The real folk blues [Canceled]

[Varsoon]

Perhaps youd like to share your role list.

I made that post in direct response to Cerb's post claiming that there was a PGO and a poison doc. That sort of shit isn't the kind of role I'm comfortable with in games that I design. Stuff like Poisoner, PGO, Poison-doc, etc. All that and my role are the roles I'm talking about. If people are going to scumread me on that alone, I'm not going to live long in this game. I don't want to replace out, either, because while my own posting and sensibilities run the risk of getting me lynched in any game, I've got the compounded issue that I haven't thoroughly read the last 100 pages nor have I been an active part of the bulk of this game's content. Perhaps a different player could come in, be active, and do my slot justice. However, I'm willing to eat rope for being a shitty player and I'm not going to just flake because I see this as an uphill battle.


Now that I'm replacing into this on my main, expect me to be around much more.
Sorry for not giving this game the attention it deserves.
If that deserves a lynch, then, sure, fuck it, drive me home, but I will tell you that my wagon is shit as of now. A bunch of wayward sheep, parroting a very poor reason for a scumread. If I generate content and people take umbrage with it, that's one thing, but otherwise? I'm not having it.

[Varsoon]

Why do you believe that, Skrub?
Also, are all the rest of your scumreads low-hanging fruit like me?
Why do you have the town-reads that you do and why do you have the scumreads that you do?
What has DGB and Kraska done that you think is for-a-fact scum?
Explain your spyrex, Davesaz, Sircakez, and klingoncelt reads, too.

P-EDIT:
I'm not going to conjure those out of thin air. Doing so would be arbitrary and self-serving. Fuck that. I'm going to focus on catching scum and if I eat rope or a bullet between now and a victory, that's on me. I'm not claiming my role or coming up with something to magically give you a townread on me.

You have to make the decision whether or not now is the time to push through a lynch on me. If you're town, does my play up to this point warrant me being lynched over everyone else? If you're scum, does my actual entry to the game provide enough of a threat that you need to push out a mislynch while I'm still an easy lynch to get?

Either way, I feel that lynching me now does town a disservice. Obviously, you can't know my alignment, so I could see you saying, "Shit, we might be letting scum-Varsoon wiggle his way out of this." Once again, I have to ask, "Is there really no one else you have a more informed scumread on?"

[Varsoon]

@Varsoon/Skrub - Vote Diamond with me! Lets make a real counter wagon that lynches scum!

Why? What has Diamond done that warrants a lynch?

[Varsoon]

My lurking was less a product of a conscious decision and more literally me not giving the game attention because of other IRL pursuits.
The prods that I received and my hydra replace-in should be indicative of this.
I appreciate the idea of trying to pressure these low content slots, but doing so with me at this point (and any prior) is fruitless. It's a waste of time and energy, because I literally was not here before and I am here now. Don't pat yourself on the back if I generate content--I am now doing so because the moderator has me at play-or-get-replaced status and because I realized my hydra wasn't working out.

[Varsoon]

Why? What has Diamond done that warrants a lynch?

He confessed to being scum.
Back in my day, being scum had a penalty of death.

I agree--it should warrant death. There's no reason for town to play that way. Can you show me where he confessed to this?

Varsoon stop defending yourself and start playing mafia. I know you enjoy rhetoric etc, which means letting you prattle on about yourself isn't going to help the game state, it will just get more and more muddled. Go be useful.

Look, ya cheese-eater, I'm going to write whatever I want. You don't govern me!
On the real, I think it's strange that you're framing my content as useless prattle but still positioning yourself as a source of encouragement.
I've been asking plenty of questions to try to get into the game.
What do you think is the most appropriate way to 'be useful'?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Skrub
I'll bite.

[Varsoon]

I'm sorry to remind you of that game. There was a dumb PGO poisoner in that, too. Poisoner is a dumb role. Don't put poisoners in your game. They're dumb.
Nacho can be a lurksack, though. I don't know if that's an alignment tell or just not alignment indicative null stuff. shrugs. I guess I don't put much stock in meta?
I didn't even realize he was hydra'ing here.

[Varsoon]

Oh shit that looks a lot like distancing guess my cover is blown gg.

But really, though, I'm going through these first 30 pages and I'm tempted to just pull a fucking klingoncelt and start replying to everything from days ago.

[Varsoon]

Why not your partner space dandied out.

Can you just look over the VCs and then read today?

Maybe look over TAMmy

I'm horrible at Vote count analysis. I need context. It's way more important for me to know what people wrote to justify their votes and where their sensibilities are in that regard. Especially if there's something like a role claim that shifts votes, y'know?

[Varsoon]

Oh shit that looks a lot like distancing guess my cover is blown gg.

Weird / scummy joke

Slayers gambit, got you, you're scum.

[Varsoon]

Oh, I specifically dodged it because I don't know. My reads on you and Drixx might be weird because I am used to seeing you both hydra'd up and having tons of communication before each post. Here, I've got to put that nudging gut meta shit aside because it's not helping me at all and it just has me seeing your play as a little too off-the-cuff and oddball, when I'm used to scum-cerb being deathly serious but this might be NAI, so eeeeh.

I'm still catching up.

[Varsoon]

I will be V/LA from Thursday, the 27th, to Tuesday, the 2nd.

[Varsoon]

I can always identify town Nero because he points those fangs on scum.
Unfortunately, that's usually because I'm scum.
Pagetop, though.

Poison Doc would make plenty of sense for a scum role, to be honest. As far as Drixx being lurky as scum, I think Drixx's activity has been lower in the last year just due to all the RL stuff he's been dealing with. I don't know if activity is a huge tell there like it might've been in the past.

[Varsoon]

Honestly, this game would benefit from us just cutting the chaff.
There are 28 people alive.
I signed up because I intended to play a 20 player game, not a 32 player clusterfuck.
I'm not comfortable playing in this setting. I don't shine. I don't perform. I just fail to produce anything of value.

That's why I'm voting Skrub. Cut the chaff. Destroy the liabilities. Hedge the game down to a manageable state.

[Varsoon]

Ugh two scum teams is the WORST.
Who was the claimed PGO again?
Can we just lynch them?

[Varsoon]

@Skrub:

I recognize the irony in me saying that, but I don't intend to be a liability. You're self-voting and claim to have given up entirely. If you're town, that's not who I want on my team in LYLO. You're scumreading me, which reflects that you have poor judgment, if town, as well. You need to claim--stop spouting these appeals and claim already.

@WhoeverWasAskingAboutFlavor:

I love this show and have seen it as recently as two years ago. The drug-running guy is in the first episode and is almost certainly an antagonist. He uses a drug that he sells called 'Red Eye' to enhance his perception and allow him to get high and to fight better. The protagonists are hunting him for his bounty, and his seemingly pregnant wife comes off as sympathetic until the end of the episode, where she tries to make a break for it and is shot down, revealing that she was very likely not pregnant and instead simply smuggling the drugs in a fake belly.

As far as a poisoner flavor goes, there are SEVERAL applicable characters, especially if the movie's flavor is a part of this game.

@SirCakez:

From the 4 town deaths so far, I can only assume we're in some shit show of a multiball, and, yeah, if we just lynch the weakest links and only scum survives, we get fucked because multiball is the shittiest thing you can do to a town playerbase what the fuck no one should ever run multiball games again they're garbage--BUT, if all of the chaff is town anyway, then we would lose because we are a weak town in a setup that favors scum.

[Varsoon]

Didn't someone claim a guilty on Diamond? Wasn't I told that?

[Varsoon]

Or, wait, was it that Diamond claimed scum?

[Varsoon]

Ah. Garbage, a VT claim.
VOTE: unvote

I could back a TAM lynch if that's what needs to happen. I'm not entirely comfortable with the speed and lynchmongering that happened in regards to the Skrub wagon. I'd also prefer if Skrub was a dead slot, because they are now an extreme liability.

[Varsoon]

Like i super dont want tam guys you're killing me here

Why not?

[Varsoon]

VOTE: TAM

Chaff, cutting, etc.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: TAM

Chaff, cutting, etc.

Well this is an unpleasant surprise. Since when have I become chaff?

You haven't done anything to make me confident in your alignment.
Other people wanna lynch you.
So there's that.

@Nero: Everyone that joined after me makes me question it, really. SpyreX, Expedience, etc.
There were a few people (can't recall) who were just like, "ALL ABOARD C'MON VOTE SKRUB" but weren't really laying out cases or

why

.

[Varsoon]

TAM is obviously scumfuck.

I mean, look at his profile pic. It's Vicious. Obv!scum

/s

Vicious would be an SK, if the flavor fit the bill.

[Varsoon]

You haven't done anything to make me confident in your alignment.
Other people wanna lynch you.
So there's that.

And you don't think that I'm worth a day of space? You think that "meh, I'm not sure he's town on Day 2 and other people want to lynch him so fuck it lets go"?

Gah, this just reminds me of the bargaining you've done in previous games.

[Varsoon]

I think you're a great player, but this reminds me of Saki.
I went back and read Saki just now, and you were town there, sooooo
VOTE: unvote

I'm trash.

Where do you think I should be focusing my efforts?

[Varsoon]

You guys aren't getting me to lynch TAM on D2.
There are more things to live for.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: tam

If he flips town, it's varsoon tomorrow. If he flips scum it's ds. Win win.

If he flips town, then I was right and you're lynch-lining loser.

[Varsoon]

Nothing about that makes sense. I specifically dropped off of TAM because I had second thoughts on his alignment and I realized his play here only reminded me of town games elsewhere.

[Varsoon]

Furthermore, I fail to see how a town flip leading to a lynch on another townie is a win-win. I fail to see how a town lynch is a win at all.
If he flips scum, why is DS the next target to hit?
Make some sense, panzer.

[Varsoon]

@Panzerjager:

Then your judgment is shit. I'm town, and I think TAM should be given at least a day to produce content.
If you followed the interactions at all, you would understand.
Instead, you're conf-biasing.
If I'm your strongest scumread, you don't deserve to be heard.

@Expedience:

VT claim doesn't do anything for the wagon. I was just hoping for a more substantial claim that would either solidify Skrub as town or make me sure he was scum. A VT claim is garbage, like I said. If town, Skrub is not a Vanilla liability that'll be kept around for Mislynch fodder as the scum hunts down our PRs. If scum, Skrub may have bought himself another day, but will need to be lynched anyway, so it's not a claim that helps at all and is only anti-town to have in the game thread.

I was voting Skrub because, out of the active players, I had the least reason to townread there. Skrub's play and reads struck me as floundering scum. What did you see as Skrub 'towntelling hard?'

[Varsoon]

EBWOP: Skrub is now a vanilla liability*

[Varsoon]

@Expedience: I wanted to pursue other things and the later votes on the Skrub wagon were leaving a bad taste in my mouth.
Speaking of pursuing other things;
VOTE: Kraska

[Varsoon]

Prod Dodge because vacation.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Nosferatu
I'm contributing!

[Varsoon]

@Aristophanes: Yeah, understandable. I've been on V/LA. I still am.

[Varsoon]

I wasn't gonna lynch Nacho.
Multiball is awful.
I'm never touching another mafia game larger than 21 players.
It's no fun for me to play as any alignment.
I messed up by not /outing right when this was decided to be a huge game.

That aside, I liked the flavor and mad props to the moderation for dealing with all of this.

[Varsoon]

I'm cool with a death flip having a flavored kill, like,
"Varsoon was poisoned and died on Night 1" and/or "Varsoon was shot on Night 1" instead of the usual "Varsoon was killed on Night 1."

That said, I'm less cool with the flavor writeups on flips and day-start having any mechanical significance.
If the fake-claims are good enough and the flavor information is irrelevant enough, you can work unflipped player flavor into the game flavor to reflect those players' actions and sensibilities, but it should just be flavor--nothing for a mechanical advantage.

When I read that flavor matters in a game, I think, "Oh, so if I'm Spike, I'll have a role that makes sense for Spike and might be a pretty strong role. I'm probably town since he's a protagonist, too" or, alternatively, I think, "Maybe scum has a way of punishing me if I flavor claim, utilizing unique mechanics." I do not think, "The flavor writeups are indicative of the game-state beyond simply saying who died."

[Varsoon]

Flavor was based on the way killers would kill and nothing else. I can't open this topic without exposing my setup and I don't want to.

<3
It's all fine.
I wasn't completely aware of that--some things can be done to make it more explicit.
I think that's what's important.
If players are meant to know information, the information should be very clear.

[Varsoon]

Looking at the death flips now, it seems only evident, to me, that the kill flavor indicates separate killers, but that's 'bout it.
If you want it to be clear which kills are coming from which scum team, etc, that's not something I was really able to pick up.