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Frozen. heh.
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Flavor. Let's break the game with it!!In post 2041, DiamondSentinel wrote:List of Types of Kills, for Bookkeeping.
- Explosives and Biological Weapons (I guess is 1? I dunno. But it seems that it's 1 based on what FA said)
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Jason would give each person with a killing ability different flavor, so you could know if the same person did the kill.In post 2057, PJ. wrote:Well yeah, flavor, let's break the game with it, because it's important. Or the kills wouldn't be seperated like that.
But, despite any wording, they were all standard kills blocked by bulletproof or detectable by Gunsmith.
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But not important enough to break the game.In post 2067, Cerberus v666 wrote:
Umm. FA already noted that the kills are different, and that the flavor is significant. We obviously don't know how they function with different forms of protection, but we do know that gunsmith would have only found those who have a gun, not just a killing ability.In post 2066, PeregrineV wrote:
Jason would give each person with a killing ability different flavor, so you could know if the same person did the kill.In post 2057, PJ. wrote:Well yeah, flavor, let's break the game with it, because it's important. Or the kills wouldn't be seperated like that.
But, despite any wording, they were all standard kills blocked by bulletproof or detectable by Gunsmith.
I bring this up since we already had a Gunsmith flip.
So...the kill flavors are important. Why did you try to act like they weren't.
Let's see
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Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with a Katana" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with biological warfare" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with explosives" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed by biological warfare and explosives" if he investigated them?
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In post 2069, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 2068, PeregrineV wrote:@Mod-
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with a Katana" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with biological warfare" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with explosives" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed by biological warfare and explosives" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "shot" if he investigated them?The answer to first 4 questions are : no, not by defualt
the answer to fifth question is yes.
Jet Black could detect whoever has a gun.
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Leading to speculation like poison doc.In post 2071, Cerberus v666 wrote:I already asked those questions in my first post today. What exactly is your point?
Kill flavors allow town to identify what faction performed what kills, and greatly enhances any sort of vca or nka they may do.
And yes, could "break" the game if said methods are effective.
And meaning roles like Gunsmith are only going to be half as effective this game. Similar to a Red Mafia Cop or Blue Mafia cop that can only detect a single faction.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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I would like to request the vig kill DiamondSentinel tonight. They may use a bullet, katana, explosives and/or biologicals, or merely strangle him, if desired.In post 2072, DiamondSentinel wrote:
I would request that the vigilante kill PV tonight. (or today, if it's a dayvig). He has been continually trying to lead the town astray with this whole kill flavor thing, despite the mod's perpetual clarification that pointed specifically to support our interpretation...In post 2066, PeregrineV wrote:
Jason would give each person with a killing ability different flavor, so you could know if the same person did the kill.In post 2057, PJ. wrote:Well yeah, flavor, let's break the game with it, because it's important. Or the kills wouldn't be seperated like that.
But, despite any wording, they were all standard kills blocked by bulletproof or detectable by Gunsmith.
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Each of us got to learn to crawl on our own, don't we?In post 2082, Cerberus v666 wrote:How is poison doc speculation when it was outright claimed by someone on D1?
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It depends on how you define lurk. I avoid useless and unnecessary posting. Mostly.In post 2126, DiamondSentinel wrote:Oh, to any lurkers, if you have less content than PV, I humbly suggest that you slap yourself, then get on your keyboard, and actually make content. Because that is unacceptable. (sorry PV, but you know it's true. You do have a tendency to compulsively lurk)I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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That would be the point where The Maker wagon overcame your own. Therefore, Maker was a counterwagon to you.
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What is MGSV?In post 2356, DiamondSentinel wrote:(especially when you have an unkillable lurker, cough PV cough MGSV cough)I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Just looked that one over. I think my goal was to strategically lurk to draw scumreads on my and push for my (ineffectual) lynch.In post 2373, DiamondSentinel wrote:I wouldn't be opposed to a KTS lynch. You help me get more people, and I'll gladly join that wagon.
PEdit: Metal Gear Solid V Mafia. You, me, T-Bone, and somebody else were all the scum team and we literally led lynches on you 3 days in order to give us the win, since you were unkillable.
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Why is everybody scum reading you?In post 2413, Killthestory wrote:
haha funn y cvomeback!! xdddIn post 2398, DiamondSentinel wrote:
You first.In post 2389, Killthestory wrote:god it's so unfun to have to come back to people like you
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I'm looking for some sort of self- reflection or shits given from KTS, to gauge if he is scum or shitty town.In post 2420, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Because he's made negative content or contributions to the game, he's told active players to "shut up" and that he'll ignore them, etc. The usual scummy behavior.In post 2419, PeregrineV wrote:
Why is everybody scum reading you?In post 2413, Killthestory wrote:
haha funn y cvomeback!! xdddIn post 2398, DiamondSentinel wrote:
You first.In post 2389, Killthestory wrote:god it's so unfun to have to come back to people like you
didn't i already tell you to shut up numerous times?I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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I resent this, I'm a damn good mod. If you have a complaint about any of my games, the time to bring them up was right after they finished.In post 2424, DiamondSentinel wrote:PV should never be a mod, but he should always be on a list for a vigilante shot. If you go with the "he's lurking like usual so just keep him at null until endgame", then you'll end up with a repeat of Metal Gear Solid 5, which I've mentioned numerous times.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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I think I was PGO'd once. I think I night actioned after not reading the day1 thread too closely, and BLAMMO! ended up dead.In post 2431, mhsmith0 wrote:Or you can get PV to get PGO'd while vigging you this time lolI will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Pretty sure it was more than 2, but we'll see.In post 2432, Killthestory wrote:
ironicIn post 2421, PeregrineV wrote:
I'm looking for some sort of self- reflection or shits given from KTS, to gauge if he is scum or shitty town.In post 2420, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Because he's made negative content or contributions to the game, he's told active players to "shut up" and that he'll ignore them, etc. The usual scummy behavior.In post 2419, PeregrineV wrote:
Why is everybody scum reading you?In post 2413, Killthestory wrote:
haha funn y cvomeback!! xdddIn post 2398, DiamondSentinel wrote:
You first.In post 2389, Killthestory wrote:god it's so unfun to have to come back to people like you
didn't i already tell you to shut up numerous times?
and no there's like two~ people scumreading me that's not 'everyone.'
and diamond's whole 'lol he's telling active players' shut up you're such a lier no one cares. PV if you read the game no one is listening to diamond because everything he says is egotistical and stupid. he's the only one i've told to shut up. tyI will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Kraska killed the Gunsmith!!In post 2454, The Ascended Masters wrote:Umm, I'm very sorry for not being able to play until now so can I get some cliffnotes on what has happened so far? I'm not reading 99 pages, but I'll do some ISO-s. Hopefully, I'll have cliffnotes from my partner too, but it would be interesting to compare those with what other players provide.
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In post 2690, SirCakez wrote:This is pretty obviously DGB's scum game, I didn't realize it until her posts on this page
One man's art is another's pile of shit.In post 2728, PJ. wrote:I'm happy dgb is here towning it up.
I can't imagine seeing anything special to convince that the roles comment didn't come from scum so I'm sticking with SD slot probably
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Except aside from more POSTS than me, pisskop probably has more CONTENT than me at this point.In post 2782, DiamondSentinel wrote:
The trolls make no sense whatsoever. Regardless of me, it's impossible for someone who barely posted to be trolling (space dandy).In post 2584, pisskop wrote:trolls
-DS
-Dandy
Lurkers
-ABR (but damn his content is good when he is here)
-Klingon Stage 5
-RK to an extent
-Daveso
-Math
-KTS qualifies as a fringe case
Scummy apathetics
-Skrublord
-Kraska
-TAM to a point
-shit - whoever else is in the game I cant remember 30 names Im not amonkey
Your lurkers are DEFINITELY not the worst lurkers. Like, you didn't even try.
A PL shouldn't be dependent on scumminess. Or, more accurately, if a person is scummy, then they aren't a PL. They are just a lynch.
Each of your categories is complete bullshit and I recommend you get vigged after PV.
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Probably just a little salty thatIn post 2794, kraska77 wrote:noone asked me shit. all i got was math saying im scum like a broken record
u can stop inventing shit now
pedit: @pisskop
1. You killed a town PR.
2. Having done so, you will not kill any scum.
3. Being almost certainly town due to your role, you're not providing more for us to sound board off of.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Welcome to Mafia, where I can talk unsubstantiated shit for days, change my mind, and laugh while you whine about it.In post 3038, Killthestory wrote:
maybe you should read instead of talking out of your ass. dont try to defend it, either. ive counted two people whov scumread me this game and have pushed me. if someone else is scumreading me, they sure as hell havent pushed it whatsoever.In post 3020, PeregrineV wrote:
Pretty sure it was more than 2, but we'll see.In post 2432, Killthestory wrote:
ironicIn post 2421, PeregrineV wrote:
I'm looking for some sort of self- reflection or shits given from KTS, to gauge if he is scum or shitty town.In post 2420, DiamondSentinel wrote:
Because he's made negative content or contributions to the game, he's told active players to "shut up" and that he'll ignore them, etc. The usual scummy behavior.In post 2419, PeregrineV wrote:
Why is everybody scum reading you?In post 2413, Killthestory wrote:
haha funn y cvomeback!! xdddIn post 2398, DiamondSentinel wrote:
You first.In post 2389, Killthestory wrote:god it's so unfun to have to come back to people like you
didn't i already tell you to shut up numerous times?
and no there's like two~ people scumreading me that's not 'everyone.'
and diamond's whole 'lol he's telling active players' shut up you're such a lier no one cares. PV if you read the game no one is listening to diamond because everything he says is egotistical and stupid. he's the only one i've told to shut up. ty
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Why do you doubt it?In post 3041, MathBlade wrote:
This assumes Kraska is telling the truth. Scum have this great PR called lying. They use it every game.In post 3026, PeregrineV wrote:
Probably just a little salty thatIn post 2794, kraska77 wrote:noone asked me shit. all i got was math saying im scum like a broken record
u can stop inventing shit now
pedit: @pisskop
1. You killed a town PR.
2. Having done so, you will not kill any scum.
3. Being almost certainly town due to your role, you're not providing more for us to sound board off of.
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If you were the mod of a game with 2 scum teams, which one do you give the PGO to? And what do you give to the other team to Balance the 2 extra possible kills you are giving one side?In post 3043, DiamondSentinel wrote:
There's also this neat theory (I call it "DS's Theory on Lying") that states that "When given the opportunity, scum will lie as little as possible, as each lie is a liability and a point of weakness."In post 3041, MathBlade wrote:
This assumes Kraska is telling the truth. Scum have this great PR called lying. They use it every game.In post 3026, PeregrineV wrote:
Probably just a little salty thatIn post 2794, kraska77 wrote:noone asked me shit. all i got was math saying im scum like a broken record
u can stop inventing shit now
pedit: @pisskop
1. You killed a town PR.
2. Having done so, you will not kill any scum.
3. Being almost certainly town due to your role, you're not providing more for us to sound board off of.
I ReALLY DOUBT KRASKA is a PGO
So, regardless of whether or not Kraska is scum, I wouldn't necessarily doubt that she is a PGO. She could be a scum PGO.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Then I guess I can say that I do not believe there is a scum PGO role in this game. I'll leave the onus on you to convinev me otherwise.In post 3050, DiamondSentinel wrote:
An interesting assumption. I wouldn't have expected someone who hasn't read much to make such an assumption, but it's also what I've assumed from the start.In post 3046, PeregrineV wrote:
If you were the mod of a game with 2 scum teams, which one do you give the PGO to? And what do you give to the other team to Balance the 2 extra possible kills you are giving one side?In post 3043, DiamondSentinel wrote:
There's also this neat theory (I call it "DS's Theory on Lying") that states that "When given the opportunity, scum will lie as little as possible, as each lie is a liability and a point of weakness."In post 3041, MathBlade wrote:
This assumes Kraska is telling the truth. Scum have this great PR called lying. They use it every game.In post 3026, PeregrineV wrote:
Probably just a little salty thatIn post 2794, kraska77 wrote:noone asked me shit. all i got was math saying im scum like a broken record
u can stop inventing shit now
pedit: @pisskop
1. You killed a town PR.
2. Having done so, you will not kill any scum.
3. Being almost certainly town due to your role, you're not providing more for us to sound board off of.
I ReALLY DOUBT KRASKA is a PGO
So, regardless of whether or not Kraska is scum, I wouldn't necessarily doubt that she is a PGO. She could be a scum PGO.
Anyways, I doubt there would be any distinction between the two, besides flavor. One, undoubtably, is "headed" by Vicious. I don't think that he would have the PGO, but admittedly I'm only 12 episodes in right now (watching it as I type this. I like the Space/Spaghetti Western vibes, and while I think the Crime Noire intro sequence doesn't exactly fit well, I do like it. A good shot).
I have no guesses whatsoever for the other scum team. I'm thinking that, perhaps one has Faye as a traitor in the Bebop group, as she's the closest to a villain there, but she is, more or less, a protagonist. So, flavorwise, I assume that, if there is a traitor (not strictly that role. Just a scum in Bebop), it will have a fakeclaim that leads to being in Bebop. Another thing that dashes on Faye as the "traitor" is that she doesn't really have anyone besides those Casino jerks who would be connected.
Of course, this is all flavor guesswork. I'm mostly just shooting out headcannons.
Back to the PGO. More than likely, if there are 2 scum teams, one will have a strongman, and the other might have the PGO. Both could have a strongman, (that happened in Dramonic's Soccer Spirits), but that ended up terribly, as one scum team's other abilities made it significantly more OP than the other (one team had a redirector and a full-rolecard cop, so that was so sickeningly stupid)
Also, from Frozen's modding history, I expect that she gave some less OP abilities than most other mods do (like you, Varsoon, which I do like, btw). This game is, more than likely, not rocket tag, but instead a 360 no-scope battle with snipers that take 4 shots to the body but one to the head to kill. That is to say, I would assume that, given the right strategy and situation, any role (or more likely a combination of roles) can produce some OP results, but it's incredibly unlikely to happen.
As for any other powers scum could have to balance the potential PGO, I have no idea. This is a theme game, so anything goes. I certainly like making very non-normal roles.
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I'll have to go look at them. Day2 so far has me unimpressed, but I'll iso later.In post 3275, Nero Cain wrote:Rach could very well be scum but we are voting TAM, what do you think about that?I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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In post 3422, davesaz wrote:VOTE: TAM
Didn't think this was viable before but I took a lot of their D1 content as LAMIST without actually doing anything. They're still not doing anything.
This caused me to actually go *read* the TAM iso.In post 3423, SpyreX wrote:I've decided lamist means look at me I'm sayin stuff
It's pretty much the lamest.
Much like a tam lynch
It makes me tend to agree with Dave. There is one post with a group of wagons he disliked, and promises of isoing, but aside from telling us he is being read improperly, not a lot in the "looking for scum" dept.
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I'll save you some typing- I'm here.In post 3873, Frozen Angel wrote:The Prod function is resumed.
PeregrineV is prodded. He has 24 hours (till (expired on 2016-11-01 20:00:00)) to respond before I start searching for a replacement.
Please announce V/LA if you can't post each 48 hours or tell me if you have a weekly schedule for playing(for example if you can't play during weekends) and use the V/LA flag in User Control Panel. Thanks!
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I think kraska is town, because scum PGO is hard to balance.In post 3876, RachMarie wrote:While you are here Pere, can you give some other reads? Before you disappear into lurker land again.
I like Nero for town, but multi-ball means most scum will look town since they should be scumhunting the other team. So who really knows.
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Yeah!In post 4087, MathBlade wrote:Let's try asking this
@Mod would a PGO regardless of kill style have a gun?
Would all Mafia have a gun regardless of kill style?
In other words is Gunsmith wiki accurate and if not please explain what a gunsmith does
In post 2070, PeregrineV wrote:In post 2069, Frozen Angel wrote:In post 2068, PeregrineV wrote:@Mod-
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with a Katana" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with biological warfare" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed with explosives" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "killed by biological warfare and explosives" if he investigated them?
Would Jet Black be able to detect a gun on the player with the killing ability "shot" if he investigated them?The answer to first 4 questions are : no, not by defualt
the answer to fifth question is yes.
Jet Black could detect whoever has a gun.
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Curiously strong wording.
Spoiler: The sum of Nos posting prior to Cakez first Nos townread
First mention of Nos in Cake Iso (not a preferred vig target): 2451
Why? 2464
Spoiler: More Nos posting
Meta defense of Nos 3724 without any direct interaction by either with the other.
More shaming of Nos wagon.
I like my Nos vote even better now. If'n he flips scum, SirCake is buddy with him.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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In post 4324, Vaxkiller wrote:
I haven't seen Nero do anything either way. Why is he town to you?In post 4323, PeregrineV wrote:I like Nero for town,
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I'm highly suspicious of anyone defending a nullread on day2 with 150 pages already under the belt.In post 4327, RachMarie wrote:@ Pere
So you along with a couple others think this is most likely two mafia teams? There were 3 kills with some people thinking it is 4 because the Vifam kill was a double whammy weird one.
Yeah I am kinda leaning that way on Kraska too, not sure why some are still pushing that wagon. I have seen games with a one shot PGO, so it is not as crazy a claim as some think it is. I would expect with a 32 player base game, and a theme game, that there be some weird mechanics going on. I have not completely ruled out role madness either. There were two VTs so far, but with such a large player base, more than one VT would make sense for role madness. We had more than one for sure in Wakes game.
Any other reads, or bits of wisdom, while you are here?
Panzer in conditional town.
msmith0 in conditional town.
Some are pushing kraska wagon because tunneling is easier than scumhunting.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Silly me. I thought the mod had ruled that 100 pages ago.In post 4330, MathBlade wrote:PeregrineV please for the love of God mod has ruled move on from gunsmith.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Too much chaff at this point. And defense of a null wagon. And I use null for the benefit of others, since I isoed Nos before my vote.In post 4337, RachMarie wrote:This is why you should post more Pere, you have a way of cutting the wheat from the chaff, plus it helps me to sort you out better when I have more of you.
Ok Pere goes in my town pile.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Those fantasies pretty much never go away.In post 4345, pisskop wrote:But enough about it. Im more or less over it.
Maybe. Im having fantasies about kicking the guys head in instead of running once I busted out of the way but ....I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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Walk me through that logic.In post 4498, Mirhawk wrote: We'd be better off lynching masters and shooting nos.I will haveLimited Accesson weekends.-
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