Undertale Mafia: Friends & Corpses [GAME OVER]
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You mean I could have had it for free? D:In post 40, Creature wrote:
I never donated to get Jack of All Trades.In post 38, SlySly wrote:
I'm pretty sure titles are received by making a donation to the Title Fairy Foundation.In post 34, House wrote:I'm pretty sure titles are changed according to post count unless custom titled by the mods.-
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Who do you think is scummy? Why?In post 42, Creature wrote:
Because I was voting you before.In post 39, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:Creature, if you like my posts, why is your vote on me?
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Right now my scum reads include SlySly so I'm asking him questions, i.e. scumhunting.In post 66, Not Chara wrote:weird question there, zakk. we've barely started and creature has done more hunting than you. what are you scumreads?
pedit: exactly.
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Am I scum? Why?In post 80, SlySly wrote:LOL, I get blamed for someone else suggesting they have inside knowledge prior to Day 1 starting and for calling out the "neighbor" they brought up. You guys are either scum or my gf.-
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Who made it sound like we seriously were? And if nobody, why did you even say this?In post 76, Creature wrote:Okay, we're not flavor claiming.-
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Typo. Replace [Creature and SlySly] and [them] in where applicable.In post 90, Not Chara wrote:
you asked Creature, not Sly.In post 82, zakk wrote:
Right now my scum reads include SlySly so I'm asking him questions, i.e. scumhunting.In post 66, Not Chara wrote:weird question there, zakk. we've barely started and creature has done more hunting than you. what are you scumreads?
pedit: exactly.
Why are you chainsawing?
Cakez: thanks.
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If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).-
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Cool story bro. Are you voting SlySly? If not, why not?In post 99, House wrote:
I might spray battery acid in my eyes after reading your posts (or not).In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).-
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I'm gonna lynch scum and eat corn flakes. You?In post 103, House wrote:
Hi, I'm House.In post 98, zakk wrote:
If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).
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DAMMIT ITS PAGE FIVE CAN WE NOT ALREADY?? THANK YOUIn post 105, SirCakez wrote:zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet
You're probs town tho for that post so again thank you.-
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Who said you were defending your scumbuddy?In post 107, Not Chara wrote:zakk: why am i defending my scumbuddy, Creature, by pushing you?
a difficult question to answer when i'm not his scumbuddy and never pushed you.
the timing of your question was certainly strange. i wanted to know what was up.
My timing was based on my entrance to the thread.
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OK House here's me acquitting myself:
I didn't even know who was wagoning SlySly when I voted him. I didn't check. I didn't care. I just started pushing his wagon because he was scummy, and I encouraged others to vote for him, including you. Does that sound like a scum move to you?
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Cool story bro! Second cool story so far! You're a natural.In post 208, House wrote:
You should be, because you know I don't let go of a scumread until it swings.In post 199, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I can't tonal-read myself but I can assure you that I'm not at all scared of House. I actually like him a lot.
Can you also please tell the class a story about how you said I could acquit myself, but you're using unilateral, threatening language against somebody else who has done something arguably less than I have?
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Peptobislawl is also scum, for the record.In post 209, Peptobislawl wrote:
Giga replied, I didn't think more input was needed. It's a shaky defense from giga, to be sure, though as I explained before sly's bad push makes me think he's town or at least not scum with sly. A town sly would invalidate that.In post 197, Blade Dancer wrote:
Why do you keep missing my posts Pepto?In post 183, Blade Dancer wrote:
95In post 179, Peptobislawl wrote:
But why is giga scum? Just saying giga is scum doesn't make me believe it, you need reasons. Hence, noIn post 142, Blade Dancer wrote: Sly is town because Giga is scum.realargument
Why is Giga town?
@House, investigating my gut.
same as above, plus there isn't yet evidence to suggest an anti-town 3rd party/multiball.Not Chara wrote:
why can't they both be scum to you?In post 195, Peptobislawl wrote:
Make that 3 of us, you took the "joke" to far. probably would have suspected you if not for sly, still might if he flips town.In post 189, Not Chara wrote: gigabyte: i also didn't get that your call for a PL was a joke.
Three cheers and extra brownie points to anyone who can tell me why this post in particular is a scummy post.
Will also vote Pepto, but I wanna hear back from SlySly.-
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Yeah see that would be ~great~ except it's totally wrong.In post 286, House wrote:
EBWOPIn post 285, House wrote:
The point about you not knowing who started the wagon you yourself are pushing is indicative that you are not actually following the game and your indifference to the makeup and history of the wagon on your top suspect suggests you aren't really serious about that suspicion and are looking for an easy target to look town with.In post 280, zakk wrote:OK House here's me acquitting myself:
I didn't even know who was wagoning SlySly when I voted him. I didn't check. I didn't care. I just started pushing his wagon because he was scummy, and I encouraged others to vote for him, including you. Does that sound like a scum move to you?
If so, please explain how.
Are you the type of guy who talks real big and spins his wheels a lot or are you the type who actually does worthwhile things and pushes scum lynches? Lightweight dying to find out. It's kinda looking like you're the first but I'm reaaaally hoping you're the second. Even if you're the first we can still be friends if you're down.-
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Hahahaha so everything I do is scummy regardless of whether it looks scummy or townie? NotedIn post 317, SirCakez wrote:
YesIn post 280, zakk wrote:OK House here's me acquitting myself:
I didn't even know who was wagoning SlySly when I voted him. I didn't check. I didn't care. I just started pushing his wagon because he was scummy, and I encouraged others to vote for him, including you. Does that sound like a scum move to you?
If so, please explain how.
It's something you'd fake as scum to look town
I will say this for you, if you *always* call me scum, eventually you will be right. And there will be no living with you after that, lmao-
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Scum, by far! It's more exciting. More of an art and less of a science, jah feel?In post 329, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Then explain why I should join it.In post 328, House wrote:Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.
Zakk, what do you enjoy playing more, town or scum?
I have to like, excite myself to play as town, and dig in right away, or else I fall behind and lose interest.-
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what does this mean? people you like more voted me? or the way in which it happened was better? or you like the reasons more? or something else?In post 328, House wrote:Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.-
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Hahahahahha poor widdo House not getting what he wants and stamping his feet like a two year oldIn post 347, House wrote:
Fucking lol. This is bullshit.In post 344, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Then it's decided: I'm not on board with the Zakk train.In post 340, Accountant wrote:
To be fair House I do that all the time.In post 114, House wrote:ZAKK DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I WAS THE ONE THAT STARTED THE SLY WAGON THAT HE'S PUSHING.
HOW IS THAT TOWN?
VOTE: SlySly
Seems to fillering.
When zakk flips red I'm coming for you next.
You're really lucky I think you're town lol-
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I'm a huge pain to lynch anyway and for a very good reasonIn post 536, SirCakez wrote:I would also vote gamma but zakk is still scum and zakk!scum is a huge pain in the ass to lynch, so want that out of the way first
Also, please talk about me like I'm a person instead of a thing
I like to think I taught you a thing or two about playing a tight scum game so don't treat me like I'm just an obstacle please-
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Ok I can dig. Who were the shady votes?In post 538, House wrote:
It's not a popularity contest.In post 535, zakk wrote:
what does this mean? people you like more voted me? or the way in which it happened was better? or you like the reasons more? or something else?In post 328, House wrote:Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.
You had a wagon of townreads, while Sly had some shady votes thrown on him.-
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No LOL, just baiting HouseIn post 374, Accountant wrote:
Are you having a strokeIn post 284, zakk wrote:
Cool story bro! Second cool story so far! You're a natural.In post 208, House wrote:
You should be, because you know I don't let go of a scumread until it swings.In post 199, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I can't tonal-read myself but I can assure you that I'm not at all scared of House. I actually like him a lot.
Can you also please tell the class a story about how you said I could acquit myself, but you're using unilateral, threatening language against somebody else who has done something arguably less than I have?
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It's either not a bluff or not not a bluff. I'm leaning more one than the other.In post 387, Accountant wrote:
I actually think zakk's surprise is a bluff.In post 386, House wrote:
Do we really want scum on the wagon when we don't know what zakk has planned?In post 383, Accountant wrote:
Please vote him, then.In post 378, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow zakk looks worse and worse with each post Accountant quotes.
I'm glad it was you that brought up that possibility though.
It's something I would expect from town you.-
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It's a fad that will die sooner or later. Or maybe the people on it are stubborn enough that it won't. Who knows.In post 545, Ankamius wrote:I just finished reading page 6, and this zakk wagon is very unimpressive so far.
If I die though, it will make one alignment VERY happy. I'll let you figure out which one that is.-
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I didn't do anything exceptionally scummy.In post 544, Not Chara wrote:In post 169, Not Chara wrote:
tell me what you did that was exceptionally scummy on purpose, with your goal being to acquire votes, and i'll believe that you had a plan.In post 166, zakk wrote:Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully
There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please
Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise
I just did something exceptionally noticeable. Which was, making a lot of posts in a short period of time, throwing around my weight, rubbing people the wrong way, and in general, making statements which made as many people uncomfortable as possible in as short a time as possible, so people would have to react more than they wanted, and choose a side on an issue (my wagon, or someone else's, didn't matter) before they wanted to have to take sides on something.
To be honest it's working even better than I planned, with people straight out calling for my death, like Accountant.
I will say this: my wagon has definitely helped a lot of people generate a lot of reads. And for those of you that it hasn't helped, please try re-reading.-
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I also want to address this post.
I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.In post 105, SirCakez wrote:zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.
Compare:
Kuribo in Wonderland:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Street Fighter Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Mass Effect Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Magical Girls Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.
Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scumtogether, here:
Killer Instinct Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274
So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.
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Ah, sorry, I forgot to mention, he also modded this game, where I more or less manipulated the crap out of people, wiped the floor with the town, and was the last man standing.In post 565, zakk wrote:I also want to address this post.
I have played at least five or six games with SirCakez in the last year or so.In post 105, SirCakez wrote:zakk is great at faking scumhunting as scum
I wouldn't townread him for that yet
In every game where he is scum, he drums up the fact that I'm really good at scum, and that people shouldn't trust me.
Compare:
Kuribo in Wonderland:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Street Fighter Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Mass Effect Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Magical Girls Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... hilit=zakk
Look at the way he constantly doubtcasts me, but ESPECIALLY as scum.
Note that I am town in all of these scenarios.
The only time I've been scum around SirCakez is when we were scumtogether, here:
Killer Instinct Mafia:http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66274
So throw that in the pot along with all the votes which have been influenced by SirCakez.
That's all.
New York 175: Adventure Mafiahttp://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=66557
So yes, he has really good reason NOT to trust me, but it's just a little old because he pushes me as scum EVERY game, yet every game he's seen where I AM scum, I don't actually draw this kind of attention to myself and make things happen like they are in this game. I'm content to play the long game. It's just easier to win as scum that way lol.
Either you think I'm purposefully manipulating my scum meta to be able to make this one point, one time, in one game, against ONE person, or, you accept that I'm the kind of player that has worked out a strategy that's good for town, and a strategy that's good for scum, and I pretty much stick to it, since it's been yielding win after win after win.
Thinking I'm scum here is just ... dumb, for anyone who has played with me before. It's like REALLY dumb.
But let's see how this plays out. No sense pretending like something that may never happen has already happened. If you think I'm scum, or want to see what will happen at L-2, vote me. If you think I'm town, push another wagon.
And I don't see anyone else pushing any other wagons real hard ... which... *HINT HINT*... my scumbuddies or myself would be doing, if I were scum-
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Next let's look at this one.
In post 103, House wrote:
Hi, I'm House.In post 98, zakk wrote:
If you don't want to be lynched after him, you'll join.In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).
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What are you going to do about it?
So House didn't like that I threatened Creature with being lynched, and then he made a "show of power" or whatever by being like "what are you gonna do about it?"In post 108, House wrote:
I'm the one that started the wagon, remember?In post 104, zakk wrote:
Cool story bro. Are you voting SlySly? If not, why not?In post 99, House wrote:
I might spray battery acid in my eyes after reading your posts (or not).In post 96, Creature wrote:I might eventually join on SlySly (or not).
VOTE: zakk
Not even tracking the wagon he's pushing.
And then when (since I don't particularly scum read house) I said I was going to lynch scum and eat corn flakes -- a veiled reference to this old (and bad) attempt at advertising in movies:
And then I started poking him and poking him and poking him, to see if he WAS scum, because why would he abandon the SlySly wagon to vote me, just because I wasn't keeping track of who all was voting who, on page what, 7 or something at the time? It all made no sense, and I needed more info. He still seems town to me though, but I was doing it for two reasons, to find out his alignment, and also to get him to OMGUS vote me and help out in pushing MY wagon. Because, if I couldn't push a bogus-ish SlySly wagon to use it to get votes (something I do all the time, just to see who will jump on, and when, and why?), then using my wagon for the same purposes is more than good enough, plus if it ends up going through, I don't accidentally lynch someone who's not to blame for playing risky, whereas if I die, I have nobody to blame but myself.
So unless anyone is gonna argue that these three posts in particular DON'T look like I'm intentionally using inflammatory language like 'thanks in advance champ' and 'that'd be great, except it's totally wrong' etc., then you should probably just concede my point that I'm doing it on purpose to rile him up.
Which I am. And he's pushing my wagon. And things are working beautifully.
This is what you call "using the tools you have been given to accomplish your own ends".
Not that you're a tool or anything, House.
Anywayyyy,
Me being "suspected" and "wagonable" and "perhaps even lynchable" has the noticeable side-effect of me being left alive longer than usual by scum, which is always a nice thing-
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Haha thanks. I figure I should begin dialing back on the assholery before I *actually* get myself lynched. Because that would help literally no one.In post 570, SlySly wrote:zakk's last 2 are pretty impressive.-
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EBWOP:Fixing context lost by pagetop, and a mistake as well.
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Haha thanks. I figure I should begin dialing back on the assholery before I *actually* get myself lynched. Because that would help literally no one.In post 570, SlySly wrote:zakk's last 2 are pretty impressive.
Also, this wasn't at SlySly, I was just looking at the post above 574 and fumbled mentally lolzakk wrote:Well you know, except scum.
This was to Ankamius, about this avatar:In post 574, zakk wrote:Btw what's in your avatar? that's pretty cool.
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I'm ignoring you for thatIn post 576, Blade Dancer wrote:Zakky poo, can you do a reads list?-
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LOL no shit sherlockIn post 455, Accountant wrote:I'm beginning to think SirCakez is full of shit and is just making vaguely plausible stuff up.-
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It's just a general feeling for me. I think maybe one or two posts stuck out, but I can't really be assed to do the work for you. Just re-read him again, it's kinda obvious.In post 463, Not Chara wrote:
i can agree with a Sly townread, what i want to know is how those reads posts are what Cakez is pointing to for that read.In post 457, House wrote:
The reason for the read is meh, but that doesn't make it untrue.In post 456, Not Chara wrote:
besides the Sly read, what else are you talking about?In post 455, Accountant wrote:I'm beginning to think SirCakez is full of shit and is just making vaguely plausible stuff up.-
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I just presented my thought process on my SlySly read. Feel free to nitpick it, sugar.In post 464, House wrote:See Cakez?
This is why you don't present your thought processes on reads.
Everybody loves to nitpick.-
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Wait what.In post 582, Blade Dancer wrote:
Why you gotta be mean? You're the most adorable masculine man but for my husband.In post 578, zakk wrote:
I'm ignoring you for thatIn post 576, Blade Dancer wrote:Zakky poo, can you do a reads list?
I want to see you solving the game so I can justify being insistent on my biggest scumread but if you gotta go me like that well...-
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whoa sick. was not expecting this. :0In post 584, Ankamius wrote:
I'll take any excuse to tell this story againIn post 577, zakk wrote:
This was to Ankamius, about this avatar:In post 574, zakk wrote:Btw what's in your avatar? that's pretty cool.
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this feels townIn post 466, House wrote:Do not neighborize Giga.-
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this is a scum post
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well done Cakez. not that they are my scum buddies, but that they are perhaps scum.In post 487, SirCakez wrote:I did call you bussing scum in the same post I called Accountant bussing scum
rektIn post 442, SirCakez wrote:In post 349, Accountant wrote:
VOTE: zakkIn post 166, zakk wrote:Muahaha excellent my plan worked wonderfully
There aren't enough votes on me yet tho... More please
Get me to at least L-2, I have a super great surprise
Yeah these two are prob bussing scumIn post 388, Gamma Emerald wrote:
He's just posting random bullshit.In post 384, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:
??In post 380, Gamma Emerald wrote:SlySly seems to be derailing.
I can see him being Town though. If he is town, I politely request he get out of jokey RVS mode.
VOTE: zakk
i can def see Gamma being scum.
Accountant I'm not so sure about, but he IS acting quite strangely.
perhaps you're town after all this game.
i have another hunch you're town for this, which i am about to explain.-
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i think there are probably two scum teams
two reasons:
1. my role PM says I win when all NON-TOWN are eliminated. meaning, scum + scum or scum + third party/ies, or scum + scum + 3p, etc.
2. the size of the game is 22 players. most 21p games have 5 scum (source: i play a lot of 21p games and have a shit ton of experience). that basically means
3. TOO MANY PEOPLE are pussy footing around. meaning, they aren't pushing hard enough, and everything seems just kind of "let's see what happens" or "HEY YEAH let's get behind THAT wagon which we can REALLY REALLY not take credit for pushing, if he flips town (i.e. my wagon), and that's highly indicative of players just looking for something easy to do, instead of actually trying to
so my speculation is that each scum team is probably at least 3 players, and 16-3-3 sounds right, especially compared to 16-5. perhaps it's something more like 15-3-3-1(3p) or even (??) 14-3-3-1-1. That last one would be a bit much, but I could see Skullduggery wanting to do a last game with a lot of crazy stuff in it (magnum opus style)
also, keep in mind Varsoon was listed in the OP of this game, meaning there's probably all kinds of weird fuckery going on (and let's not forget the basics, which are: hello. guys. it's a Skull game. it'll be crazy and fun and crazy fun)
official guess:
15 town
3 scum A
3 scum B
1 3rd party
with an outside chance of 14 town with an added 3p role. not really thinking that's likely tho, all things considered.
i mean, or mayyybe it's 16-5-1 or 15-5-1-1 but meh i think those are less likely. i bet there are two scum teams.
whiiiich, brings me back to my post 591 about SirCakez, and he didn't appear to consider the possibility of more than one scum team, which, scum would obviously consider based on the small size of their scum teams.
idk, maybe it's nothing. but it doesn't seem to be nothing. it seems to be something.
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you'll start to get a picture as i start to get a pictureIn post 589, Blade Dancer wrote:
I need to know where you stand. Your defensiveness is getting in the way. Show me where you are man.In post 586, zakk wrote:
Wait what.In post 582, Blade Dancer wrote:
Why you gotta be mean? You're the most adorable masculine man but for my husband.In post 578, zakk wrote:
I'm ignoring you for thatIn post 576, Blade Dancer wrote:Zakky poo, can you do a reads list?
I want to see you solving the game so I can justify being insistent on my biggest scumread but if you gotta go me like that well...
reading my posts is a GREAT place to start-
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In post 493, Gamma Emerald wrote:My vote on zakk was explained by the fact Accountant's catch-up made me see the case better than House.
i'm getting a little crush on sircakez right now tbhIn post 494, SirCakez wrote:I scumread the vote switch timing mainly
there's that bulldog i love (at least when he's not trying to mislynch me, lol)-
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COWARD
OHHHH YOU COWARD-
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please direct me to any questions directed to me which i have not answered or not answered satisfactorilyIn post 529, Not Chara wrote:hm. i don't know if that was zakk. they were at L-3 when it triggered, not L-2.
i don't know how to feel about Cakez. i don't think i can turn off the paranoia here.
Creature: the wagon hasn't stalled, zakk got to L-3 in a day and several players have not even begun engaging the thread. zakk still hasn't answered questions directed at them.
p.s. i explicitly confirm there were no shenanigans triggered by me which affected any of skullduggery's posts-
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wait i thought it was 'don't be too sure he's town'In post 536, SirCakez wrote:I would also vote gamma but zakk is still scum and zakk!scum is a huge pain in the ass to lynch, so want that out of the way first
now it's 'i would vote gamma but zakk is scum'?
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idk you said "i wantIn post 541, SirCakez wrote:I am talking about you like a person, a scummy person who is very hard to lynch
plsthatout of the way" about me
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responding about this post:
by the way, this post earlier, by me, was full of shit, i was just trying to bait House moar.In post 465, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:so i think it's time for me to out this information because it's not as obvious as i thought, but i'm worried it could be anti-town but i'm taking the risk at this point because i can't see myself making it very far in this game
the reason i'm vote parking slysly is because i'm pretty sure i have an idea of some aspects of what his role is (flavor i'm pretty sure, and some general mechanics about it but i don't know his role PM completely) and i can't possibly see it as a town thing.
i'm kind of shocked that no one else has at least hinted that they're seeing what i'm seeing, it's one of those things that i would think is obvious to anyone with flavor knowledge. i thought house was on the right track because he backed up a question i asked that lead me to this conclusion, but i don't think house has flavor knowledge and he's townreading sly so probably not.
i don't want any claims because of this, but i would like someone with a lot of flavor knowledge to re-read the thread and just tell me if they see the same thing that I am. just a yes or no would be fine. if i'm just confbiasing or chasing a smoking gun here,i'll probably move my vote to either zakk (best wagon composition and some associatives with sly)or Gamma (my next best scumread). this is something i'mcapableof explaining but i'm trying to out this information without risking someone having to claim because i'm way off.
i wouldn't mind discussing this in a PT with a townread, however.
it was bullshit, because i DON'T think gigabyteTroubador has done less than me. in fact, i think he is incredibly scummy
also, his note above (bolded) that my wagon has the best composition, is bullshit because here's how the wagons stood at that moment:
which..... is basicallyIn post 462, Skullduggery wrote:Day 1, Vote Count #6
Current Vote Count:
(8)zakk -- House, Blade Dancer, Not Chara, SirCakez, Accountant, Gamma Emerald, Leonshade, Creature
(0)SirCakez
(1)House -- SnarkySnowman
(0)Maxous
(1)Creature -- Nosferatu
(0)PeregrineV
(0)Blade Dancer
(0)Shiro
(0)MagnaofIllusion
(0)Nosferatu
(1)gigabyteTroubadour -- Maxous
(0)Accountant
(0)Not Chara
(0)Ankamius
(3)SlySly -- zakk, gigabyteTroubadour, Peptobislawl
(0)McMenno
(0)SnarkySnowman
(1)Peptobislawl -- McMenno
(0)Gamma Emerald
(0)Leonshade
(1)Andrius -- Ankamius
(0)massive
Not Voting:PeregrineV, Shiro, MagnaofIllusion, SlySly, Andrius, massive
With 22 votes available, it takes 12 votes to hammer.
MagnaofIllusion is V/LA until 10/10.
Gamma Emerald is V/LA until 10/11.
Day 1 Will End on Saturday, October 22nd, at 5 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2016-10-22 17:00:00)ONEwagon (8 person wagon on me), versus one old, irrelevant, stagnant SlySly wagon which I didn't actually believe in voting since it was just a tool to figure out who were scum jumping on bad wagons (didn't work well enough, so I began baiting my own wagon instead since apparently House is better at drawing a crowd, and it's better if we work together instead of compete, let me know if you have questions about how that works, lmao)
AAAAAND
as if that's not enough:
gigabyteTroubadour was just parroting what House said about "wagon composition":In post 328, House wrote:Of the current wagons, the one on zakk has the best composition by far.
sooooo
that'd make it:
people i would line up against a wall and give quick lessons in bullet catching:
- Gamma Emerald
- gigabyteTroubador
- Peptobislawl
there are a number of other lesser suspects and a number of town reads, which i will not go into until these are dead or until i am satisfied that they are not scum-
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some things!
1. i am unbelievably stoked that Skullduggery is alive and just a little wet and tree branchy, and still here to run his last game (it IS your last game, right?)
2. i am pretty stoked as well to be more or less caught up on a game which is 610 posts in a day's time, and to be reasonably strongly scum reading multiple people
3. VOTE: gigabyteTroubador <- this needs dead ACTUALLY. no rush. just stating it openly and plainly, and making sure people notice.
4. bye for now. i'll try to post tomorrow. i have a ton of homework to grade before a deadline though so i may not be around as much as i want.
5. *heavy metal head banging*
6. p-edit 1: Blade Dancer wtf like really wtf
7. p-edit 2: scum replace out under pressure?????? OMGGGGG ahahahaha-
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actually i just read this post.In post 613, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:@Mod, please replace me out
Hey, I'm really sorry to do this but I really don't think this game is for me. Including this one, I'm currently /in for five different games and with the difficulty I'm having in real life I don't think I'm going to be able to keep up with all of them. Since I put the least investment in this one and I wasn't invited here, I'm going to start by dropping out of here. I planned on /outting pre-game but I thought I'd pull it together stick for the flavor. Turns out that was a bad idea, I'm just having a lot of difficulty getting a foothold on this game.
Just to drop off some final thoughts, nothing extraordinarily helpful since i never took notes for this game but:
I have no reason to state most of my townreads, most of my townreads have already found each other and are already working together. I don't get the scumreads of Not Chara though, I think it's pretty obviously town? It should be talked about more tbh. Accountant too because I'm seeing some of that sentiment around him too.
I don't really have any special scumreads to push. A lot of slots haven't posted yet, but I think Gamma is probably going to flip scum. The way he interacted with the Slysly wagon completely sheeping my reasoning and then jumped onto zakk is worth scrutiny.
Pepto feels like lynchbait to me and while he could possibly be scum, he might be better off lynched off of associations. He just feels strange and offbeat to me in a newbish way and I think people are overselling how scummy he actually is.
I still think that Slysly and Ank have scum/town parallel roles with really obvious flavor. If at some point the flavor talks about them absorbing souls or LOVE or stuff like that, one of them is probably flipping scum. I don't know if that fits into Skull's mod meta but I'm having difficulty seeing it any other way. I think NC knows what I'm getting at here so if my slot flips at any point and NC is still alive, I really think this is a necessary point of discussion. Slysly's cageyness about hammering vs. Ank's openness about claiming makes it clear to me which one is the town one, personally.
The way SlySly formulated his zakk "townlean" in thread was pretty awkward too and I think it's an associative tell. worth looking into after some flips.
If Blade Dancer is who I think they are and flips scum, the people they choose to push are like 100% town. I think this is their town game though.
But yeah, I'm really disappointed in myself for replacing out for my first time but I don't see myself being useful in this gamestate's future with the lack of effort I'll likely be putting in later if I were to stay. This was a pretty difficult decision to make, but it's better I do this now before replacements will struggle to catch up.
btw i haven't read the thread since like my last post so maybe the stuff i wrote in here isn't as relevant
i'm sorry to see you go. it's probably for the best.
i like this post a lot. i'm sorry you feel this way.
i especially like this part:
it feels legitI don't really have any special scumreads to push. A lot of slots haven't posted yet, but I think Gamma is probably going to flip scum. The way he interacted with the Slysly wagon completely sheeping my reasoning and then jumped onto zakk is worth scrutiny.
worth changing my vote actually
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can't let this go... lol, oh boyIn post 617, Andrius wrote:So. My problem with zakk and others like him is that they do absolutely terribly under pressure, but we can't just trust them at their word but are wasting resources lynching or killing them. The ZZZX problem in Pathfinder Mafia. Monkeyman did it there too. Zakk, as someone said last page, is slinking by via 'shitposting', or is he just a townie doing everything in their power to survive? We will have to deal with them one way or another. I ended ZZX with knives in Pathfinder, saving us a lynch.
I believe I called the term Paranoid Townie Syndrome.
I will read him in greater detail later but the past few pages do nothing to help him. Certainly flailing. Unsure as to what that means for his alignment. Flailing town? Possibly. Flailing scrum? Possibly. Csnt parse this one out yet and the longer it goes on the more difficult he will make it. Just take a step back and stop continuously posting. We're still missing a good number of players.
Regardless there will likely be some good interactions that come from this.
Also Sly, I think we understand each other on Shiro. My main point was that I couldn't get a read off of one post.
1. i'm not a paranoid towie. i'm not paranoid in the least. if anyone's paranoid, it's Cakez about my slot. and he has damn good reason to be.
2. if you think my posting is flailing, you apparently have no idea what flailing is.
3. if you think this is me doing terribly you haven't seen some of my early games (not on this account)
4. why are you bringing up some random other game? nobody cares about ZZZX in pathfinder mafia and it has nothing to do with me. just looks like you're putting words to put words.
5. if you think my posting is shitposting, you apparently have no idea what shitposting is.
6. i have not yet begun to try to survive, if you think this is me doing everything in my power to survive, you clearly have less experience (or knowledge, or wisdom, or w/e) than your join date implies that you SHOULD have. hell, you sound like an apprentice wizard who thinks they're all powerful.
you're probably just the bread boy, not the actual baker.
and watch you vote me now-
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also, now that i'm reading into you, what the FUCK is up with all your 1. excuses, 2. promises to do more later, and 3. pointing out who else hasn't done enough?
In post 510, Andrius wrote:I will have to reread zakkbefore considering voting that way.
I have a sneaking suspicion about this game.In post 511, Andrius wrote:Need to see more from Shiro.Miller claim this early is insufficient for a solid read.massive hasn't posted yet either.SnarkySnowman made an angry post that made me laugh, but hasn't posted reads/content yet (IIRC).In post 512, Andrius wrote:I know what I can expect from you, soI will be patient, but I would like some reads before I consider throwing swords.In post 521, Andrius wrote:zakk and chara are in their own reads category.
He requires further reading.Don't like how two of my scumreads are on the wagon but w/e.In post 617, Andrius wrote:I will read him in greater detail laterbut the past few pages do nothing to help him.In post 617, Andrius wrote:Csnt parse this one out yetand the longer it goes on the more difficult he will make it. Just take a step back and stop continuously posting.We're still missing a good number of players.
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