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That's one wrestler we know NOT to consult on our daily draft, I suppose.In post 53, DodgeTheSaint wrote:The other game isn't really relevant to what we're doing here, so I am already inclined to treat anyone who spends a significant amount of time trying to interact with the other game so early as scum.
P.S. Good luck if YOU get drafted on -say- D4 to the other brand and have to read through all previous 3 days at once.
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Um.. erm.. I mean .. I was hoping you would the time to analyze the players (not necessarily in public, but you know.. keep some personal notes) and then come and post a list of 6-7 players you would lynch and stuff .. (you know.. like you did in The Real Folks Blues) and we go from there.In post 73, Nero Cain wrote:The reason that Raw is only 3 pages is because of the simple fact that the Raw roster is full of lurksacks and scummy as fuck KMD. As for Smackdown you tools need to shape up and push Maria.
vote:KMD
Obviously that's ruined, and if you tried to force it it might not be as accurate, so..
Anyway; what's done is done. Why KMD? I know you said he was scummy, but what exactly gave you those negative vipes?
Also, if it's not too much trouble I'd appreciate it if you looked at Vifam from Smackdown and told me what you think. I have seen Town!Vifam in The Real Folks Blues and I have just recently seen Scum!Vifam in a game we (Almost Chara) played in with him, and I can't decide which one is this current Vifam. (P.S. I have yet to read anything today though, so I only followed the other thread up to page #18)
@Everyone else:
We need to play this as a team. I don't care if you hate the other player, or if your persona is at odds with their persona. You can do what you like play-roling the hatred if you like, but when it comes to actually playing Mafia please stay focused. Games this complicated tend to backfire if everyone goes and does their own thing regardless, and it could be our downfall if someone decides to troll or be selfish.
Bottom line: If you're a "Baby Face" you need to work with your fellow "Baby Faces".
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Hear hear. So far I'm disliking them and Dodge the most.In post 111, Narna wrote:I think All Alone could be scum.
I was going to say that, but I actually let it slide to see how far All Alone are willing to go.In post 113, Kmd4390 wrote:Can we, like, not do these submissions so early? Holy shit...
@Nero: Still scum reading Kmd? Cuz I'm not so sure about it. Also Narna is painfully obv!Town (for one)
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Hmmm.. there seems to be some confusion about certain game mechanics. You guys (and girls) REALLY need to read #1 post in full.
You cannot "ship" someone out to the other brand. It isn't even your call.
Here's how it works:
At the end of a day (whether by lynch or by exhausting the time limit) there is an extended twilight phase. First, each manager will submit ONE name of their OWN BRAND. This player will be UNDRAFTABLE. So let's say we picj Nero on D1. Now massive canNOT pick Nero to be playing for his brand on D2.
However, a manager cannot submit the same player twice in a row, so if Nero is our pick on D1 we cannot make him undraftable on D2 as well, but we may do so on D3 if he isn't already drafted on N2.
I hope this is clear.
Now the next step is each manager will pick one draft from the other brand. That will be from the list of living players who are draftable (all living players except the one submitted as undraftable for that day).
So, the player from Smackdown who will be switching to RAW tomorrow will be OUR pick (as in Almost Chara's pick).
Now please pay attention to the follow up post.
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Now we need to keep an eye on BOTH threads, regardless of which one you are currently in because:
1- You COULD be tonight's draft. After that; you could be drafted back in here for D3. You don't want to play catch-up all the time.
2- You need to have a read on whoever gets drafted in if you are with us by tomorrow.
3- Consider something like this: We mislynch twice and we have 2 NKs (I'm not even sure if this game has night kills, but I'm assuming it does since this is a MAFIA game after all). This means we have 9 players alive. Now assuming we made a mistake and drafted one scum out of our two over the two nights, we start D3 on LyLo already (again, assuming 3 scum on each thread at the start of the game which makes sense with a 13-players list).
4- Or you can consider the OTHER scenario of us lynching 2 scum on the opening 2 days. We SHOULD be drafting a scumster from the other brans and lynch them here. We would be very much in control of our own brand AND we don't want the scums to control the majority on the other brand.
Actually I need to ask the mod about this:
Does the scum controlling EITHER brand win them the game or do you treat them separately so one brand can have a baby face win and the other have a heel win?
So, I'm inclined to treat whoever promotes NOT reading the other thread as either scum or a lazy town player who does not understand the game.
I was considering making it a democracy and let everybody have their say on who we should be drafting, but that requires you actually do read the other thread and may are too lazy to do it, so I'll be consulting those whom I town read (that's a given) AND have ACTUAL READS on Smackdown. It's easy to say let's have Titus over here even before the game started, but if Titus was scum? FTR, I'm Town reading Titus, but what if I'm wrong myself?? What if I'm right but the majority HERE doesn't agree? Rather than having her resulting in a smooth win it could backfire and we end up losing because you didn't care to read the other thread and thus had no say over whom we draft.
Am I making myself clear here or am I talking to myself?
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P.S. I'm also contemplating on making a crazy move, but I have to (a) consult Chara and (b) have more reads from Nero, and particularly on my top 2 suspects: All Alone & Dodge.
As for my Town reads I also only have 2 in Narna and Nero, but I'm more confident with the one on Narna tbh. I need you to obv!Town to me, Nero so that I can only worry about whether you're right or wrong (and not also have to worry about you being sly and misleading.)
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i'm a bit glad our thread is so slow. made it easier to catch up.
i don't like Dodge, but that might be disagreement over methods more than anything else. the bad Narna push, followed by the 'oh, nevermind, i understand now' is something i've done as town before.
i'd like to point out that Kuroi stated somewhere, or maybe i asked, that it's entirely possible for RAW and Smackdown to have different factions win. scum can win one with town winning the other.
Almost did a good job of it, but i'd like to underline that following the other thread is a very good idea. this isone game, not two concurrent games. drafts happen every twilight, so there will be a lot of swapping. and yes, we could win or lose by drafting. if it didn't matter to our game, this would have just been two minis.
Narna is town, as is the McMenno hydra, who i'll be calling McMenno because it's just McMenno with two accounts. which is great. Kmd and All Alone for scum. McMenno's doing it was town, Alone doing itafter, combined with the exaggerated 'you've done nothing', just looks like a copycat trying to get towncred for making a suboptimal play. i haven't read the other thread very much, except to know Titus could be town.
pedit: this is a large game. you didn't sign up for a mini. it's pure luck that our thread is moving as slowly as it is. though, you likely won't get drafted if you're saying that, so maybe it doesn't matter for you.
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i'm pretty sure it was in reaction to All Alone deciding to attack players for inactivity in a 6-page game, and use their finisher on Banana Mint. are you townreading Alone?In post 130, Kmd4390 wrote:Malpas might be scum for such outrage at being voted without any attempt to scum hunt All Alone based on it.
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Titus: i haven't had a chance to read your thread yet, so i'll answer on who we'd like later.
as for your plan. i'm not sure how happy i am with it. maybe Almost has a different feeling, but first and foremost, i want a RAW win. we can't move to Smackdown. of course, winning both is ideal, but i'm not sure how to facilitate that with the drafting mechanic. if you have a pool of Smackdown players you don't want us to draft, and it's a townblock, having us draft from the 'unsure-to-scummy' pool of players is just making it more likely we'll pick scum, which, depending on how well we've done lynching scum, could screw us over. i also don't see how either RAW or Smackdown is helped by swapping around players no one is sure is town. it just adds several elements of uncertainty to how far away LyLo is when we can't be reasonably certain about the amount of scum in any given game.
then again, swapping town players gives the same problem. basically, what i'm saying is... RAW is my priority, and Smackdown is likely your general manager's priority. if my logic is faulty somewhere, let's chat, because i haven't had a chance to read through all of Smackdown on the issue.
what is the goal of the pool method? to keep townblocks together? what if we can't put together a good block? i just don't think it's worth the uncertainty of moving scum around.
i'll talk it over with Almost, but that's how i feel now./end of message to Titus.
Kmd: are you townreading Dodge?
i disagree on it being bold. McMenno already did it, and a few players (us included) expressed that McMenno was town for doing such a thing, in addition to the biteback he received. at best, it's a null move when it's already occured from someone else, and at worst, the way they did it just doesn't feel good.
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to Smackdown and to us, regarding drafting:looking at Almost's thoughts about it again, the goal of drafting for any given day could be dependent on how previous lynches have gone. it could be possible to maneuver towards a complete town win for Smackdown and RAW by making decisions based on which brand is doing better. like the example given above, if one brand lynches some scum, they could safely try to take scum from the other brand and help them. sort of a pseudo-lynch, but not really. the same if one brand is only lynching town. they'd of course want to supplement themselves with more town, so it would be important to try and avoid drafting scum and suffering a loss.
with that in mind, i do see how working together on drafting could be helpful. i just don't think they're one certain 'plan' for it.
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This brand IS dead. I'm not gonna have Mr McMahon wiping the floor with my face for you guys. Shape up or be gone already.
I also can't stand quitters, so if anyone doesn't want to play NOW is the time to say so. If you're eying a replace out maneuver; do it now or fight like a man (erm.. a woman in case of Malscap)
Spoiler: SD
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I'm on an UNOFFICIAL V/LA. I very much think I will be able to meet the deadlines for posting and all, but I'm not exactly available as much as I usually am. This is also temporary so no need to declare official V/LA
Spoiler: Titus
@Raw:
I'm not lynching Narna, Nero, McMenno or Leonshade on D1. I'd rather not lynch Kmd either but that's not an absolute/final decision.
I don't like the recent post or two by LUV, and I had a scum lean on DTS for his entrance. Everyone else is in my null pile for lack of proper contribution so far. Hopefully this will change in a few days or I might be inclined to force you to show up, and I mean what I say.
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@Leon:
I HATE YOU for making me do this. You should know (and most of those who played more than one game with me do know) one of my weakest aspects of the game is trying to make cases, whether these are scum or town cases. I'll do my best though.
Nero came out of the gate blazing. He did not even use his site-meta earned right to RVS, but rather expressed a scum read on KMD and voted there. Furthermore, he didn't hesitate in voicing out hi opinion on SD (sum reading Maria) when it was still debatable whether scum hunting in SD was considered scummy or not.
In other words, Nero makes no reservations and is paying little if any attention how anyone could try to angle-shoot his play. This -to me- is genuine aggressive scum hunting, which makes him Town in my eyes.
As for you, your #31 contained 3 lines: 1: Sarcasm. NAI, 2: defending McMenno. Minor Town credit, 3: Town reading Narna. More Town cred.
Your #71 looks more detailed in why you defended McMenno, and has a true statement in that scum will likely push on a joke as they tend to try to find "something" to start their attack on Town. So, not only did you not join the push, you defended McMenno with reason and logic.
Still, I've put you as my 4th on the list, so if it comes down to you vs Narna, Nero or McMenno I'd be lynching you over any of them. However, I don't wan you gone over anyone else apart from those 3, and we only have one lynch, so I'm trying to narrow down my options for the day.
@Narna:
Unfortunately we canNOT draft KT over here no matter what he says he is. First; until he DOES start producing results there's nothing confirmed about his role to begin with. Second; his play is annoying I'd rather be lynched myself over bringing him to play in my own brand, let alone by my own choice. Third; it's not just me. There are several players who feel uncomfortable with KT's play, and it's not going to be any smoother if we had him here. The noise he produces could very much cloud the air to the point we can't see scum mooning us and brushing their behinds to our faces. Why would I want to poison the air in my brand's thread?
In short, we have several other choices that are all better than KT to bring over here. Titus (if not the one massive picks to be undraftable) is a great choice. Tywin (Obv!Town in my book) is a good choice too. Grey (whom you seem to have reservations over) I have a Town lean on for both his play of late AND Titus being confident of his alignment (Titus can tunnel town thinking they might be scum, but rarely ever gets stubborn over a town read if she's not fairly confident in it). Maria is my own Town read, but I might not draft her for fear she might work as a distraction to Nero. Vifam is another alternative I might consider since both our slot (myself and Chara) and Nero Cain are leaning Town on him.
So, FIVE alternatives to pick from there with 2 that I don't think anyone could argue against.
Suffice it to say, our choices are:
- Titus: Top choice if she is draftable.
- Tywin: No problem here, but Titus wants him there
- Maria: My personal preferred 3rd choice, but Nero doesn't like her
- Grey: Looks like a decent pick, but you (my top Town read) seem to have reservations
- Vifam: May be the best compromise draft if Titus isn't on the table considering they don't like him much there as we do here
P.S. Your feedback is VERY appreciated. I won't try to run this brand as a dictator unless I'm forced to. Both myself and Chara agree that we can properly play our role w/o being total jerks about it.
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I may have misunderstood, but if by "double-lynch" you mean using a finisher AND having a normal lynch, I believe Vince said somewhere that someone tapping out WILL end the day. Apologies in advance if I did misunderstand.
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Ok.. two mistakes in less than an hour = I should not be posting tonight.In post 255, Almost50 wrote:
Welcome, wrestler. Are you ready to fight? I need fit bodies and fresh minds in my brand. The crowds demand decent fights on the ring and entertaining behaviour off it. Give them what they want and they'll cheer for you. Be a nobody and they'll treat like one.In post 249, KuroiXHF wrote:light_ganski-
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i'm more concerned with the fact that Creature saw what he thought was a setup break and decided to exploit it rather than communicating with the mod.
holidays are over essentially, so i can finally keep my promise to Almost to be active.
i'm more convinced Dodge is town, particularly after recent posting explaining his thought process regarding McMenno.
Narna: fine on the first two, but why light? she replaced in... yesterday.
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This post is pinging me harder than any other in the thread. I'm trying to see your logic there but can't.In post 277, Penguinos wrote:Sorry. Honestly this is my first time playing as a hydra and I don't want to commit too much while my other head is absent.
The idea of playing in a hydra is to help each other with reads, yes, but it's also meant to be for covering for each other. If one head is too busy, sick, traveling and what not they rely on the other(s) to fill the void. It's not meant for "secret deliberation" in your own PT then coming up with ONLY what you agree on, thus leaving out other stuff because you simply couldn't agree o it.
This is why I'm getting negative vibes here. It feels like someone doesn't have the confidence to carry the slot on their own for a while and are afraid of messing it up and getting blamed for it. And who feels like that? YEP! Players with RED text in their PMs.
VOTE: Penguinos
P.S. Someone correct me if I'm seeing too much into it. Thank you.
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what are you afraid will happen if your hydra partner comes back and dislikes a read? the worst you can do is talk to them about it.In post 277, Penguinos wrote:Sorry. Honestly this is my first time playing as a hydra and I don't want to commit too much while my other head is absent.
Leon: what about Dodge's recent posting have you liked?
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Dodge is a good townread. you'll have to actually explain why you've chosen him. plus, i'm fairly sure other players have expressed scumreads on the slot, even if they don't feel that way now.In post 303, Penguinos wrote:Oh, karnos, look what you've done. I take a magical trip to Disney and come back at L-1.
Of course, why no one is reading Dodge as scummy is beyond me.
VOTE: DodgeTheSaint
do you have any other reads?
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can you be more specific? that's why i asked. you unvoted Dodge just after i said he was an even better townread. which stances/explanations of Dodge changed your feelings.In post 293, Leonshade wrote:Above is L-2.
I thought his positions were contradictory/fake, but our interactions cleared his stance up for me.
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this feels like an attempt to say the wagon is too fast, without actually saying it. i don't like the line. strange to see this thought followed immediately by a vote.In post 299, Kmd4390 wrote:I feel like we might be jumping harder on this than normal because we need a jump start, but it's a good enough reason for a wagon at this stage in the day.
do you want Penguin lynched or don't you? what do you mean by stage in the day.
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[quote="In post 348, Lil Uzi Vert"]We also don't even have any idea of who AC is going to draft. It would be nice to know so we can read up on their ISO during Night 1.[/quote
WE don't know "for sure" who would be our draft, since we have no way to know who Massive picked to be his undraftable.
We will submit 2 names; a primary pick and an alternative. If our primary is draftable that will be it. If not, then the 2nd name will be the draft.
^^ This is all mechanics. Now here's the thought process:
We cannot draft massive (he's the manager). We will not draft KT (he's a troll). We don't think Creature has any solid reads (he town reads the whole of our brand) so that's another one we won't be drafting.
The DS sot hasn't produced much on D1 for us to even develop a read there. We don't have a solid read on IaI, so we would rather not risk it; especially given Gamma has flipped Town (he had a scum read there).
I personally keep going back and forth on Pepto, so I guess our options are limited to Titus/Grey/Zefiend/Maria/Tywin/Vifam (of which Titus, Maria and Tywin are solid Town reads of mine).
Titus doesn't want Tywin drafted here though. She suggested Grey, who is not widely Town read on either brands. Maria is obv.Town but my worry is brining her might interfere with Nero's scum hunting (this is already happening over there with Titus). Zefiend is also not too popular as a Town read on either brands.
That leaves us with Titus (primary pick) or Vifam (alternative pick).
And we obviously will be holding on to Nero over here, but we also have no idea who massive would have submitted for his draft picks, so it could be anyone other than Nero who would get drafted to SD.
Does this answer your question?
P.S. If we end up bringing Vifam in, you already know Titus is our draft for N2 (effective on D3), since massive cannot make her udraftable twice in a raw, so we know she'd be available then if she's not tonight.
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my internet's been spotty, i'm getting it fixed but it's been difficult to get a good enough connection to make browsing mafiascum anything more than a chore.
so i'll just say i'm leaving it to Almost and what we've discussed already in the PT.
Leon: i disagree that it was busywork, since you gave me more detail after my question than you had before. that side, i don't have problems with how you came to the read.
Kmd: if that's the case, was it just an idle observation instead of a statement with a point? your response isn't really addressing what i meant. i don't see why you'd bring up that the reason wasn't quite good enough for a 'normal' situation, but was strong enough for this stage. i'm aware you're fine with the lynch. it just sounds like you want it to be known that the reasoning isn't as strong as it could be.
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Hopefully Mr McMahon is wide asleep, so I can sneak in one more post before he locks the thread.
@LUV:
Yes, both heads here agree this is the town version of Titus. That's why she was our #1 pick.
However, since you guys fear she might be monopolizing the thread, I'll put Vifam first and her second. That way I'm like 99% sure Vifam will be our draft (unless massive hasn't decided on his undraftable yet and then it would still be weird of him to submit Vifam over Titus or Tywin). I hope everybody is happy.
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Hello? Is there life on this planet? The last I've learned is we only had one NK, but from the looks of it there might be like 5-6 corpses hidden somewhere than even Mr McMahon doesn't know about still!!!
Come on, people. DON'T let me be mean to you. Let me say this again: I AM YOUR MANAGER. I DO HAVE POWERS that are sure to make you FIGHT. I'm only being patient in hopes that you will be decent enough to provide the crowds with what they came here looking for: A GOOD FIGHT. But if you don't and I see the crowd getting pissed I'm very much inclined to throw you in a cage with no referee and watch you battle it for your life! Do you want a DEATH MATCH?
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@LUV:
Then you're probably be even less encouraged by what I have to say.
First off: Your reads SUCK BIG TIME. I'm 95+ % confident Nero is Town. It has to do with both his play and "something mechanical" that I'm not revealing.
Then McMenno is also Town.. like 90%
And -of course- I'm not allowed to vouch for our own slot, so... I'll let those who have played with both heads multiple times before decide on that.
Oh, and let's not forget you didn't even make it a secret you were surprised our strongest Town read actually flipped Town!! (I'm talking about Narna for those who are not closely following this thread).
Now, why do I get the feeling that your scum reads on all 3 of us have all arrived at the most convenient of times right after Nero had said something about him expecting you to scum read the wagon on Penguinos? I know, I know.. you didn't feel too comfortable with McMenno already, but let's agree to disagree there. But how come you are now scum reading Nero and our slot? Is it because Nero is pointing out flaws in your play and we happen to agree? Please show us a case on any of the 3 slots you're scum reading for us to consider.
That should be all for now.
@Vifam:
Now I suspect you do know this, but I wanted to make it absolutely clear that we are Town reading you, and we believe you have good reads. The reason for my personal faith in you was pointed out in our previous game together in which you were scum and I called you out for it, but you somehow managed to discredit yourself as a player to discredit our scum read on you.
Anyway, I'm expecting just a little more from you here, and I'd very much appreciate it if we could lynch scum today with your help.
@Kmd:
I fully agree that “not wanting that lynch doesn't make LUV scum”. HOWEVER, he did not provide an alternative or propose a different course. To me, he did want that lynch. He just didn't want to look connected to it. He tried to earn Town credit by pretending not to want that lynch, but by providing no alternative course he knew we would finally be lynching the Penguinos slot because it's better than a No Lynch by all means.
He claimed the case was weak, right? Yet when asked for his own reads he had no stron scum reads, meaning he wasn't ready to push anyone else, and THAT is my problem (and I think that's what Nero's been trying to say).
@EVERYBODY:
Now get the freak off Nero and McMenno already. There are 3 slots we won't be lynching today and these are Nero, McMenno & Vifam. If you're scum reading any of them; I won't ask you to reconsider, but I WILL ask you to go for the next one on your list.
There are 8 other slots for you to pick from (yes, I'm ok with you voting us and I promise not to interfere with your decision to do so as a manager), but you're not lynching our OBV!Town players. So, either present a good case on someone else or try to obv!Town yourself.
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Oh, shit. One thing more I forgot to mention to LUV: Your question about us getting lynched orNK'dis worrying me. That's one more reason why I personally do not feel very comfortable with you. The question itself has been answered a least Twice before on either thread, but the phrasing you used is freaking me out tbh.
Oh, well.. if you're not lynched and we are NK'd then the Town will know for sure who did it. Good luck with that, mate.
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Good point, actually.In post 488, Kmd4390 wrote:And if he wanted to NK you as scum, why would that question be in thread early Day 2 and not in a scum PT Night 1?
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OK, correct me i I'm wrong, but it looks to me that Vifam is suggesting to lynch from within the wagon, while Ms Columbo's promoting a lynch from those who were off it.
In this case I'd like both of you to provide reads on the players on your suggested pool, i.e. Vifam gives reads on everyone who lynched Penguinos and Ms Columbo provides reads on those who didn't vote Penguinos.
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You want the sarcastic version (my natural response) or the serious one? Since I'm feeling talkative I'll give you both:In post 494, malpascp wrote:WHY THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE TR MCMENNO.
@Ms Columbo: In that post i said it could be poor reasoning. If people do something irrational it's pretty much impossible to determine alignment from it, let alone from a single post. That's why it's so hard to get a read on people who do random shit, which i assumed could be the case, being a new-hydra and all. And yes, I'm always carefull with my votes, it's not like I guessed there would be a wagon. AC said something about Penguinos that might be scummy, I agreed but didn't vote, and reasoned why (maybe my wording was poor). Dunno why you're making such a fuss about it.
Now then, WHY THE HELL WOULD SOMEONE TR MCMENNO
Spoiler: Sarcastic response
I understand McMenno does have a play style that could easily be misread and/or scum read by those who don't know him. It happened to me before.
However,Spoiler: McMenno Town read explanation
suffice it to say: It's a combination of a read on the slot itself and the player in question in particular, and what I would expect from them as either alignment. Mcmenno does not strike me as the “drama king” type of player. His play is much more simple and straightforward than to do this just to distance himself from a scum buddy and/or to draw attention to his slot and then pull the “I wouldn't have done it if I was scum” card, so he is very much likely Town.
Now please let us know if you think more likely that MORE THAN ONE scum were on the mislynch wagon or if it's more likely that they tried to avoid it and let the Town misfire on their own?
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@Pepchoinga:
Just so you know, neither of us (Myself and Chara) are good in roleplaying. However, we are encouraged to act in-role as per Kuroi's request. I don't even know our character (I never cared for anyone but the wrestlers themselves and what we usually get here is the entry of the gladiators to the ring then the match and that's it, so I wouldn't know much about the managers).
Tell me how you think Eric Bicshoff would motivate his fighters (in a spoiler) and I would gladly copy and paste it every time I needed to do a similar speech.
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Totally irrelevant; but Varsoon did in Bordelands (he was signed in with a troll account named I_Am_Not_I_Am_Not_Varsoon, so I find it quite similar to the McMenno/Not_An_McMenno_Hydra case even in the name of the alt)In post 524, malpascp wrote:who the hell asks to be replaced by himself?-
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I'm inclined to agree with the pathetic part regardless of alignment.In post 525, Nero Cain wrote:Assuming they are not scum this is fucking pathetic coming from (one head) a site mod.
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OK.. let's try this: Everybody pick someone absolutely unlynchable for you. Just ONE player (of this brand's current roaster)
Also: Nominate TWO names you want to see gone (I mean LYNCHED, not just traded out).
I'm going to keep a public record of your picks, and please do THINK before you respond because yo cannot change your mind later, but you absolutely do need to submit the requested 3 names (one unlynchable, 2 you want lynched).
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Almost Chara -Nero Cain
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Lil Uzi Vert -
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Vifam -
Nero Cain -
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Pepchoninga -
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McMenno -
Lil Uzi Vert -
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DodgeTheSaint -
Vifam -
Nero Cain -
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P.S. If anyone wants to provide a complete read list on either RAW, Smackdown or BOTH; you're most welcome. Please do keep it separate from the requested response from above though. We don't want to end up confused between your general reads and your recommended alternatives.
Oh, and while at it, the 2 for the lynch should probably be independent of each other, i.e. it is not recommended to propose a lynch on someone your scum read on is dependent on your other lynch recommendation, because -obviously- if you're wrong on the first one then you're wrong on the other and you'd actually be recommending two Townies to be lynched. Please consider all scenarios you may think of, evaluate the most probable ones, and make your picks based on which one(s) you think are the most likely to flip scum AND give us a clue on whom their partners might be.
THANK YOU.
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Welcome again, Math
@Dodge:
No need to apologize, but it would still be nice if you put your 3 picks explicitly in one post. I know Nero must be one of your lynches, but who would be another whom you Scum red INDEPENDENTLY from your Nero read? In other words, assuming Nero is Town; who would be your other lynch pick? And who is your one and only hat you will absolutely not consider lynching today.
@Kmd:
THANK YOU. I may get back to you with a couple of questions about some of your picks/reads, but what matters to me now is that you did provide answers and in the format I requested, so -once again- thanks you
P.S. Math has replaced banana mint
@Math:
In post #600; is "I just want Almost Chara to say they have what they need first." a reference to my request of 3 names or something else?
Also, I see what you say about the Masons Vig shots, but it could be 2 shots and not necessarily unlimited shots. Still, your point is well taken there. Nice catch.
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Thanks, buddy. Got your picks. I agree on Vifam being Town, but we seriously disagree on your lynch picks. Will get back to that later.
Also, drafting Maria/Pepto is out of the question at this point. If they're Masons this would be the most anti-Town play ever as it would break their power.
What I CAN do though is draft either Titus or Tywin (both TRs) to avoid them being the target of another stunt like that.
Now what bothers me more about that Vig is not that it was used on Town (I wouldn't have called Creature "obv" Town myself. I simply can't read him at all), but the fact that it came after Maria's #382 (which Math quoted here) saying she thinks they shouldn't use their Vig shots because lynches give more info, but it could be blamed on the fact hey were pushed too hard they wanted to prove their Masons claim. It was still bad play regardless.
Everytime you start a sentence with "Almost" (with a capital A) I get alerted to respond thinking you're talking to/about me.In post 608, MathBlade wrote:Almost painfully relevant.
@Math:
Yes, LyLo "could" happen as early as D3 but it's extremely unlikely. This is because if we mislynch twice and have 2 NKs on the first 2 nights, and assuming a 10-3 setup on each brand this means we are down to 6 vs 3 from that alone. Now add the drafting mechanics and if we only draft ONE scum and one Town over the 2 nights (and 2 Town get drafted from our brand to SD) we start D3 with 5 Townies vs 4 Scum, i.e. LyLo.
Um.. erm.. ok.. I take back the 2-shots Mason proposition. I don't see how we could have TWO Town Vigs tbh. never have seen it before, but I'll give it a teeny weeny little chance of being the case if it was done for a reason like we have 2 threads, but then there should be a mechanic either preventing you being drafted there and them being drafted here OR preventing both Vig shots from resolving successfully on the same night if both occur in the same thread, and we didn't get notified of such a limitation on our drafting picks in our PMs so option one is most probably null. (Btw, why do I feel the game has just become too complicated with that revelation? Did you really HAVE to claim so prematurely??)
TBC
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@Math:
I would appreciate it if you gave everyone who didn't respond to my request yet to do so before we end the day.
As for reading you, what's there to read? You were a Town lean by the opening few posts YOU did (not your predecessor though), but now you have gone and full claimed Vig, which I can't see you doing as Scum when both myself and Chara are here, so you are 95% Town by now, and you can join Nero, Menno & Vifam in my No Lynch pool.
Erm, what 4+ killing roles?? Wait. The submission thing all wrestlers have is NOT a Vig shot. Technically it is, but it only needs ONE lousy vote to be voided, so it's nothing but a flavour scenery.. a decoration of the game if you will. For a submission move to actually result in it's target being lynched it has to be a unanimous decision by all living players, which is even harder to achieve than the normal lynch.
Now if that is NOT what you meant, then please tell us what other Town killing Roles we have aside from yours and the claimed Masons' (which should count for one for all practical purposes).
Btw, I'm at the start of page 26 and here's the public count of my request so far:
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Kmd4390 –pepchoninga
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@Dodge:
You don't seem to fully get it. BOTH brands are playing the same game and there is a drafting mechanic in application. Setup spec based on flipped/claimed roles on the other thread is not out of the question because ANYONE (but the brand GM) could be switching their "playfield" at any given twilight, so roles mus've been designed to maintain the overall balance as well as the internal balance within each brand separately (and I'm no mod at all, so I don't know HOW this could be done, but I just know it should be the case).
*ROTFL*
Math, are you trying to eat a bullet for the Town? What the heck are you doing fully claiming all your role details?? I mean, I concede that you obv!Towned more than I could have ever hoped for, but you also put a BIG RED X on your back.
@Dodge:
Wrong again, my friend. Let's say (and this is strictly a hypothetical proposition) that SD achieved their win con by the start of D3. This tells us both their drafts were scum and thus if the game doesn't end here already then we have ONE scumster to be looking for. If SD does NOT get locked by the start of D3, then AT LEAST one of their drafts is Town, if not both, or we may start suspecting one of our own drafts is scum. You can do the math for if Scum achieve their win con by the END of D3, or the beginning of D4, but the point is both brands have everything to do with each other.
@Dodge:
OK, so I've gone through your ISO from D1 starting at the top of page 12 until the EoD, and I fail o recognize a question directed at us, except the one when you asked if you missed anything after having fantasized a hypothetical conversation with us (which I found entertaining, btw).
Ok, call me dumb and please restate pr rephrase your question.
I did at one point during your interaction with him. I had the feeling he was Towning it up. But then came the "Where did they claim?" vs "I know what post you're referring to." thing and these two posts were only separated by 3 minutes, so I retracted my Town lean on them at that point.In post 707, MathBlade wrote:@Almost Chara -- I won't shoot til you get everyone's input.
Do you townread Dodge?
TBH, I'm not sure enough about Dodge's alignment. I would rather Mal or LUV be the target of the vig shot, but then it's YOUR shot, and I have no strong reason to stop it from being directed at Dodge either. I mean, I WOULD have stopped it if it was on you, Nero, Vifam or Nero (and I have a problem with Nero Scum reading Vifam here, but that can wait bc neither looks like being lynched/vigged today).
@Vifam/Malpascp:
Are you guys ignoring me or what? If you have reason not to comply to my request at least say so so we know whom we are waiting for and whom we're not. Thanks in advance.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here.In post 634, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Yes, you're damn right I called myself the most protown voice this thread has. I can hear your laughter Nero, deal with it.
In my mind, Nero would be laughing ONLY if he IS Town, because what you say (you being "the most protown voice") sounds ridiculous to TOWN!Nero.
If he is Scum though, while he might still be laughing there's nothing for him to be "dealing with" because he already knows you're Town.
So, are you saying Nero is Town and will have to deal with your green flip, or are you -as numerously declared everywhere- Scum reading him?? <- this is obviously a rhetorical question that doesn't need to be answered. It is to make a point that the phrasing makes it more likely that you think Nero is Town, which -in turn- makes you Scum for your push on him. EVEN if you somehow flip Town, then you certainly are NOT playing "pro-Town".
IF you're Town, the right thing to do is leave a detailed read list with reasoning.. do the best that you can, so when you do flip green people might want to consider it. If you're being Scum read generally nobody's going to consider anything you say while you're alive anyway.In post 752, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Again, why should I discuss things with you when you aren't actually reading my posts? How is that helpful to the town? I would have loved to have a nice discussion about my reads that you could take into the next day phase, but repeatedly you've shown no interest in bettering your reads so...
However, your responses and arguments are making me think you are stalling no more. This post I'm quoting cannot be coming from a Town mindset that cares to solve the game and ensure the Town has a chance to win.
Furthermore, I'm telling you Nero is Town. Math is telling you Nero is Town. You may not trust me, but you sound like you do trust Math blade is Town. You should thus reconsider your unreasonable and unsubstantiated Scum read on Nero, or -at least- provide a read list with Nero as Scum and another with Nero as Town.
As for my comment that you said it could not have come from Town.. guess what? It just did. I checked the time stamp on both your posts, and found they were only 3 minutes apart. I struggle to see how you looked up something that you didn't even know what it was in 3 minutes. Sure, if it was said that Almost crumbed something when he said "yadda yadda" then 3 minutes is good enough to search for the "yadda yadda" text. But when it's vague and doesn't mention what I said to begin with you are looking for something you have to read and comprehend first and then type up your response, and I find it hard to do so in 3 minutes. Maybe I'm a slow reader AND a slow typist (in fact I know I am) but still I doubt it can be done.
Math said it was had to do in 15 minutes, but there were no 15 minutes between your posts. There were no 10 minutes either. There were only THREE minutes between them.
Now let me tell what I'm thinking right now: by post #761 you must either be a pathetic Town player who has decided to punish the Town because they thought he was scum, OR a GOOD Scum player who decided to shut off discussion to cover for his buddies. O really have no way to figure out which w/o you flipping and with your continuous brushing of any attempt Math has provided you to engage them in a positive way.
I'll continue catching up, but I wanted you to know how your attitude strikes me at this very moment.
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God damn it! This is scary.In post 785, DodgeTheSaint wrote:You need to specifically kill me. I'm not having my mislynch hang over the town in MyLo or LyLo. Even if someone convinces you I'm town you still have to do it I'm afraid.
I mean, a Jester needs to die by LYNCH, not a Vig shot. I only saw a Jester in action once anyway, and it wasn't even on MS, so I don't think that's what it is.
I was a Martyr once and I had to e NK'd to win. There was no Day Vig in that game though.
Yet, somehow I'm starting to get the feeling Dodge wants to be shot on purpose, and I can't think of either a Town motive or a Scum motive behind it, but I also find it hard to believe Kuroi would use a generic 3P role in this setup.
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You can't be serious. I mean, I'l count it as your pick, but I can't see how you could possibly scum read BOTH Nero AND Mathblade when they're the only two players actually doing any scum hunting a all! Without them we would have probably failed to produce 15 pages since the game started!!!
So you say. I'll hold you to that in a bit.In post 797, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:This is bull. AC is skating by and the lynchable and unlyncable talk is busy work.
Kmd, my friend.. let me simplify matter for you:In post 799, Kmd4390 wrote:Splitting up smackdown's masons is a horrible idea FOR SMACKDOWN. It doesn't hurt this game though. It helps because we are getting a town player. Their ability is doing nothing for us anyway as long as they are in smackdown.
If Maria+Peptom are Town Masons (and I'm inclined to believe their claim bc I was TRing Maria even before the claim) then one of them is probably going to get NK'd tonight (if for nothing else then to break their combined power). Agreed so far?
Now, let's say I decide to draft one of them here. In this case I'd be giving the SCUM an option NOT to shoot either of them and go for someone else, while we still have no "mod confirmation" of the alignment of either, thus those who scum read them will continue to do so, and all we would have achieved is break their power.
That OR, scum can shoot them BOTH in one go, seeing as the drafting process is PUBLIC and it PROCEEDS the night action, so technically we will enter the night with one of them in RAW and he other in SD and there's absolutely nothing to stop Scum on both sides from targeting the duo at the same night.
You have to "think like a scum" if yo want to catch scum and/or trump their moves.
Now, tell me again why I should consider drafting a Mason tonight in light of the above mentioned reasoning, and I may start listening.
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@Math:
I forgot to respond to this:I canNOT make Nero undraftable today. I already did that yesterday, and I can't pick the same person twice in a raw.
Anyway, I'm starting to get the feeling Ms Columbo & McMenno won't be responding to me regarding this, and LUV has explicitly expressed his disliking of the idea, so.. shoot at will.
Unlynchable:
Ms. Columbo -
Pepchoninga –Kmd4390
Kmd4390 –pepchoninga
Almost Chara -Nero Cain
McMenno -
Lil Uzi Vert -
Mathblade -Nero Cain
DodgeTheSaint -Vifam
Vifam -Lil Uzi Vert
Nero Cain –Almost Chara
Malpascp -Mathblade
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Pepchoninga -Mathblade+Nero Cain
Kmd4390 -Malpascp+Mathblade
Almost Chara -Lil Uzi Vert+Malpascp
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Mathblade -Pepchoninga+DodgeTheSaint
DodgeTheSaint -Nero Cain+McMenno
Vifam –McMenno+Kmd4390
Nero Cain -Lil Uzi Vert+DodgeTheSaint
Malpascp -Lil Uzi Vert+McMenno
Oh, also.. it'd be Titus or Tywin (someone who has a "tie" at the start of their username :lol) that we're drafting today. Can you like, not fight too much with your sister though? I mean, THAT is my one worry there, as I'm Town reading BOTH of you.
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In post 822, Almost50 wrote:OK.. HOLD ON YOUR SHOT, MATH.
I will -once again- try to not be a total ass about it. We clearly still hold the majority here, so it should be a Town motivated draft even if scum are trying to direct it.
IMPORTANT: NO OTHER OPTIONS ARE VALID BUT THE ONES YOU ARE GIVEN BELOW.
1- Draft MariaR with Pepto as the backup pick
2- Draft Titus with Tywin as the backup pick
I vote (2), and I know at least Math agrees, but I'll let them cast their vote on their own. (And especially so when the alternative is Titus whom Math is also suspicious of, so for Math it's a choice between 2 evils. Sorry about that. ).
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No you won't. It's an either/or, and your vote counts towards Titus being the draft pick, so it's 2-2 now.In post 831, malpascp wrote:Keeping MariaR and Pepto on SD is the towniest move for them. If that leads to dead scum on SD, it also decreases the chance of scum to be drafted into RAW. So no, don't draft the masons.
Pedit: tbh I also don't know who to draft from SD, will take another look at their thread
The reason I had to make it an either/or and not an open vote is if you look at who is lynchable and who is not so far you will find:
McMenno @ 3-0 for their lynch
LUV @ 3-1
Mal & Dodge @ 2-0 each
Math @ 2-1
Nero @ 2-2
Pep & Kmd @ 1-1 each
Almost & Vifam @ 0-1 each
and Columbo not getting a mention yet.
Notice anything?? The MAXIMUM we can get an agreement is THREE (out of 11 players) and that's with TWO votes each.
You may also check yesterday's draft discussions with almost every single person having their own preference and some threatening one thing or another if we draft X or Y.
In sum, if we consult everyone and let them choose from a pool of 9 wrestlers alive in SD we are likely to get a pool of 6-8 picks with the leading pick having no more than 2 votes for. I hope you understand what I'm getting at, but hanks for the feedback anyway
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@Dodge:
How about your read on massive? Do you have one?
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I hereby PROMISE I will NEVER play a game with my original account at the same time I'm playing with my hydra!! I can't believe I'm making so many hydra slips when I'm using TWO DIFFERENT BROWSERS (Well, I'd still be using Almost50 for the hydra PT anyway...)In post 855, Almost50 wrote:
Please choose between the provided two options. Unless you mean to tell me you're scum reading all 4 of them!!In post 842, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:zefiend
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Oh! I didn't know Tywin flaked. That would very much pose a problem there indeed.In post 858, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
I believe the claim so I see no reason to break up the masons.In post 855, Almost50 wrote:
Please choose between the provided two options. Unless you mean to tell me you're scum reading all 4 of them!!In post 842, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:zefiend
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But what if they were limited shots, say 2X?? Would that change the situation/read for you??In post 843, MathBlade wrote:Because I find it very unlikely a mod would put in a town one shot vig, a town doctor/killer, AND infinite shot vig masons.
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Just a FYI, if I've learned anything about Math's play as either alignment in any given game it's they NEVER "follow" anyone. I mean NEVER. They always have their own thoughts, their own logic and their own reads.In post 856, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Because I'm gonna be very annoyed if after having to suffer through your grandstanding is that I'll be watching you continue to follow Nero and AC on Day 3.
Ok, let's play a little game. Let's pretend that I Town read you and you Town read me back. Now give me your top 3 Scum reads in this brand with proper and sufficient reasoning (I'll even let you decide the definition of "proper" and "sufficient"). You think you can do that?
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Also, reading this again I see you see it my way. Doesn't that give you a pose or an urge for second thoughts?In post 858, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I believe the claim so I see no reason to break up the masons.
I mean, Scum!Me would certainly want to execute the Masons, and we have even been provided with "an out" to do it. I we're Scum them it's likely the Masons aren't really Masons. so, why do you choose to believe they are indeed Masons while simultaneously being suspicious of our slot?
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Once again, this is a HORRIBLE stance IF you are Town. You should ONLY want to be lynched/vigged if it benefits the Town if you have Town win con. Are you a Super Saint or a Vengeful Townie by any chance? I mean, THAT could be it, and would make your persistence on getting Vigged understandable and even plausible.In post 861, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Also I literally want no other outcome than you shooting me, so please stop with the 'woe is me he's trying to scare me into not shooting him' nonsense. No, I'm trying to shame you into playing better. I don't use the word shame to make you feel bad, I use it to make a point because you've stuck yourself into a confirm bias spiral.
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I don't, and I have systematically promoted the opposite. It's not even implied in my argument directed at LUV.In post 885, DodgeTheSaint wrote:Why does AC know that mafia on this brand would know who the mafia on the other brand are?
What I'm saying is if we are inclined to believe Maria + Pepto are Town Masons with multiple Vig shots it'd be best for SCUM to break that bond.
On the other hand I can now see that it might not be the case if Scum believe the Masons' next Vig target is likely to be Town as well, so it's one more reason for me to draft in Tywin/Tius (and right now we have 3 votes in favour of that couple and 2 in favour of the Masons).
Hmmm.. Grey may work for me, but I recall someone strongly objected to that one on D1. I just can't remember whom that was.
Tywin is a sure success if we decide to draft him, because he was massive's undraftable pick on D1, so he WILL be available today. The problem is LUV says he flaked site, and we have no idea how good a payer his replacement will be. I mean it's not "just" about Town reading your draft, but how good they are so that they can actually give you a boost in trying to solve the puzzle, providing accurate reads and being able to promote them successfully leading to the right lynches. I know Titus can don that, and we all know massive is very likely to draft Nero today.
Are the likes of McMenno & Ms Columbus still playing, btw?? They're the only ones -aside from LUV- who didn't respond to my first request and they also have not given an indication on whom they think we should draft. In fact, they haven't posted at all since I asked!
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@Math:
You cannot be the NK AND the draft. This is how it works though:
After we achieve our lynch (or Vig in today's case) this thread will be put in a Twilight phase, during which we send the mod our undraftable pick as well as the two draft pick in order (We will always draft the first one unless they ARE the undraftable player of the day, in which case we will automatically draft the second choice).
After that, Vince (Kuroi) will post on both threads telling you guys who was undraftable on either brand and who got drafted. THIS ends the twilight phase and starts the night phase.
So, until the drafting process is completed and announced I don't think anyone can submit a night action because it is technically not yet the night phase.
Also, it'd be TYWIN, but I seriously doubt massive is going to draft you over Nero. We shall see.
Btw, Tywin last posted on this site less than 36 hours ago. that's not flaking. He wouldn't even be due a prod if the SD thread was open!
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