see it any other way.
Also, I have a huge problem with your defense. You seem too scared to die, albeit it being a good thing at this point to eliminate all suspicions. Myself and Fuzzy and even RR have all expressed will to go at this point. I think a Townie who believes there's only one scumster left should be alright eating rope or getting NK'd today/tonight just to give the confirmed players a clearer view.
It's not my defense that's the problem. I've proven why you're wrong and not reading the game and now all your left with is gut. Hear me out and work with me a little.
Why's fuzzy town to you?
Almost50 wrote:TFL: is Town by virtue of his shot on farside while knowing I was going to check grapes. A stand-alone Scum!TFL doesn't want a clear on grapes for sure, and he certainly didn't need me (the one he was supposed to shoot) to Town read him, nor did he need RR (the one at the receiving end of Mastina/MoI attacks) on his side. As a scum of 2 alive they still didn't want a clear on grapes, unless grapes is his partner. Then again, that meant grapes had to forfeit the NK in order to get that clear, which still isn't a good move, but I'll consider it as if that was the only way of getting rid of farside.
Ugh. Let's think about this a minute almost. We've been breathing down fuzzy's neck to produce a body.
He can't shoot mastin that's a scumclaim.
Can't shoot the gems.
His options are you, me, rr and farside. Scum have 3rd party paranoia as well maybe that factored into it. Farside was only really getting pushed by one person (rr) also in the lynchpool. Your opinion matters a lot less when you're in the lynchpool take it from me.
Who was talking about lynching grapes yesterday, at least as a top option? Name one person. If fuzzy's scum he had to make a move.
Almost wrote:RR: Drixx' analysis on SC doesn't come from a partner, but I'll only put this down as lead not evidence. A far stronger lead would be them knowing of Xk role details (and I know they did because I was the one filling them in). Still, the biggest point I can come up with now is the TWIE event which -allegedly- confirms grapes.
Show a little respect to RR I think if they're scum cakes had enough heat that their analysis of them is almost a play they had to make.
Furthermore that's one post.
Look at the entirety of my day 1. :/
I'm not even sure that it's RR anymore for what it's worth. Like if you want to talk about interactions that
look
like scum/scum interaction RR and I both have it off better than fuzzy with regards to cakes.
McMenno vs SirCakez, I prefer McMenno.
Mastin, why do you think McMenno is town? I am really interested.
When I have more time, I will iso Not Chara. They have posted an awful lot so it's hard for me to get a lock; I want to delve deep into their mind and play to get the understanding I want.
Is really really really blatantly terrible.
And then fuzzy's VERY FIRST PUSH:
In post 3883, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Why are we voting for an empty spot? Can Someone explain why we are voting an empty spot?????I kinda expected more from Mastin.
vote Ob1
I cant quite explain it ...... but there just something off about this hydra, The interaction with SC seems a bit off. Maybe I am reading into OB1 posts to much but my guts is telling me this is a good vote,
OB1 can you explain why me and Twin are scum. This seems random.
What's odd about obi's interactions with cakes outside the fact that they basically fit him for rope.
Other stuff. Fuzzy's blatant disregard for me trying to talk about who to vote for beachapalooza when we allied.
Specifically brought that up. HE CLAIMED TO NOT VOTE FOR BEACHAPOLOOZA EVEN THOUGH WE TALKED ABOUT VOTING TITUS IN OUR HOOD.
HE PUSHED SKYBIRD AS CONFIRMED TOWN OVER MASTIN AND YUME.
When did this dawn on me you ask?
Just a quick iso refresh on fuzzy after he *clears throat*
"FORGOT" HE DIDN'T HAVE SHOTS LEFT UM HELLO THAT ISN'T A THING YOU FUCKING FORGET.
He's scum who knows he can't afford to shoot in the pool anymore.
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Post #11706 (isolation #610) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:28 am
Postby grapes »
@random
- You were right I was wrong man. I'm sorry I suck at this game.
@RR
- Whatever the reason was you're townreading fuzzy isn't very good I tried to talk to you about this like 4 phases ago let's talk why's your vote still on me?
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Post #11714 (isolation #614) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:34 am
Postby grapes »
In post 11709, MagnaofIllusion wrote:And this response is why I have not qualms about lynching you. I saw directly the original role PM with full wincon and everything. Trying to pass off as “You can’t know” is bad.
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Post #11715 (isolation #615) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:36 am
Postby grapes »
In post 11709, MagnaofIllusion wrote:I limited shot Vig (max 3 shots over 8 Day / Night cycles) isn’t outrageous. And I don’t see it as strongly conflicting with XK since Xk’s was a 1 Shot Event.
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Post #11716 (isolation #616) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:38 am
Postby grapes »
In post 11709, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Um I don’t see the point here as the Cluster killing 2 players and the Yume unblockable kill were both scum events that are answers to how the scum can counter the games. Hell they took out 2 gems with those events.
Point being you don't want to lynch fuzzy literally because he took a bad shot and that he claimed on unclaimed kill in a game where scum dropped 3 people at once.
Like I said a while ago that's not a very great reason to write him off.
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Post #11727 (isolation #624) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:52 am
Postby grapes »
In post 11724, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Yup. If you bothered to read then your flip as Town makes me assured that we only have 1 scum remaining.
Frankly if you are Town at this point all this flailing around doesn't make much sense. You being confirmed Town narrows down the lynch pool to two players which means Town is overwhelmingly likely to win. Yet you act as if the sky is fucking falling.
Because it should be fucking obvious that there's not 2 scum left that isn't a world that makes sense you're reaching so hard to justify the paranoia.
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Post #11744 (isolation #634) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:46 am
Postby grapes »
Almost I can believe. RR I can believe. Random yea. You yea.
But no. You don't push based on flavor to buy into paranoia of 2 scum left and then totally betray obvious town, his progression makes no sense they need to delay your lynch or something.
In post 10622, farside22 wrote:We should talk quicking about alliances.
I would like to get into an alliance with shiro.
If not him, then TFL you can come with me. You know I"m not scum and I've been very good about not disbanding with anyone since day 1.
I think I should ally with TFl. He isn't reading the thread at all and I need to tell him something.
In post 10637, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@Shadow
I get it you think that Kras contradicted herself and is thus scum. My point is that she seems like she might just be playing sloppily. Maybe I am bias bc I have played sloppily as town and been scum read,
Why should I ally with you over someone I feel fairly trusting of.....
In post 10638, Shadow_step wrote:Cause I think you are town and your current reads are bad. I can help you with that.
There are some things I want to say which should be fairly obvious, but if I say them explicitly in the thread there is a chance that scum kill me.
In post 10639, Shadow_step wrote:Actually you know what, fuck it.
If scum decide to kill me before the masons/mastin. I'll consider it a victory.
.
Due to this death, stress has been lowered by 2, towards Slice of Life.
Eyeball's role functions as follows:[/smallcaps][/b]
Spoiler:
Eyeball, A Ruby In Need of Closure
I'm Ruby-1F4 Cut-4ND. I fought in the war for Earth.
You are aligned with the Scum Faction. You are a Gem.
At the very least, I thought Jasper might have some answers, but...
If you ally with any player, you will learn if they are a Human or a Gem.
So long as you are allied with a player, you are immune to all actions.
I never thought I'd get a chance like this.
If stress is at -2 or lower, your factional kill will have enhanced priority when overcoming protective effects--it can still be redirected or protected against by similarly 'enhanced priority' protection.
If only you and/or Jasper are the final living members of your faction, any factional kill you attempt will always have enhanced priority.
This kill will still fail on any non-legal target, such as any player that counts as 'out of game' for any reason.
What will the Diamonds say when they hear that a Ruby defeated Rose Quartz? They're gonna give me my own Pearl!
If no other 'Gem' characters exist outside of the scum faction, you gain control of a unique 'Pearl' account.
I will send the details of this account to you if this is ever the case.
This unique Pearl account will show up in the list of living players and on vote counts.
You can submit votes with this Pearl account--both you and this Pearl account can never be the only voting players on a lynch.
You can not post from this Pearl account otherwise.
This Pearl account may be voted for and affected by Climax actions.
This Pearl account can not form alliances.
Each Climax Phase, you may have this Pearl slot perform one of the following actions:
-This slot may protect any target player from being killed--any kills targeting the protected player will be redirected to the Pearl slot. This may not be used on consecutive Climax Phases.
-This slot may target any player to cause their submitted action to fail. This may not be used on consecutive Climax Phases.
EVENT:
Sworn to the Sword
EPISODE EVENT: Exposition Only--Activate this ability during the Climax Phase.
PRIORITY: 3--if used during Episode 1, it is priority 0.
REQUIREMENTS: You may only activate this ability at +2 or higher Stress. No requirements if used during Episode 1.
Flavor is tied to the Episodes, "Sworn to the Sword" and "Crack the Whip"
The following information will be publicly posted in the game thread:
If used during Episode 1, the following will happen:
You will form an alliance with the player with the flavor of 'Steven Universe'.
You will gain a double-vote for the rest of the game.
The following information is private and only known to you:
However, Steven will also become immune to any action submitted by you--only you will know this.
Steven will not be immune to your Pearl's actions or your -4 Stress Factional Kill.
If used during any other Episode, this Event has the following public effects instead;
Town may perform two lynches during this Episode's Exposition.
After one player is lynched, the player lynched will die, then the votecount and deadline will reset for a second lynch.
I got nothing else to lose.
You are aligned with
Threats to Earth
.
In order to win the game, your faction must equal or exceed the number of other surviving players left alive.
In order to win the game, at least one Threat to Earth player must be alive.
The current Stress is -1:
basically skybird had a double vote already and if they had killed all gems in the game who were not scum. Skybird would have got an extra vote. That's 3 votes and almost an auto win in lylo.
Add that to the fact they she could check if the person is a gem or not by allying with them.
It kind of explams why they killed Yume with an event. She was a gem.
So really what you need to ask yourself is why is scum skybird allying with scum shadow day 1, when there is zero information to gained and is crappy scum play.
In post 10641, Shadow_step wrote:I was going to tell this to TFL in the alliance PT so I could direct him to a better vig target.
In post 10642, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:Hmm..... I read through sky ISO and I missed it..... To be fair I was trying to find any connections SB might of had.
Honestly I am a bit frustrated bc I am playing so sloppily this game.......
unvote
I still think that atleast 1 scum was off 2 if not all the wagon. I also don't think Kras is scum
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Post #11760 (isolation #643) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:08 am
Postby grapes »
Nah I voted shadow the day it mattered, before he claimed scum.
Remember the counterwagon to creature.
Also, definitely advocated a twie lynch and voted him; but wasn't around to hammer because that's when I got busy.
Also pushed skybird.
Also voted DGB.
etc etc
Not sure why you're trying to discredit me now though.
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Post #11769 (isolation #651) » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:27 am
Postby grapes »
Two traitors for threats to earth makes no sense.
Here's some flavor spec.
There's 6 fucking rubies in the show. Lapis makes perfect sense as a specific leftover traitor that joined them or whatever even though there was already a traitor.
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Post #11860 (isolation #654) » Mon Dec 26, 2016 3:05 pm
Postby grapes »
Hey guys.
Hope you're all having a good holiday.
This is a long one so buckle up and enjoy some music while you read!
Like the nerd I am I spent time thinking about games over the last few days while spending time with the family (overrated imo). Had some time today after stuff settled down and decided to really sit down and take a hard look at things because something just didn't feel right. Might have had something to do with my achieving lynch-threshold, which by the by, really puts it in perspective let me tell ya.
First thing's first.
There might be another leftover.
And I know I've been skeptical of the speculation around that but you all will understand it was mostly due to the blind wave of head nods that it must be Lapis from the majority of you. Like when you're getting runup strictly because of your flavor-claim the idea is going to immediately repulse you especially if you're someone like me. I think that was close-minded and selfish of me and considering I have more than one overwhelmingly strong scumread, certain slots insisting strongly that there is one based on hot air and thinking that 6 scum is iffy on balance upon reflection ... we may in fact have two scumbummies still out there.
But more importantly.
It's a very bad assumption to think that this leftover wouldn't be given a fakeclaim if it can align with the threats to Earth. Sure, Xk and the rest of the crystal gems weren't given them ...
but they're not scum
. They're actually an experiment put into the game to test Earth's sanity, humanity and faith. (That or they're running an absolutely epic gambit.) In other words this game is an allegory for the meeting of humans and space aliens and the paranoia that would bring about. If the mod gave fakeclaims to the gems that's essentially telling us to lynch through them because they have something to hide. Much to the reverse of the reds who have everything to hide.
A better question to ask is: who fits as a leftover ... based on role?
Killing role maybe? A role similar to Xk's?
And what about play?
Well we can assume that they weren't given the names of the scumteam from the start otherwise the idea behind being a leftover (that they choose whether or not to join their respective faction after a certain point) loses all meaning and sorta breaks the game.
How about someone with a large contrast in tone, engagement, reads and interaction with scum from the beginning of the game up until a certain point?
I can think of one person who fits the first question quite easily.
I can think of another person who fits the second question with flying colors.
But let's hold off on that for a minute and do a little PoE.
What fuzzy has going for him is his confirmed vig-shot. The fact that the gems didn't have an opportunity to bubble farside. Counterclaiming TWIE. Outstanding voting record (as he likes to remind us). And some relatively believable AtE recently (which I'm an absolute sucker for).
What he has going against him is some very questionable interaction with scum in a few spots. Bad play around his role (shooting outside the gem/mastin consensus last night -- which I'm going to forgive because RR probably begged him to shoot there). And what's more is that he kinda fits in my head with what I would
expect
the scum leftover to look like on role. Key word there is expect.
-2-
Don't have a good reason to call shiro town.
I have a lot of reasons to call shiro scum and even more reason to think he may be a leftover.
-3-
Almost is a guy who I've been overlooking a lot of the game. Glossing over his posts for the most part. In fact the first time I clicked iso on him was just the other day because his death tunnel on me is to the point of ridiculousness and I thought "could the emu actually be that bad". Which is why I've been forgiving to his eccentric bullshit for the most part, thought he was just tremendously horrible. Probably a bad assumption.
He doesn't work as a leftover because his tone, reads (certain ones) and engagement has stayed relatively consistent throughout the game. And what's more has an incredibly scummy Day 1.
-4-
I'll keep this one short. They're probably Town.
You can push them all day for death-tunneling farside. Sabotaging what would have been an auto-win. Flailing all over the thread. Their wagon on both day 1 and 2 resembling a wagon on scum but at the end of the day maybe scum were resigned to NKing them or just letting them push mislynches through the whole game before varsoon even unlocked the thread. Engagement-wise they stand above the entire pool. Burdening them with proficiency isn't a great idea especially if we're talking about hunting for scum (and even then they have had sparks of okay reads throughout the game). I was paranoid and put out about farside claiming a third party win-condition myself somewhat. We've all had games stolen from us and that's a feeling that never goes away.
Their play and reads from day 1 carrying over into day 2 and then so on and so forth don't line up with what I'd expect to find in a leftover. And like I said before their engagement has been very consistent regardless.
So trimming it down:
Possible leftovers: Fuzzy, Shiro.
Possible scum: RR, Fuzzy, Almost50.
RR and Fuzzy are more town by play than Almost no contest.
Fuzzy doesn't really work as a scumbuddy for either of them (particularly on recent days).
Leaving us with Almost50 as scum and Shiro as the potential leftover scum.
Now I know what you're all thinking.
"grapes what the fuck are you on about?"
Just bear with me.
I'm going to start with an iso of Shiro's early game.
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Nothing but fluff and setting up an alliance with firebringer for the first 15 posts.
Forgivable because ... most people didn't really scumhunt at all until the game actually began.
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First push he makes is on Almost:
Shiro wrote:
Almost50 wrote:
Creature wrote:
Varsoon
Can you confirm Almost50 is town?
??? Are.. are you claiming .. the LIE DETECTOR??!!!!!! GAWD, I hope NOT! I mean, what's with people crumbing and/or outright claiming in a game we've been explicitly warned against doing so??
Hell, even if you had a death wish, wouldn't it have been better for you to wait a few RL days to see who would vote you/me and for what reasons before you outed yourself, and confirmed me in the process???
On the other hand, if this is another one of those tricks, do you realize how scummy it makes you look??
This seems fake as fuck.
And I'm going to call this a solid observation. ^
Almost is reaching incredibly hard to twist creature's post as him claiming to be the lie detector first off. What's more the lamist 'why wouldn't you wait to confirm me' comes off as forced.
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Following up the push he calls out Almost on a scummy contradiction in 1937.
Almost says that his Not Chara vote at first was a sheep, but then later on says that he's scumreading Not Chara.
Pretty decent scumhunting.
"Why the fuck would town reveal who they think the lie detector is."
Feels genuine and is actually a solid observation.
>
Moving further on he continues the push on almost and it's a real-time back and forth with omgus on both sides.
Shiro looks better because his push actually has merit.
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Finally kinda comes out of his tunnel with a scumread on KTS in 2271 but it's naked.
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Votes cakes in 2295
Doesn't look like a bus because it was done in a preview edit with more focus on posting an adorable anime picture.
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Continues tunnel on A50 until 2426 where he finally gives some more reads.
Feels like a townish off the cuff post. Now has mcmenno as a scumread as well. What's notable is that his vote is on sircakez but doesn't mention him in his reads. Kinda feel like scum are more likely to remember that they're voting a buddy.
Day 2 starts -- things start to get interesting.
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3299 & 3307
Asks mastin and titus why they're both townreading Almost50. The thread's loudest voices. This gets important later.
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3346
The farside scumread is intertwined to his almost scumread when it wasn't before.
>
3373
Is actually a solid case. But he's not voting almost at all today.
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And then on to this:
Shiro wrote:ok it just hit me and my mind did a 180
I am an idiot almost is possibly town
Shiro wrote:@Almost
Ally with me.
Hmm.
tl;dr
- Push on almost is kinda town. Engagement is good. Stuff looks off the cuff. Then weird asf turnaround on A50 a short way into Day 2 in conjunction with asking exclusively confirmed-town why they're townreading him basically at Daystart looks more like checking if the coast is clear rather than genuine inquiry. Because the timing of his realization of Almost being town couldn't have come about for any special reason that wasn't there before. This is notable because of an answer to a question I ask him later on.
Let's take a break from shiro for now and go into Almost50's Day 1.
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Mostly fluff, talking about how there's people he can't read in the game and alliances in the first 10 or so posts.
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First thing that resembles scumhunting is throwing shade on mastin in 347 for misreading her role pm.
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515
This is interesting. Accepts cakes' request to ally. Very over-worded and carried over into a separate post in 517 no less.
But the line
"in the majority of games we were of opposite alignments"
890
Bad vote because he earlier had given me the impression (based on the overreaction to chara's question) that he was scumreading it. Now he's absolving himself of responsibility for the vote by calling it a sheep and calling himself opportunistic is scummy too.
is once again disingenuous because that implies you had suspicion to begin with. When he already said that he didn't.
"Come on people put some pressure on me"
is also bad.
>
984
Quotes snarky's early vote on sircakes. It's fair for a50 to say that snarky pushing on cakes for having different reads is iffy. But it's also a subtle chainsaw of cakes when we look closer. Like, he says that snarky has strange reads too but goes out of his way to have a conversation with snarky about all of his reads but his cakes read which is odd considering Almost initially found this post notable for snarky 'also having strange reads' implying he didn't understand his read on cakes.
Creature's a young gun and almost looks to be trying to put pressure on a soft target for something that doesn't make sense. Nowhere in creature's post could anything be gathered that he was the lie-detector.
The line
"do you realize how scummy this makes you look"
is disgusting hedge (and also feels like he knows creature is town for that matter) and if we assume almost is bad enough to think that this was a lie detector crumb. It makes this post pretty blatantly manipulative and fishing for creature to out if he in fact is that role.
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1081
Scumpost. He's focusing way too much on who he thinks the lie detector is and admitted in the post before this that he does have reads. It's pretty terrible that it was a vague -I've got a lot of townreads and no scumreads- and I'm kicking myself for letting him get away with such a lame response when the thread was at a 4 digit post-count.
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Offers to ally with me.
Segways awkwardly into a townread on cakes ... says he thought he was town because he offered to ally with him (doesn't really make any sense) and that now he's unsure because the private topic isn't very active. We'll call this part fair.
Note that there's been essentially -no- scumhunting up until this point.
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This looks like some awkward distancing because instead of confirming what cakes is saying (like he asked him to) he instead coaches him on how to talk in thread about things pertaining to their hood.
Most of these reads don't make any sense. Fox and sky both being in their own bracket of town makes me squint. Town-lean on Xk when he hadn't posted any content yet makes no sense and there's cogdis displayed in the end of this post where he barks for people to provide real content.
But above all having scum and strong scum tiers with no players in them just hedges the list entirely.
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Bad vote on mcmenno (who he was previously townreading).
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Note the contrast in replies in posts 1858 & 1859.
Appeases the fuck out of titus with an entire three paragraphs.
Quick, barely-a-response to Foxbird asking him about his read on Xk.
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Stillllllll dodging why he's townreading the birds and Xk. Thinking those reads might've been bullshited at this point.
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Almost50 wrote:
Obi-Wan Kenobi wrote:Mastina and I both want Cakey. Sheepy?
Let's just wait and see who else is going to join the wagon.
Tim Allen's Career.
tl;dr
- Almost was a scumfuck Day 1 and remains a scumfuck now.
Let's get back to our boy shiro for a moment.
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We'll begin here:
In post 4199, Shiro wrote:@Grapes
I didn't pick almost, I legitimately believed he was scum. My mind changed mostly to, I won't lie, mechanics and flavour, hate me for that if you want.
Whoever said grapes doesn't ask good questions! This is what I was referring to before. He's lying here because between the point Day 2 started and his turnaround, Almost hadn't claimed flavor and nothing mechanical changed about his slot either.
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I'm gonna chill a bit with the pbpa for the rest of page 1 of shiros iso because the scumhunting ... really tapers off to just reaction gifs flavor speculation and an omgus war with farside.
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Oh actually wait up there's a readslist in 4248.
Right off the bat there's quite a few names missing here to my eye. Notably: TWIE, Foxbird, Fuzzy and probably some others.
Reasoning all sucks. Like there's not a lot of substance here which when you account for the size of the post; I'm squinting pretty hard at this.
The scumreads are all bad and opportunistic. Killthestory read in particular doesn't make any sense as an example it's just
"I didn't buy the IC claim"
-- clearly. And
"here's some meta where he was different in another game."
I could dissect this post into an entire wall but I'll spare you all that. Kudos btw to whoever's still reading this. : D
Page 2 of Shiros iso
... I want you guys to read it yourselves. There isn't any scumhunting. I could quote all the posts and just say "fluff" or "bad post" but the proof is in the pudding.
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Here's the important ones:
Shiro wrote:I believe that scum fake claims and role don't match as well as towns does
:/
Shiro wrote:
Firebringer wrote:
Shiro wrote:Fire, stop not caring damn it D: Leave yume alone, she is obv town.
Shiro if you want to maintain our friendship never talk about Yume to me again.
Now are you interested in joining sky wagon.
No, mainly because sky is mechanically cleared.
:/ :/ :/
Shiro wrote:
Skybird wrote:Almost Scum
Farside – I felt she was town in our PT. The things putting her here instead of the next level up is the stubbornness and game play like blowing up the Joy Ride and the weird claim. I’m not opposed to lynching her but would rather lynch from my scum pool right now.
Weren't you strongyly townreading her ?
Why in hell's kitchen does shiro's only decent question in all these posts look like blatant distancing?
Didn't he think skybird was confirmed-town?
Shiro wrote:
MathBlade wrote:Explain your Almost50 townread.
Nope.
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Shiro wrote:I had no ally tonight ) :
Also I kind of eeeh forgot to vote for the event hehe ^_^;
Dear Barbara.
Shiro wrote:Question though Math, You honestly think I bussed almost but then dropped it and now instead of safely staying on you, I am bussing DgB ?
This speaks for itself.
Shiro wrote:People are just wasting time on her wagon. Now Dgb on the other hand who steals votes. Now that is a scummy role.
The one correct scumread shiro pushed consistently was DGB. And his reasoning wasn't that she
claimed scum
it was because her role was scummy.
tl;dr
- Shiro made at least one good push day 1 and looked relatively town in some spots. But mysteriously turned around on that push because of ... flavor? And then never scumhunts again. Starts making scumpost after scumpost after scumpost. If there's a red leftover it's shiro.
What we're looking at here ladies and gentleman is a climb. The above is mostly how I arrived where I'm at right now after isoing everyone in the game including the gems. There's a few other things I'll talk about once I get answers to a couple questions below. But needless to say I don't think it's a coincidence that the player who I believe is most likely to be scum and the player who fits the vein of a leftover who sides with scum after day 1 have such an odd dynamic with each other.
Mastin
, appreciate the epic white-knight but let's calm down a bit here. Your death-tunnel on RR is bad for the game. Clear your head and come back after you've digested some of the things I've brought up and let's have a conversation not a lecture. Currently your order of RR>Grapes in the event that there's a scum leftover means that town loses the game.
Magna
, we need to remember that scum fakeclaims in this game go beyond just a safe name to claim. Scum were given events tied specifically to their fakeclaims. In other words varsoon went out of his way HARD to make this unbreakable by flavor and after some research, yea I can see why out of the flavor claims why mine might fit the most easily but here's the catch; I'm town. And assuming once I flip town that there's only 1 scum left is going to lose town the game.
They don't call me grapes just because I'm a fruit. I also enjoy fine flavor. I've seen this shit happen time and time again. I'm sick to death of people trying to game shit by flavor and even sicker of bad setups broken by it because it creates a vicious cycle of unenjoyable experiences and brings down mafia as a whole. You want proof? I was scum in a game where people wrote off my scum-buddy based on a flavorclaim because there was a fruit vendor action tied to their fakeclaim. I cited the OP saying that scum were given fruit vendors tied to their fakes and proceeded to bus my partner into the dirt. Now to be fair, there was a role that confirmed there was scum within a pool of three players, my buddy and two town mason-lovers. So my bus was half on principle and half strategic considering frog was getting lynched the next day no matter what and there was already enough traction on the masons to get a lynch
just based on flavor-spec
(one of the few scenarios where I'd ever bus). Point being I hate when people try and game flavor. Which is why I blew up at you.
Let's say we massclaimed our flavor and lynched through the obvscum ones and we were right every time and won. That'd feel empty to me not sure about you. That isn't playing mafia and varsoon understands that it's one of the reasons why I enjoy playing his games. Think about it.
Cerb
, please get your head back into the game. I know that we've had our differences and I've thought you were scum all game and I can only imagine what getting death tunneled by mastin feels like. But try and not focus on that and focus on helping me lynch scum. I know that you and drixx really want a win here and so do I. Your PoE is wrong and I can show you why but I don't want to tell you why. I want to have a conversation.
Fuzzy
, if you're town bud please. Calm down and understand that tensions are high and there's enough ego in this thread to build a city. If at any point you thought that someone was talking down to you don't because I've played with all these guys at least a few times they're all okay. We just happen to all be old nerds taking a cops and robbers game on the internet based on a children's tv show a bit more seriously than we should be. I for one think that since my first newbie game here (you probably don't even remember that game) you've grown into a fine mafia player despite what your alignment is here. One thing that I'll say no matter how this turns out is try to keep better track of your role and stuff especially if you're town because goddamn it's so easy to scumread you bro and you've got a confirmed vig-shot.
random
, I get that you're above putting too much effort into games. I get that 'try-hards' like me probably are the bane of your existence. I get that you must care somewhat or you would have replaced out by now. I say shit I don't mean when I'm pissed. I don't think you're all too bad a player it's just lurksacks infuriate me to no end and your vote on me sucked and you know it. We are polar opposites and probably always will be. Lend me an ear and let me know what you think of my stuff the tl;dr's were put in with you in mind.
Shiro
, why do you think fuzzy is scum? Why do you think that mastin could be a leftover?
Almost
, you sir are a phenomenal bullshitter and I'll never underestimate you again. How on Earth do you suppose that I'm a scum-leftover-judas given that we've seen what the leftover wincon is and how one functioned already? Why were you skeptical of magna's flavor spec? Why do you think shiro is scum?
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Post #11877 (isolation #656) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:29 pm
Postby grapes »
In post 11861, Shiro wrote:@Grapes I think mastin is leftover because it fits from every flavor prespective also town is earth humans
Nope. Earth is whatever-the-fuck the mod decided what Earth is.
In post 11861, Shiro wrote:As for fuzzy, I have explained why I believe his actions are scummy. Unless someone is hard framing him for like forver, All of his actions make sense only from scum prespective.
So why isn't scum no-killing to frame fuzzy believable for you?
You seem to be the only person who doesn't think mastina is confirmed-town.
You've mentioned that the gems wouldn't be good Night-kills because you believe their win-con and they'll be endgamed anyhow.
The rest of the players are in the lynch-pool.
Who's a good kill for scum at this point?
How did you learn Almost's flavor Day 2? And why did that make him a lock-townread for you?
In post 11861, Shiro wrote:Not shooting shadow, not shooting during the even were scum cannot use action,killing farside who as vig makes no sesne while as scum makes the best kill option. His sudden epiphany that gems might be mafia mason and that we should lynch in the gem party(somethin gonly useful to scum that NEED a lynch other than humans to win in a 4 way with 2 gems) I still dont get why people are seeing it.
Why isn't Fuzzy simply receiving some bad advice not just as conceivable?
In post 11863, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:@Shiro
I think you are wrong about Mastin..... I don't think we can trust flavor too much.
This.
In post 11863, TheFuzzylogic99 wrote:I think you might be right about the Gems skating through the game especially Random.
In post 11864, Almost50 wrote:Furthermore, I'm not an established analyst, and I sure am not a good case-constructor. In fact, making detailed cases with convincing logic and outspoken language has always been one of my weakest sides. I can scum-hunt, but I cannot easily get people to see what I see.
I'm not either. Apparently I'm just crazy.
In post 11864, Almost50 wrote:PLEASE, do consider bubbling Mastina tonight. That's seems like the ONLY way left to lynch grapes tomorrow. He is very much in control now with her sheltering him, and it IS going to cost us the game. Don't say I didn't explicitly say this here and now as my last tip going out with my last breath.
Mastin you do realize that this is a scumclaim right?
In post 11865, Randomnamechange wrote:Almost is one of those players that I feel like i missed a post that made them obv town or something.
My sentiments exactly.
In post 11865, Randomnamechange wrote:The one thing is that I definitely feel that Shiro has a point about mastin. Far also had some questions about mastin's alignment btw (in our alliance PT) gtg now but gonna give some more thoughts today or tomorrow depending on how much time i have
For mastin to be scum you need to assume Yume trolled the game, you're a gem, yume was a gem you of all people should be able to trust her call there so this has me especially confused. I've also never seen scum fake-claim miller.
Just had a crazy thought; what if there's 3 leftovers. One for the gems, threats and one who can side with earth?
In post 11866, mastin2 wrote:We are both fine assuming that no matter what, Almost50 is town--correct me if I am wrong there. So we are willing to gamble the game on him being town. But it IS exactly that: a gamble, not a given.
I'm gonna need a bigger case evidently.
In post 11866, mastin2 wrote:-STRONG flavor reasons to believe only one scum left
-STRONG balance reasons to believe only one scum left
-STRONG mechanical reasons to believe only one scum left
-And decent play reasons to believe only one scum left.
It's really not. "Scum wouldn't be put into a neighborhood with confirmed-town day 3."
In post 11868, mastin2 wrote:Also would just like to point out: this grapes post is absolutely the last thing grapes would do if grapes were scum. It is literally alienating the rest of the town and going down a path, a battle, a fight which CANNOT be won.
Watch me.
Your stale bad reads are not "the Town."
In post 11868, mastin2 wrote:Because while grapes has my support to not lynch him, grapes will NEVER get my support to lynch either of Almost50 or Shiro. This is town crazy. It's crazy, yes. But it is town crazy all the same.
Not sure I NEED your support but it would be appreciated.
And did you actually read my post?
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Post #11878 (isolation #657) » Tue Dec 27, 2016 4:05 pm
Postby grapes »
@Almost50
In post 11860, grapes wrote:How on Earth do you suppose that I'm a scum-leftover-judas given that we've seen what the leftover wincon is and how one functioned already? Why were you skeptical of magna's flavor spec? Why do you think shiro is scum?