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Also, im gonna be looking for that person that stole my ace of hearts from just in front of me without taking the card spy card so we can collaborate for towns benefit. When that Ace trump comes, ill be your faithful town companion that can tell you whats coming in the deck (this is me lobbying to be neighbourised).-
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Ok here we go. Vekna catching up post after a busy weekend.
first a question to the mod: The opening post says the deck only consists of 42 cards. Is that a typo that is meant to say 52/51? Or what happened to the other 9 cards? Or does this mean that only the cards that -werent picked- are leftover in the deck? I thought the game signup thread said there were 2 decks, one with cards to pick from, and an identical copy where the trumps are coming from [edit: answered in thread allready, nm]
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Just posting this now so I dont accidentally hit refresh or some crap and loose it all. Part 2 incoming-
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Part 2 of vekna's immensely impressive reads he's gathering while catching up
Also damn, the last 10 pages were mostly boring drivel.
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Where im at right now:
Would love to lynch right now: Jackal, Drone, Davesaz
Would probably also join bandwagons on (but prefer these less): Transcend, uzi, any lurker shit
People that are probably town: Creature, drealmerz, rb - did i forget someone? maybe.-
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My guess would be its scum that went for the vig and fruit vendor roles, maaaybe combined with docs to save their limited numbers......while its a lot more beneficial and logical from town to get investigative roles to find the few scum members in the large pile.
Scum have quite a lot of townies they need to kill, I doubt theyre going to be relying solely on town doing the job for them and just their factional kill.-
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I dont know Titus, but from what Ive read she's a decent player.....decent enough to realize having the information is more beneficial for scum. So my point is that I think she's scum for digging up the information. In other words, im disagreeing with your assesment that its NAI and I think it IS most likely scum allignment indicative.In post 928, Vedith wrote:So your argument is that it's more pro scum... And I'm saying it's NAI on Titus to do it.
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This is just standard mafia lines throwing shade on 3 potential townclears lol.In post 946, Transcend wrote:
I like uIn post 940, davesaz wrote:Cards don't predict alignment, they only help narrow the pool. If someone acts scummy then it should supercede the cards.
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The same applies to you. Except for that boring textbook case of shit game theory where you apply some system to magically conjure the scumteam.In post 1019, davesaz wrote:
You've said nothing about the why, and very little about anything else.In post 1008, Vedith wrote:I'm voting McScumbag because he's scum.
How about you go do that? Scumbucket.
VOTE: Vote Transcend-
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Actually I wanna see more trump cards to play with my 2 boring cards.
Can we like speedgame this and just hammer a scum already? Everyon seems to be thinking along the same lines, lots of union and lovey-dovey carebearing.
dayphases lasting more than a fucking week are an abomination, and we dont appear to have that many lurkers in this game to make it a nessacity.-
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Whats up buddy, still some teammates u have that still need to activate their abilities?In post 1032, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling I know where Titus is going with all this information she's been collecting so I'm not okay with ending the day anytime soon. I'd also like to hear more from a few slots.-
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In post 1042, Titus wrote:
You really want to silence Magna don't you?In post 1037, Vecna wrote:
Whats up buddy, still some teammates u have that still need to activate their abilities?In post 1032, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling I know where Titus is going with all this information she's been collecting so I'm not okay with ending the day anytime soon. I'd also like to hear more from a few slots.
And what grand spectacle is it exactly that youre expecting from this magna fellow?-
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Not often I get told off with actual relevant show quotes. Well playedIn post 1045, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
Settle down, Beavis. This is only going to hurt for like a minute or something.In post 1037, Vecna wrote:
Whats up buddy, still some teammates u have that still need to activate their abilities?In post 1032, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I have a feeling I know where Titus is going with all this information she's been collecting so I'm not okay with ending the day anytime soon. I'd also like to hear more from a few slots.-
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Who is dave?In post 1052, Transcend wrote:Dave is town-
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Oooh look at you trying to win my affections with cute cuddlenames. Dont worry titus, even though I said mean stuff about you being the card CIA, you can still ask for a hug and ill have no problem giving some premium internet care.
Also right, that is dave. maybe sometime soon he'll make enough of an impact in this game that ill remember his name.
Also, I dont really care too much for the three leading wagons. How about you come all vote alongside me for this dave fellow-
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Like, how can you guys not scumread shit like this?In post 1088, davesaz wrote:Let's just say my avi is representative of RL.
In order to think, there must be something to think about.
Out of almost 1100 posts, maybe 50 meet that definition.-
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If you use it on me every time you can activate it youre forgiven for your trespasses.
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I care not for your self-provided meta.In post 1095, davesaz wrote:
Let's flip that. Someone'sIn post 1092, Vecna wrote:
Like, how can you guys not scumread shit like this?In post 1088, davesaz wrote:Let's just say my avi is representative of RL.
In order to think, there must be something to think about.
Out of almost 1100 posts, maybe 50 meet that definition.everypost isbrutallyhonest. How can you scumread it?
I get caught as scum because I can't lie effectively.
Every post you have posted just screams scummy scummy scummy to me. Youre hiding behind crap reasons for why your participation is almost non-existant and limited to game theory or moaning about the quality of this game.-
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You probably would out it as a precaution if you were scum though transcend, just to avoid the annoying questions in case you get card-copped. You'd know you'd get away with it too, which evidently is accurate.
At any rate, im more interested in the people that were defending you for the pick without reason. White knighting to pocket people with the added benefit of keeping that passive in play by keeping you alive......-
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What makes you think that exactly?In post 1126, Creature wrote:And I think SpyreX and Vecna are most likely twin scum.-
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The mod confirmed in the signup thread that scum did have chat during and before draft
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Ugh, I always get weirded out when people i heavily scumread return the favor by townreading me and dont even attack me for any of my shitIn post 1144, davesaz wrote:6 - rb - Town
9 - Creature - Nulltown
14 - Jackel98 - Nullscumlurker
26 - MariaR - Weak town
42 - Vedith - Scum
77 - kraska77 - Weak scum
3141592653 - Titus - Town
4 - MagnaofIllusion - Null leaning scum
4 - Transcend - Weak town
5 - gerryoat - Null leaning town
5 - Fishythefish - Null
11 - davesaz - Town
11 - Kison - Null leaning scum
13 - gigabyteTroubadour - Weak town
13 - Maxous - Null
17 - drealmerz7 - Undecided
17 - Drone - Null
2 - Vecna - Weak town
2 - Dunnstral - Null
2 - SpyreX - Null
12 - McMenno - Null leaning scum
12 - Lil Uzi Vert - Weak town
12 - Vifam - Null leaning town
Some of the nulls have not said enough, others have posts but I haven't focused there enough to read.[/spoiler]-
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I actually agree with this and can get behind speedlynching this shit. Thank you for reminding me of the shit I found so annoying in the first 20 pages while catching up.In post 1156, rb wrote:Alright listen up you tuppeny fucks, the cut of your collective jib is utterly jiveless - I'm done shitposting now. Everyone in my neighbourhoods is going to sheep me as it's patently obvious that I'm town.
In these Large Theme games, the Day 1 lynch is fucking ALWAYS some highly active but awkward as fuck townplayer whose wagon gets pushed along by scum - scum who dick around and half lurk, half troll because it's a 23 player game and you get to blend in with the amount of lurkers and ADHD trolls that occupy the game.
For reference, see Gistou, Dragon Age Mafia, Dota 2 Mafia - Day1 lynches are all on awkward but active town, and they seemingly just keep getting talked into a hole (Like Uzi).
I've completed a bunch of games with Uzi - he's town. He's so fucking awkward, but he's town. Get off this wagon and start lynching one of MariaR or Vedith.
These large games are not vanity wagon friendly and they're not collective decision friendly, you need to cut your losses and be willing to make good votes even if you're a bit 'iffy' - fucking no one has GOOD reason to townread either Vedith or MariaR right now, and their cutesy bullshit (especially the avatar stuff Vedith is doing) is absolutely 100% worthy of a fucking flashwagon in a Large Theme game like this.
Stop throwing the game, and vote with me.
VOTE: MariaR
VOTE: MariaR-
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Ill also gladly join in on Drone or Jackel. Have seen too little on Gerry/Mcmenno and I dont see the spyrex = scumIn post 1190, Transcend wrote:It's too early to decide a lynch rn.
Wagoning people is the next best step.
I'd wagon in this pool. {SpyreX, Drone, Jackel, Gerry, McMenno}-
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I approve of and fully second this post. + medium townpoints for you sir.In post 1216, MagnaofIllusion wrote:Also - if you somehow are Town and have access to Govern you had better NEVER, EVER use it. I don't care that you think you are God's gift of scum-hunters. I mean literally the only circumstance where you should even consider it is you have an Innocent result (with no chance of a Godfather active) on someone about to be lynched and then just claiming the innocent is more Pro-Town given we'd be wasting a lynch.-
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According to the card description the governor just stops the lynch, it doesnt redirect it to someone.In post 1222, Creature wrote:
Scum: Oh look, it's LyLo and the governor is activated *governs lynch to town and wins*In post 1218, Maxous wrote:and why is that such a priority?-
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Maybe keep your alt out of this thread then to avoid confusion?In post 1245, Titus wrote:
The DEO is my alt slips dude. You really are scum.In post 1243, Vecna wrote:What this game also really needs is that person called THE DEO to start doing something. If he were any further under the radar he'd be a confirmed dolphin-
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You always used to do this, what changed?In post 1259, rb wrote:I never explain townreads fishy.-
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Over-defensive much?In post 1272, drealmerz7 wrote:the Day just started in a 23 player game, and rb giving me shit for not being comfortable voting currently?
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Ive also seen you single handedly throw a game to scum by townreading scum (hint that scum was me )In post 1304, rb wrote:It's very weird how you've seen me singlehandedly destroy an entire scumteam but insist my style is 'ego'
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For those of you that were in the death note mafia with me, you will realize WHY im making this case and WHY im most likely correct on what im about to post. Scum in this game are vastly outnumbered number wise and potentially facing a shit-ton of investigative roles. Looking over the cards, it quickly becomes obvious that to KILL you need information. Information regarding the cards that other people have. Scum will have to kill. A LOT. to be able to win this game.
I would not be surprised if scum drafted the following:
Card-cops
Stealth/Rotalty vigs
Fruit-vendors
All cards that provide this information or become very strong if you have the information regarding what people have.
So how do you get this information to perform your kills? You become the wisdom of this game. That little sneaky fucker that finds an excuse and tries to provide town reasons as to why we should all be claiming information about our cards. Im sad that I was afk over the weekend so I could not put a stop to this, but this little information farming that TITUS has been doing has already provided scum with a ton of information. Just the act of being able to make this diagram and to know among which people certain cards are present will allow scum to activate all their killing abilities with much more information. Information that will only increase over the duration of the game. Dont forget they have 5 people hiding in that diagram. With every kill or cardcop usage they can also gain more information. Now, lets go over all the little information farming Titus has been doing.
- 16 the start of his "innocent" bullshit. Massclaim the number, whats wrong with that right? Can do no harm etc etc. "it gives scum no info" LIES. It lets scum know which people are better kill targets. "it makes lies harder". How does it do that exactly?
- 26 Yes, lets have people claim specific cards right off the bat for the stealthvigs to target them and fill in more parts of the puzzle
- 40 Look, a vote on creature, based on suspicions of a certain card. Again prodding for information. Afraid of those bulletproofs are we?
- 52 Again prodding for information on whether someone has hated
- 85 Here Maria shadily utters the idea of a massclaim and Titus echoes it. Also notice how Titus is defending maria now. Scum buddies with a plan? Notice how Titus has allready thought of stages of information gathering.
- 97 "ok, thanks for claiming a card, ill put it in my scum chart."
- 137 attacking people that oppose the mass-claim plan
- 234 Slowly getting us into the idea that we only claim number, but not the actual cards.
- 244/246 just further examples of the obsessiveness with what cards people have.
- 263 People that disagree with giving out the information get voted and painted as scum
- 279 Using site meta as an argument why people need to claim certain cards
- 354 More examples of slowly easing people into this way of thinking.
- 568 Asking people to consolidate on the top wagons at that point. Yet later when I propose to speed things up, she feels the need to subtly provide two reasons why my asking for it is strange. (silencing magna, being on a solo wagon).
- 653 656 And here comes the cat out of the bag it appears. Now were suddenly well beyond claiming card numbers and mcmenno has to claim his missing card. Need to look into who suggested the reveal first for probable teammates.
Hmmmm I was definately going somewhere with this, but im not sure yet if my suspicions are enough after rereading it. Maybe im just biased since I have a rather big hatred for people fishing for information on such a grand scale in setups where it benefits scum so much.-
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VOTE: Titus Fuck it, time to shake stuff up.
People are townreading Titus for no reason at all while what she's doing is super harmfull to town.
Other notes: People need to be way more carefull with claiming their cards or even suggesting it. Im quite sure I can quite accurately guess all 3 of RB's cards at this point, and if I can, so can scum and kill him with no problem whatsoever (assuming he isnt scum himself thats unafraid, but I doubt it).
Need to look more into other people that were suggesting this massclaim, as it became clear from going through the ISO that it wasnt just Titus.-
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