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These are good questions. I was assuming that it was one kill not two, but in retrospect two makes more sense.In post 1719, Cerberus v666 wrote:@FA: is that kill flavor on vifam indicative of one sort of kill, or two?
Also, would vifams gunsmith have worked on the individual with the katana/explosives/biological warfare?
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I'm caught up and stuff now. I think things about people.
Maybe it's because there were so many posts in such a short period of time and I'm reading it after the fact, but I don't really see the Masters being in a position where I would call them responsible for the lynch. They weren't really even involved at the end. Some examples of what you think Nacho did that made them the driving force for this wagon would be appreciated.
I'm split on scrub. His posts are extremely reactionary and he doesn't seem to be scumhunting. But a quick meta dive revealed that that isn't indicative of either town or scum for him. I'm leaning scum as it seems like he's putting in less effort to finding scum then in some of his other games, and I think playing scum is harder then playing town which would be a problem in a game this dense. But that's largely circumstantial so eh.
People think things about Rach. I have to admit that I skimmed a lot of stuff while catching up, and that included Rach.-
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Insulting, I'm not even on there.
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Maybe, but unlikely. I'm not sure why scum would think that trying to reduce the number of posts will help them in a game this large, there's lots of other people to carry on the conversation still.In post 1781, pisskop wrote:idk. just interesting. the scum value shutting down discussion over prhunting?-
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In post 1785, MathBlade wrote:I think it is Kraska Rach SpyreX and Kraska are all some kind of nefarious entity.
That means I'm included on the above list right?In post 1786, MathBlade wrote:Mirhawk*-
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Maybe, but not sure. Whats the point of separate kill flavors if people are identified as having guns when they make their kills without them?In post 1793, pisskop wrote:
gunsmiths detect mafia as positive no matter what. They also detect cops as holding, and some other killy roles like vigs.In post 1791, kraska77 wrote:hey huh thats weird
gunsmith wouldnt detect katana or explosives? if those two were scum kills then what even is the point of the gunsmith
gunsmith is a weaker cop
I probably wouldn't make the assumption that all scum have guns in this game.-
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Not to be pissy about this but you realize I was only actually gone for what? Three and a half days? I thought I'd have lots of time to catch up. Turns out I didn't.In post 1803, SpyreX wrote:Ohh wow lukers making light of it im sorry dgb
VOTE: mirhawk
Ohh god an.effort post coming-
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Weak tea. Neither of those are explicitly scummy. Even added together its barely even meh.In post 1818, SirCakez wrote:Guys join the masters wagon
Look at how they entered the thread
They didn't even acknowledge the maker flip or the wagon forming on them
If you're looking for something on Masters that I'll listen to talk about how they were strongarming the wagon yesterday. I still don't really see how they're any more guilty of that then several other people who were pushing that wagon.-
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Yeah so I went over Imperiums ISO as well as Masters and I'm not entirely sure what you're saying is similar about them. Its not the day two reaction thing you were saying is classic Nacho seeing as how Imperium died night one. Imperium spent a lot more time fluffposting and stalled having an opinion by spending a lot of time talking about snarky. Not really the same vibe as Masters.
That being said I did notice in reading Masters ISO that they aren't maybe as squeaky clean as I had thought. They are seemingly not very committed to either the Rach or Maker wagons (the rach wagon in particular feels poorly justified which is maybe odd seeing as how they were okay with flipping back to it at any time) and they have a suspicious pencheit for defending House (and to a lesser extent scrub).
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The first half of this statement is incorrect, the second half is true.In post 1865, SirCakez wrote:One of the main people, if not the main people. They barely considered alternatives.-
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God. Why didn't you just tell me what to look at specifically in the first place.In post 1865, SirCakez wrote:It's how they forced the wagon to Waco and shot down any alternatives that's the big similarity I'm seeing
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To be fair both your and my thoughts on this are really more opinions then facts. In either case I don't really feel that Masters did very much to push Makers wagon really. They actually felt kinda waffley the whole time. They stated more then once that they would rather be voting Rach, and I was under the impression they only flipped to Maker to suit some of their townreads.In post 1873, SirCakez wrote: How is it incorrect?
No big.In post 1871, Mirhawk wrote: I thought it was obvious, mb-
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I find Drixx kinda scummy (mostly due to some of House's behavior near the beginning of the game though) but I also think you're a little off base on that.In post 1981, Nero Cain wrote:
I think a town one would claim/not use their action.In post 1769, Cerberus v666 wrote:Drixx is a town poison doc.
Drixx is part of a scum ream which has a poison doc/protection of some sort, ehich he may be the possessor of.
Drixx IS the poisoner.
So the other 2 are more likely.
If either scum had a poisoner or if there was a third party poisoner I don't think they would fakeclaim Poison doc. Doing so would only leave them open to a possible CC from an actual poison doc, which they would know could exist in the game due to their own role being in the game.
Which means if Drixx is fakeclaiming poison Doc, it's likely that there is no actual poisoner in the game.
It also means that Lynching Drixx is pointless. There will eventually be a poisoner kill, which will to a certain extent prove their role. If after two or three nights there have been no poison kills we can safely assume it was a bullshit claim and he's scum.-
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Frozen Angel confirmed that the kill on Vifam was a single kill.In post 2009, PJ. wrote:As far as I am concerned the possibilities for at least 1 of our dead mans are - 2 different bad guys in the neighborhood(kraska may or may not be their buddy), 1 bad guy in neighborhood and kraska bomb passive, 1 random shot and kraska bomb passive, 2 random shots on the same guy.
I don't think math is scum. Kraska could be. But we can save that for later and test any claim, I want to start with cleaning up the neighborhood of either mirhawk or davesaz. Both are lurking, both had inside info on vifam.
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Why didn't you claim this day one? You weren't really doing anything that made me think you were trying to draw a scumkill either.In post 2045, kraska77 wrote:anyway im a 2 shot pgo, vigging me isnt an option like i said so lynch me today.
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I actually find Cakez rather towny.
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My own reaserch on beebops flavor (I had to look it up, it's been so long since I saw it it makes me feel old) leads me to believe the katana kill was likely groupscum and was performed by Vicious. Who is kinda the big bad. His subordinates likely use guns.In post 2066, PeregrineV wrote:
Jason would give each person with a killing ability different flavor, so you could know if the same person did the kill.In post 2057, PJ. wrote:Well yeah, flavor, let's break the game with it, because it's important. Or the kills wouldn't be seperated like that.
But, despite any wording, they were all standard kills blocked by bulletproof or detectable by Gunsmith.
I bring this up since we already had a Gunsmith flip.
The gun vig kill could have been the cowboy dude (whatisname), but realistically it could have been any number of characters from the show.
I'm not sure about the explosives/biological weapons as that doesn't really mesh with anyone.-
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There are not two kills on Vifam.In post 2104, Expedience wrote:
If kraska is lying, there has to be scum a, scum b, vigilante, serial killer, since there are two kills on Vifam. kraska being PGO makes much more sense.In post 2102, pisskop wrote:
What kill pattern?In post 2099, Expedience wrote:You don't believe kraska's claim?
It seems like the best way to explain the kill patterns.
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I see??In post 2106, PJ. wrote:I seriously think we should lynch mirhawk today, he seems scummiest of the 3 neighbors who's alignment I do not know. I think getting the scum out of the neighborhood should be the highest priority. I feel that kraska was scummy or whatever, but I feel that at best this is a town with backwards priority on a testable claim.-
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In post 2107, Skrub wrote:
I agree with all of thisIn post 2106, PJ. wrote:I seriously think we should lynch mirhawk today, he seems scummiest of the 3 neighbors who's alignment I do not know. I think getting the scum out of the neighborhood should be the highest priority. I feel that kraska was scummy or whatever, but I feel that at best this is a town with backwards priority on a testable claim.In post 2111, Skrub wrote:
Okay this is bad. It sounds like you're just desperate to lynch anyone who isn't you. Why would we lynch outside of the people in the PT?In post 2108, Expedience wrote:I don't have strong reads in the neighborhood, I think it would be safest to leave it for laterwhen we can lynch RachMarie or Nero now. Some of the neighbors are going to get picked off later, narrowing the pool.
Scrubs probably scum.In post 2124, Skrub wrote:VOTE: kraska
It's probably better to get Kraska first and if he flips scum then we can try to find out who her buddy is
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You realize this brings up the sum total of your content today to asking someone to join your townblock and a naked vote right?
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Oh nevermind I missed this.In post 2130, The Ascended Masters wrote:Kraska: What is your kill flavor? How many shots of PGO do you have remaining?
Vifam claiming to investigate Kraska overnight doesn't make Kraska scum so the votes there are fairly nonsensical. The rest of the neighborhood looks good to decent, Mirhawk looks horrible.
The votes on Kraska aren't nonsensical, your logic sucks. Kraska's kill flavor is pretty obviously bombs/biological weapons, the only way for it not to be is if Vifram was roleblocked before being killed.
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Confirmation of scum in the neighborhood only makes sense if Vifram WASN'T killed by the PGO. Which is probably not the case.In post 2132, The Ascended Masters wrote:Like I don't have a lot of time right now but the reasons for killing kraska seem like moonbeams when we have confirmed scum in the neighborhood. If your scumbuddy saw a town PR claiming to investigateanyone, friend or foe, wouldn't you kill the shit out of that town PR?
The PGO claim doesn't really make sense as a claim coming from scum in this position. I'll have more to say once kraska answers the previous questions.-
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The exact claim was Jet Black, Gunsmith. He then stated that he checked if people had guns.In post 2168, Cerberus v666 wrote:Actually.
Hey bebop members: what exactly did vifam claim? This is very important.
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Ja I feel you. I mostly just wanted to make a note of the fact that I'm finding Cakez pretty town. The bit with Expedience was actually kinda coincidental to that.In post 2185, Cerberus v666 wrote:Cakez alignment is irrelevant to whether expediences protection feels odd or not.
If scum, defending buddy.
If town, white knighting.
Important thing is whether or not the protection makes sense etc.-
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At least you're up front about it.In post 2187, Nosferatu wrote:
Well I'm certainly not.In post 2176, Mirhawk wrote:Are you reading the game?
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I see it. Were there any named characters in that faction though? My knowledge about the flavor is mostly from reading up on the wiki, which game me some ideas about who it could be but I'm not totally sure.In post 2189, Cerberus v666 wrote:Pedit mirhawk, read my recent stream of consciousness wall, I sorta identify who thr explosives/bio weapon faction is.
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Geez, I was hoping to come back and realize that the conversation had somehow evolved to something useful in the last couple days. But nope, it still sucks. I don't even want to read the interveneing pages becuase I'm almost certain nothing of note happened on them.
Has Kraska given any sort of reason for not warning that she was a PGO on day one? Or perhaps a reason her iso looks like she's trying to draw a visit from town more then scum? As far as I'm concerned if you're not going to try and draw a scumkill as a PGO you're kinda obligated to warn town about your role so you don't end up (for example) murdering the town gunsmith.
Also some of you guys seriously need to skim Scrubs iso's from some of his completed games, It's super obvious he's mailing it in here. He isn't a new player and apparently he actually does things like "actually look for scum" in his other games, even his scumgames. The only reason I can think of for him not doing so here is because he thinks he doesn't have to, which feels like a scum attitude because his current reads are garbage. His literal top scumreads are on lurkers FOR LURKING. So weak.-
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You have four scumreads as of a couple pages ago right? why are you scum reading those particular players.In post 2835, Skrub wrote:The most common complaint against me in my games is that I don't scum hunt enough. I always try to do it, but I guess I suck at doing it properly. I don't know how you can say I'm not scum hunting though when you and half the people in this game aren't doing anything at all. It's weak that your only attack against me is meta.
The thing I see in your meta that I don't see here is justification and you actually pushing your reads. The reads were what? Two lurkers, me (the lurkiest player in the neighborhood) and Kraksa (who I don't think I've ever seen you post reasons for thinking she's a good vote).
You account is an alt so I don't know if you get accused of that on your main, but you other games on this account do actually look like your trying to find scum. I just don't see that here, I feel that you're more just trying to look present.-
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I am judging you by your actual content this game. I'm also comparing it to your other completed games that you've played with the same account.
You never actually answered my question about your scumreads there. Seeing as how that would be something from this game that I'm asking you about why aren't you interested in that?
You seem rather defensive. You've spent most of the game making reactionary posts to players who have either criticized or voted you, why is that.-
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Your wagon is WELL shot of what it needs to go through. You've been defensive from the get go, even over one or two votes.
Your reasons for thinking dgb and Dandy are scum appears to be solely limited to one or two comments that they aren't posting much. The closest thing for a reason for PK seems to be.. omgus? You never actually explained anything for any of them.
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I'm not calling you defensive because you asked people why they voted for you. I'm calling you defensive because you've almost exclusively focused your conversation on people who are scumreading you or have expressed doubt for you.In post 2854, Skrub wrote:Asking people why they voted for you isn't being defensive. And if you're just going to say whatever crap you want and act like its fact then you shouldn't even bother posting. I've explained myself five times over
If I'm making stuff up then prove I'm lying, whining about it isn't going to make me go away.-
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I've lynched him before for not playing the way I thought he should be playing and have gotten burned for it. Also, Nacho does lurk sometimes.In post 2882, SirCakez wrote:This is super scummy. Nacho never lurks like this as town.
Putting it in huge text because they are being allowed to coast for no reason
I dunno, I don't feel like they're going to be lynched anytime soon, but they are being kind of scummy and there are so many lurksack vig targets that they'll never draw a NK from either scum or the vig. I would call them best either investigated or saved for later.-
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a) What I keep saying is that there is no evidence one way or the other to there being scum in the hood, the reason it keeps coming up in conversation is becuase I think its irresponsible how you're assuming that there is with no proof.In post 2903, MathBlade wrote:3) There is scum in our hood and Mirhawk keeps insisting it is not the case and posting terribad bullshit in there.
4) SypreX hard defended Kraska and Mirhawk ruined my reaction test because Mirhawk likely knew something was up.
b) Maybe next time you want to do a reaction test with information I have access to you should maybe, i dunno, tell me you're doing one instead of assuming I'm going to use my amazing mind reader powers to realize why you posted information that wasn't correct. Also seeing as how you're scumreading me for doing this I don't see why you keep acting like you got no information out of it.-
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What does this even mean?In post 2904, MathBlade wrote:There is no way that Skrub is a bus with all this people scum.
Realistically speaking I expect that there is likely at least one scum on the wagon, but It's not like the scum team are going to all bus at the same time.-
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That took longer to find then I thought.
In 1867 I confirmed that Vifam intended to check Kraska last night.
I posted it in response to Math's 1854 because Math implied that Kraska was likely guilty because Vifam had been scumreading Kraska. Whereas he had actually stated explicitly that he intended to check Kraska.
I thought Math had made a mistake so I corrected it, Math doesn't see it that way.-
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Dunno I personally find her ISO to be the most damning thing on her. She decides as a PGO to not claim D1 to try and draw scum, that's fine. Or it would be if she didn't spend day one looking like she was trying to get Vig killed. I mean what part of her day one looks like she's trying to draw a skumkill?In post 2912, Cerberus v666 wrote:A PGO claim D2 is bad, yes. Absolutely agreed. Anti-town as fuck.
But there is quite literally no other (good) reason for anyone to think they're scum, once people extricated their heads from their asses and realized there was no reason to assume scum within the pool of kraska+hood.-
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